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RSSAC Meeting Minutes | 6 April 2021 Meeting
by Ozan Sahin May 5, 2021

May 5, 2021

Dear RSSAC Caucus Members, The meeting minutes from 6 April 2021 RSSAC Meeting have been approved during the RSSAC Meeting on Tuesday, 4 May 2021. The meeting minutes have been posted on the RSSAC Meetings page https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/rssac-meetings-2014-05-06-en. You may also find the meeting minutes attached to this note. Best, Ozan Sahin Policy Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +90 533 641 0007 Skype: ozan.sahin.icann www.icann.org<applewebdata://021EB1F1-F6B6-443A-908F-419605BF3A61/www.icann.org>

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REMINDER: RSSAC Caucus - Principles Guiding the Operation of the Public Root Server System Meeting #3 | Tuesday, 27 April | 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin April 26, 2021

April 26, 2021

*** REMINDER *** Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus - Principles Guiding the Operation of the Public Root Server System Meeting #3 Time: Apr 27, 2021 03:00 PM Universal Time UTC Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16PaN5_liBOVuIOEoEIUApY_l25XWsL-xkzbG3db… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/98071753673?pwd=T3NGLzAzYXhLWUxvY3FyalJWdW1LUT09 Meeting ID: 980 7175 3673 Passcode: H4f9rt$&=. One tap mobile +13017158592,,98071753673#,,,,*3480440755# US (Washington DC) +13126266799,,98071753673#,,,,*3480440755# US (Chicago) Dial by your location +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 7 3185 3730 Australia +61 8 6119 3900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan +81 3 4578 1488 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 980 7175 3673 Passcode (for dial-ins only): 3480440755 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/aA4nOoj4P

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RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Teleconference #14 | Tuesday, 18 May | 13:00-14:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin April 21, 2021

April 21, 2021

Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Meeting #14 Time: May 18, 2021 01:00 PM Universal Time UTC Work party wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/IonsBw Work party Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XS2dIl_Sv1f7e4pA19QHnHEmLgRSkgEI2-zD7Tp… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/99287791279?pwd=QkxHYVVieEhkNmt6QmZyZWhaNHJIUT09 Meeting ID: 992 8779 1279 Passcode: JtNfM4$qVx One tap mobile +19294362866,,99287791279#,,,,*6261525478# US (New York) +12532158782,,99287791279#,,,,*6261525478# US (Tacoma) Dial by your location +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 7 3185 3730 Australia +61 8 6119 3900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 524 564 439 Japan +81 3 4578 1488 Japan +81 363 628 317 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 992 8779 1279 Passcode (for dial-in only): 6261525478 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/abKJiP0N8T

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RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Teleconference #14 | Monday, 17 May | 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin April 21, 2021

April 21, 2021

Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Meeting #14 Time: May 17, 2021 03:00 PM Universal Time UTC Work party wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/gInsBw Work party Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11slZDTqrcwTwywpbi3JwHuU_FoaoN54u0f3B2UF… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/93877666743?pwd=TTIvZFNXbnd4Rm0ydkVxOXdSUTlFdz09 Meeting ID: 938 7766 6743 Passcode: =u=39KH7Ma One tap mobile +13462487799,,93877666743#,,,,*3913687127# US (Houston) +16699006833,,93877666743#,,,,*3913687127# US (San Jose) Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 7 3185 3730 Australia +61 8 6119 3900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 3 4578 1488 Japan +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 938 7766 6743 Passcode (for dial-in only): 3913687127 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/acydLOxtkx

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Local Perspective Work Party: TCP vs UDP timeouts
by Ken Renard April 19, 2021

April 19, 2021

Regarding query timeout values for UDP versus TCP queries: I have run several queries with "dig" over TCP and UDP and see very little difference in the reported query times between them. Inspecting the packet trace, it is clear that the TCP handshake is NOT included in the reported query time from "dig". If we assume that the timeout is in relation to this same query timer, then there should be no need to differentiate timeout values between TCP and UDP (assuming also that UDP and TCP responses aren't significantly different in size). RSSAC047 does not specify separate timeouts for UDP and TCP queries. It does, however, distinguish between TCP and UDP threshold latencies since it includes the TCP handshake in the latency measurement. Both UDP and TCP thresholds are below the 1 second (Local Perspective) and 4 second (RSSAC047) timeouts. With that said, do we still want to have a separate timeout for UDP and TCP in the Local Perspective tool dig commands? -Ken ==================================================== #!/bin/bash ### ### Use these top 2 loops for a quick comparison and summary of UDP versus TCP timing ### # For each of these 'popular' domains, get their set of NS records, and then # directly query each of them for an SOA record via UDP. Average the time for each # domain, then average those averages. echo "UDP" for DOMAIN in google.com akamai.net facebook.com microsoft.com amazon.com wikipedia.com do for NS in `dig +short NS $DOMAIN` do echo -n $NS dig +notcp @$NS SOA $DOMAIN | grep "Query time" done | awk '{SUM+=$4} END {print SUM/NR;}' done | awk '{sum += $1} END {print sum/NR}' # For each of these 'popular' domains, get their set of NS records, and then # directly query each of them for an SOA record via TCP. Average the time for each # domain, then average those averages. echo "TCP" for DOMAIN in google.com akamai.net facebook.com microsoft.com amazon.com wikipedia.com do for NS in `dig +short NS $DOMAIN` do echo -n $NS dig +tcp @$NS SOA $DOMAIN | grep "Query time" done | awk '{SUM+=$4} END {print SUM/NR;}' done | awk '{sum += $1} END {print sum/NR}' ### ### Use these bottom 2 loops to display each query time for comparison to packet trace ### # For each of these 'popular' domains, get their set of NS records, and then # directly query each of them for an SOA record via UDP. Display the query time result # for each so that they can be compared to a packet dump echo "UDP" for DOMAIN in google.com akamai.net facebook.com microsoft.com amazon.com wikipedia.com do for NS in `dig +short NS $DOMAIN` do echo -n $NS dig +notcp @$NS SOA $DOMAIN | grep "Query time" done done # For each of these 'popular' domains, get their set of NS records, and then # directly query each of them for an SOA record via TCP. Display the query time result # for each so that they can be compared to a packet dump echo "TCP" for DOMAIN in google.com akamai.net facebook.com microsoft.com amazon.com wikipedia.com do for NS in `dig +short NS $DOMAIN` do echo -n $NS dig +tcp @$NS SOA $DOMAIN | grep "Query time" done done

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REMINDER: RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Teleconference #13 | Tuesday, 20 April | 13:00-14:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin April 19, 2021

April 19, 2021

*** REMINDER *** Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Rogue RSO WP Teleconference #13 Time: Apr 20, 2021 01:00 PM Universal Time UTC Work party wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/IonsBw Work party Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XS2dIl_Sv1f7e4pA19QHnHEmLgRSkgEI2-zD7Tp… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/94906560905?pwd=UHZWUnJWMkR2d29JS2xtZkw5dVV3QT09 Meeting ID: 949 0656 0905 Passcode: JqF%@1JKDz One tap mobile +13017158592,,94906560905#,,,,*2764141670# US (Washington DC) +13126266799,,94906560905#,,,,*2764141670# US (Chicago) Dial by your location +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) 888 788 0099 US Toll-free 877 853 5247 US Toll-free +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 7 3185 3730 Australia +61 8 6119 3900 Australia +61 8 7150 1149 Australia 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan +81 3 4578 1488 Japan 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 949 0656 0905 Passcode (for dial-ins only): 2764141670 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adYappz4nw

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REMINDER: RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Teleconference #13 | Monday, 19 April | 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin April 19, 2021

April 19, 2021

*** REMINDER *** Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus Local Perspective Tool WP Call #13 Time: Apr 19, 2021 03:00 PM Universal Time UTC Work party wiki space: https://community.icann.org/x/gInsBw Work party Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11slZDTqrcwTwywpbi3JwHuU_FoaoN54u0f3B2UF… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/95361231416?pwd=MnVQdFV1V1dSZ2Q0T3JZUlpQMDlxZz09 Meeting ID: 953 6123 1416 Passcode: ?shNh0X*MP One tap mobile +16699006833,,95361231416#,,,,*4906485608# US (San Jose) +19294362866,,95361231416#,,,,*4906485608# US (New York) Dial by your location +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) +1 929 436 2866 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) 877 853 5247 US Toll-free 888 788 0099 US Toll-free +61 8 7150 1149 Australia +61 2 8015 6011 Australia +61 3 7018 2005 Australia +61 7 3185 3730 Australia +61 8 6119 3900 Australia 1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free 1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free 1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free +1 647 558 0588 Canada +1 778 907 2071 Canada +1 204 272 7920 Canada +1 438 809 7799 Canada +1 587 328 1099 Canada +1 647 374 4685 Canada 855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free +81 363 628 317 Japan +81 524 564 439 Japan +81 3 4578 1488 Japan 00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free 0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands +31 707 006 526 Netherlands +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands 0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free 0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden +46 850 539 728 Sweden +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden 0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free 0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 953 6123 1416 Passcode (for dial-ins only): 4906485608 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/aegwG9dnIR

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ICANN70 Policy Outcomes Report is now available
by Ozan Sahin April 14, 2021

April 14, 2021

Dear RSSAC Caucus members, The ICANN70 Policy Outcomes Report is now available here: http://go.icann.org/outcomes70 The report includes decisions and outcomes from the Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees. Additionally, it features highlights of the plenary session (Registry Voluntary Commitments: Getting it Right) at ICANN70 Virtual Community Forum. Best, Ozan Sahin Policy Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +90 212 999 6218 Mobile: +90 533 641 0007 Skype: ozan.sahin.icann www.icann.org<applewebdata://021EB1F1-F6B6-443A-908F-419605BF3A61/www.icann.org>

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Guiding Principles document -- Principle #10: Autonomy and Independence
by Ken Renard April 13, 2021

April 13, 2021

One way to approach the text for principle #10 is to just briefly summarize RSSAC042 (3 sentences or less) and then reference that document. In theory, the discussion and ideas around autonomy and independence were already laid out in that document. Is there anything to add in the Principles document beyond RSSAC042? I am trying to recall, though, if that document was prepared as an RSSAC-only document or was it prepared with input from the RSSAC Caucus? -Ken

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RSSAC Caucus - Principles Guiding the Operation of the Public Root Server System Meeting #3 | Tuesday, 27 April | 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Ozan Sahin April 13, 2021

April 13, 2021

Ozan Sahin is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: RSSAC Caucus - Principles Guiding the Operation of the Public Root Server System Meeting #3 Time: Apr 27, 2021 03:00 PM Universal Time UTC Google document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16PaN5_liBOVuIOEoEIUApY_l25XWsL-xkzbG3db… Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/98071753673?pwd=T3NGLzAzYXhLWUxvY3FyalJWdW1LUT09 Meeting ID: 980 7175 3673 Passcode: H4f9rt$&=. One tap mobile +13017158592,,98071753673#,,,,*3480440755# US (Washington DC) +13126266799,,98071753673#,,,,*3480440755# US (Chicago) Dial by your location         +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)         +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)         +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)         +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)         +1 929 436 2866 US (New York)         +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)         888 788 0099 US Toll-free         877 853 5247 US Toll-free         +61 7 3185 3730 Australia         +61 8 6119 3900 Australia         +61 8 7150 1149 Australia         +61 2 8015 6011 Australia         +61 3 7018 2005 Australia         1800 893 423 Australia Toll-free         1800 945 157 Australia Toll-free         1800 317 562 Australia Toll-free         +1 438 809 7799 Canada         +1 587 328 1099 Canada         +1 647 374 4685 Canada         +1 647 558 0588 Canada         +1 778 907 2071 Canada         +1 204 272 7920 Canada         855 703 8985 Canada Toll-free         +81 363 628 317 Japan         +81 524 564 439 Japan         +81 3 4578 1488 Japan         0 800 100 5040 Japan Toll-free         00 663 381 4092 Japan Toll-free         +31 20 794 0854 Netherlands         +31 20 794 6519 Netherlands         +31 20 794 6520 Netherlands         +31 20 794 7345 Netherlands         +31 707 006 526 Netherlands         +31 20 241 0288 Netherlands         0 800 220 0040 Netherlands Toll-free         0 800 022 1954 Netherlands Toll-free         +46 8 5016 3827 Sweden         +46 8 5050 0828 Sweden         +46 8 5050 0829 Sweden         +46 8 5052 0017 Sweden         +46 850 539 728 Sweden         +46 8 4468 2488 Sweden         0 200 123 720 Sweden Toll-free         0 200 123 514 Sweden Toll-free Meeting ID: 980 7175 3673 Passcode (for dial-ins only): 3480440755 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/aA4nOoj4P

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