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Re: [RSSAC Caucus] Chinese Critical Infrastructure Event
by Shane Kerr July 27, 2020

July 27, 2020

Fred, On 23/07/2020 18.45, Fred Baker wrote: > As requested by Paul Hoffman, I'm sharing the request that ICANN's Asia-Pacific team sent to the RSSAC, and the slides that I plan to share with that event. I recorded a presentation this morning, and ICANN's Asia team will add Mandarin subtitles to help our Chinese colleagues to follow the presentation. For the record, this presentation derives from the RSSAC Tutorial shared at ICANN meetings the past several years, and the discussion of the evolution work presented to the GAC about a year ago. There is nothing confidential about the information we are sharing, nor should any of it be a surprise. There is, however, some sensitivity around authority; I can, of course, speak to the RSSAC and to ISC's issues. Much of my point in this talk is that important parts are managed by the IANA, are enacted by the ICANN Board, or are deferred to the GWG; in a perfect world, these agencies would speak for themselves, but that would be a difficult dance. So I will identify the action and the actor, and that RSSAC is not authoritative (as in, "if you have detailed questions, you should really talk with them"). Thanks for sharing this. While clearing up misconceptions and getting everyone on the same page regarding terminology is helpful, ultimately I don't think it will resolve the fundamental issue of no root server being run by a Chinese organization. I feel that the Chinese government will only be happy after there is a root server operated completely by a Chinese organization (I can be completely wrong about this and am happy to be told otherwise, but years of seeing the same discussion have convinced me that this is the case). This can happen in one of four basic ways: 1. China takes over one or more of the existing root servers. 2. One or more new root servers is added and China runs at least one. 3. A separate set of root servers is created (similar to the Yeti project, but with an ICANN-signed root zone), which China running at least one. 4. China runs its own root servers completely independently of ICANN. Option #1 seems the hardest to execute politically. Option #2 seems the highest risk, give the amount of ossified code out there which assume 13 letters (I have some, definitely). Option #3 is probably the lowest risk, since it would leave the current root server system untouched. (I am biased given my involvement with the Yeti project.) Option #4 is clearly the least desirable for the Internet as a whole. I take the deployment of the New Model as a prerequisite for any real change, and look forward to that progressing. 🙂 Cheers, -- Shane

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Fwd: Chinese Critical Infrastructure Event
by Fred Baker July 24, 2020

July 24, 2020

I have just been informed that the Word document I shared was intended for internal use. Please don't share it outside the Caucus. ICANN is removing my email from the archive. I didn't know there was a concern, but please feel free to blame me if you need someone to be upset with. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Fred Baker <fred(a)isc.org> > Subject: Chinese Critical Infrastructure Event > Date: July 23, 2020 at 9:45:57 AM PDT > To: RSSAC Caucus <rssac-caucus(a)icann.org> > Cc: Rssac-admin-committee <rssac-admin-committee(a)icann.org> > > As requested by Paul Hoffman, I'm sharing the request that ICANN's Asia-Pacific team sent to the RSSAC, and the slides that I plan to share with that event. I recorded a presentation this morning, and ICANN's Asia team will add Mandarin subtitles to help our Chinese colleagues to follow the presentation. For the record, this presentation derives from the RSSAC Tutorial shared at ICANN meetings the past several years, and the discussion of the evolution work presented to the GAC about a year ago. There is nothing confidential about the information we are sharing, nor should any of it be a surprise. There is, however, some sensitivity around authority; I can, of course, speak to the RSSAC and to ISC's issues. Much of my point in this talk is that important parts are managed by the IANA, are enacted by the ICANN Board, or are deferred to the GWG; in a perfect world, these agencies would speak for themselves, but that would be a difficult dance. So I will identify the action and the actor, and that RSSAC is not authoritative (as in, "if you have detailed questions, you should really talk with them").

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Re: [RSSAC Caucus] Chinese Critical Infrastructure Event
by Mallory Knodel July 23, 2020

July 23, 2020

Thanks Fred, Will your talk be shared publicly, eventually? -Mallory On 7/23/20 12:45 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > As requested by Paul Hoffman, I'm sharing the request that ICANN's Asia-Pacific team sent to the RSSAC, and the slides that I plan to share with that event. I recorded a presentation this morning, and ICANN's Asia team will add Mandarin subtitles to help our Chinese colleagues to follow the presentation. For the record, this presentation derives from the RSSAC Tutorial shared at ICANN meetings the past several years, and the discussion of the evolution work presented to the GAC about a year ago. There is nothing confidential about the information we are sharing, nor should any of it be a surprise. There is, however, some sensitivity around authority; I can, of course, speak to the RSSAC and to ISC's issues. Much of my point in this talk is that important parts are managed by the IANA, are enacted by the ICANN Board, or are deferred to the GWG; in a perfect world, these agencies would speak for themselves, but that would be a difficult dance. So I will identify the action and the actor, and that RSSAC is not authoritative (as in, "if you have detailed questions, you should really talk with them"). > > _______________________________________________ > rssac-caucus mailing list > rssac-caucus(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rssac-caucus > > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos) You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- Mallory Knodel CTO, Center for Democracy and Technology gpg fingerprint :: E3EB 63E0 65A3 B240 BCD9 B071 0C32 A271 BD3C C780

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Nomination Opens for Dr. Tarek Kamel Award for Capacity Building
by Ozan Sahin July 23, 2020

July 23, 2020

Dear RSSAC Caucus members, Please not that ICANN org. started the nomination period for a new community recognition program, namely, Dr. Tarek Kamel Award for Capacity Building. The annual award recognizes ICANN community members for significant efforts in developing capacity in areas related to ICANN’s mission. You may find further details on this award here<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2020-07-20-en> and submit nominations here<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfPHSlRlSPCfCO5sPZTTXRMTLRyb2j_FS9…> by 21 August 2020. Best, Ozan Sahin Policy Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +90 212 999 6218 Mobile: +90 533 641 0007 Skype: ozan.sahin.icann www.icann.org<applewebdata://021EB1F1-F6B6-443A-908F-419605BF3A61/www.icann.org>

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Apology
by Fred Baker July 22, 2020

July 22, 2020

In yesterday's Caucus call, I arrived late. I don't advance an excuse, but I will tell you why it happened. I was on the RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP call during the hour before the Caucus call, and fell asleep sitting at my computer. The Caucus call immediately followed, so the next thing I knew Jeff Osborne was calling my phone to figure out where I was. I was late, and I apologize. I have also been informed that my explanation of the China CIR presentation may have been offensive to Chinese people on the call. Let me hasten to say that I was trying to inform, not to criticize or offend.

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RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Teleconference #5 | Tuesday, 25 August | 13:00-14:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin July 22, 2020

July 22, 2020

Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Call #5 Time: Aug 25, 2020 01:00 PM Universal Time UTC Agenda: TBD Work Party Wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/IonsBw Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/92461183591?pwd=SXI1ZTYyUmNjUlBtOElUQk10WTN5dz09 Meeting ID: 924 6118 3591 Passcode: y%pv7r.AUJ One tap mobile +16699006833,,92461183591#,,,,,,0#,,8118604894# US (San Jose) +13462487799,,92461183591#,,,,,,0#,,8118604894# US (Houston) Dial by your location +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 731 853 730 Australia +61 861 193 900 Australia 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 524 564 439 Japan +81 3 4578 1488 Japan +81 363 628 317 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 924 6118 3591 Passcode (for dial-ins only): 8118604894 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adJanSj2Ji

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RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Teleconference #5 | Monday, 24 August | 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin July 22, 2020

July 22, 2020

Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Call #5 Time: Aug 24, 2020 03:00 PM Universal Time UTC Agenda: TBD Work party wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/gInsBw Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/91341590705?pwd=c0hjS2hpOFVJOXU3K3RKckNKWDE0UT09 Meeting ID: 913 4159 0705 Passcode: T6h=DJT*V^ One tap mobile +16699006833,,91341590705#,,,,,,0#,,0721927191# US (San Jose) +13462487799,,91341590705#,,,,,,0#,,0721927191# US (Houston) Dial by your location +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 731 853 730 Australia +61 861 193 900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan +81 3 4578 1488 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 913 4159 0705 Passcode (for dial-ins only): 0721927191 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/abVxJT2Ld1

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REMINDER: RSSAC Caucus Meeting | Tuesday, 21 July 2020 | 14:00-15:30 UTC
by Ozan Sahin July 20, 2020

July 20, 2020

***REMINDER*** Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Meeting Time: Jul 21, 2020 02:00 PM Universal Time UTC Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KSgskEJyzTsIJN8ahw-m6gHjsGJ08ArDQ2Gg55d… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/97760294649 Meeting ID: 977 6029 4649 Password: 1b^=AB=1Y4 One tap mobile +16699006833,,97760294649#,,,,0#,,359819# US (San Jose) +13462487799,,97760294649#,,,,0#,,359819# US (Houston) Dial by your location +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 731 853 730 Australia +61 861 193 900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 3 4578 1488 Japan +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 977 6029 4649 Password (for dial-ins only): 359819 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/amQDq8I3W

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REMINDER: RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Teleconference #4 | Tuesday, 21 July | 13:00-14:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin July 17, 2020

July 17, 2020

***REMINDER*** Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Call #4 Time: Jul 21, 2020 01:00 PM Universal Time UTC Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gFjcV0P2BQ9eF-ZELO6BbCg9nzHffTlAHmFlD85… Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yI2uCtTOo_TkwxmFzfOLxz37EHay089lnBppp-v… (Please take a look at the document before the meeting to become familiar, add comments, or think of additional discussion points) Work Party Wiki Space: https://community.icann.org/x/IonsBw Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/93677439600?pwd=ZG5yZHI3WTU5RUNndEdRRk1ZTHJ3QT09 Meeting ID: 936 7743 9600 Password: 0p@VV4nrA@ One tap mobile +16699006833,,93677439600#,,,,0#,,7252608413# US (San Jose) +12532158782,,93677439600#,,,,0#,,7252608413# US (Tacoma) Dial by your location +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) 877 853 5247 US Toll-free 888 788 0099 US Toll-free +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 731 853 730 Australia +61 861 193 900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 3 4578 1488 Japan +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 936 7743 9600 Password (for dial-ins only): 7252608413 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acX8o90nQP

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REMINDER: RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Teleconference #4 | Monday, 20 July | 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin July 17, 2020

July 17, 2020

***REMINDER*** Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Call #4 Time: Jul 20, 2020 03:00 PM Universal Time UTC Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uCCgjIsH6NiQJ5ZKAtrwllvaEKR5IzPIHxA4084… (Please note recently added questions on the attached document or page 3 of the WP’s google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DD3zHlbipvTGPiiUxtiZk6qPCxOttBQEvmo-m9M… ) Work Party wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/gInsBw Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/91634888712?pwd=VGlqTWpVWFUwSlRFMGFaUkVERlhTQT09 Meeting ID: 916 3488 8712 Password: 6U$vphjRTg One tap mobile +16699006833,,91634888712#,,,,0#,,5284035711# US (San Jose) +12532158782,,91634888712#,,,,0#,,5284035711# US (Tacoma) Dial by your location +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) 877 853 5247 US Toll-free 888 788 0099 US Toll-free +61 861 193 900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 731 853 730 Australia 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 3 4578 1488 Japan +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 916 3488 8712 Password (for dial-ins only): 5284035711 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acsMHfwKRf

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