Michael, My recollection is that we had agreed a few months ago to hold discussions on our documents on NA-DISCUSS so that everybody could participate, certified or not. If there are votes to have, then I guess these would be reserved for certified ALSes and made on the NA-ALS list, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com <http://www.lucfaubert.com/> www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca <http://www.isoc.qc.ca/> www.ccig.ca <http://www.ccig.ca/> www.maillons.qc.ca <http://www.maillons.qc.ca/> ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Maranda Sent: 15 avril 2007 18:29 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: At-Large Staff; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] RSVP deadline irrelevant/changed? Even conference calls need a little advance notice and planning. We need to have some clarity on how and when we have consensus or agreement on what next. Also, need clarity on who has standing on anything. As an applicant organization, I frequently don't know what to say... (as a result of that standing). -MM On 4/15/07, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: So reassured. Jacob had a count of who had voted for a meeting...I think it was 7/12 ALSes plus 2 ALS applicants but then consensus seemed to have been achieved around a teleconference this coming week. Then Robert today sent an email with strong suggestions for moving the meeting to Montreal. So a final decision should be made in the next few days if you want to meet in the beginning of May, as time will be short there. I'd suggest by the middle/end of this week, the group should decide on place and time for a f2f meeting before San Juan. So far you have the Yonkers option and the Montreal option for venue. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:03 PM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org ; At-Large Staff; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] RSVP deadline irrelevant/changed? Given the amount of on-list discussion regarding whether to have a face-to-face meeting and if so, where and when to have such a meeting, I'd like to suggest to staff that the "April 15" deadline for indicating travel needs -- in an invitation sent April 10 -- is not plausible. Can you please assure the NA list that if there is to be a meeting someplace, failure to respond by the 15th does not waive ICANN travel funding? Thanks, --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Executive Director, CTCNet Chicago Chapter Co-Founder, Chicago Digital Access Alliance Co-Chair, Illinois Community Technology Coalition President, Association For Community Networking Support the efforts of the Chicago Digital Access Alliance: http://www.digitalaccessalliance.org

May I suggest a netmeeting teleconference, someone can volunteer to host it, maybe on a weekend morning?

Sure. so long as there is also a way to call in from a real phone. Netmeeting doesn't run on any of the computers I use, and I suspect I am not the only person in that position. R's, John

Hi everybody, 1. I would like to make sure we all realize we are on a rather tight schedule if we want to ratify creation of the NARALO in San Juan. Remember that once we have agreed on both our OP and MOU, ICANN legal has to OK the MOU (which will take sometime) and then our MOU has to go through a 21-day public comment period. Only then can signature by ICANN and ALSes happen. The San Juan meeting is June 25-29, which doesn't leave us much time. I have updated our formation schedule at http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizati on . Please do take a look at it. This will give you an idea of what's ahead of us. I would also appreciate that ICANN staff look at the schedule and confirm that this it is realistic from ICANN's point of vue. 2. Where are we at now? We are discussing our Operating Principles because before we do anything else, we need to agree on how we'll go doing this. Our schedule calls for approval of our OP before 2007.04.27, which leaves us 2 weeks, which also puts us before any pre-San Juan meeting, so we have to do this online. In order to approve our OP we need to vote, thus the first action item in our Formation Schedule (see link above) is for every certified ALS and the group of individual users to name their 2 voting representatives and enter them at http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Contacts . This should be done before this Friday the 20th. _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com <http://www.lucfaubert.com/> www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca <http://www.isoc.qc.ca/> www.ccig.ca <http://www.ccig.ca/> www.maillons.qc.ca <http://www.maillons.qc.ca/>

Luc, You are pushing the process just to meet an artifically imposed deadline. This is irresponsible. There are some ALSs that aren't even involved in the current process... has anyone even bothered to contact them, or tried to bring them up to speed, or asked them for their views? And what about the candidate ALSs that might want to have the opportunity to join in? This whole process is suffering from a rushed ad hoc approach just because ICANN wants a major photo op at San Juan. If you're going to do this, take the time to get it done right. --- "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:

Luc and everybody

One question – will the NA ALAC nominees be the ALS reps to the NARALO? Or else they may not be on the travel list to San Juan if you wait until voting according to the schedule to submit the names.

Jacqueline

From: Luc Faubert [mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:17 AM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule

Hi everybody,

1.

I would like to make sure we all realize we are on a rather tight schedule if we want to ratify creation of the NARALO in San Juan. Remember that once we have agreed on both our OP and MOU, ICANN legal has to OK the MOU (which will take sometime) and then our MOU has to go through a 21-day public comment period. Only then can signature by ICANN and ALSes happen. The San Juan meeting is June 25-29, which doesn't leave us much time.

I have updated our formation schedule at HYPERLINK

"http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organization"

http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organization

. Please do take a look at it. This will give you an idea of what's ahead of us.

I would also appreciate that ICANN staff look at the schedule and confirm that this it is realistic from ICANN's point of vue.

2.

Where are we at now?

We are discussing our Operating Principles because before we do anything else, we need to agree on how we'll go doing this. Our schedule calls for approval of our OP before 2007.04.27, which leaves us 2 weeks, which also puts us before any pre-San Juan meeting, so we have to do this online. In order to approve our OP we need to vote, thus the first action item in our Formation Schedule (see link above) is for every certified ALS and the group of individual users to name their 2 voting representatives and enter them at HYPERLINK

"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Contacts"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Co

ntacts .

This should be done before this Friday the 20th.

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What would be a "naturally" imposed deadline as opposed to an "artificially" opposed one?

I'd say it's one where there is a significant disadvantage to missing the deadline. The ICANN board meets at least once a month by phone, and could approve an MOU at any of those meetings. The only advantage to signing an MOU at San Juan is to have a photo-op with Vint, which I personally do not find a compelling reason to rush. If we were to do it a month or two later, the photo-op could be at a later meeting. On the other hand, all current and future North American at-large users will have to live with whatever organizational rules we set up for an NARLO, so I would greatly prefer to do it right than to do it fast. It is quite possible that if people go to San Juan, you will find from talking to people outside the NARALO* that there are things you'd want in the organizing documents that hadn't occurred to you before. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. * - that is, people who would not have attended the proposed NA-only meetings in Vancouver or Yonkers or wherever

Well, at least SOMEBODY is trying to move things forward! I don't care if its an "artificial" deadline or not. Sometimes you just need some kind of a deadline for people to move on stuff. Gads, this is the very last RALO to be formed. It seems that things NEED to be moved forward. Danny, as for your comment about ALSs that aren't involved in the current process, do you mean to say that there are North American ALSs out there that are not on this list? If they are on this list then they are "involved" in my mind - they can see all of the e-mails. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:36 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; 'Luc Faubert'; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule Luc, You are pushing the process just to meet an artifically imposed deadline. This is irresponsible. There are some ALSs that aren't even involved in the current process... has anyone even bothered to contact them, or tried to bring them up to speed, or asked them for their views? And what about the candidate ALSs that might want to have the opportunity to join in? This whole process is suffering from a rushed ad hoc approach just because ICANN wants a major photo op at San Juan. If you're going to do this, take the time to get it done right. --- "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:

Luc and everybody

One question - will the NA ALAC nominees be the ALS reps to the NARALO? Or else they may not be on the travel list to San Juan if you wait until voting according to the schedule to submit the names.

Jacqueline

From: Luc Faubert [mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:17 AM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule

Hi everybody,

1.

I would like to make sure we all realize we are on a rather tight schedule if we want to ratify creation of the NARALO in San Juan. Remember that once we have agreed on both our OP and MOU, ICANN legal has to OK the MOU (which will take sometime) and then our MOU has to go through a 21-day public comment period. Only then can signature by ICANN and ALSes happen. The San Juan meeting is June 25-29, which doesn't leave us much time.

I have updated our formation schedule at HYPERLINK

"http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizat ion"

http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizati on

. Please do take a look at it. This will give you an idea of what's ahead of us.

I would also appreciate that ICANN staff look at the schedule and confirm that this it is realistic from ICANN's point of vue.

2.

Where are we at now?

We are discussing our Operating Principles because before we do anything else, we need to agree on how we'll go doing this. Our schedule calls for approval of our OP before 2007.04.27, which leaves us 2 weeks, which also puts us before any pre-San Juan meeting, so we have to do this online. In order to approve our OP we need to vote, thus the first action item in our Formation Schedule (see link above) is for every certified ALS and the group of individual users to name their 2 voting representatives and enter them at HYPERLINK

"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Contacts"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARAL O_Co

ntacts .

This should be done before this Friday the 20th.

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The mere fact that an organization is on a list doesn't imply that that they are participating. For example, has anyone heard from the representative of the Intellectual Property & Technology (IPT) Section of the Hawaii State Bar Association? --- "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:

All certified ALSes are on the ALS list. Candidate ALSes are on the Discuss list. Jacqueline

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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:41 AM To: Danny Younger; jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Luc Faubert; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule

Well, at least SOMEBODY is trying to move things forward! I don't care if its an "artificial" deadline or not. Sometimes you just need some kind of a deadline for people to move on stuff. Gads, this is the very last RALO to be formed. It seems that things NEED to be moved forward.

Danny, as for your comment about ALSs that aren't involved in the current process, do you mean to say that there are North American ALSs out there that are not on this list? If they are on this list then they are "involved" in my mind - they can see all of the e-mails.

D

Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca

-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:36 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; 'Luc Faubert'; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule

Luc,

You are pushing the process just to meet an artifically imposed deadline. This is irresponsible.

There are some ALSs that aren't even involved in the current process... has anyone even bothered to contact them, or tried to bring them up to speed, or asked them for their views? And what about the candidate ALSs that might want to have the opportunity to join in? This whole process is suffering from a rushed ad hoc approach just because ICANN wants a major photo op at San Juan.

If you're going to do this, take the time to get it done right.

--- "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:

...

Luc and everybody

One question - will the NA ALAC nominees be the ALS reps to the NARALO? Or else they may not be on the travel list to San Juan if you wait until voting according to the schedule to submit the names.

Jacqueline

From: Luc Faubert [mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:17 AM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule

Hi everybody,

1.

I would like to make sure we all realize we are on a rather tight schedule if we want to ratify creation of the NARALO in San Juan. Remember that once we have agreed on both our OP and MOU, ICANN legal has to OK the MOU (which will take sometime) and then our MOU has to go through a 21-day public comment period. Only then can signature by ICANN and ALSes happen. The San Juan meeting is June 25-29, which doesn't leave us much time.

I have updated our formation schedule at HYPERLINK

"http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizat

ion"

...

http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizati

on

...

. Please do take a look at it. This will give you an idea of what's ahead of us.

I would also appreciate that ICANN staff look at the schedule and confirm that this it is realistic from ICANN's point of vue.

2.

Where are we at now?

We are discussing our Operating Principles because before we do anything else, we need to agree on how we'll go doing this. Our schedule calls for approval of our OP before 2007.04.27, which leaves us 2 weeks, which also puts us before any pre-San Juan meeting, so we have to do this online. In order to approve our OP we need to vote, thus the first action item in our Formation Schedule (see link above) is for every certified ALS and the group of individual users to name their 2 voting representatives and enter them at HYPERLINK

"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Contacts"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARAL

O_Co

...

ntacts .

This should be done before this Friday the 20th.

_________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 HYPERLINK "http://www.lucfaubert.com/"www.LucFaubert.com HYPERLINK

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Hello all, We have 2 ALSes that are not subcribed to our lists : IPT (Hawai) and People Who. I've checked with John who has not seen participation on their part in the last years. I've sent a mail to both these orgs yesterday asking them if they're interested in participating and providing the links to both our lists. Let's see if they answer. Will keep you posted. Thanks Randy for your offer to reach out to IPT. I'd say sure, go ahead if you can. It would be nice to know if they're in or out, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com <http://www.lucfaubert.com/> www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca <http://www.isoc.qc.ca/> www.ccig.ca <http://www.ccig.ca/> www.maillons.qc.ca <http://www.maillons.qc.ca/> ________________________________ From: RJGlass | America@Large [mailto:jipshida@gmail.com] Sent: 20 avril 2007 05:12 To: Danny Younger Cc: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Thompson, Darlene; Luc Faubert; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule Good point. I think this goes back to when it took a year or so to get certified as an ALS, it seemed to me that the IPT gave up the last time I spoke to anyone there. I've personally tried to contact them through email and phone (I hesitate to just drop by uninvited, though their office is 2 blocks from where I teach). The originator of their ALS is no longer with the firm, as I'm told. I've invited his associate to meet with me on a few occasions, but we never got together. If y'all would like I could put some additional effort into getting in touch with someone, as I do know how to find them. -Randy Glass A@L On 4/17/07, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote: The mere fact that an organization is on a list doesn't imply that that they are participating. For example, has anyone heard from the representative of the Intellectual Property & Technology (IPT) Section of the Hawaii State Bar Association? --- "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: > All certified ALSes are on the ALS list. Candidate > ALSes are on the Discuss > list. > Jacqueline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:41 AM > To: Danny Younger; jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Luc > Faubert; > na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule > > Well, at least SOMEBODY is trying to move things > forward! I don't care > if its an "artificial" deadline or not. Sometimes > you just need some > kind of a deadline for people to move on stuff. > Gads, this is the very > last RALO to be formed. It seems that things NEED > to be moved forward. > > Danny, as for your comment about ALSs that aren't > involved in the > current process, do you mean to say that there are > North American ALSs > out there that are not on this list? If they are on > this list then they > are "involved" in my mind - they can see all of the > e-mails. > > D > > Darlene A. Thompson > Community Access Program Administrator > Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP > c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-6531 > Fax: (867) 979-8870 > dthompson@gov.nu.ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] > On Behalf Of Danny > Younger > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:36 PM > To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; 'Luc Faubert'; > na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule > > Luc, > > You are pushing the process just to meet an > artifically imposed deadline. This is > irresponsible. > > > There are some ALSs that aren't even involved in the > current process... has anyone even bothered to > contact > them, or tried to bring them up to speed, or asked > them for their views? And what about the candidate > ALSs that might want to have the opportunity to join > in? This whole process is suffering from a rushed > ad > hoc approach just because ICANN wants a major photo > op > at San Juan. > > If you're going to do this, take the time to get it > done right. > > > --- "Jacqueline A. Morris" > <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> > wrote: > > > Luc and everybody > > > > One question - will the NA ALAC nominees be the > ALS > > reps to the NARALO? Or > > else they may not be on the travel list to San > Juan > > if you wait until voting > > according to the schedule to submit the names. > > > > Jacqueline > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Luc Faubert [mailto: LFaubert@conceptum.ca <mailto:LFaubert@conceptum.ca> ] > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:17 AM > > To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: [NA-Discuss] NARALO Formation schedule > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > I would like to make sure we all realize we are on > a > > rather tight schedule > > if we want to ratify creation of the NARALO in San > > Juan. Remember that once > > we have agreed on both our OP and MOU, ICANN legal > > has to OK the MOU (which > > will take sometime) and then our MOU has to go > > through a 21-day public > > comment period. Only then can signature by ICANN > and > > ALSes happen. The San > > Juan meeting is June 25-29, which doesn't leave us > > much time. > > > > > > > > I have updated our formation schedule at HYPERLINK > > > "http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizat > ion" > > > http://www.icannwiki.org/The_North_American_Regional_At-Large_Organizati > on > > . > > Please do take a look at it. This will give you an > > idea of what's ahead of > > us. > > > > > > > > I would also appreciate that ICANN staff look at > the > > schedule and confirm > > that this it is realistic from ICANN's point of > vue. > > > > > > > > 2. > > > > Where are we at now? > > > > We are discussing our Operating Principles because > > before we do anything > > else, we need to agree on how we'll go doing this. > > Our schedule calls for > > approval of our OP before 2007.04.27, which leaves > > us 2 weeks, which also > > puts us before any pre-San Juan meeting, so we > have > > to do this online. In > > order to approve our OP we need to vote, thus the > > first action item in our > > Formation Schedule (see link above) is for every > > certified ALS and the group > > of individual users to name their 2 voting > > representatives and enter them at > > HYPERLINK > > > "http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Contacts"http://www.icannwiki.org/NARAL > O_Co > > ntacts . > > > > > > > > This should be done before this Friday the 20th. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ > > Luc Faubert > > Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du > > changement / > > IT governance and change management consulting > > +1 514 236 5129 > > HYPERLINK > > "http://www.lucfaubert.com/"www.LucFaubert.com > > HYPERLINK > > > " http://www.lucfaubert.com/blog <http://www.lucfaubert.com/blog> "www.LucFaubert.com/blog > > HYPERLINK "http://www.isoc.qc.ca/" www.isoc.qc.ca <http://www.isoc.qc.ca> > > HYPERLINK "http://www.ccig.ca/"www.ccig.ca > > HYPERLINK > > " http://www.maillons.qc.ca/ <http://www.maillons.qc.ca/> "www.maillons.qc.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP -- ------------------------- AmericaAtLarge.org RJPacific.com DDMF.org

Well, as everybody know, I'm in favour of the f2f meeting. I would also be in favour of the Montreal venue for all of the reasons that Robert mentioned as well as one additional: it will be a lot easier to arrange for French translations in Montreal than in Yonkers (not to mention that it will cut a full day off of my travel time). Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:19 PM To: 'Wendy Seltzer'; na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'At-Large Staff'; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] RSVP deadline irrelevant/changed? So reassured. Jacob had a count of who had voted for a meeting...I think it was 7/12 ALSes plus 2 ALS applicants but then consensus seemed to have been achieved around a teleconference this coming week. Then Robert today sent an email with strong suggestions for moving the meeting to Montreal. So a final decision should be made in the next few days if you want to meet in the beginning of May, as time will be short there. I'd suggest by the middle/end of this week, the group should decide on place and time for a f2f meeting before San Juan. So far you have the Yonkers option and the Montreal option for venue. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy@seltzer.com] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:03 PM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; At-Large Staff; travel-staff@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-Discuss] RSVP deadline irrelevant/changed? Given the amount of on-list discussion regarding whether to have a face-to-face meeting and if so, where and when to have such a meeting, I'd like to suggest to staff that the "April 15" deadline for indicating travel needs -- in an invitation sent April 10 -- is not plausible. Can you please assure the NA list that if there is to be a meeting someplace, failure to respond by the 15th does not waive ICANN travel funding? Thanks, --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP