Selection defaults to chair (OP para 13)??
13. In the event that the Chair determines that rough consensus does not exist for the selection of one or more candidates for ALAC seats, the Chair shall have final say in the selection of the NARALO's ALAC member(s). doesn't sound right to me. Why doesn't the chair call a vote? --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
...and then the 1 or 2 candidates with the most votes would be elected? Sounds good to me, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: 19 avril 2007 17:10 To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Selection defaults to chair (OP para 13)??
13. In the event that the Chair determines that rough consensus does not exist for the selection of one or more candidates for ALAC seats, the Chair shall have final say in the selection of the NARALO's ALAC member(s).
doesn't sound right to me. Why doesn't the chair call a vote?
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
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As the Chair, I'd rather not pick someone. The original goal of the draft was to avoid voting altogether, since that's a rat hole too, as we have various organizations of unequal size. On the first draft, we had passed "no consensus" situations to the Nominating Committee for resolution, but I seem to recall that ICANN rejected that option for some reason. If it's a decision between "chair picks" and "voting," however, I'd go with voting. Are there any options we hadn't considered? Bret
...and then the 1 or 2 candidates with the most votes would be elected?
Sounds good to me,
_________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: 19 avril 2007 17:10 To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Selection defaults to chair (OP para 13)??
13. In the event that the Chair determines that rough consensus does not exist for the selection of one or more candidates for ALAC seats, the Chair shall have final say in the selection of the NARALO's ALAC member(s).
doesn't sound right to me. Why doesn't the chair call a vote?
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
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bfausett@internet.law.pro wrote:
As the Chair, I'd rather not pick someone. The original goal of the draft was to avoid voting altogether, since that's a rat hole too, as we have various organizations of unequal size. On the first draft, we had passed "no consensus" situations to the Nominating Committee for resolution, but I seem to recall that ICANN rejected that option for some reason. If it's a decision between "chair picks" and "voting," however, I'd go with voting. Are there any options we hadn't considered?
How about... a conventional vote is taken, but the Chair casts an extra vote in case of a tie. Alternately, the chair doesn't vote _unless_ there's a tie. - Evan
Changed parag. 13 to: 13. In the event that the Chair determines that rough consensus does not exist for the selection of one or more candidates for ALAC seats, the General Assembly will vote. In the event of a tie, the Chair will cast an extra vote. _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: 19 avril 2007 18:33 To: bfausett@internet.law.pro Cc: Luc Faubert; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Selection defaults to chair (OP para 13)??
bfausett@internet.law.pro wrote:
As the Chair, I'd rather not pick someone. The original goal of the draft was to avoid voting altogether, since that's a rat hole too, as we have various organizations of unequal size. On the first draft, we had passed "no consensus" situations to the Nominating Committee for resolution, but I seem to recall that ICANN rejected that option for some reason. If it's a decision between "chair picks" and "voting," however, I'd go with voting. Are there any options we hadn't considered?
How about... a conventional vote is taken, but the Chair casts an extra vote in case of a tie.
Alternately, the chair doesn't vote _unless_ there's a tie.
- Evan
Yes, I like either of those options - but not the "chair picks" one. Darlene ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thu 4/19/2007 6:32 PM To: bfausett@internet.law.pro Cc: Luc Faubert; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Selection defaults to chair (OP para 13)?? bfausett@internet.law.pro wrote:
As the Chair, I'd rather not pick someone. The original goal of the draft was to avoid voting altogether, since that's a rat hole too, as we have various organizations of unequal size. On the first draft, we had passed "no consensus" situations to the Nominating Committee for resolution, but I seem to recall that ICANN rejected that option for some reason. If it's a decision between "chair picks" and "voting," however, I'd go with voting. Are there any options we hadn't considered?
How about... a conventional vote is taken, but the Chair casts an extra vote in case of a tie. Alternately, the chair doesn't vote _unless_ there's a tie. - Evan _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica... --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
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