Thanks Jonathan. I like this preample, but I'm a bit concerned with the way the listing at the end is presented, using "Projects should:". I think it'd better to introduce the list with the first sentence only: "Therefore, the CCWG considers the following to be important guidelines to applicants seeking auction proceeds funding:" Otherwise, one might (or should) think that all the listed criteria have to be fulfilled at once, which would reduce the scope to the most constraining one, i.e. "- Support ICANN's community activities and consensus-building processes" Another option would be to include this ICANN specific criteria in the first one, e.g. "- Be aligned +or in service+ of the ICANN's mission and core principles" And keep the "Projects should:" as a AND constraint. Edit: I think there's a typo: “(concept). probably should just be concept. On 2017-10-18 09:10, Jonathan Robinson wrote:

Thanks Marika,

All, please be aware of the following definition of an “open and interoperable” internet as proposed by the informal drafting team.

_Note the following:_

_ _

_1. __This is a draft, please consider whether or not it includes all the key concepts required for a preamble? If not, what else is missing? _

_2. __Please bear in mind that the preamble is a place for key concepts or overarching points rather than the fine detail of the bulk of the proposal._

Thank-you,

Jonathan

On behalf of the drafting team

FROM: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] SENT: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:57 PM TO: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org SUBJECT: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds Meeting on 19 October at 14.00 UTC

Dear All,

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 19 October at 14.00 UTC. Call details have been distributed separately. If you did not receive the call details and/or require a dial-out, please contact gnso-secs@icann.org.

Best regards,

Marika

PROPOSED AGENDA – NEW GTLD AUCTION PROCEEDS CCWG MEETING – 19 OCTOBER 2017

* Roll Call * Welcome * Review of open and interoperable Internet description (to be distributed shortly) * Review of examples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQ66hCxrboAJPKeuU6nHwzHQwmU6g_3kS0JUSSC_...)

* Next steps in relation to charter question 7 ‘(‘Should ICANN oversee the solicitation and evaluation of proposals, or delegate to or coordinate with another entity, including, for example, a foundation created for this purpose?’) * Planning for ICANN60 * Confirm next steps and next meetings (Thursday 02 November 2017 - 8:45– 10:15 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C and 13:30 – 15:00 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C)

_MARIKA KONINGS_

_Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _

_Email: marika.konings@icann.org _

_ _

_Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO_

_Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses [1] and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages [2]. _

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I have no problem with the “should” since I have interpreted it as a minimum list to be followed and can be evolve. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. On 10/18/17, 06:00, "ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Daniel Dardailler" <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org on behalf of danield@w3.org> wrote:

Thanks Jonathan.

I like this preample, but I'm a bit concerned with the way the listing at the end is presented, using "Projects should:".

I think it'd better to introduce the list with the first sentence only:

"Therefore, the CCWG considers the following to be important guidelines to applicants seeking auction proceeds funding:"

Otherwise, one might (or should) think that all the listed criteria have to be fulfilled at once, which would reduce the scope to the most constraining one, i.e.

"- Support ICANN's community activities and consensus-building processes"

Another option would be to include this ICANN specific criteria in the first one, e.g. "- Be aligned +or in service+ of the ICANN's mission and core principles"

And keep the "Projects should:" as a AND constraint.

Edit: I think there's a typo: “(concept). probably should just be concept.

On 2017-10-18 09:10, Jonathan Robinson wrote:

...

Thanks Marika,

All, please be aware of the following definition of an “open and interoperable” internet as proposed by the informal drafting team.

_Note the following:_

_ _

_1. __This is a draft, please consider whether or not it includes all the key concepts required for a preamble? If not, what else is missing? _

_2. __Please bear in mind that the preamble is a place for key concepts or overarching points rather than the fine detail of the bulk of the proposal._

Thank-you,

Jonathan

On behalf of the drafting team

FROM: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] SENT: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:57 PM TO: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org SUBJECT: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds Meeting on 19 October at 14.00 UTC

Dear All,

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 19 October at 14.00 UTC. Call details have been distributed separately. If you did not receive the call details and/or require a dial-out, please contact gnso-secs@icann.org.

Best regards,

Marika

PROPOSED AGENDA – NEW GTLD AUCTION PROCEEDS CCWG MEETING – 19 OCTOBER 2017

* Roll Call * Welcome * Review of open and interoperable Internet description (to be distributed shortly) * Review of examples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQ66hCxrboAJPKeuU6nHwzHQwmU6g_3kS0JUSSC_...)

* Next steps in relation to charter question 7 ‘(‘Should ICANN oversee the solicitation and evaluation of proposals, or delegate to or coordinate with another entity, including, for example, a foundation created for this purpose?’) * Planning for ICANN60 * Confirm next steps and next meetings (Thursday 02 November 2017 - 8:45– 10:15 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C and 13:30 – 15:00 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C)

_MARIKA KONINGS_

_Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _

_Email: marika.konings@icann.org _

_ _

_Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO_

_Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses [1] and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages [2]. _

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Hi all, The preample looks great for me as well and I tend to agree with Daniel on the point of deleting the word "should" which can be confusing for future applicants. I do agree with his suggested edit: "Therefore, the CCWG considers the following to be important guidelines to applicants seeking auction proceeds funding:" If Daniel (who is part of this discussion) found it limitating, then maybe someone else who was not part of our discussion can feel the same, thinking that their project has to follow ALL of those criteria in order to be considered. I am sure we will have projects which has nothing to do with "-Support ICANN's community activities and consensus-building processes" but which fits into one or all the other criteria. Regards, Arsene Thanks, Arsene 2017-10-18 10:00 UTC+02:00, Daniel Dardailler <danield@w3.org>:

Thanks Jonathan.

I like this preample, but I'm a bit concerned with the way the listing at the end is presented, using "Projects should:".

I think it'd better to introduce the list with the first sentence only:

"Therefore, the CCWG considers the following to be important guidelines to applicants seeking auction proceeds funding:"

Otherwise, one might (or should) think that all the listed criteria have to be fulfilled at once, which would reduce the scope to the most constraining one, i.e.

"- Support ICANN's community activities and consensus-building processes"

Another option would be to include this ICANN specific criteria in the first one, e.g. "- Be aligned +or in service+ of the ICANN's mission and core principles"

And keep the "Projects should:" as a AND constraint.

Edit: I think there's a typo: “(concept). probably should just be concept.

On 2017-10-18 09:10, Jonathan Robinson wrote:

...

Thanks Marika,

All, please be aware of the following definition of an “open and interoperable” internet as proposed by the informal drafting team.

_Note the following:_

_ _

_1. __This is a draft, please consider whether or not it includes all the key concepts required for a preamble? If not, what else is missing? _

_2. __Please bear in mind that the preamble is a place for key concepts or overarching points rather than the fine detail of the bulk of the proposal._

Thank-you,

Jonathan

On behalf of the drafting team

FROM: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] SENT: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:57 PM TO: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org SUBJECT: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds Meeting on 19 October at 14.00 UTC

Dear All,

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 19 October at 14.00 UTC. Call details have been distributed separately. If you did not receive the call details and/or require a dial-out, please contact gnso-secs@icann.org.

Best regards,

Marika

PROPOSED AGENDA – NEW GTLD AUCTION PROCEEDS CCWG MEETING – 19 OCTOBER 2017

* Roll Call * Welcome * Review of open and interoperable Internet description (to be distributed shortly) * Review of examples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQ66hCxrboAJPKeuU6nHwzHQwmU6g_3kS0JUSSC_...)

* Next steps in relation to charter question 7 ‘(‘Should ICANN oversee the solicitation and evaluation of proposals, or delegate to or coordinate with another entity, including, for example, a foundation created for this purpose?’) * Planning for ICANN60 * Confirm next steps and next meetings (Thursday 02 November 2017 - 8:45– 10:15 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C and 13:30 – 15:00 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C)

_MARIKA KONINGS_

_Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _

_Email: marika.konings@icann.org _

_ _

_Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO_

_Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses [1] and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages [2]. _

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Thanks Jonathan, I support Daniel comments and particularly the "or in service" in his suggested sentence: "- Be aligned +or in service+ of the ICANN's mission and core principles" But it might be a need to expand on what in service could be. Nadira On Oct 18, 2017 11:06 AM, "Daniel Dardailler" <danield@w3.org> wrote: Thanks Jonathan. I like this preample, but I'm a bit concerned with the way the listing at the end is presented, using "Projects should:". I think it'd better to introduce the list with the first sentence only: "Therefore, the CCWG considers the following to be important guidelines to applicants seeking auction proceeds funding:" Otherwise, one might (or should) think that all the listed criteria have to be fulfilled at once, which would reduce the scope to the most constraining one, i.e. "- Support ICANN's community activities and consensus-building processes" Another option would be to include this ICANN specific criteria in the first one, e.g. "- Be aligned +or in service+ of the ICANN's mission and core principles" And keep the "Projects should:" as a AND constraint. Edit: I think there's a typo: “(concept). probably should just be concept. On 2017-10-18 09:10, Jonathan Robinson wrote:

Thanks Marika,

All, please be aware of the following definition of an “open and interoperable” internet as proposed by the informal drafting team.

_Note the following:_

_ _

_1. __This is a draft, please consider whether or not it includes

all the key concepts required for a preamble? If not, what else is missing? _

_2. __Please bear in mind that the preamble is a place for key

concepts or overarching points rather than the fine detail of the bulk of the proposal._

Thank-you,

Jonathan

On behalf of the drafting team

FROM: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] SENT: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:57 PM TO: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org SUBJECT: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - CCWG Auction

Proceeds Meeting on 19 October at 14.00 UTC

Dear All,

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 19 October at 14.00 UTC. Call details have been distributed separately. If you did not receive the call details and/or require a dial-out, please contact gnso-secs@icann.org.

Best regards,

Marika

PROPOSED AGENDA – NEW GTLD AUCTION PROCEEDS CCWG MEETING – 19 OCTOBER 2017

* Roll Call * Welcome * Review of open and interoperable Internet description (to be distributed shortly) * Review of examples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQ66hCxrboAJPKeuU6nHwzHQ wmU6g_3kS0JUSSC_tSk/edit)

* Next steps in relation to charter question 7 ‘(‘Should ICANN

oversee the solicitation and evaluation of proposals, or delegate to or coordinate with another entity, including, for example, a foundation created for this purpose?’) * Planning for ICANN60 * Confirm next steps and next meetings (Thursday 02 November 2017 -

8:45– 10:15 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C and 13:30 – 15:00 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C)

_MARIKA KONINGS_

_Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _

_Email: marika.konings@icann.org _

_ _

_Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO_

_Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses [1] and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages [2]. _

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Hello Johnathan, Thanks for sharing this and I like that it does not try to define "open Internet" but was more focused on it as a concept in application to ICANN context. A few comments on the draft. 1. I wonder why root servers was specifically mentioned, wouldn't that already be covered in the DNS? 2. We mentioned "root servers"; literally there is logically one ICANN root but there are quite a number of other roots. I believe the intention is not to cover such non-icann root. I suggest tagging ICANN to that and perhaps also for DNS [1] as well 3. Bullet point 3 mention "...*whole* Internet community..." I think this suggests that the project must have a global scope but I wonder if that was intended? While I can live with that, I suggest removing "whole" as there might be certain projects that only have regional benefits which will be good to have. Regards 1. Unless the term DNS is an ICANN registered trademark Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Oct 18, 2017 8:10 AM, "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:

Thanks Marika,

All, please be aware of the following definition of an “open and interoperable” internet as proposed by the informal drafting team.

*Note the following:*

*1. **This is a draft, please consider whether or not it includes all the key concepts required for a preamble? If not, what else is missing? *

*2. **Please bear in mind that the preamble is a place for key concepts or overarching points rather than the fine detail of the bulk of the proposal.*

Thank-you,

Jonathan

On behalf of the drafting team

*From:* Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:57 PM *To:* ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org *Subject:* [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds Meeting on 19 October at 14.00 UTC

Dear All,

Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 19 October at 14.00 UTC. Call details have been distributed separately. If you did not receive the call details and/or require a dial-out, please contact gnso-secs@icann.org.

Best regards,

Marika

*Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Meeting – 19 October 2017*

1. Roll Call 2. Welcome 3. Review of open and interoperable Internet description (to be distributed shortly) 4. Review of examples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/ 1zQ66hCxrboAJPKeuU6nHwzHQwmU6g_3kS0JUSSC_tSk/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQ66hCxrboAJPKeuU6nHwzHQwmU6g_3kS0JUSSC_...>)

5. Next steps in relation to charter question 7 ‘(‘Should ICANN oversee the solicitation and evaluation of proposals, or delegate to or coordinate with another entity, including, for example, a foundation created for this purpose?’) 6. Planning for ICANN60 7. Confirm next steps and next meetings (Thursday 02 November 2017* - *8:45– 10:15 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C and 13:30 – 15:00 Working Group F2F Meeting in Hall B Section B/C)

*Marika Konings*

*Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) *

*Email: marika.konings@icann.org <marika.konings@icann.org> *

*Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO*

*Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses <http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages <http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-e...>. *

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or projects that are national in delivery, while having implications regionally or globally. Engagement opportunities to advance issues through the NRIs come to mind, as an example. M ________________________________ From: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 4:10 PM To: Seun Ojedeji Cc: ccwg-auctionproceeds@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - CCWG Auction Proceeds Meeting on 19 October at 14.00 UTC Good catch Seun, i agree with you on this! 3. Bullet point 3 mention "...*whole* Internet community..." I think this suggests that the project must have a global scope but I wonder if that was intended? While I can live with that, I suggest removing "whole" as there might be certain projects that only have regional benefits which will be good to have.