RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair
Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function. Regards CW On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:
All,
RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
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Chris - thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy. As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a 'Contract Co', but rather relies on some set of 'triggers' to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on 'no Contract Co' we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively. This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time. It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer! Allan From: Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] Sent: January-08-15 5:03 PM To: Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function. Regards CW On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote: All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Hi Allan, I am happy to assist wherever possible. Regards, Paul From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Allan MacGillivray Sent: Friday, 9 January 2015 10:46 AM To: Christopher Wilkinson; Jonathan Robinson Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Chris - thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy. As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a 'Contract Co', but rather relies on some set of 'triggers' to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on 'no Contract Co' we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively. This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time. It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer! Allan From: Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] Sent: January-08-15 5:03 PM To: Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function. Regards CW On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote: All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list <mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> CWG-Stewardship@icann.org <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it. jaap
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list. Allan -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it. jaap
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Again, I object strongly to this decision. It is not a productive way.
Negative!!! rfp3 is for discussing response to section 3 of the ICG request simple! I don't see where its indicated that this list is for contract co discussion. I don't think its right to associate being productive to this particular issue because what is to be discussed is within scope! Again it would not have mattered much to me if a new list was created but trying to imply some form of seclusion or interference is what i am strongly opposed to! Regards
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Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
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I believe the list will have the same characteristics (full list) but will have a new name and address. So it will be a "clone" but not the same list. Greg On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Allan MacGillivray < allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
Allan
-----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it.
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On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe the list will have the same characteristics (full list) but will have a new name and address. So it will be a "clone" but not the same list.
Well i would have readily agreed to this, if not for the fact that i don't think its of good intent. We developed the CWG proposal on this list, and should continue to use the rfp3 list for any other options.
Anyone who is not interested could hit delete whenever the mails hits his/her box Regards
Greg
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Allan MacGillivray < allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
Allan
-----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it.
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Seun: Perhaps you failed to understand that an RFP3b list would have all the same people subscribed to it (i.e., everybody). So everybody in this group would see these messages. Creating a new RFP3b list only serves to organize the discussion of an alternative for easier review and archiving. I have no idea how you would reasonably believe this evidences a lack of good intent. I would ask that you reconsider this accusation that I am acting out of a lack of "good intent." This sort of attack on my character is counterproductive and disappointing, and likely a breach of ICANN's codes of conduct. Thank you. Greg Shatan On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe the list will have the same characteristics (full list) but will have a new name and address. So it will be a "clone" but not the same list.
Well i would have readily agreed to this, if not for the fact that i don't think its of good intent. We developed the CWG proposal on this list, and should continue to use the rfp3 list for any other options.
Anyone who is not interested could hit delete whenever the mails hits his/her box
Regards
Greg
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Allan MacGillivray < allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
Allan
-----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it.
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On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
Seun:
Perhaps you failed to understand that an RFP3b list would have all the same people subscribed to it (i.e., everybody). So everybody in this group would see these messages. Creating a new RFP3b list only serves to organize the discussion of an alternative for easier review and archiving. I have no idea how you would reasonably believe this evidences a lack of good intent.
Well as far as i am concerned discussions about the alternate options has been happening on this list and would be preferred to continue, whether it was formerly recognised is another issue all together. I am saying this because in future i would not be surprised to see someone relate the message volume on the new list to level of support (not that i am mostly worried about that, everyone has his opinion)
I would ask that you reconsider this accusation that I am acting out of a lack of "good intent." This sort of attack on my character is counterproductive and disappointing,
Well maybe "lack of good intent" is not the appropriate phrase to describe the sense of segregation that is being created on this list. Its interesting you havn't noticed that but could easily notice mine, so i apologise if it felt personal to you. SNIP
Thank you.
Thanks too Regards
Greg Shatan
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe the list will have the same characteristics (full list) but will have a new name and address. So it will be a "clone" but not the same list.
Well i would have readily agreed to this, if not for the fact that i don't think its of good intent. We developed the CWG proposal on this list, and should continue to use the rfp3 list for any other options.
Anyone who is not interested could hit delete whenever the mails hits his/her box
Regards
Greg
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Allan MacGillivray < allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
Allan
-----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it.
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Hi Allan, I cannot promise to be active, but I would like to follow this work. And I really do not mind what the mailing list, so long as all who are interested are able to monitor or chip into the discussions. Best Martin -----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Allan MacGillivray Sent: 09 January 2015 21:54 To: Jaap Akkerhuis; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list. Allan -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it. jaap _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Allan and All, I would like to follow the progress of work for this stream. Please let the usual mailing list stay. Mary Uduma On Sunday, January 11, 2015 7:45 PM, Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk> wrote: Hi Allan, I cannot promise to be active, but I would like to follow this work. And I really do not mind what the mailing list, so long as all who are interested are able to monitor or chip into the discussions. Best Martin -----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Allan MacGillivray Sent: 09 January 2015 21:54 To: Jaap Akkerhuis; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list. Allan -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it. jaap _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
+1 - would like to be added if poss. best Jordan On 11 January 2015 at 19:44, Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Allan,
I cannot promise to be active, but I would like to follow this work. And I really do not mind what the mailing list, so long as all who are interested are able to monitor or chip into the discussions.
Best
Martin
-----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Allan MacGillivray Sent: 09 January 2015 21:54 To: Jaap Akkerhuis; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
Allan
-----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it.
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+1 Best Elise Fra: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] På vegne av Jordan Carter Sendt: 14. januar 2015 12:13 Til: Martin Boyle Kopi: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Emne: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS +1 - would like to be added if poss. best Jordan On 11 January 2015 at 19:44, Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk<mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk>> wrote: Hi Allan, I cannot promise to be active, but I would like to follow this work. And I really do not mind what the mailing list, so long as all who are interested are able to monitor or chip into the discussions. Best Martin -----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Allan MacGillivray Sent: 09 January 2015 21:54 To: Jaap Akkerhuis; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list. Allan -----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl<mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl>] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it. jaap _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship -- Jordan Carter Chief Executive InternetNZ 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob) jordan@internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz> Skype: jordancarter To promote the Internet's benefits and uses, and protect its potential.
+1 Desiree -- On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:19, Lindeberg, Elise <elise.lindeberg@Nkom.no> wrote:
+1 Best Elise
Fra: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] På vegne av Jordan Carter Sendt: 14. januar 2015 12:13 Til: Martin Boyle Kopi: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Emne: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
+1 - would like to be added if poss. best Jordan
On 11 January 2015 at 19:44, Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk> wrote: Hi Allan,
I cannot promise to be active, but I would like to follow this work. And I really do not mind what the mailing list, so long as all who are interested are able to monitor or chip into the discussions.
Best
Martin
-----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Allan MacGillivray Sent: 09 January 2015 21:54 To: Jaap Akkerhuis; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Jaap - I believe that we have decided that RFP3b will have the same email list as RFP3, that is, the full CWG list.
Allan
-----Original Message----- From: Jaap Akkerhuis [mailto:jaap@NLnetLabs.nl] Sent: January-09-15 4:21 PM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Cc: Allan MacGillivray; Jonathan Robinson Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
I probably don't have time to be active but if there will be a separate mail list I would like to lurk on it.
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sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 9 Jan 2015 00:46, "Allan MacGillivray" <allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Chris – thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so
I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy.
With such a focus on ‘no Contract Co’ we may also be able to set aside,
again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively.
I would say *some functions* but I generally agree with the flow you have proposed; we deal with contract co mechanism replacement before proceeding to making slim the CSC/MRT roles. However, I will strongly note that it's HIGHLY disappointing that CWG is now formerly recognising to build an alternate proposal just few days to submission.
This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core
of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time.
Well without making unnecessary excuses enormous resource commitment (including f2f) happened on the CWG proposal before Dec so while we will try, I don't think our source of inspiration should be linked to the CWG proposal ;-)
It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had
significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer!
Do pen me down. Regards
Allan
From: Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] Sent: January-08-15 5:03 PM To: Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR
VOLUNTEERS
Importance: High
Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function.
Regards
CW
On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:
All,
RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan
CWG Co-chair
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Hi Allan, I ‘volunteer’ and agree with your suggestions for the work to be done. best From: Allan MacGillivray <allan.macgillivray@cira.ca<mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca>> Date: Friday 9 January 2015 00:46 To: Christopher Wilkinson <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>>, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> Cc: "cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>" <cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Chris – thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy. As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a ‘Contract Co’, but rather relies on some set of ‘triggers’ to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on ‘no Contract Co’ we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively. This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time. It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer! Allan From: Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] Sent: January-08-15 5:03 PM To: Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function. Regards CW On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote: All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Hi Allan, I’d like to work on this group. Cheers, Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer .au Domain Administration Ltd T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112 E: ceo@auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au auDA – Australia’s Domain Name Administrator Important Notice - This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. Please consider the environment before printing this email. On 9 Jan 2015, at 10:46 , ALLAN MACGILLIVRAY <allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Chris – thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy.
As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a ‘Contract Co’, but rather relies on some set of ‘triggers’ to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on ‘no Contract Co’ we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively.
This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time.
It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer!
Allan
From: Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] Sent: January-08-15 5:03 PM To: Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray Cc: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High
Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function.
Regards
CW
On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:
All,
RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
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Allan, Count me in as well. Greg Shatan On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au> wrote:
Hi Allan,
I’d like to work on this group.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain | Chief Executive Officer
.au Domain Administration Ltd
T: +61 3 8341 4111 | F: +61 3 8341 4112
E: ceo@auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au
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On 9 Jan 2015, at 10:46 , ALLAN MACGILLIVRAY <allan.macgillivray@cira.ca> wrote:
Chris – thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy.
As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a ‘Contract Co’, but rather relies on some set of ‘triggers’ to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on ‘no Contract Co’ we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively.
This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time.
It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer!
Allan
*From:* Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>] *Sent:* January-08-15 5:03 PM *To:* Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray *Cc:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS *Importance:* High
Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function.
Regards
CW
On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS*
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
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Likewise - thanks. On 1/12/2015 4:17 AM, Greg Shatan wrote:
Allan,
Count me in as well.
Greg Shatan
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au <mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> wrote:
Hi Allan,
I’d like to work on this group.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain|Chief Executive Officer
.au Domain Administration Ltd
T: +61 3 8341 4111 <tel:%2B61%203%208341%204111>|F: +61 3 8341 4112 <tel:%2B61%203%208341%204112>
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On 9 Jan 2015, at 10:46 , ALLAN MACGILLIVRAY <allan.macgillivray@cira.ca <mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca>> wrote:
Chris – thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy. As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a ‘Contract Co’, but rather relies on some set of ‘triggers’ to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on ‘no Contract Co’ we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively. This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time. It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer! Allan *From:*Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] *Sent:*January-08-15 5:03 PM *To:*Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray *Cc:*cwg-stewardship@icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> *Subject:*Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS *Importance:*High Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function. Regards CW On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
All, *RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS* Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org <mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org <mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
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Please add me to the 3b list too. Thanks Paul Quoting Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org>:
Likewise - thanks.
On 1/12/2015 4:17 AM, Greg Shatan wrote:
Allan,
Count me in as well.
Greg Shatan
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au <mailto:ceo@auda.org.au>> wrote:
Hi Allan,
Id like to work on this group.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain|Chief Executive Officer
.au Domain Administration Ltd
T: +61 3 8341 4111 <tel:%2B61%203%208341%204111>|F: +61 3 8341 4112 <tel:%2B61%203%208341%204112>
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On 9 Jan 2015, at 10:46 , ALLAN MACGILLIVRAY <allan.macgillivray@cira.ca <mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca>> wrote:
Chris thanks for volunteering. We all know that time is very tight so I want to outline how I think we could best optimize our time and energy. As you know there are three main components to the current CWG proposal for the IANA functions: Contract Co; CSC and the MRT, setting the IAP aside, at least for the moment. I propose that we focus on a variant of the CWG option which does not have, at least immediately, a Contract Co, but rather relies on some set of triggers to create the separation of the IANA function from ICANN. My hope is that we can develop a single proposal for discussion purposes and in this fashion, catch up to the work that has already been done on the full CWG proposal. With such a focus on no Contract Co we may also be able to set aside, again, at least for the moment, the CSC and the MRT as I believe there is a high degree of consensus that the functions that these two entities would perform are needed, that is operational oversight and periodic review respectively. This may seem to be a daunting task, but I would remind you that the core of the CWG proposal ran to only just 7 pages in the December 1 proposal. I think that together we can put something credible together in a reasonable amount of time. It would be very helpful if the communities and organizations who had significant concerns with Contract Co and who also sought the development of such a proposal could actively participate as I fear it would lack credibility without them. I am speaking in particular of auDA, SIDN, Google and ALAC. If I have missed centring anyone out, you are still welcome to volunteer! Allan *From:*Christopher Wilkinson [mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu] *Sent:*January-08-15 5:03 PM *To:*Jonathan Robinson; Allan MacGillivray *Cc:*cwg-stewardship@icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> *Subject:*Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS *Importance:*High Good evening: In the light of my pervious comments, I would be prepared to volunteer for this function. Regards CW On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:42, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote:
All, *RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS* Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called internal to ICANN option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org <mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org <mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
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It perhaps goes without saying, but I volunteer. Alan At 08/01/2015 11:42 AM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
All,
RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
_______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results. I think when this "intensive work weekend" was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal. --MM From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Robinson Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair
Does that mean I actually get the weekend off? Alan At 09/01/2015 09:50 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results.
I think when this "intensive work weekend" was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal.
--MM
From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Robinson Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High
All,
RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
_______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Quite the opposite! It means you get to work on two tracks at the same time!! On Friday, January 9, 2015, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Does that mean I actually get the weekend off? Alan
At 09/01/2015 09:50 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results.
I think when this “intensive work weekend” was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal.
--MM
*From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');> [ mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');>] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Robinson *Sent:* Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');> *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS *Importance:* High
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS * Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
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I hope this is a joke, because it is not workable. Seriously. People who want an internal solution should do their best to develop a workable and detailed internal solution. People who want an external solution should refine and improve the Frankfurt proposal based on the public comments and the surveys. We CANNOT do both at the same time; you have people working at cross purposes to each other. The whole point of having a separate track is to eliminate the cross-talk and interference among people working on different projects. There must be separate lists for this. From: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 12:45 PM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: Milton L Mueller; jrobinson@afilias.info; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Quite the opposite! It means you get to work on two tracks at the same time!! On Friday, January 9, 2015, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Does that mean I actually get the weekend off? Alan At 09/01/2015 09:50 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results. I think when this “intensive work weekend” was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal. --MM From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');> [ mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org');>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Robinson Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cwg-stewardship@icann.org');> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CWG-Stewardship@icann.org');> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Hi Milton, Its unfortunate the sense of division that is being created here and i hope the Chair and VCs will be sensitive to this; we all worked on the cwg proposal in Frankfurt so i expect a level of open mind from all members of this WG whenever other options are proposed (even if we have preferences) but again i am sure those who have following may have already sense this coming a long time ago. Regards On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I hope this is a joke, because it is not workable. Seriously. People who want an internal solution should do their best to develop a workable and detailed internal solution. People who want an external solution should refine and improve the Frankfurt proposal based on the public comments and the surveys. We CANNOT do both at the same time; you have people working at cross purposes to each other. The whole point of having a separate track is to eliminate the cross-talk and interference among people working on different projects. There must be separate lists for this.
*From:* Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 9, 2015 12:45 PM *To:* Alan Greenberg *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; jrobinson@afilias.info; cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Quite the opposite! It means you get to work on two tracks at the same time!!
On Friday, January 9, 2015, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Does that mean I actually get the weekend off? Alan
At 09/01/2015 09:50 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results.
I think when this “intensive work weekend” was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal.
--MM
*From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Robinson *Sent:* Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS *Importance:* High
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS * Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
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-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng <seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng>* The key to understanding is humility - my view !
Seun, I am simply talking about a division of LABOR which is a well-known way to improve the efficiency of work. Even if the two tracks contain all the same people, it is less confusing and more focused to separate communications about the two tasks, just as we separated RFP3 and 4 and 5 lists From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 11:40 PM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: Greg Shatan; Alan Greenberg; cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Hi Milton, Its unfortunate the sense of division that is being created here and i hope the Chair and VCs will be sensitive to this; we all worked on the cwg proposal in Frankfurt so i expect a level of open mind from all members of this WG whenever other options are proposed (even if we have preferences) but again i am sure those who have following may have already sense this coming a long time ago. Regards On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu<mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote: I hope this is a joke, because it is not workable. Seriously. People who want an internal solution should do their best to develop a workable and detailed internal solution. People who want an external solution should refine and improve the Frankfurt proposal based on the public comments and the surveys. We CANNOT do both at the same time; you have people working at cross purposes to each other. The whole point of having a separate track is to eliminate the cross-talk and interference among people working on different projects. There must be separate lists for this. From: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>] Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 12:45 PM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: Milton L Mueller; jrobinson@afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Quite the opposite! It means you get to work on two tracks at the same time!! On Friday, January 9, 2015, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Does that mean I actually get the weekend off? Alan At 09/01/2015 09:50 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results. I think when this “intensive work weekend” was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal. --MM From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org> [ mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Robinson Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Importance: High All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: <http://goog_1872880453> seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng<mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
My only intent is ministerial. I am not trying to create any sense of segregation, nor do I believe I havve. If others are, you can take it up with them, but don't attribute it to me. Greg On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Seun,
I am simply talking about a division of LABOR which is a well-known way to improve the efficiency of work. Even if the two tracks contain all the same people, it is less confusing and more focused to separate communications about the two tasks, just as we separated RFP3 and 4 and 5 lists
*From:* Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 9, 2015 11:40 PM *To:* Milton L Mueller *Cc:* Greg Shatan; Alan Greenberg; cwg-stewardship@icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Hi Milton,
Its unfortunate the sense of division that is being created here and i hope the Chair and VCs will be sensitive to this; we all worked on the cwg proposal in Frankfurt so i expect a level of open mind from all members of this WG whenever other options are proposed (even if we have preferences) but again i am sure those who have following may have already sense this coming a long time ago.
Regards
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I hope this is a joke, because it is not workable. Seriously. People who want an internal solution should do their best to develop a workable and detailed internal solution. People who want an external solution should refine and improve the Frankfurt proposal based on the public comments and the surveys. We CANNOT do both at the same time; you have people working at cross purposes to each other. The whole point of having a separate track is to eliminate the cross-talk and interference among people working on different projects. There must be separate lists for this.
*From:* Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 9, 2015 12:45 PM *To:* Alan Greenberg *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; jrobinson@afilias.info; cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Quite the opposite! It means you get to work on two tracks at the same time!!
On Friday, January 9, 2015, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Does that mean I actually get the weekend off? Alan
At 09/01/2015 09:50 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
Jonathan One of the advantages of a subgroup devoted to an internal solution is that work on the mainstream proposal (an external solution, which enjoyed the most support in the public comment period) can proceed more expeditiously. Therefore I would like to know the agenda for the two calls tomorrow. My understanding is that those calls should be devoted to improving and revising the external proposal based on the survey results.
I think when this “intensive work weekend” was originally scheduled, we assumed that the CWG would be finalizing its proposal and would need that much time to iron out the differences in a way that had consensus. It is clear that we are not there yet, so I would hope that this time would be productively used to improve the mainstream proposal while the subgroup simultaneously develops an alternative internal proposal.
--MM
*From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Robinson *Sent:* Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:43 AM *To:* cwg-stewardship@icann.org *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS *Importance:* High
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS * Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan CWG Co-chair
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The key to understanding is humility - my view !
Hi, Can a non believer join the list? I am most interested in understanding and describing the analogues between the two models, mainstream and alternate. I think understanding that is essential to making progress in RFP(4,5) avri On 08-Jan-15 11:42, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS*
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan
CWG Co-chair
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I should hope so. Well-informed skepticism is of great value in improving any proposal. On Friday, January 9, 2015, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
Can a non believer join the list?
I am most interested in understanding and describing the analogues between the two models, mainstream and alternate. I think understanding that is essential to making progress in RFP(4,5)
avri
On 08-Jan-15 11:42, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS*
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan
CWG Co-chair
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I think it needs believers and nonbelievers. Chuck From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 11:37 AM To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Hi, Can a non believer join the list? I am most interested in understanding and describing the analogues between the two models, mainstream and alternate. I think understanding that is essential to making progress in RFP(4,5) avri On 08-Jan-15 11:42, Jonathan Robinson wrote: All, RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3. The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called "internal to ICANN" option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG. Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress. Thank-you. Jonathan CWG Co-chair _______________________________________________ CWG-Stewardship mailing list CWG-Stewardship@icann.org<mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship
Hi Allan, I wanted to suggest a way of operationalising the internal-to-ICANN solution for the consideration of RFP3B. I propose that: 1) MRT and CSC be internal committees of ICANN; 2) IANA be hived off as a wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN. The IANA staff continues to work as it presently does but legally all IANA operations are transferred to the wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN. There is no physical change in the IANA operator's location or present operations etc. 3) There is a IANA Functions Contract between ICANN and the ICANN Subsidiary. In this, (i) ICANN would become the contracting authority (with contracting powers delegated to MRT) and (ii) the ICANN Subsidiary would become the present IANA Functions Operator. This way everything remains internal to ICANN with the option of separability if required. Regards, Guru On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS*
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan
CWG Co-chair
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On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Guru Acharya <gurcharya@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Allan,
I wanted to suggest a way of operationalising the internal-to-ICANN solution for the consideration of RFP3B.
I propose that:
1) MRT and CSC be internal committees of ICANN;
2) IANA be hived off as a wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN. The IANA staff continues to work as it presently does but legally all IANA operations are transferred to the wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN. There is no physical change in the IANA operator's location or present operations etc.
As the RFP4 chair - I ask that the RFP3b group please also try to identify transition implications. A wholly owned subsidiary would have certain requirements - such as a separate board, perhaps separate budget. How that gets dealt with would need to be detailed in the proposal...
This way everything remains internal to ICANN with the option of separability if required.
Are other options possible?
Robert
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>> wrote: All,
RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan
CWG Co-chair
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Dear Robert It would certainly make it easier for RFP4 to study the transition implications by building scenarios in greater detail if RFP3B shares any of the proposals that it might have. Sivasubramanian M Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.org> wrote:
On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Guru Acharya <gurcharya@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Allan,
I wanted to suggest a way of operationalising the internal-to-ICANN solution for the consideration of RFP3B.
I propose that:
1) MRT and CSC be internal committees of ICANN;
2) IANA be hived off as a wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN. The IANA staff continues to work as it presently does but legally all IANA operations are transferred to the wholly owned subsidiary of ICANN. There is no physical change in the IANA operator's location or present operations etc.
As the RFP4 chair - I ask that the RFP3b group please also try to identify transition implications. A wholly owned subsidiary would have certain requirements - such as a separate board, perhaps separate budget. How that gets dealt with would need to be detailed in the proposal...
This way everything remains internal to ICANN with the option of separability if required.
Are other options possible?
Robert
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info
wrote:
All,
*RFP 3 Sub-Group (AKA RFP 3b) - CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS*
Please note this urgent call for volunteers for a sub-group of RFP3.
The sub-group is required to work together to further develop a variant proposal for the CWG which takes account of proposals and comments received by the CWG, particularly as they relate to a so-called “internal to ICANN” option or variant to the original draft proposal of the CWG.
Allan Mc Gillivray has offered to assist with co-ordination of the group and it will need a committed team to work with Allan in short order to make the requisite progress.
Thank-you.
Jonathan
CWG Co-chair
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participants (23)
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Alan Greenberg -
Allan MacGillivray -
Avri Doria -
Chris Disspain -
Christopher Wilkinson -
Desiree Miloshevic -
Gomes, Chuck -
Greg Shatan -
Guru Acharya -
Jaap Akkerhuis -
Jonathan Robinson -
Jordan Carter -
Lindeberg, Elise -
Maarten Simon -
Martin Boyle -
Mary Uduma -
Matthew Shears -
Milton L Mueller -
Paul M Kane - CWG -
Paul Szyndler -
Robert Guerra -
Seun Ojedeji -
Sivasubramanian M