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Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ - reflecting comments received until 23Oct14 ..
by Joseph Alhadeff Oct. 26, 2014

Oct. 26, 2014

We really don't need any more detail than that... Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Manal Ismail [manal(a)tra.gov.eg] Received: Saturday, 25 Oct 2014, 2:24PM To: Patrik Fältström [paf(a)frobbit.se] Elise Gerich [elise.gerich(a)icann.org] CC: internal-cg(a)icann.org [internal-cg(a)icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ - reflecting comments received until 23Oct14 .. Thanks Elise, Hartmut and Patrik .. I had the same understanding too and have reflected this in earlier versions .. Yet I changed the text based on the latest draft shared by Jandyr on behalf of the small drafting group (himself, Lynn & Xiaodong), which I recall was also supported by Jean-Jacques and Milton .. But I see your point and am happy to revert back to the earlier text, which stated: “The Board is represented on the ICG by one liaison. In addition, there is a liaison to the ICG from the IANA Department. Both liaisons are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the Board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition.” Is this ok? Should I also add the names ? Kind Regards --Manal From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:06 PM To: Elise Gerich Cc: Manal Ismail; internal-cg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ - reflecting comments received until 23Oct14 .. I support this. Patrik On 25 okt 2014, at 17:13, Elise Gerich <elise.gerich(a)icann.org> wrote: Dear Manal, I thought the discussion on list had indicated that it is more accurate to say, ICANN is represented on the ICG by two liaisons rather than The Board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons. Kuo-Wei Wu is the Boards liaison to the ICG, and my role is a liaison from the ICANNs IANA department. My participation on the committee is not as a representative of the ICANN Board. Best regards, -- Elise From: Manal Ismail <manal(a)tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg> > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 at 11:48 PM To: "internal-cg(a)icann.org <mailto:internal-cg@icann.org> " <internal-cg(a)icann.org <mailto:internal-cg@icann.org> > Subject: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ - reflecting comments received until 23Oct14 .. Dear all .. Please find attached, and in Dropbox, a new version of ICG FAQ reflecting the latest views and comments shared .. I have also attached below the final compilation of answers to Q#15 & Q#16 for your convenience .. Kindly note that I took the liberty to change "ICG proposal" or "ICG's proposal" to "proposal submitted by the ICG", to avoid being misunderstood as attributing the community's proposal solely to the ICG .. Hope this is ok with everyone .. Happy to receive any further remarks or comments .. Kind Regards --Manal ---------------------------------------------------------- 15. What is the role of the ICANN Board in preparing the proposal? The ICG is independent of the ICANN Board. The Board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs. Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr. Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the Board and the ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN Board can submit comments through the established procedures for public comment. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN Board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify the proposal submitted by the ICG. When the ICG submits the final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. 16. How will ICANN Board handle the final proposal submitted by the ICG? The ICG expects that the final proposal, having achieved consensus on the Coordination Group and within the Operational Communities, will be welcomed by the ICANN Board and dutifully transmitted to NTIA. ------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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ICG FAQ - reflecting comments received until 23Oct14 ..
by Manal Ismail Oct. 25, 2014

Oct. 25, 2014

Dear all .. Please find attached, and in Dropbox, a new version of ICG FAQ reflecting the latest views and comments shared .. I have also attached below the final compilation of answers to Q#15 & Q#16 for your convenience .. Kindly note that I took the liberty to change "ICG proposal" or "ICG's proposal" to "proposal submitted by the ICG", to avoid being misunderstood as attributing the community's proposal solely to the ICG .. Hope this is ok with everyone .. Happy to receive any further remarks or comments .. Kind Regards --Manal ---------------------------------------------------------- 15. What is the role of the ICANN Board in preparing the proposal? The ICG is independent of the ICANN Board. The Board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs. Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr. Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the Board and the ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN Board can submit comments through the established procedures for public comment. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN Board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify the proposal submitted by the ICG. When the ICG submits the final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. 16. How will ICANN Board handle the final proposal submitted by the ICG? The ICG expects that the final proposal, having achieved consensus on the Coordination Group and within the Operational Communities, will be welcomed by the ICANN Board and dutifully transmitted to NTIA. ------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
by Joseph Alhadeff Oct. 23, 2014

Oct. 23, 2014

I'm not sure the nature of our charter is binding on the board in a legal sense. I would think we can find other words of equal strength that don't implicate a statement of legal fact. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Milton L Mueller [mueller(a)syr.edu] Received: Friday, 17 Oct 2014, 5:25PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [jjs(a)dyalog.net] CC: internal-cg(a)icann.org [internal-cg(a)icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board > -----Original Message----- > - we must avoid discussing whether another body (ICANN Board, in this case) > is "authorized" or not to undertake any action. I suggest "Consistent with its I don't agree. ICANN's board is not authorized to alter the proposal. It's factually correct and the simplest way to say it. An FAQ should make things clear and simple, not obfuscate. _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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Re: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
by Joseph Alhadeff Oct. 23, 2014

Oct. 23, 2014

I would suggest a slight modification to "the ICANN Board can submit comments through the established procedures for public comment" this broader construct also covers the ability to comment on things other than the final proposal... Otherwise a very helpful draft. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos Junior [jandyr.santos(a)itamaraty.gov.br] Received: Wednesday, 22 Oct 2014, 8:36AM To: 'Manal Ismail' [manal(a)tra.gov.eg] Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [jjs(a)dyalog.net] CC: internal-cg(a)icann.org [internal-cg(a)icann.org] Subject: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Dear Manal, Jean-Jacques, colleagues, As you remember Alissa asked 3 of us (Lynn, Xiadong and myself) to draft a possible compromise text to Q#15 on the role of the ICANN Board in submitting the transition proposal to the NTIA. Here it is a possible draft that tries to merge in a single text multiple suggestions on the issue. The ICG is independent of the ICANN board. The board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal. When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. Hope it can be useful. Best regards, Jandyr -----Mensagem original----- De: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] Em nome de Manal Ismail Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de outubro de 2014 08:29 Para: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: internal-cg(a)icann.org Assunto: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Thanks Jean-Jacques .. Fair enough .. Then we still have 3 alternative drafts on the table .. Any weighing preferences from other colleagues? Kind Regards --Manal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs(a)dyalog.net> wrote: > Thanks Manal. > I still prefer my wording, which refers to a document, and that's an advantage. > If my proposal was not accepted, I could agree with Milton's suggestion (as already indicated in a previous email). > James' formulation, which merely expresses an expectation, is weaker than both Milton's and mine. > > Jean-Jacques. > > > > > ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Manal Ismail" <manal(a)tra.gov.eg> > À: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller(a)syr.edu>, "Demi Getschko" > <epusp75(a)gmail.com>, internal-cg(a)icann.org > Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Octobre 2014 11:45:55 > Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN > board > > > So here is where we stand on this now .. > > [Milton Mueller: but the Board does not have community approval to > modify or approve the ICG's proposal.] or > [Jean-Jacques: Consistent with its charter, the ICG considers that in > transmitting the Transition Plan to NTIA, the ICANN Board shall not > modify the Plan itself.] or [James Bladel: The ICG expects that its > proposal, having achieved consensus on the Coordination Group and > within the Operational Communities, will be welcomed by the ICANN > Board and dutifully transmitted to NTIA.] > > Any preferences for other colleagues .. > Jean-Jacques, mentioning you are ok with Milton's latest formulation > does this mean I should delete the second alternative? > > Kind Regards > --Manal > > -----Original Message----- > From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org > [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:50 PM > To: 'Demi Getschko'; 'internal-cg(a)icann.org' > Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and > ICANN board > > Looks like that formulation is being "authorized" er, APPROVED heh > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> +1 >> demi >> From: joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com] >> >> That works. >> >> On 10/21/2014 05:16 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote: >>> "does not have community approval" suits me. >>> >>> Jean-Jacques. > _______________________________________________ > Internal-cg mailing list > Internal-cg(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg > _______________________________________________ > Internal-cg mailing list > Internal-cg(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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ICG FAQ - reflecting comments received until 21Oct14 ..
by Manal Ismail Oct. 23, 2014

Oct. 23, 2014

Dear All .. Please find attached, and in Dropbox, an updated version of the ICG FAQ reflecting comments received at the f2f meeting and over email until 21 October 2014 .. Kindly note that I haven't crossed checked with the meeting transcripts yet but hope the attached accurately reflects all our discussions .. Also please note that we now have 3 alternative sentences as part of answer to Q#15 on ICG and the ICANN Board .. Jean-Jacques, you mentioned that you are ok with Milton's latest suggestion, please let me know if this means that I should delete your suggested wording .. If you wish, please feel free to edit the file directly using track changes and adding your initials to the file name .. Kind Regards --Manal

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Re: [Internal-cg] Meeting Archives
by Manal Ismail Oct. 22, 2014

Oct. 22, 2014

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Re: [Internal-cg] Meeting Archives
by Manal Ismail Oct. 22, 2014

Oct. 22, 2014

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Draft short version of the minutes for third ICG face-to-face meeting, 17 October 2014
by Samantha Dickinson Oct. 21, 2014

Oct. 21, 2014

Hello all I have just completed the draft short version of the minutes. These are very short (6 pages for a full day's meeting) and do not show detail of the discussion, but as requested in the meeting today, focus on providing a little bit of context to the actions and decisions of the meeting. The short version of the minutes can be found on Dropbox: <https://www.dropbox.com/s/u6purzwddud2hl7/short-minutes-third-f2f-meeting-1…> I hope you all have a safe journey home. Regards Sam

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Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
by Milton L Mueller Oct. 21, 2014

Oct. 21, 2014

What is the role of the ICANN board in preparing the proposal? The ICG is independent of the ICANN board. The board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons, who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN board, but the board is not authorized to modify or approve the ICG's proposal. When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. Milton L Mueller Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor Syracuse University School of Information Studies http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/ Internet Governance Project http://internetgovernance.org<http://internetgovernance.org/>

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ICG FAQ: review in light of f2f meeting discussions ..
by Manal Ismail Oct. 21, 2014

Oct. 21, 2014

Dear All .. Please find attached a reviewed version of the FAQ reflecting the discussion during our face-to-face meeting in LA .. Until I double check with the transcripts, I hope the attached reflects everything accurately .. Apologies in advance for anything I may have overlooked .. This is not yet in dropbox as I would like to know how the file naming should be after we have already had a final version .. I have tried to conclude the exchange on the role of the Board in preparing the proposal .. The text in square brackets are 2 alternatives as suggested by Milton and Jean-Jacques .. 15. What is the role of the ICANN Board in preparing the proposal? The ICG is independent of the ICANN Board. The Board is represented on the ICG by one liaison. In addition, there is a liaison to the ICG from IANA. Both liaisons are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the Board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN Board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN, [but the Board is not authorized to modify or approve the ICG's proposal.] or [Consistent with its charter, the ICG considers that in transmitting the Transition Plan to NTIA, the ICANN Board shall not modify the Plan itself.] When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. Also I'm not sure whether we have concluded that the below should be a separate question or part of the above answer .. 17. How will the community see the final proposal submitted by the ICG? When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, this will be released to the general public, and NTIA as well. Awaiting your feedback .. Safe travels to all who are still on their way like myself .. Kind Regards --Manal

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