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Fwd: Raise you hand in virtual meeting room - Remote participation Information - CG Mtg
by Ergys Ramaj July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

Alternatively, you may un-mute your phone line and jump into the conversation as you would if you were physically present in the room. Begin forwarded message: From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen(a)icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> Date: July 17, 2014 at 10:00:07 AM GMT+1 Subject: Raise you hand in virtual meeting room - Remote participation Information - CG Mtg You may also raise your hand in the adobe connect room https://icann.adobeconnect.com/coordinationgroup/ to flag your wish to speak. Thanks! Best Alice From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen(a)icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:56 AM Subject: update: Reminder - Remote participation Information - CG Mtg Hi all, Thanks for joining us. If you wish to jump in, unmute your line and the Team here will inform Alissa and the group that you wish to speak. Thanks Best Alice From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen(a)icann.org<mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:00 PM Subject: Reminder - Remote participation Information - CG Mtg Hi all, In anticipation of CG meeting day 1, this is to kindly remind you of the remote participation details. See below. The session tomorrow will begin at 09:00 and end at 18:00 local time (08:00-17:00 UTC - time converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CG+meeting+-+day+0…) We would like to run some audio tests prior to the meeting to ensure we are hearing you well. If available, please join us prior to the meeting (07:30 UTC would be ideal). As always, feel free to contact us should you have any questions or concerns. Thanks, Best regards Alice ---- Remote Participation Should you not be in a position to attend the meeting in person, please find below audio information on how to be connected to the room. By joining the bridge, you will be able to interact directly with the room. * Dial-in numbers may be found at: http://adigo.com/ICANN/ * Conference ID 92957255 Please make sure to not share and/or communicate the bridge details as its use is intended for Coordination Group Members only. The global multistakeholder community will be able to follow your exchanges through the virtual meeting room: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/coordinationgroup/. Coordination Group Members participating remotely in the meeting should join the adobe connect room to view any material (if any) being displayed in the meeting room. Please note that we will have interpreting services at the meeting. Links to the respective languages are available below: English: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-en.m3u French: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-fr.m3u Spanish: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-es.m3u Chinese: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-zh.m3u Russian: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-ru.m3u Arabic: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-ar.m3u Portuguese: http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-pt.m3u The documents will be projected in the virtual meeting room: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/coordinationgroup/. There will be a one-way video feed from the room in London only (remote participants will not appear on the screen). Coordination Group Members will need to join the bridge to be able to interact with Coordination Group Members in London. You may use your landline, mobile phone or Skype to dial into the bridge. To avoid echo, please make sure to mute your computer speakers as live audio from the meeting is being broadcast from the virtual meeting room. If you plan to use Skype to join the bridge, see attached instructions on how to mute the virtual meeting room.

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Process as for putting remote hands up?
by Narelle Clark July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

The process of putting hands up has NOT been shared with us on the line. Mention of Jim ?? was made at the meeting but no practical details shared. This is not helpful. Regards -- Narelle Clark Director of Operations - Deputy CEO Australian Communications Consumer Action Network Suite 402 Level 4, 55 Mountain St Ultimo NSW 2007 Ph: 02 9288 4000 Direct: 02 9288 4007 Fax: 02 9288 4019 TTY: 02 9281 5322

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Article on CircleID
by Paul Wilson July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

Some of you have seen this, some not yet it seems. http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140713_breaking_it_down_the_iana_transition… Hardly rocket science, but hopefully a useful contribution. Paul ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg(a)apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38

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This list
by Patrik Fältström July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

Is the archive available to everyone? Don't we think that is a good idea for transparency reasons? If people have comments, to what entry point do they send comments? We can not risk having people say this is not transparent. I want to ensure we are. Patrik - on vacation...but thinking

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Statement from this meeting? (plus addition to agenda)
by Paul Wilson July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

I propose that we be prepared to issue a statement immediately after this meeting, with as much substance as we have to report. If agreed, it would be helpful to bear this in mind during discussions, and progressively note any points/decisions which are candidates for inclusion in the statement. As a late order of business we can review those points and (hopefully) make a quick decision about the statement, so that it can be release immediately after. *** So please treat this as a suggestion for the agenda too. Personally I really would prefer not to wait, even until next week, to release something. Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg(a)apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38

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Proposed agenda for July 17-18
by Alissa Cooper July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

Hi all, Looking forward to working with you on this important effort. I think I know most of you, but for those who I do not: I’m Alissa Cooper, one of the IETF appointees. I work for Cisco on collaboration technologies (voice, WebEx, video conferencing). I’m currently one of the IETF’s 15 area directors. I’m based in California. I’ve attached a proposed agenda for the July 17-18 meeting, developed in discussion with some IETF/IAB colleagues. This is very much a draft so it would be great to get discussion going with comments/edits/criticisms. Since the group will be somewhat large (~30 people), I made each slot a bit on the long side. Best, Alissa

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This list
by Patrik Fältström July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

" <internal-cg(a)icann.org> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D257) Is the archive available to everyone? Don't we think that is a good idea for transparency reasons? If people have comments, to what entry point do they send comments? We can not risk having people say this is not transparent. I want to ensure we are. Patrik - on vacation...but thinking

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Misuse of BCC
by Patrik Fältström July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

By pure coincidence I saw this email in my "spam" email box. I saw it because I am on vacation and by accident looked there. May I STRONGLY say that use of BCC is not to be used, as people might not see email that is not explicitly addressed to them. Either personally or for the purpose the email is sent (a mailing list like this). So, I am hereby resending to the list so that people actually do get and see the mail. Patrik On 16 jul 2014, at 23:55, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen(a)icann.org> wrote: > Hi all, > In anticipation of CG meeting day 1, this is to kindly remind you of the remote participation details. See below. > The session tomorrow will begin at 09:00 and end at 18:00 local time (08:00-17:00 UTC – time converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CG+meeting+-+day+0…) > We would like to run some audio tests prior to the meeting to ensure we are hearing you well. If available, please join us prior to the meeting (07:30 UTC would be ideal). > As always, feel free to contact us should you have any questions or concerns. > Thanks, > Best regards > Alice > ---- > Remote Participation > Should you not be in a position to attend the meeting in person, please find below audio information on how to be connected to the room. By joining the bridge, you will be able to interact directly with the room. > • Dial-in numbers may be found at: http://adigo.com/ICANN/ > • Conference ID 92957255 > Please make sure to not share and/or communicate the bridge details as its use is intended for Coordination Group Members only. > The global multistakeholder community will be able to follow your exchanges through the virtual meeting room: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/coordinationgroup/. Coordination Group Members participating remotely in the meeting should join the adobe connect room to view any material (if any) being displayed in the meeting room. > Please note that we will have interpreting services at the meeting. Links to the respective languages are available below: > English: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-en.m3u > French: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-fr.m3u > Spanish: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-es.m3u > Chinese: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-zh.m3u > Russian: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-ru.m3u > Arabic: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-ar.m3u > Portuguese: > http://stream.icann.org:8000/coordinationgroup-pt.m3u > > The documents will be projected in the virtual meeting room: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/coordinationgroup/. There will be a one-way video feed from the room in London only (remote participants will not appear on the screen). > Coordination Group Members will need to join the bridge to be able to interact with Coordination Group Members in London. You may use your landline, mobile phone or Skype to dial into the bridge. > To avoid echo, please make sure to mute your computer speakers as live audio from the meeting is being broadcast from the virtual meeting room. > If you plan to use Skype to join the bridge, see attached instructions on how to mute the virtual meeting room. > > > > > <How to mute Adobe Connect.pdf>

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consensus definitions
by Milton L Mueller July 17, 2014

July 17, 2014

An addendum to this note: GNSO voting is structured into two "houses," contracting parties and non-contracting parties (users, essentially). No policy can pass the GNSO Council without getting some votes from both houses and (I think, but am not sure) from each stakeholder group. Thus, one could have "consensus" according to the rules below but a policy might not pass because its support is not adequately distributed across the different stakeholders. I would suggest that we assess consensus in a similar way on the CG. -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:16 AM To: James M. Bladel Cc: Internal-cg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Early draft for a charter Dear Coordination Group Members, Please find below the descriptions/guidelines James is referring to (see p. 9-10 of GNSO WG guidelines at http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-26mar14-en.pdf - or p.42-43 of the GNSO Operating Procedures http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/op-procedures-26mar14-en.pdf) The Chair will be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations: - Full consensus - when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings. This is also sometimes referred to as Unanimous Consensus. - Consensus - a position where only a small minority disagrees, but most agree. - Strong support but significant opposition - a position where, while most of the group supports a recommendation, there are a significant number of those who do not support it. - Divergence (also referred to as No Consensus) - a position where there isn't strong support for any particular position, but many different points of view. Sometimes this is due to irreconcilable differences of opinion and sometimes it is due to the fact that no one has a particularly strong or convincing viewpoint, but the members of the group agree that it is worth listing the issue in the report nonetheless. - Minority View - refers to a proposal where a small number of people support the recommendation. This can happen in response to a Consensus, Strong support but significant opposition, and No Consensus; or, it can happen in cases where there is neither support nor opposition to a suggestion made by a small number of individuals. Thanks, Best regards Alice On 7/16/14 3:07 PM, "James M. Bladel" <jbladel(a)godaddy.com> wrote: >The GNSO wrestles with this issue (consensus levels) in its policy >development process. We have developed some descriptions/guidelines >that differentiate between "unanimous" vs "consensus" vs "strong >support, with opposition". > >Perhaps on of the Staff folks could post these to the list for the >group's consideration? > >Thank you-- > >J. >__________________________ >James Bladel >GoDaddy >jbladel(a)godaddy.com > > > >> On Jul 16, 2014, at 13:30, "Daniel Karrenberg" >><daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> wrote: >> >>> On 15.07.14 20:53 , WUKnoben wrote: >>> I think the group has to be clear about the various consensus levels >>>everybody has in mind when talking about "consensus". In addition it >>>should be transparent on whose behalf CG members speak and - if at >>>all >>>- >>> participate in consensus calls. It could be helpful to mention it in >>>the charter. >> >> This is a hard problem in general. In our specific case I would go >> for the pragmatic approach: "No outspoken disagreement by anyone NTIA >> cannot ignore." This is easy to check if we liaise closely with NTIA. >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Internal-cg mailing list >> Internal-cg(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg >_______________________________________________ >Internal-cg mailing list >Internal-cg(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

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Further subdivision of IANA constituencies?
by Paul Wilson July 16, 2014

July 16, 2014

In response to the ICANN enquiry, the NRO and IAB submitted comments to suggest the constituency-based approach to transition planning, with an assumption of 3 constituencies or communities of interest in IANA services, namely names, numbers and protocol parameters. Although the CG has not agreed as such, it seems that we are proceeding in this direction. I am wondering now whether this needs more work and refinement, as we discuss the (un)likelihood of consensus within one or more communities. I think the "3-legged stool" view of IANA is valid and useful for this exercise - because the 3 communities, while they share an interest in IANA, are customers of a set of services which are almost entirely independent. So, in theory at least, we can do our work independently without too much risk of conflict. But we discussed this is breaking down in connection with the “names community”, because, it seems to me, such a community really does not exist, and may not be viable due to fundamental differences. Is there a solution for us in subdividing the names community further into GNSO, CCs, and Registries, as in fact the CG constituencies reflect. My question is whether the transition plans of these groups actually do need to be shared, or if they can be asked to lay out their plans/requirements independently, for us to then reconcile. We may find that their differences can actually coexist in the final plan, without breaking anything. Thoughts? Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg(a)apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38

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