February 2014 - Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg

A brief status report
by Don Blumenthal Feb. 13, 2014

Feb. 13, 2014

Hello. We made a lot of progress on last week’s call, essentially finalizing the set of internal questions, at least for now, and diving into work plan issues. The Idea when we started the hour was to start a discussion of the order in which to examine questions. Instead, I think we saw a bit of a consensus by the end of the hour on how to begin. Mary will send out the current set of questions and a revised work plan later this afternoon. You will notice that we will start with question two, and then tentatively proceed to section 2. In order to avoid confusion though, section designations now will be letters instead of Roman numerals. Thanks. As always, let us know if you have any questions or concerns, and please keep discussions going on the list. Don

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Updated Definitions List
by Don Blumenthal Feb. 12, 2014

Feb. 12, 2014

Mary, Thanks very much. This document will be very helpful as we move along. Best, Don From: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM To: PPSAI <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Updated Definitions List Dear all, Please find attached a document listing definitions that have been used in/by the GNSO in relation to "Privacy Services", "Proxy Services", "Relay" and "Reveal". The various definitions and descriptions (as applicable) are listed in chronological order of development/use, starting from the Working Definitions prepared by a GNSO Drafting Team in 2009 and including the terms as used in the Terms of Reference for the proposed studies in 2010 on Privacy & Proxy Abuse (now in Final Report preparation phase) and on Privacy/Proxy Relay/Reveal (which was ultimately not done per se but for which the GNSO Council commissioned a Pre-Feasibility Survey, completed in August 2012). Hyperlinks to the relevant document have also been included. Please note that some of these definitions were provided to the SO/AC/SG/C chairs in the WG's outreach letters, sent recently, and included also in some of the WG Background Documents on the WG wiki. We will post this latest document to the wiki as well. We hope this compilation of definitions is useful to the WG. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> * One World. One Internet. *

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Feb. 12, 2014

Feb. 12, 2014

So it's not in the RAA then is it? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA. Best regards, Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal". 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term's use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents - see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg) Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up? Thank you so much, Gema

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MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 11 February 2014 at 1500 UTC
by Gisella Gruber Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 11 February 2014 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140211-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140211-en.mp3> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> Attendees: Don Blumenthal - RySG Luc Seufer - RrSG Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Volker Greimann - RrSG Griffin Barnett IPC Justin Macy CBUC Jim Bikoff IPC Maria Farrell NCUC Graeme Bunton RrSG Tim Ruiz RrSG Roy Balleste NCUC David Heasley - IPC James Bladel - RrSG Susan Prosser RrSG Kiran Malancharuvil IPC Sarah Wyld no SOI as of yet Todd Williams IPC Valeriya Sherman IPC Steve Metalitz - IPC Phil Marano IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Holly Raiche ALAC Gema Campillos GAC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Tobias Sattler RrSG Kristina Rosette - IPC Bill Watenpaugh - RrSG Michele Neylon - RrSG Elizabeth Baney Justin Macey - BC Keith Kupferschmid - IPC Darcy Southwell - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCUC Paul McGrady - IPC Apologies: Katherine McGowan Kathy Kleiman RySGgr Carlton Samuels - ALAC Alex Deacon - IPC Ben Anderson - RrSG ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Gisella Gruber ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Gisella ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 11 February 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 11 February 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Volker Greimann:Good Afternoon, or freezing morning, depending on where you are M:Hi guys Gisella Gruber-White:M - please identify yourself M:gah, sorry gisella, it's me, maria. the form sometimes autocompletes me! M:I'll log back in as my full name! Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Good morning Bladel:Good Chilly Morning. Maria Farrell:Back now, hi again, everyone Graeme Bunton:Maria - are you unable to ask questions on the call again? Maria Farrell:hi there, no, I should be able to dial in today also. Michele Neylon:I will be dropping off in a few minutes Michele Neylon:expecting a call on my desk phone Maria Farrell:i mean, no, i'm not unable. I'm just not always at an office location I can be on a call in. I think others have this issue, too. e.g. some open planoffices. Maria Farrell:but today is ok Michele Neylon:oooo Michele Neylon:Gisella Michele Neylon:haven't heard that voice in a while Graeme Bunton:ok, good. Graeme Bunton:Please mute your mic if you're not talking Gisella Gruber-White:Marie-Laure Lemineur has joined the AC room Marie-laure Lemineur:Apologies for being late Val Sherman:David Heasley is on the line as well Gisella Gruber-White:@ Val - thank you, noted. Stephanie Perrin:Apologies for being late! Amr Elsadr:Hi. Apologies for being late as well. Just dialled in. Luc Seufer:if we all agree that 3.7.7.3 doesn't apply, why bother? Volker Greimann:centralnic third-levels anyone? Elizabeth Baney:I support getting 3.7.7.3. clarified by the GC Gema Campillos:Appreciated. Bladel:Right. Consider tumblr.com.... Michele Neylon:dialled in now - since the journo postponed until 4pm Gisella Gruber-White:Kiran has joined the call Maria Farrell:Sorry, I had to hang up as I have building work going on suddenly outside my office window. Just wanted to say I support Don's / steve's ideaof getting down to work on the sub headings. Val Sherman:Can we just retitle the "Main Issues" as "Conclusions" and move it to the end Gema Campillos:Agree with Val and Tim. Stephanie Perrin:Thanks for bringing up the lawyers issue Don! Mary Wong 2:@Val, how about "General Issues"? It may be that as the WG goes along these may crop up and so not necessarily be Conclusions. Gisella Gruber-White:Osvaldo has joined the Adobe Connect Tim Ruiz:Start with Main Issue #2. It is a threshold question. Tim Ruiz:As part of Issue 2, who should or shouldn't be. Can you do both or only one or the other. Where do law firms, CentralNic, etc. come into this. Stephanie Perrin:Could I bring up the point that the EWG did reach agreement that the customer info of a privacy proxy services customer would not appear in the new RDS...what would be in the RDS is the registrant information, so the proxy/shield service provider. There was no determination that such a registration would be "flagged" for general consumption, as I recall. (Michele may have a difference recollection) Maria Farrell:michele is very hard on lawyers... Maria Farrell::-) Michele Neylon:Law professor claimed we were a publishers of a website Michele Neylon:cos we hosted the damn thing Maria Farrell:oh dear! Holly Raiche:The issue isn't just lawyeers - it's everyone who may want to operate the service - are there some bottom line requirements that allows lawyers and other unincorporated bodies Michele Neylon:Maria - she backed down when I pointed this out :) Elizabeth Baney:apoligies - ignorant question: but is this group bound by the EWG's views (see Stephanie's comment), or couldn't we differ? Michele Neylon:Elizabeth - feel free to differ :) Michele Neylon:EWG is not binding on anyone Marika Konings:Isn't the goal to set objective criteria which may mean that certain groups / individuals would not be able to qualify instead of singling out certain groups? Elizabeth Baney:Thanks Michele ;) Michele Neylon:Elizabeth - I'm on EWG Michele Neylon:and we don't know everything Holly Raiche:If we go to the RAA 2013 version, we have to include thespecification - part of what the Board passed Elizabeth Baney:I know it! Gema Campillos:The current speaker is saying what I wanted to say. Michele Neylon:Gema - that's Tim Ruiz Amr Elsadr:@Tim: +1. Answering Main Issue no. 2 now will be helpful down the road. Mike Zupke:As reference, here is the statement of registrar accreditation policy:http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/policy-sta tement Don Blumenthal:Thanks for saving me the lookup effort on the RAA language Mary Wong 2:@Elizabeth, the EWG and this WG are proceeding in parallel, so to the extent that the EWG concretely recommends something that may influence/impact this WG's discussions, it's something the WG will probably want to address. Staff will coordinate between the 2 groups and monitor, and it's of course helpful to have EWG members on this WG :) Mary Wong 2:Note also that the EWG's mission is broader than this WG's charter (which focuses just on P&P services accreditation) Holly Raiche:True Mary - but we have to deal with the specification onP/P so that is our task Don Blumenthal:And Carlton for EWG Val Sherman:@ Mary, that may work just fine. The title may evolve along as we work thru the issues. Mary Wong 2:Following up on Michele's comment - the GNSO is due to kick off a PDP on the new gTLD registration data system AFTER the EWG completes its Final Report. steve metalitz:what about work plan? Graeme Bunton:That might hinge on the outcome of the poll Luc Seufer:so hiatus until the poll results came back? Luc Seufer:come Marika Konings:Thinking through the order based on the first question may help people decide which order they would prefer? Tim Ruiz:@Maria, I like this, "Isn't the goal to set objective criteria which may mean that certain groups / individuals would not be able to qualify instead of singling out certain groups?" Don Blumenthal:Answers are due in less than three weeks. We have work to do in the interim Tim Ruiz:I meant @Marika. Maria Farrell:Can we make sure to have at least 1 hour of actual working time in Singaproe? Mary Wong 2:@Maria, we've requested a 90-minute WG meeting; the WG can decide how much time of that you want to devote toc community feedback. Amr Elsadr:@Don: Yes. I will also make the assumption that there will be community members outside this WG who might be interested in engaging with this WG..., possibly the GAC. Maria Farrell:SOrry, building works outside and can't talk Maria Farrell:working time is actual WG work, not presentation time and q&a Don Blumenthal:That's what I figured but wanted to make sure. Maria Farrell:We need to prioritise that in our request for scheduled meeting time. Maria Farrell:thanks, don Maria Farrell:also, re. 'consensus', I don't see how that is suddenly an issue. there will be remote participation, surely, like all calls. and if people are worried about anythignt he meeting does, I suggested last time that we do wht the ietf habitually does, and have notning accepted as agreed till the wg gets to review it by email following the f2f. Marika Konings:@Holly - that will likely conflict with the joint GNSO-ccNSO meeting Volker Greimann:it does Marika Konings:@Holly - I know, just wanted to flag it :-) Volker Greimann:so I will not be able to attend either Mary Wong 2:@Maria, the WG meeting format can be as flexible/open as the WG wishes; most of the presentation/Q&A to-and-fro occurs in the GNSO weekend sessions. Maria Farrell:thanks, mary Mary Wong 2:Also WG Guidelines recommend that consensus calls are done on the list, to enable everyone to have a chance to consider and contribute. Maria Farrell:exactly, so doing actual work at a f2f and then putting it to the list shouldn't be a problem. Michele Neylon:https://thedaywefightback.org <https://thedaywefightback.org/> - 100k+ signature so far :) Michele Neylon:her audio is b0rked ;) Mary Wong 2:@Gema, as to your 2nd question - that was a question a WG member asked - if in addition to Reveal there should be Publication. Maria Farrell:thanks don Darcy Southwell:Thank you. steve metalitz:all the points have question marks at the end. Gema is providing an answer. Luc Seufer:Bye Susan Prosser:bye Gema Campillos:Ok. Thank you. I´ll take it to the list. Marie-laure Lemineur:bye and tx Amr Elsadr:thnx. bye. Stephanie Perrin:Gema's point was important we need to come back to it....

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Updated Definitions List
by Mary Wong Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Dear all, Please find attached a document listing definitions that have been used in/by the GNSO in relation to "Privacy Services", "Proxy Services", "Relay" and "Reveal". The various definitions and descriptions (as applicable) are listed in chronological order of development/use, starting from the Working Definitions prepared by a GNSO Drafting Team in 2009 and including the terms as used in the Terms of Reference for the proposed studies in 2010 on Privacy & Proxy Abuse (now in Final Report preparation phase) and on Privacy/Proxy Relay/Reveal (which was ultimately not done per se but for which the GNSO Council commissioned a Pre-Feasibility Survey, completed in August 2012). Hyperlinks to the relevant document have also been included. Please note that some of these definitions were provided to the SO/AC/SG/C chairs in the WG's outreach letters, sent recently, and included also in some of the WG Background Documents on the WG wiki. We will post this latest document to the wiki as well. We hope this compilation of definitions is useful to the WG. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong(a)icann.org * One World. One Internet. *

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

That doesn't oblige the reveal and would only apply to proxy services not privacy services If the service assumes the liability they've no obligation to reveal, so I ask again Gema - where are you getting the obligation from? Which clause in the RAA? FYI - the only RAA version we should care about is the 2013 as this entire thing hinges on it and not any of the previous version -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:15 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, I found this language in the 2001 RAA: 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm. And in the 2009 RAA: 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm. And the 2013 RAA: 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm. Presumably that is the provision referenced? Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 15:06 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal So it's not in the RAA then is it? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA. Best regards, Marika From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56 To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal". 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term's use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents - see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg) Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up? Thank you so much, Gema

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FW: [Ntfy-gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG - Tuesday 11 February 2014 - 15:00 UTC
by Ben Anderson Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Please accept my apologies for today. Kind regards Ben ________________________________ From: ntfy-gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces(a)icann.org [ntfy-gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces(a)icann.org] on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine [nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org] Sent: 10 February 2014 08:57 To: ntfy-gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Subject: [Ntfy-gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG - Tuesday 11 February 2014 - 15:00 UTC Dear All, The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 11th February 2014 at 1500 UTC 07:00 PST, 10:00 EST, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/ For those of you using the Adobe Connect audio, you may do so by activating your computer microphone via the Adobe room (Using a headset is preferable here). Make sure your speakers and microphone are not on mute. - Select the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the AC toolbar and choose CONNECT MY AUDIO (only option). - Select USING COMPUTER twice - Select ALLOW access to the ICANN adobe room - the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the toolbar should then have changed into a MICROPHONE ICON - You may click on this MICROPHONE ICON to mute yourself (Icon will then have a line through it) and to unmute yourself (Line disappears) Participants must ALWAYS have their microphone or telephone on MUTE as default setting. You are requested to RAISE YOUR HAND if you wish to participate to avoid disruption. Dial-in details are below. If you require a dial-out, please let me know. ______________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: PPSAI Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL): 52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 0800-002066 SLOVENIA 0-800-81310 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine For GNSO Secretariat

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Gema Which clause in the RAA stipulates this? I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM To: Marika Konings Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal". 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term's use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents - see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg) Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up? Thank you so much, Gema

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

I probably won't be able to make this call as I've a conflict today -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika Konings Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 2:45 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting Dear All, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next PPSAI WG Meeting (Tuesday 11 February 2014) as well as the latest version of the grouping of charter questions as well as work plan document. Please note the clarification that has been added in footnote 1 in relation to de-accreditation. With best regards, Marika Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting - 11 February 2014 at 15.00 UTC 1. Roll Call/SOI 2. Updates Confirm grouping of Charter questions & initial Work Plan 3. Discuss format, objectives and desired outcomes of Singapore F2F meeting? 4. Confirm next steps / next meeting

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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
by Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal". 5) Relay Information Requests See study # 20 for this term's use in context. Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud, intellectual property rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm. So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication" are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services. Thank you again and best regards, Gema De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16 Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Gema, I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents - see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg) Best regards, Marika From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS(a)minetur.es<mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es>> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal Dear Marika, Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up? Thank you so much, Gema

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