December 2022 - Gnso-epdp-idn-team

Notes and action items - IDNs EPDP Meeting #63 - 22 December 2022
by Emily Barabas Dec. 22, 2022

Dec. 22, 2022

Dear all, Please find below the notes from today’s meeting on Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC. Kind regards, Ariel, Steve, and Emily Notes - IDNs EPDP Call – 22 December 2022 Action Items None Notes Welcome and Chair Updates * This is the last call of the year. Thanks to the EPDP Team members for their contributions and commitment. * Today’s focus will be something new in the policy development context, a risk assessment exercise. This will be a subjective test and there is no defined outcome. All are encouraged to keep an open mind. * James Caulfield from the ICANN org risk management function is joining this call, primarily to observe, but may be able to answer questions about risk assessment in general and to provide guidance in that regard. * This is not the last time we will talk about the risk assessment. We will revisit this topic in the new year. Risk Assessment - String Similarity Review * Slide 4 – Why Risk Assessment? * Slide 5 – Risk Assessment Overview * Purpose: Assess the inherent risk level of the two failure modes involving domains, understand whether the mitigation measures are commensurate with the risks, and assess the residual risk level after factoring in the mitigation measures * Inherent Risk: The level of natural level of risk without doing anything to reduce the likelihood or mitigate the severity * Residual Risk: The amount of risk remaining after the inherent risks have been reduced by mitigation measures * The specific risks being assessed are: * Risk 1: Denial of Service / No-Connection * Risk 2: Misconnection * Assess the Control Effectiveness, which reflects the effectiveness of mitigation measures. The mitigation measures being considered include two options: * Option 1: String Similarity Review Hybrid Model * Option 2: String Similarity Review Level 2 + String Confusion Objection Using the Hybrid Model * Comment: The registrant is another stakeholder in this risk assessment. If two confusingly similar TLDs exist, this could be a vector for phishing, which impacts legitimate registrants. * Question: Phishing happens on a regular basis. Would this be more of a problem in IDN gTLDs if the TLD itself is confusingly similar to another gTLD? * Comment: Phishing is currently focused on second level registration under the same TLD. If the phishing is done through creating a confusingly similar TLD and then using the same string at the second level, the space for creating confusingly similar domain names increases. * Reminder: The focus of this group’s assessment for the purpose of this analysis is the top level (TLD level). * Slide 6 – How to Apply the Risk Assessment Model * Slide 7 – Step 1: Describe Risks and Consequences * Comment: people tend to mistakes in typing URLs, so QR codes are increasingly used. This example may be less relevant with time. It is worth thinking about how often people type in a URL and do not reach the intended website and think that the Internet is not working. * Comment: The risk of no connection is a nuisance. The risk of misconnection is real and can erode trust. The damage can be significant, even if it is only discovered later that, for example, the user has been a victim of phishing. * Comment: It would be helpful to have data on the prevalence of misconnection currently with ASCII (as there are not many IDN TLDs) and to think about whether we expect it will be worse with the introduction of more IDNs and with variants. * Comment: It is hard to find relevant examples in currently available data. * Slide 8-9 – Step 2: Assess Likelihood and Severity * Comment: The level of likelihood depends on the gTLD itself. For example, it’s possible that one TLD is riskier than another because of how it is used. A version of .Doctor might be riskier, for example. This maybe another layer to consider. * Response: This is a generalized way to assess across the board, as it is difficult to get so specific for the purposes of this exercise. For this exercise, we will focus on the possible new IDN gTLDs that may be introduced in the next round as a broad category. * Comment: Another factor might be whether two potentially confusable strings are in the same script or in two different scripts. * Comment: If we are trying to determine a rating for likelihood of confusion overall, it is a challenge. It’s hard to put all potential IDN gTLDs together in a bundle and look at collective likelihood. Maybe that is not the right way to look at it. * Comment: Likelihood is probability. In order to make an assessment, you need statistics. Without numbers, you are making a guess. Policymaking should be based on facts. * Response: We do have some data that was provided by ICANN org, but the specific data for the issue under discussion here is very difficult to obtain. * Comment: Since the previous round, the community has looked at data and reduced the string similarity space by discovering things that are clearly confusable and are included as part of the variant sets. * Comment: Likelihood is not the same as probability. Where there is not concrete data, you can base the analysis on professional judgment as part of risk assessment. The numbers are more about the descriptions than about a numerical score. * Comment: Ultimately, this is a tool to help the group move forward on this issue. We don’t have absolute data, but we do have a decent amount of information about the issue space. If the group is not able to come to a conclusion on the issue, it is possible to put questions for community input in the Initial Report. * Comment: Objections are based on a set of criteria. If this group decides to go with the hybrid model, the panel shouldn’t be influenced by other elements unless instructed to do so, for example the outcome of the string similarity review. That is not currently in the scope of what is anticipated for the String Confusion Objection. * Comment: The group is leaning towards the hybrid model in deliberations. The result of those deliberations was based on professional judgement, not hard data. The purpose of this exercise is to help make sure that the group understands the risk that we are trying to mitigate. Using numbers helps the group talk the issue through, using the same professional judgement. * Comment: Concern expressed by one IDN EPDP Team member about using this risk assessment approach without hard data. * Comment: As a reminder, the EPDP Team agreed that it would be helpful to go through this exercise. * Slide 10 – Step 3: Assess Control Effectiveness * Slide 11 – Step 4: Pinpoint Risk Level in Risk Rating Matrix * Comment: Regarding severity ratings (slide 9), we are starting to develop the building blocks for our process. We are looking at the range of possibilities in terms of consequences. On no connection or denial of service, these examples are not relevant. On misconnection, the consequence is usually negligible. It is possible that there could be more severe consequences in specific cases where there is malicious activity, but those numbers are likely much smaller. * Response: Risk = Likelihood x Severity. If you think that something is not likely to happen, the risk may be minimal. But if it causes severe consequences in rare instances, the overall risk could still be high. It is important to look at all angles. * Summary: The EPDP will return to this topic in the new year. AOB * Next call is 5 January 2023, starting half an hour earlier.

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Post Call | IDNs EPDP Team call | Thursday, 22 December 2022
by Devan Reed Dec. 22, 2022

Dec. 22, 2022

Dear all, All recordings for the IDNs EPDP Team call held on Thursday, 22 December 2022 can be found on the agenda wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/PYYFDQ> (attendance included) and the GNSO Master Calendar. <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calen…> These include: * Attendance (please let me know if your name has been left off the attendance list) * Audio recording * Zoom chat archive * Zoom recording (including audio, visual, rough transcript) * Transcript For additional information, you may consult the mailing list archives <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-idn-team/> and the main wiki page<https://community.icann.org/x/uAPpCQ>. Thank you! Kind Regards, Devan

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Meeting Invitation | IDNs EPDP Team | Thursday, 05 January 2023 at 13:00 UTC
by Devan Reed Dec. 22, 2022

Dec. 22, 2022

Dear all, The IDNs EPDP Team meeting is scheduled on Thursday, 05 January 2023 at 13:00 UTC for 120 minutes. Please click link to join the webinar: https://icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFzMlpsYmh0NnFjTEQwOUV1dz09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFz…> Passcode: !!0tV0Wh&K For Audio only: One tap mobile : US: +13017158592,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# or +13126266799,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# Webinar ID: 942 7627 5950 Passcode: 5259149775 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH__;!!PtGJab4!v…> If this is your first time with Zoom, please take a look here: Welcome to Zoom <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/polic…> Members, participants, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call * Please send dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-s…> * Visit the Wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/X5E-DQ * Check your time zone: https://tinyurl.com/ywt5yekk ONLY for Members and Participants * Please join via the above Main Zoom Webinar link and staff will promote you to panelist. * Please select Everyone, when posting to the chat in order for everyone to see and to be captured afterwards. Only for Observers: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. * Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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15 MINUTES REMINDER | Meeting Invitation | IDNs EPDP Team | Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC
by Devan Reed Dec. 22, 2022

Dec. 22, 2022

Dear all, The IDNs EPDP Team meeting is scheduled on Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC for 90 minutes. Please click link to join the webinar: https://icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFzMlpsYmh0NnFjTEQwOUV1dz09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFz…> Passcode: !!0tV0Wh&K For Audio only: One tap mobile : US: +13017158592,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# or +13126266799,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# Webinar ID: 942 7627 5950 Passcode: 5259149775 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH__;!!PtGJab4!v…> If this is your first time with Zoom, please take a look here: Welcome to Zoom <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/polic…> Members, participants, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call * Please send dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-s…> * Visit the Wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/PYYFDQ * Check your time zone: https://tinyurl.com/ct9kn22r <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tinyurl.com/ct9kn22r__;!!PtGJab4!_fm-3bk…> ONLY for Members and Participants * Please join via the above Main Zoom Webinar link and staff will promote you to panelist. * Please select Everyone, when posting to the chat in order for everyone to see and to be captured afterwards. Only for Observers: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. * Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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Proposed Agenda - IDN EPDP Meeting #63 - Thursday 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC
by Emily Barabas Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for our meeting on Thursday 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC. Kind regards, Ariel, Steve, and Emily IDN EPDP Meeting #63 Proposed Agenda 1. Roll Call and SOI Updates (2 mins) 2. Welcome and Chair Updates (5 min) 3. Risk Assessment - String Similarity Review (80 mins) - Review risk model and apply against denial of service/no-connection and misconnection risks - Consider whether hybrid model is appropriate given level of agreed upon risk 4. AOB (3 mins)

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REMINDER | Meeting Invitation | IDNs EPDP Team | Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC
by Devan Reed Dec. 21, 2022

Dec. 21, 2022

Dear all, The IDNs EPDP Team meeting is scheduled on Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 13:30 UTC for 90 minutes. Please click link to join the webinar: https://icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFzMlpsYmh0NnFjTEQwOUV1dz09 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFz…> Passcode: !!0tV0Wh&K For Audio only: One tap mobile : US: +13017158592,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# or +13126266799,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# Webinar ID: 942 7627 5950 Passcode: 5259149775 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH__;!!PtGJab4!v…> If this is your first time with Zoom, please take a look here: Welcome to Zoom <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/polic…> Members, participants, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call * Please send dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-s…> * Visit the Wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/PYYFDQ * Check your time zone: https://tinyurl.com/ct9kn22r <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tinyurl.com/ct9kn22r__;!!PtGJab4!_fm-3bk…> ONLY for Members and Participants * Please join via the above Main Zoom Webinar link and staff will promote you to panelist. * Please select Everyone, when posting to the chat in order for everyone to see and to be captured afterwards. Only for Observers: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. * Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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This Week's Meeting - Please submit apologies if unable to attend
by Ariel Liang Dec. 19, 2022

Dec. 19, 2022

Dear All, Since this week’s meeting (Thursday, 22 December) is close to the holiday closure, please be so kind to submit your apologies if you are unable to attend. Based on the responses, leadership and staff will discuss whether any adjustment is needed. Thank you! Ariel Ariel Xinyue Liang Policy Sr. Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

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**Corrected body of email** January - March 2023 | IDNs EPDP Team
by Devan Reed Dec. 15, 2022

Dec. 15, 2022

**Sending in advance to allow everyone to put the dates into their calendars** Dear all, Please find the .ics attachments and dates below for the IDNs EPDP Team calls taking place January - March 2023. Please download them to your calendar. Calls take place every Thursday 13:00 UTC for 120 minutes. The dates are as follows: * 05 January 2023 * 12 January 2023 * 19 January 2023 * 26 January 2023 * 02 February 2023 * 09 February 2023 **NO MEETING SCHEDULED** (due to ICANN org staff meeting) * 16 February 2023 * 23 February 2023 * 02 March 2023 * 09 March 2023 **NO MEETING SCHEDULED** (due to travel to ICANN76) * 11 – 16 March 2023 – ICANN76 The email invitation for each call will be sent out closer to the date of the meeting. The next call is taking place on 22 December 2022 and the invitation has been sent out. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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January - March 2023 | IDNs EPDP Team
by Devan Reed Dec. 15, 2022

Dec. 15, 2022

**Sending in advance to allow everyone to put the dates into their calendars** Dear all, Please find the .ics attachments and dates below for the IDNs EPDP Team calls taking place in November and December 2022. Please download them to your calendar. Calls take place every Thursday 13:00 UTC for 120 minutes. The dates are as follows: * 05 January 2023 * 12 January 2023 * 19 January 2023 * 26 January 2023 * 02 February 2023 * 09 February 2023 **NO MEETING SCHEDULED** (due to ICANN org staff meeting) * 16 February 2023 * 23 February 2023 * 02 March 2023 * 09 March 2023 **NO MEETING SCHEDULED** (due to travel to ICANN76) * 11 – 16 March 2023 – ICANN76 The email invitation for each call will be sent out closer to the date of the meeting. The next call is taking place on 22 December 2022 and the invitation has been sent out. Thank you. Kind regards, Devan

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Canceled: IDNs EPDP Team meeting
by ICANN Policy Calendar Dec. 15, 2022

Dec. 15, 2022

Meeting: IDNs EPDP Team meeting Pattern: Weekly on Thursday’s 05 January 2023 – 02 March 2023 at 13:00 UTC for 2 hours Please click the link to join the webinar: https://icann.zoom.us/j/94276275950?pwd=dG5hanFzMlpsYmh0NnFjTEQwOUV1dz09 Passcode: !!0tV0Wh&K For Audio only: One tap mobile : US: +13017158592,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# or +13126266799,,94276275950#,,,,*5259149775# Webinar ID: 942 7627 5950 Passcode: 5259149775 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adP1jJ0gRH If this is your first time with Zoom, please take a look here: Welcome to Zoom <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/polic…> Members, participants, and observers all have different access and participation directions, please read below! ALL: Before joining the call * Please send dial out requests to gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> only * Please be sure you have read the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-s…> * Visit the agenda wiki page (05 January): https://community.icann.org/x/X5E-DQ * For other places see (05 January): https://tinyurl.com/ywt5yekk ONLY for Members and Participants * Please join via the above Main Zoom Webinar link and staff will promote you to panelist. * Please select Everyone, when posting to the chat in order for everyone to see and to be captured afterwards. Only for Observers: * Observers will have ability to view member chat and information shared in the zoom webinar room. * Observers will not be able to use chat or raise hands.

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