Further on the Rules of Procedure
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative". There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason. In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative. Gordon Chillcott
Good point. The question is whether it should be a proxy or an alternative, or both. John More
On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Gordon Chillcott <gordontc@look.ca> wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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HI John, As said yesterday. It should be an alternate. In fact, At large is now requiring both a primary and a secondary alternative for each ALS. In some cases they are even asking for two alternates. Please modify the document to include this Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/29/2017 2:32 PM, John More wrote:
Good point. The question is whether it should be a proxy or an alternative, or both.
John More
On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Gordon Chillcott <gordontc@look.ca> wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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I'm in transit to New Orleans but will weigh in when I get settled. Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos. On March 29, 2017 1:34:52 PM CDT, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
HI John,
As said yesterday. It should be an alternate. In fact, At large is now
requiring both a primary and a secondary alternative for each ALS. In some cases they are even asking for two alternates. Please modify the document to include this
Best,
Judith
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On 3/29/2017 2:32 PM, John More wrote:
Good point. The question is whether it should be a proxy or an alternative, or both.
John More
On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Gordon Chillcott <gordontc@look.ca> wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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Hi Judith I hope you have taken the document and provided a shared platform ie. Google Doc to provide comments in the sidebar. Since I was chairing the meeting I too have not had an opportunity to provide constructive comments Let us know when the document will be posted. Thanks Glenn Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn@gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight . On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com
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HI John,
As said yesterday. It should be an alternate. In fact, At large is now requiring both a primary and a secondary alternative for each ALS. In some cases they are even asking for two alternates. Please modify the document to include this
Best,
Judith
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On 3/29/2017 2:32 PM, John More wrote:
Good point. The question is whether it should be a proxy or an alternative, or both.
John More
On Mar 29, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Gordon Chillcott <gordontc@look.ca> wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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HI Gordon, Yes we noticed that as well and this is being changed in the next draft. Thanks for picking this up. It will be changed Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith@jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 3/29/2017 2:20 PM, Gordon Chillcott wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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Hi, The same goes for ISOC-NY. I am going to NO as a backup. Guess I shouldn't be if I cannot carry the proxy for our voting representative. Seems like allowing a secondary who can vote in the absence of the primary would be a good idea. avri On 29-Mar-17 14:20, Gordon Chillcott wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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Avri I think that we should assume that a proxy or alternate voting representative is in place. However, it would make sense that the ALS needs to communicate to the Secretariat that the alternate or proxy does indeed represent the ALS. Just a thought, since I don’t know how this has been handled in the past. The goal is to encourage participation, so if the past practice was informal, let’s continue. John More
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Hi,
The same goes for ISOC-NY. I am going to NO as a backup. Guess I shouldn't be if I cannot carry the proxy for our voting representative.
Seems like allowing a secondary who can vote in the absence of the primary would be a good idea.
avri
On 29-Mar-17 14:20, Gordon Chillcott wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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I think that we are mixing up two issues here. One is when a person knows in advance that they will not be able to exercise a vote and choses to take some action (ie identify a proxy) and the other is the case where a Rep goes missing in action or otherwise goes not respond/vote. For the former case, we should have an explicit process to cover a specific vote or votes or a period of time. Notification to the Secretariat and the person receiving the proxy should be sufficient. There should be no restriction placed on who the proxy holder may be (sometimes it will be another member of the ALS, and sometimes another person from a different ALS who is attending a F2F meeting). Perhpas we need a rule that if a formal rep or alternate is not attending a F2F meeting, but another ALS member is, the proxy goes to them automatically. Or probably easier just to have a staff responsibility of checking and getting such a proxy sent once another traveller is identified. The ALAC will be requiring a formal representative and at least one backup (two are being considered). So it makes sense that in the absence of a proxy, the alternate also could vote. The time at which the alternate would receive a ballot will need a bit of discussion, both from the point of view of reasonableness to the regular rep and based on what staff can do without great upheaval. Once scenario could be that if the formal rep does not vote by 3 days before the end of the voting period, the alternate(s) automatically ALSO get a set of credentials. Alan At 31/03/2017 10:57 AM, John More wrote:
Avri
I think that we should assume that a proxy or alternate voting representative is in place. However, it would make sense that the ALS needs to communicate to the Secretariat that the alternate or proxy does indeed represent the ALS.
Just a thought, since I don't know how this has been handled in the past. The goal is to encourage participation, so if the past practice was informal, let's continue.
John More
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Hi,
The same goes for ISOC-NY. I am going to NO as a backup. Guess I shouldn't be if I cannot carry the proxy for our voting representative.
Seems like allowing a secondary who can vote in the absence of the primary would be a good idea.
avri
On 29-Mar-17 14:20, Gordon Chillcott wrote:
I've noticed that 3.2 of the proposed ROP requires each ALS to select one "voting representative".
There does not seem to be any allowance for a designated proxy in cases where the voting representative is temporarily unable to act for any reason.
In my own case, for example, I am not able to attend the upcoming General Assembly and my ALS has designated another representative.
Gordon Chillcott
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