thoughts on language
Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:0DD3CCF8-4EEE-4DD4-BCA5-5E57CD4FBEF7] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com
Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Team, Don't want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity - or efforts at diversity - but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there's nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I'd propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America - sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity - which seems to be at the heart of Afnic's concern - is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC - including as liaisons or other officers - in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader - and we think well demonstrated - commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com | amack@amglobal.com _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
Afnic doc is here<https://www.afnic.fr/en/about-afnic/news/general-news/9954/show/afnic-reveal...>, Jimson. Thanks for jumping on this reply/rebuttal From: Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>> Date: Friday, January 13, 2017 at 3:49 AM To: Andrew Mack <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> Subject: RE: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:587893bda1a43] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com> _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
Andrew, thanks so much for your great initial [but almost complete draft in my view. I did make a few edits, in a word version. It is attached. there is a little history that is worth mentioning. AFNIC has filed comments like this over many years — into the WSIS process, citing that not enough French speakers were included. They have also pushed hard that French speakers insist on speaking French during meetings, sometimes when translation was not available In some of the UN meetings, it becomes a sort of pro forma, with the first para in French and then speaking in English. AFNIC however, also did some good work in the early days of ICANN — Elizabeth Portonoue was one of the first councilors from the ccTLDs and did an amazing amount of work on the DNSO Policy Council. Take a look at my edits and see if you are okay with them. I am just suggesting that we not reply to AFNIC, but be more general in our “information” about what we do. M On Jan 13, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> wrote: Afnic doc is here<https://www.afnic.fr/en/about-afnic/news/general-news/9954/show/afnic-reveal...>, Jimson. Thanks for jumping on this reply/rebuttal From: Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>> Date: Friday, January 13, 2017 at 3:49 AM To: Andrew Mack <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> Subject: RE: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack <B22A6682-6FCE-4B45-BAE2-94C0EE3E10F7[1].png> AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com> _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach <B22A6682-6FCE-4B45-BAE2-94C0EE3E10F7[1].png>_______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
I would prefer that we make this a general informational submission from the Outreach Committee, not a direct response to AfNIC. My edited version which is general and reminds all that we focus on the developing countries [regardless of their language -- but said gently ] is attached. M ________________________________ From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:49 AM To: amack; bc-outreach@icann.org Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:587893bda1a43] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> AMGlobal Consulting I Emerging Markets, CSR consulting, etc<http://www.amglobal.com/> www.amglobal.com AMG helps clients do more and better business in emerging markets. New Market Entry, Social Engagement, CSR consulting, etc. | amack@amglobal.com _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
Sorry Andy and Marilyn, I was already working on something attached. The next stage is bringing it together but I felt I should put it out.... Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: 1/13/17 4:10 pm To: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "amack" <amack@amglobal.com>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> I would prefer that we make this a general informational submission from the Outreach Committee, not a direct response to AfNIC. My edited version which is general and reminds all that we focus on the developing countries [regardless of their language -- but said gently ] is attached. M From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:49 AM To: amack; bc-outreach@icann.org Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Team, Don't want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity - or efforts at diversity - but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there's nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I'd propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America - sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity - which seems to be at the heart of Afnic's concern - is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC - including as liaisons or other officers - in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader - and we think well demonstrated - commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com AMGlobal Consulting I Emerging Markets, CSR consulting, etc www.amglobal.com AMG helps clients do more and better business in emerging markets. New Market Entry, Social Engagement, CSR consulting, etc. | amack@amglobal.com _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
I prefer Jimson's version over my own BUT think that we should be informative, not specifically responding to a single comment. I will make comments on Jimson's draft later today for all to consider. M ________________________________ From: Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 5:27 PM To: Marilyn Cade; amack; bc-outreach@icann.org Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: RE: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Sorry Andy and Marilyn, I was already working on something attached. The next stage is bringing it together but I felt I should put it out.... Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: 1/13/17 4:10 pm To: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "amack" <amack@amglobal.com>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> I would prefer that we make this a general informational submission from the Outreach Committee, not a direct response to AfNIC. My edited version which is general and reminds all that we focus on the developing countries [regardless of their language -- but said gently ] is attached. M ________________________________ From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:49 AM To: amack; bc-outreach@icann.org Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:587952a6e81e7] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> AMGlobal Consulting I Emerging Markets, CSR consulting, etc<http://www.amglobal.com/> www.amglobal.com AMG helps clients do more and better business in emerging markets. New Market Entry, Social Engagement, CSR consulting, etc. | amack@amglobal.com _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
While I am supportive of all these comments, I am separately concerned about the weighted voting. I am contemplating submitting a suggest for an edit that the votes for officers be non weighted voting, while policy voting remains "weighted". ________________________________ From: Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 5:27 PM To: Marilyn Cade; amack; bc-outreach@icann.org Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: RE: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Sorry Andy and Marilyn, I was already working on something attached. The next stage is bringing it together but I felt I should put it out.... Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Date: 1/13/17 4:10 pm To: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "amack" <amack@amglobal.com>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> I would prefer that we make this a general informational submission from the Outreach Committee, not a direct response to AfNIC. My edited version which is general and reminds all that we focus on the developing countries [regardless of their language -- but said gently ] is attached. M ________________________________ From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:49 AM To: amack; bc-outreach@icann.org Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:587952a6e81e7] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> AMGlobal Consulting I Emerging Markets, CSR consulting, etc<http://www.amglobal.com/> www.amglobal.com AMG helps clients do more and better business in emerging markets. New Market Entry, Social Engagement, CSR consulting, etc. | amack@amglobal.com _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson, I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached. Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final. I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary. looking forward to our comments on this. LOR On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote:
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Hi Lawrence, Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter. If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org> Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson, I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached. Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final. I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary. looking forward to our comments on this. LOR On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote:
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Thanks Jimson for your time and views on this. I did read John Berard's comments and i strongly suspect that there might be some more of such comments on various issues from our colleagues in the BC in the coming days. Where BC members strongly air their views on why the charter should not be passed, that may punch a hole in the credibility of our submission if we collectively resolve to submit this comment as one representing the views of the BC. It is my opinion that the outreach committee go ahead to post a comment aimed at creating a balance on the submission made by Afnic (without mentioning them) as it bothers around the work of the committee, whilst interested BC members or the credentials committee help draft a position to counter John's view if we so desire. LoR On Mon, January 16, 2017 8:27 am, Jimson Olufuye wrote:
Hi Lawrence,
Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter.
If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited.
Cheers,
JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org>
Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson,
I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached.
Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final.
I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary.
looking forward to our comments on this.
LOR
On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote:
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All, Just catching up after clients in town and the long MLK weekend. 1. Thanks Marilyn and Jimson for valuable inputs. Jimson, your piece is excellent. Marilyn, agree that we should move away from thinking of responding directly to AfNIC. Just want to make sure we do flag their issue. 2. Lawrence, I do agree that airing our internal differences on the comment is likely not the best way to go, but there we are. 3. With regard to this, I think we might make our best contribution by taking out the section on small business and dealing with this issue separately. While business size is a kind of diversity, the diversity I believe the community is most concerned with now is geographic and gender. Welcome your thoughts, but it might be better dealt with separately. 4. In terms of the where for our outreach in 2017, I feel strongly that we should do something in South Africa to coincide with ICANN (a big business market where we¹ve historically had no membership) and Latin America this year as promised, ideally targeting a larger market like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil where any BC members can find lots of potential friends they could introduce us to. The experience in India (which netted us a number of applications) and our ongoing success in Nigeria strike me as good models ‹ developing a regional hub where we can begin to develop critical mass for BC efforts. Would everyone be amenable to an Outreach Team call early next week to discuss and finalize our comments? Cheers, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com <http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com On 1/16/17, 11:49 AM, "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org> wrote:
Thanks Jimson for your time and views on this. I did read John Berard's comments and i strongly suspect that there might be some more of such comments on various issues from our colleagues in the BC in the coming days.
Where BC members strongly air their views on why the charter should not be passed, that may punch a hole in the credibility of our submission if we collectively resolve to submit this comment as one representing the views of the BC.
It is my opinion that the outreach committee go ahead to post a comment aimed at creating a balance on the submission made by Afnic (without mentioning them) as it bothers around the work of the committee, whilst interested BC members or the credentials committee help draft a position to counter John's view if we so desire.
LoR
On Mon, January 16, 2017 8:27 am, Jimson Olufuye wrote:
Hi Lawrence,
Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter.
If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited.
Cheers,
JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org>
Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson,
I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached.
Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final.
I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary.
looking forward to our comments on this.
LOR
On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote:
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Thanks, and let’s discuss your proposed approach on tomorrow’s BC Member call. From: Andrew Mack <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>> Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM To: Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>>, Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language All, Just catching up after clients in town and the long MLK weekend. 1. Thanks Marilyn and Jimson for valuable inputs. Jimson, your piece is excellent. Marilyn, agree that we should move away from thinking of responding directly to AfNIC. Just want to make sure we do flag their issue. 2. Lawrence, I do agree that airing our internal differences on the comment is likely not the best way to go, but there we are. 3. With regard to this, I think we might make our best contribution by taking out the section on small business and dealing with this issue separately. While business size is a kind of diversity, the diversity I believe the community is most concerned with now is geographic and gender. Welcome your thoughts, but it might be better dealt with separately. 4. In terms of the where for our outreach in 2017, I feel strongly that we should do something in South Africa to coincide with ICANN (a big business market where we¹ve historically had no membership) and Latin America this year as promised, ideally targeting a larger market like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil where any BC members can find lots of potential friends they could introduce us to. The experience in India (which netted us a number of applications) and our ongoing success in Nigeria strike me as good models ‹ developing a regional hub where we can begin to develop critical mass for BC efforts. Would everyone be amenable to an Outreach Team call early next week to discuss and finalize our comments? Cheers, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com <http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com> On 1/16/17, 11:49 AM, "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>> wrote: Thanks Jimson for your time and views on this. I did read John Berard's comments and i strongly suspect that there might be some more of such comments on various issues from our colleagues in the BC in the coming days. Where BC members strongly air their views on why the charter should not be passed, that may punch a hole in the credibility of our submission if we collectively resolve to submit this comment as one representing the views of the BC. It is my opinion that the outreach committee go ahead to post a comment aimed at creating a balance on the submission made by Afnic (without mentioning them) as it bothers around the work of the committee, whilst interested BC members or the credentials committee help draft a position to counter John's view if we so desire. LoR On Mon, January 16, 2017 8:27 am, Jimson Olufuye wrote: Hi Lawrence, Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter. If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson, I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached. Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final. I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary. looking forward to our comments on this. LOR On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote: _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
Andrew, and others regarding a call: it would have to be Monday, as I start traveling to CSTD Intercessional and CSTD WG EC [as does Jimson] next week. The J'burg meeting -- let's hear from Jimson re S.Africa as an opportunity, given that AfiCTA has presence via the ICT association. As that meeting is a four day meeting devoted to policy, we would have to give some specific development to outreach. I had already posted regarding outreach in Latin America as a priority, and suggested that we might even try to build out around the NRIs and LACIGF. M ________________________________ From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:56 AM To: amack; Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts; Jimson Olufuye Cc: bc-outreach@icann.org Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Thanks, and let’s discuss your proposed approach on tomorrow’s BC Member call. From: Andrew Mack <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>> Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM To: Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>>, Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language All, Just catching up after clients in town and the long MLK weekend. 1. Thanks Marilyn and Jimson for valuable inputs. Jimson, your piece is excellent. Marilyn, agree that we should move away from thinking of responding directly to AfNIC. Just want to make sure we do flag their issue. 2. Lawrence, I do agree that airing our internal differences on the comment is likely not the best way to go, but there we are. 3. With regard to this, I think we might make our best contribution by taking out the section on small business and dealing with this issue separately. While business size is a kind of diversity, the diversity I believe the community is most concerned with now is geographic and gender. Welcome your thoughts, but it might be better dealt with separately. 4. In terms of the where for our outreach in 2017, I feel strongly that we should do something in South Africa to coincide with ICANN (a big business market where we¹ve historically had no membership) and Latin America this year as promised, ideally targeting a larger market like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil where any BC members can find lots of potential friends they could introduce us to. The experience in India (which netted us a number of applications) and our ongoing success in Nigeria strike me as good models ‹ developing a regional hub where we can begin to develop critical mass for BC efforts. Would everyone be amenable to an Outreach Team call early next week to discuss and finalize our comments? Cheers, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com <http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com> On 1/16/17, 11:49 AM, "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>> wrote: Thanks Jimson for your time and views on this. I did read John Berard's comments and i strongly suspect that there might be some more of such comments on various issues from our colleagues in the BC in the coming days. Where BC members strongly air their views on why the charter should not be passed, that may punch a hole in the credibility of our submission if we collectively resolve to submit this comment as one representing the views of the BC. It is my opinion that the outreach committee go ahead to post a comment aimed at creating a balance on the submission made by Afnic (without mentioning them) as it bothers around the work of the committee, whilst interested BC members or the credentials committee help draft a position to counter John's view if we so desire. LoR On Mon, January 16, 2017 8:27 am, Jimson Olufuye wrote: Hi Lawrence, Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter. If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson, I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached. Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final. I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary. looking forward to our comments on this. LOR On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote: _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
This all makes sense. And just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that SME vs. large company isn't important as an issue, only asking if we want to address it as part of the same comment or part of a separate comment given John Berard's intervention. Thanks, A ________________________________ From: Marilyn Cade [marilynscade@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:14 AM To: Steve DelBianco; amack; Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts; Jimson Olufuye Cc: bc-outreach@icann.org Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Andrew, and others regarding a call: it would have to be Monday, as I start traveling to CSTD Intercessional and CSTD WG EC [as does Jimson] next week. The J'burg meeting -- let's hear from Jimson re S.Africa as an opportunity, given that AfiCTA has presence via the ICT association. As that meeting is a four day meeting devoted to policy, we would have to give some specific development to outreach. I had already posted regarding outreach in Latin America as a priority, and suggested that we might even try to build out around the NRIs and LACIGF. M ________________________________ From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:56 AM To: amack; Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts; Jimson Olufuye Cc: bc-outreach@icann.org Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Thanks, and let’s discuss your proposed approach on tomorrow’s BC Member call. From: Andrew Mack <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>> Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 9:54 AM To: Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>>, Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language All, Just catching up after clients in town and the long MLK weekend. 1. Thanks Marilyn and Jimson for valuable inputs. Jimson, your piece is excellent. Marilyn, agree that we should move away from thinking of responding directly to AfNIC. Just want to make sure we do flag their issue. 2. Lawrence, I do agree that airing our internal differences on the comment is likely not the best way to go, but there we are. 3. With regard to this, I think we might make our best contribution by taking out the section on small business and dealing with this issue separately. While business size is a kind of diversity, the diversity I believe the community is most concerned with now is geographic and gender. Welcome your thoughts, but it might be better dealt with separately. 4. In terms of the where for our outreach in 2017, I feel strongly that we should do something in South Africa to coincide with ICANN (a big business market where we¹ve historically had no membership) and Latin America this year as promised, ideally targeting a larger market like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil where any BC members can find lots of potential friends they could introduce us to. The experience in India (which netted us a number of applications) and our ongoing success in Nigeria strike me as good models ‹ developing a regional hub where we can begin to develop critical mass for BC efforts. Would everyone be amenable to an Outreach Team call early next week to discuss and finalize our comments? Cheers, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com <http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com> On 1/16/17, 11:49 AM, "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>> wrote: Thanks Jimson for your time and views on this. I did read John Berard's comments and i strongly suspect that there might be some more of such comments on various issues from our colleagues in the BC in the coming days. Where BC members strongly air their views on why the charter should not be passed, that may punch a hole in the credibility of our submission if we collectively resolve to submit this comment as one representing the views of the BC. It is my opinion that the outreach committee go ahead to post a comment aimed at creating a balance on the submission made by Afnic (without mentioning them) as it bothers around the work of the committee, whilst interested BC members or the credentials committee help draft a position to counter John's view if we so desire. LoR On Mon, January 16, 2017 8:27 am, Jimson Olufuye wrote: Hi Lawrence, Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter. If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org<mailto:icann@microboss.org>> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson, I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached. Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final. I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary. looking forward to our comments on this. LOR On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote: _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach _______________________________________________ Bc-outreach mailing list Bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:Bc-outreach@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/bc-outreach
I am out of pocket all of next week. I agree with your thinking below. -----Original Message----- From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org [mailto:bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of amack Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:54 AM To: Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts <icann@microboss.org>; Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net> Cc: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>; bc-outreach@icann.org Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Importance: High All, Just catching up after clients in town and the long MLK weekend. 1. Thanks Marilyn and Jimson for valuable inputs. Jimson, your piece is excellent. Marilyn, agree that we should move away from thinking of responding directly to AfNIC. Just want to make sure we do flag their issue. 2. Lawrence, I do agree that airing our internal differences on the comment is likely not the best way to go, but there we are. 3. With regard to this, I think we might make our best contribution by taking out the section on small business and dealing with this issue separately. While business size is a kind of diversity, the diversity I believe the community is most concerned with now is geographic and gender. Welcome your thoughts, but it might be better dealt with separately. 4. In terms of the where for our outreach in 2017, I feel strongly that we should do something in South Africa to coincide with ICANN (a big business market where we¹ve historically had no membership) and Latin America this year as promised, ideally targeting a larger market like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil where any BC members can find lots of potential friends they could introduce us to. The experience in India (which netted us a number of applications) and our ongoing success in Nigeria strike me as good models < developing a regional hub where we can begin to develop critical mass for BC efforts. Would everyone be amenable to an Outreach Team call early next week to discuss and finalize our comments? Cheers, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com <http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com On 1/16/17, 11:49 AM, "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org> wrote:
Thanks Jimson for your time and views on this. I did read John Berard's comments and i strongly suspect that there might be some more of such comments on various issues from our colleagues in the BC in the coming days.
Where BC members strongly air their views on why the charter should not be passed, that may punch a hole in the credibility of our submission if we collectively resolve to submit this comment as one representing the views of the BC.
It is my opinion that the outreach committee go ahead to post a comment aimed at creating a balance on the submission made by Afnic (without mentioning them) as it bothers around the work of the committee, whilst interested BC members or the credentials committee help draft a position to counter John's view if we so desire.
LoR
On Mon, January 16, 2017 8:27 am, Jimson Olufuye wrote:
Hi Lawrence,
Item 3.0 Removing Barrier to Small Business Membership was left there for the Charter drafting team to incorporate their response to John Berard's public comment (did you read that?). Also, my thinking is not to have an exclusive BC Outreach Comment but a general comment submitted by the BC covering all the scope of comments made now and that would come before the close of public comments on the Charter.
If that is ok, then you may need to re-edit the draft you edited.
Cheers,
JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "Lawrence OlaWale-Roberts" <icann@microboss.org> Date: 1/16/17 6:05 am To: "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com> Cc: "Jimson Olufuye" <jolufuye@kontemporary.net>, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, "bc-outreach@icann.org" <bc-outreach@icann.org>
Dear Andrew, Marylin and Jimson,
I have made an attempt here to merge all your submissions on the draft charter into one and included mine into a version 1, herein attached.
Using Jimson's comment as the base, i have tried to inculcate Andrew, Marylin and my comment into one document that still appears too bulky to pass for a final.
I suggest we remove the graphs that show BC members by Numbers and percentage except they could be made clearer any other point we find unnecessary.
looking forward to our comments on this.
LOR
On Sat, January 14, 2017 3:13 pm, Marilyn Cade wrote:
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Marilyn, Thanks for your inputs and time. Running between meetings, but my overall reactions are these: 1. Some nice adds, and I think they add, though now this feels a bit long to me. My gut is to leave out the newsletter and a few other details, just because we want them to focus on the biggest things. E.g. not sure the CROPP thing needs a separate para. Might also drop the para starting “the BC Outreach Committee prioritizes” in the interest of brevity. 2. On the India front, we have now gotten a number of new members who have applied so that is what I was thinking about. Nivaldo from Brazil is I thought a new member, and I thought there was another, but if not we can take that one back. (Wasn’t thinking of Gabi, though she has represented the BC). In any case, Chantelle can give us a rundown of the exact membership and that will guide us. 3. On the issue of language, I do think this is important to them and I see no reason not to address it directly as an aspect of diversity. If the group likes another way to say what I was saying (that we’re already somewhat diverse and open to all language groups), I’m game. Reactions from other members of the group? Good weekend all, Andrew ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:C20A7AA0-1B10-4C16-B455-31AA1CE519D6] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> | amack@amglobal.com On 1/13/17, 9:10 AM, "Marilyn Cade" <marilynscade@hotmail.com<mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com>> wrote: I would prefer that we make this a general informational submission from the Outreach Committee, not a direct response to AfNIC. My edited version which is general and reminds all that we focus on the developing countries [regardless of their language -- but said gently ] is attached. M ________________________________ From: bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org> <bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Jimson Olufuye <jolufuye@kontemporary.net<mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:49 AM To: amack; bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org> Cc: Steve DelBianco Subject: Re: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language Hi Andy, Were you able to retrieve the document referenced in the Afnic comment? I tried to but the document is not there. Cheers, JO --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [Bc-outreach] thoughts on language From: "amack" <amack@amglobal.com<mailto:amack@amglobal.com>> Date: 1/12/17 6:05 pm To: "bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>" <bc-outreach@icann.org<mailto:bc-outreach@icann.org>> Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>> Team, Don’t want to be overly defensive here, but we have a good story to tell. What they seem to be complaining about, really, is not diversity — or efforts at diversity — but language diversity, and specifically French. To my mind, there’s nothing that would keep a French company from joining the BC, but I rarely see French companies at ICANN generally. Seems a bit of a chicken and egg. What I’d propose we say is something along these lines. Please tell me what you think or if we should soften it in some way. Cheers, Andrew The BC welcomes the comments from Afnic, as expanding diversity of all sorts has been a top priority for our group for many years. This is not simply a rhetorical statement about the importance of diversity as a goal: it is a commitment to diversity and outreach as an important component of how the BC works and our longer term success. To that end, the BC has taken a leading role promoting additional data collection on the participation of women and diverse audiences as part of ICANN meetings and events. BC member attendance has routinely been very close to even between women and men. In addition, we have made increasing outreach to emerging markets and other non-traditional potential business participants a top priority. To that end, we have set aside substantial budgets from our own membership to build outreach, complementing ICANN funding in areas like CROPP but going well beyond these funds. Over the last 3 years the BC has participated in x major ICT events Africa, Asia and Latin America — sharing information about the BC, ICANN and the opportunities for participation. We have specific targets to grow membership in historically less-represented parts of the global south, have worked to create mentorship for new businesses joining the BC from less-represented regions, and have supported the participation of new attendees both through our own funds and by encouraging ICANN to select additional business representatives as part of the Fellows program. These efforts have taken time and work, but have provided results. BC membership from countries like Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and India is up significantly (Chantelle, do you have the numbers over the last 3 years?). Language diversity — which seems to be at the heart of Afnic’s concern — is important. And it is true that there are currently few French or French-speaking members of the BC. Native speakers of Portuguese, Arabic, Spanish, Hindi and other languages have played important roles in the BC — including as liaisons or other officers — in years past, and we would be pleased to welcome more French and/or Francophone voices in the BC as part of our membership and leadership. We look forward to sitting down with Afnic (and potentially with ICANN) to discuss how, working together, we could create targeted efforts to enhance participation within these specific communities, in keeping with our broader — and we think well demonstrated — commitment to promoting diversity. ___________________ Andrew Mack Principal C: +1 (202) 256-1077 O: +1 (202) 642-6429 Skype: Andrew.Mack [cid:587893bda1a43] AMGlobal Consulting 2001 Massachusetts Avenue, NW First Floor Washington, DC 20036 USA www.amglobal.com<http://www.amglobal.com/> AMGlobal Consulting I Emerging Markets, CSR consulting, etc<http://www.amglobal.com/> www.amglobal.com AMG helps clients do more and better business in emerging markets. 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