If those we have selected as Next Gen are disappearing afterwards, that would suggest that either our selection criteria need to be reexamined or we have a serious need to provide some form of transition to regular participation.   Whether there is the same need with Fellows depends on what the goals of the fellowship program are.  That is, are we looking to increase awareness across the outside world?  Or do we hope for involvement with ICANN and/or the other institutions of Internet governance?  Bill Jouris.   Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:10 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC<alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

This is all good stuff. We aren’t going to capture everyone. That said, when we DO get a new active participant, we need to make sure we recognize it and give that volunteer all the tools we can to actively engage. No one is talking about sacrificing anyone, especially if they are meaningfully engaged in the work we do, veterans or not. Simply put, our focus could be on getting active volunteers to the meetings. In any case, we’ll discuss further, for sure. From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 11:00 AM To: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Cc: Glenn McKnight via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; Melissa Allgood <melissa.allgood@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] At-Large Travel Fresh Start Hi Bill I have only seen one report-survey of past fellows and their engagement and it was pretty obvious that the vast majority is AWOL. Dev and myself created a database of the NexGen and Fellows and it shows the number of repeat fellowships which could be construed as potential active member. Please note that the Fellowship only recently allowed European and North Americans Here is the list we created https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15882YWPkhx-Gv2tAEPBdJPJKK5QBjvsX2_mv... G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 at 13:48, Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com<mailto:b_jouris@yahoo.com>> wrote: If those we have selected as Next Gen are disappearing afterwards, that would suggest that either our selection criteria need to be reexamined or we have a serious need to provide some form of transition to regular participation. Whether there is the same need with Fellows depends on what the goals of the fellowship program are. That is, are we looking to increase awareness across the outside world? Or do we hope for involvement with ICANN and/or the other institutions of Internet governance? Bill Jouris. Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer<https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=NativePlacement&c=Global_Acquisition_Y...> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:10 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

Hi Dev and all Its an important point that before Dev and I created the database the information was not organized nor the ability to do any analysis. G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655* On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 09:31, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

Just a correction to the ICANN Stakeholder Tool which is at http://bitly.com/ICANNST ; for a background behind the tool, see https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN+Stakeholder+Analysis+Tool

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:01 PM Glenn McKnight via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

...

Hi Bill I have only seen one report-survey of past fellows and their engagement and it was pretty obvious that the vast majority is AWOL. Dev and myself created a database of the NexGen and Fellows and it shows the number of repeat fellowships which could be construed as potential active member. Please note that the Fellowship only recently allowed European and North Americans Here is the list we created

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15882YWPkhx-Gv2tAEPBdJPJKK5QBjvsX2_mv... G

Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655*

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 at 13:48, Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

If those we have selected as Next Gen are disappearing afterwards, that would suggest that either our selection criteria need to be reexamined or we have a serious need to provide some form of transition to regular participation.

Whether there is the same need with Fellows depends on what the goals of the fellowship program are. That is, are we looking to increase awareness across the outside world? Or do we hope for involvement with ICANN and/or the other institutions of Internet governance?

Bill Jouris.

Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=NativePlacement&c=Global_Acquisition_Y...>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:10 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac

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Hi Vanda I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL that the you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole. If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male. This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits can come from this program. After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity. Alas, I don't think this has been achieved. The absence of real marketing outreach to Women in Engineering, IEEE etc to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem. Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy. Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers" perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit g Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655* On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 10:07, Vanda Scartezini via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Dear all

Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.

I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value, no matter if technical, managerial, or social.

However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance.

This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life.

Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction.

To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to start focusing on those areas where new members are employees of government or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement. At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers. All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.

ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model.

New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.

I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation.

I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests.

I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.

My two cents

Kisses to all

*Vanda Scartezini *

*DNS WOMEN *

*Sao Paulo, Brazil*

*+ 55 11 98181-1464*

*Vanda@Scartezini.org*

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*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Date: *Thursday, 18 April 2024 at 04:27 *To: *Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc: *Marita Moll <marita.moll@gmail.com>, Melissa Allgood < melissa.allgood@icann.org>, ALAC Work <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] At-Large Travel Fresh Start

Hello Jonathan and everyone,

Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes.

I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics. You can find our article on this topic here: https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec... with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere.

Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.

Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.

Best regards,

Joanna

śr., 17 kwi 2024 o 16:04 Jonathan Zuck via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> napisał(a):

Dear All,

Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy. I want you to know that we have heard your concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to participate and we are actively planning for the future.

For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots.

For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations

For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls.

The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws. Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.

Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.

Jonathan

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In the Caribbean region many of us wear different hats as a result of limited volunteer resources. This sometimes puts pressure on effective participation especially with the implementation of metrics that can be challenging. We are the ICANN proletariat. We are not paid but the expectations of us are high. That can be discouraging especially to potential recruits for the cause. ICANN sometimes feels like rarified air with a small group of sharpies who understand the process. How you persuade the next million to participate will depend on how we treat issues such as these. Lance Hinds Vice Chair, LACRALO On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 1:12 PM Fatimata Seye Sylla via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Echoing Vanda and Glen about the Atlarge volunteer model and women involvement. Mainly in developing countries and specially in Africa, it is difficult for a professional woman to find extra time to dedicate to ICANN with the necessary focus, no matter how interested she can be. Full time job at work and at home and volunteer !!!

Let’s think about how to improve the ICANN volunteer model to be more inclusive.

Fatimata

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On Apr 18, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Hi Vanda I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL that the you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole. If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male. This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits can come from this program. After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity. Alas, I don't think this has been achieved. The absence of real marketing outreach to Women in Engineering, IEEE etc to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem. Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy. Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers" perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit

g Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655*

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 10:07, Vanda Scartezini via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

...

Dear all

Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.

I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value, no matter if technical, managerial, or social.

However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance.

This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life.

Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction.

To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to start focusing on those areas where new members are employees of government or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement. At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers. All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.

ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model.

New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.

I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation.

I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests.

I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.

My two cents

Kisses to all

*Vanda Scartezini *

*DNS WOMEN *

*Sao Paulo, Brazil*

*+ 55 11 98181-1464*

*Vanda@Scartezini.org <Vanda@Scartezini.org>*

*www.dnswomen.org <http://www.dnswomen.org>*

*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Date: *Thursday, 18 April 2024 at 04:27 *To: *Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc: *Marita Moll <marita.moll@gmail.com>, Melissa Allgood < melissa.allgood@icann.org>, ALAC Work <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] At-Large Travel Fresh Start

Hello Jonathan and everyone,

Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes.

I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics. You can find our article on this topic here: https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec... with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere.

Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.

Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.

Best regards,

Joanna

śr., 17 kwi 2024 o 16:04 Jonathan Zuck via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> napisał(a):

Dear All,

Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy. I want you to know that we have heard your concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to participate and we are actively planning for the future.

For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots.

For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations

For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls.

The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws. Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.

Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.

Jonathan

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Hello dear all! Thank you for this discussion, food for mind, and understanding which path (with what different introductory obstacles or vice versa - help, stipendien and encouragement) the newcomers of the community go through. This is a huge complex of analysis and work. In neighboring ICANN constituencies we see how it is implemented (or don`t know and want to know more). To all of the above, I can add: 1. In any organization, performance assessment should be two-sided: to evaluate not only people and their contributions, but also to evaluate the effectiveness of the organization's business processes, and the range of opportunities and conditions provided by the community for volunteers. 2. When in our community of volunteers, represented in such a diverse way (not only by members, but also by living conditions, the economy and the current situation in different countries, not equal access to work opportunities in the community, the unavailability (yet) of multilingual support for all working processes, different opportunities for involvement in the three pillars of At-Large activities), the idea to implement metrics, the evaluation of indicators with minimal probability will lead us to the possibility of linearly and equally evaluating the contribution of members communities in its development. We can still see that not all regions (not all RALOs, leaders) express concerns about this precedent, which is also a reflection of how we, the community, understand and present diversity. And it's not just about gender only, unfortunately. Sincerely, Natalia Filina Secretary of EURALO https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/euralo ALAC Subcommittee on Outreach and Engagement, Co-Chair, REGIONAL OUTREACH LIAISON MENTOR AND TRAINER DotDucky <https://dotducky.com/> owner 🐣 +7 906 722 54 61 Moscow, Russia чт, 18 апр. 2024 г. в 21:02, Glenn McKnight via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>:

Hi All Thank you Fatimata to adding a concrete example on how women are discriminated due to their massive amount of extra work/family obligations. I like to also bring up another group that is invisible which is 15% of our population, its the Persons with Disabilities. I believe strongly that we should be proving the ways and means for these individuals have an opportunity to be involved. An interesting event yesterday held by CIRA on multistakeholderism failed to include Closed Captioning where they prided themselves on being inclusive. We need to rethink how inclusive we actually are.

Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655*

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 13:12, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Echoing Vanda and Glen about the Atlarge volunteer model and women involvement. Mainly in developing countries and specially in Africa, it is difficult for a professional woman to find extra time to dedicate to ICANN with the necessary focus, no matter how interested she can be. Full time job at work and at home and volunteer !!!

Let’s think about how to improve the ICANN volunteer model to be more inclusive.

Fatimata

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On Apr 18, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Hi Vanda I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL that the you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole. If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male. This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits can come from this program. After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity. Alas, I don't think this has been achieved. The absence of real marketing outreach to Women in Engineering, IEEE etc to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem. Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy. Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers" perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit

g Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655*

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 10:07, Vanda Scartezini via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

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Dear all

Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.

I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value, no matter if technical, managerial, or social.

However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance.

This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life.

Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction.

To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to start focusing on those areas where new members are employees of government or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement. At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers. All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.

ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model.

New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.

I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation.

I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests.

I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.

My two cents

Kisses to all

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Hello Jonathan and everyone,

Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes.

I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics. You can find our article on this topic here: https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec... with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere.

Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.

Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.

Best regards,

Joanna

śr., 17 kwi 2024 o 16:04 Jonathan Zuck via ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> napisał(a):

Dear All,

Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy. I want you to know that we have heard your concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to participate and we are actively planning for the future.

For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots.

For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations

For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls.

The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws. Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.

Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.

Jonathan

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So many issues to consider that need to be aired. ICANN has a Diversity and Inclusion Toolkit at: https://media.hemsleyfraser.com/icann-diversity-inclusion-toolkit/ This is based on the work of the CCWG-Accountability WS2 and its final report. Recommendation 1.3 was for each SO/AC/group to assess the diversity of all its structures and then to develop objectives and strategies to achieve increased diversity where needed. This is a considerable task (as we know) and much strategic and practical thinking needs to be done - together with support from Org to achieve this as already discussed. I'm raising this here as welcoming volunteers and encouraging them to be active means they need to feel supported. We know, for example, this is the case for persons with disability. We're on the right path but as Judith has pointed out, much more can be done. Wanted to share that APAC staff will be participating in an online introduction to disability awareness on 28th May. Maybe something for other groups as well? Gunela Astbrink Maureen Hilyard via ALAC wrote on 20/4/2024 03:25 :

Thoughtful and very pertinent additions to the continuing discussion about volunteerism within At-Large.

M

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024, 12:53 am Natalia Filina via ALAC, <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:

Hello dear all! Thank you for this discussion, food for mind, and understanding which path (with what different introductory obstacles or vice versa - help, stipendien  and encouragement) the newcomers of the community go through. This is a huge complex of analysis and work. In neighboring ICANN constituencies we see how it is implemented (or don`t know and want to know more).

To all of the above, I can add: 1. In any organization, performance assessment should be two-sided: to evaluate not only people and their contributions, but also to evaluate the effectiveness of the organization's business processes, and the range of opportunities and conditions provided by the community for volunteers.

2. When in our community of volunteers, represented in such a diverse way (not only by members, but also by living conditions, the economy and the current situation in different countries, not equal access to work opportunities in the community, the unavailability (yet) of multilingual support for all working processes, different opportunities for involvement in the three pillars of At-Large activities), the idea to implement metrics, the evaluation of indicators with minimal probability will lead us to the possibility of linearly and equally evaluating the contribution of members communities in its development.

We can still see that not all regions (not all RALOs, leaders) express concerns about this precedent, which is also a reflection of how we, the community, understand and present diversity. And it's not just about gender only, unfortunately.

Sincerely, Natalia Filina

Secretary of EURALO https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/euralo <https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/euralo>

ALAC Subcommittee on Outreach and Engagement, Co-Chair, REGIONAL OUTREACH LIAISON MENTOR AND TRAINER

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чт, 18 апр. 2024 г. в 21:02, Glenn McKnight via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>:

Hi All Thank you Fatimata to adding a concrete example on how women are discriminated due to their massive amount of extra work/family obligations. I like to also bring up another group that is invisible which is 15% of our population, its the Persons with Disabilities.   I believe strongly that we should be proving the ways and means for these individuals have an opportunity to be involved.   An interesting event yesterday held by CIRA on multistakeholderism failed to include  Closed Captioning where they prided themselves on being inclusive.   We need to rethink how inclusive we actually are.

Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org <http://www.virtualsig.org> *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile  437-237-4655*

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 13:12, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com <mailto:fsylla@gmail.com>> wrote:

Echoing Vanda and Glen about the Atlarge volunteer model and women involvement. Mainly in developing countries and specially in Africa, it is difficult for a professional woman to find extra time to dedicate to ICANN with the necessary focus, no matter how interested she can be.  Full time job at work and at home and volunteer !!!

Let’s think about how to improve the ICANN volunteer model to be more inclusive.

Fatimata

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 18, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:

...

Hi Vanda I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL  that the  you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole.  If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme  using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male.  This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits  can come from this program.  After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity.  Alas, I don't think this has been achieved.  The absence of real  marketing outreach to Women in Engineering,  IEEE  etc  to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem.  Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy.   Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers"  perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit

g Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org <http://www.virtualsig.org> *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile  437-237-4655*

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 10:07, Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:

Dear all____

Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.____

I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value, no matter if technical, managerial, or social. ____

However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance. ____

This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life. ____

Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction. ____

To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to  start focusing on those areas  where new members are employees of government or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement.  At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers. All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.____

ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model. ____

New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.____

I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation. ____

I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests. ____

I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.____

My two cents ____

Kisses to all____

__ __

/Vanda Scartezini ____/

/DNS WOMEN ____/

/Sao Paulo, Brazil____/

/+ 55 11 98181-1464____/

/Vanda@Scartezini.org <mailto:Vanda@Scartezini.org>//____/

/www.dnswomen.org <http://www.dnswomen.org>/____

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*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> *Date: *Thursday, 18 April 2024 at 04:27 *To: *Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> *Cc: *Marita Moll <marita.moll@gmail.com <mailto:marita.moll@gmail.com>>, Melissa Allgood <melissa.allgood@icann.org <mailto:melissa.allgood@icann.org>>, ALAC Work <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] At-Large Travel Fresh Start____

Hello Jonathan and everyone,

Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes.

I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics. You can find our article on this topic here: https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec... <https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec...> with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere.

Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.

Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.

Best regards,

Joanna

__ __

śr., 17 kwi 2024 o 16:04 Jonathan Zuck via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> napisał(a):

Dear All, ____

____

Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy.  I want you to know that we have heard your concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to participate and we are actively planning for the future.____

____

For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots. ____

____

For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations ____

____

For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls. ____

____

The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws. Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.____

____

Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.____

____

Jonathan____

____

____

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As I read the conversation trail I have mixed feelings.

A part of me asks that with twenty years of the existence and operation of the At-Large under our belt, what is the state of the At-Large? We range from the very underserved in the south to the highly proficient in the North. Does ICANN, with its focus and priorities, still continue to be fit for purpose? Can ICANN reach the next million without functional changes?

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So many issues to consider that need to be aired.

ICANN has a Diversity and Inclusion Toolkit at: https://media.hemsleyfraser.com/icann-diversity-inclusion-toolkit/ This is based on the work of the CCWG-Accountability WS2 and its final report. Recommendation 1.3 was for each SO/AC/group to assess the diversity of all its structures and then to develop objectives and strategies to achieve increased diversity where needed.

This is a considerable task (as we know) and much strategic and practical thinking needs to be done - together with support from Org to achieve this as already discussed.

I'm raising this here as welcoming volunteers and encouraging them to be active means they need to feel supported. We know, for example, this is the case for persons with disability. We're on the right path but as Judith has pointed out, much more can be done.

Wanted to share that APAC staff will be participating in an online introduction to disability awareness on 28th May. Maybe something for other groups as well?

Gunela Astbrink

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Thoughtful and very pertinent additions to the continuing discussion about volunteerism within At-Large.

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On Fri, 19 Apr 2024, 12:53 am Natalia Filina via ALAC, <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:

Hello dear all! Thank you for this discussion, food for mind, and understanding which path (with what different introductory obstacles or vice versa - help, stipendien and encouragement) the newcomers of the community go through. This is a huge complex of analysis and work. In neighboring ICANN constituencies we see how it is implemented (or don`t know and want to know more).

To all of the above, I can add: 1. In any organization, performance assessment should be two-sided: to evaluate not only people and their contributions, but also to evaluate the effectiveness of the organization's business processes, and the range of opportunities and conditions provided by the community for volunteers.

2. When in our community of volunteers, represented in such a diverse way (not only by members, but also by living conditions, the economy and the current situation in different countries, not equal access to work opportunities in the community, the unavailability (yet) of multilingual support for all working processes, different opportunities for involvement in the three pillars of At-Large activities), the idea to implement metrics, the evaluation of indicators with minimal probability will lead us to the possibility of linearly and equally evaluating the contribution of members communities in its development.

We can still see that not all regions (not all RALOs, leaders) express concerns about this precedent, which is also a reflection of how we, the community, understand and present diversity. And it's not just about gender only, unfortunately.

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Hi All Thank you Fatimata to adding a concrete example on how women are discriminated due to their massive amount of extra work/family obligations. I like to also bring up another group that is invisible which is 15% of our population, its the Persons with Disabilities. I believe strongly that we should be proving the ways and means for these individuals have an opportunity to be involved. An interesting event yesterday held by CIRA on multistakeholderism failed to include Closed Captioning where they prided themselves on being inclusive. We need to rethink how inclusive we actually are.

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 13:12, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com <mailto:fsylla@gmail.com>> wrote:

Echoing Vanda and Glen about the Atlarge volunteer model and women involvement. Mainly in developing countries and specially in Africa, it is difficult for a professional woman to find extra time to dedicate to ICANN with the necessary focus, no matter how interested she can be. Full time job at work and at home and volunteer !!!

Let’s think about how to improve the ICANN volunteer model to be more inclusive.

Fatimata

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Hi Vanda I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL that the you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole. If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male. This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits can come from this program. After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity. Alas, I don't think this has been achieved. The absence of real marketing outreach to Women in Engineering, IEEE etc to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem. Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy. Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers" perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit

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Dear all____

Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.____

I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value, no matter if technical, managerial, or social. ____

However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance. ____

This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life.

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Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction. ____

To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to start focusing on those areas where new members are employees of government or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement. At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers. All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.____

ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model. ____

New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.____

I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation. ____

I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests. ____

I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.____

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Hello Jonathan and everyone,

Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes.

I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics. You can find our article on this topic here:

https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec... < https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec...> with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere.

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Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.

Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.

Best regards,

Joanna

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Dear All, ____

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Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy. I want you to know that we have heard your concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to participate and we are actively planning for the future.____

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For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots. ____

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For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations ____

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For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls. ____

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The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws. Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.____

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Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.____

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Jonathan____

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HI Glenn and others, Thanks for this.  We are not very inclusive at all and need to work much harder on this.  This year, some fellows with disabilities had issues with the fellowship application and ICANN Learn program.  It seems several of the mandatory videos are not accessible for persons with disabilities.  This is really not good. While the Fellowship responded immediately, I am not sure a solution was ever found.  Also, some fellows who are persons with disability may need to come to/attend ICANN with a guide or helper.  Many groups do not allow that since it raises the cost of the person. For the IGF, the Dynamic Coalition for accessibility and Disability on our application for our disability fellows program asks, the question. What accessibility requirements do you have, and we give the option to fund a guide for a person. In last year's fellowship it worked well and the person needing the guide was able to attend and contribute in other programs which do not offer this ability they feel they cannot partake in the program and that is really too bad. It is not only important to have RTT at a meeting, what you need is human captioning at all workshops along with language interpretation. Also, all material needs to be accessible and many are not. It would be great if the fellowship and next gen programs were more accessible and also even after ICANN Learn said the new courses were accessible, many are not.  Just as ICANN has all of its websites tested for accessibility by an outside firm, ICANN Learn should also do that with all of it learning materials. I definitely agree with you that we need to put much more thought into how accessible and inclusive our programs, learning resources and other items are. Just a few thoughts on this topic Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail:Judith@jhellerstein.com Website:www.jhellerstein.com Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 4/18/24 9:00 PM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC wrote:

Hi All Thank you Fatimata to adding a concrete example on how women are discriminated due to their massive amount of extra work/family obligations. I like to also bring up another group that is invisible which is 15% of our population, its the Persons with Disabilities.   I believe strongly that we should be proving the ways and means for these individuals have an opportunity to be involved.   An interesting event yesterday held by CIRA on multistakeholderism  failed to include  Closed Captioning where they prided themselves on being inclusive.   We need to rethink how inclusive we actually are.

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 13:12, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla@gmail.com> wrote:

Echoing Vanda and Glen about the Atlarge volunteer model and women involvement. Mainly in developing countries and specially in Africa, it is difficult for a professional woman to find extra time to dedicate to ICANN with the necessary focus, no matter how interested she can be.  Full time job at work and at home and volunteer !!!

Let’s think about how to improve the ICANN volunteer model to be more inclusive.

Fatimata

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On Apr 18, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Glenn McKnight via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

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Hi Vanda I recall at the DNS Women meeting in KL  that the  you mentioned that few Young Women desired to become involved in DNS Women and ICANN as a whole.  If you recall I did some research on the fellowship programme  using the database created by Dev and myself and we found the majority of fellows are male.  This is a serious problem given the fact an important entry point for ICANN new recruits  can come from this program.  After speaking to Egrys on this issue the issue was addressed in having gender parity.  Alas, I don't think this has been achieved.  The absence of real  marketing outreach to  Women in Engineering,  IEEE  etc  to recruit women to apply we will end up with same problem.  Again we will complain of the lack of participation and we fail to address the lack of proper marketing strategy.  Recently I was on the ARIN fellowship selection committee and the quality of the candidates was superb and very few ' free trippers"  perhaps we can learn from other organizations how to recruit

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 10:07, Vanda Scartezini via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Dear all

Thanks for these debates. I am quite interested in how to attract new members to At Large (ALAC) and especially young future leaders.

I believe, we, long-term members without business interests are continuing to attend ICANN because we like it, and we see we can add some, in our views, relevant value, no matter if technical, managerial, or social.

However, looking back, more and more we are now just a few of those financially disinterested people, compared with the large ICANN group with a financial interest in being part of ICANN - this financial interest can be any resource that pays your bills. Can be organizations with direct ICANN interest or can be government, for instance.

This is even more relevant for young new member starting or in the middle of their professional life.

Hence, we, with no financial interest I believe, are a group in extinction.

To have new members to actively participating in the At Large organization maybe it is time to  start focusing on those areas  where new members are employees of government or companies with financial interest but also nterested also in the social side, or even a R&D organizations in order to allow new members to At Large to see advantages to their engagement.  At Large is the only group that still have some real volunteers. All other groups members have some financial interest allowing them to dedicate their time to work for ICANN.

ICANN needs to rethink its volunteer model.

New members that came with energy only will continue if they get any other financial support to dedicate time to At Large work.

I, member of those in extinction full volunteer, will continue to follow ICANN while I feel I can be useful, and I still recognize some personal value in my participation.

I do not expect NexGen to buy our model, and even only fewer fellows will do it without the support of its business interests.

I have no criticism of anyone with business interests, but we need to think about how the At Large equation will really survive in the next 5 or more years.

My two cents

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*From: *ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Joanna Kulesza via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Date: *Thursday, 18 April 2024 at 04:27 *To: *Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc: *Marita Moll <marita.moll@gmail.com>, Melissa Allgood <melissa.allgood@icann.org>, ALAC Work <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] At-Large Travel Fresh Start

Hello Jonathan and everyone,

Thank you for reigniting this useful discussion. Exploring metrics and incentives seems particularly relevant as the landscape of "young recruits" evolves, placing the At-Large community at the forefront of these changes.

I am certain that my co-authors (included in the CC) would also be eager to revisit the discussion we initiated following our community's experience during the pandemic, particularly concerning volunteer support and contribution metrics. You can find our article on this topic here: https://circleid.com/posts/20220328-facing-the-future-of_icann_volunteer-rec... with references to specific metrics deployed elsewhere.

Additionally, Maureen initiated a dedicated communication with the Board on this issue around the same time, with the kind facilitation of Leon. I am certain we would all be glad to contribute to a meaningful discussion on enhancing support for our volunteer-based community and enhancing its outputs.

Once again, thank you, Jonathan and team, for initiating this conversation.

Best regards,

Joanna

śr., 17 kwi 2024 o 16:04 Jonathan Zuck via ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> napisał(a):

Dear All,

Thank you again for your feedback on the At-Large travel policy.  I want you to know that we have heard your concerns regarding the proposed At-Large travel policy and we want to keep discussing it with you. The need for an objective, utilitarian and flexible travel policy still exits to ensure that those actively engaged in ICANN work are in the best position to participate and we are actively planning for the future.

For ICANN80, we propose to revert to the allocation of 15 slots to the ALAC, 10 to the five RALOs and 3 for ALAC Liaisons and one for the ALAC Chair. Given that 3 ALAC members are unable to travel to Kigali, we would like to offer them to AFRALO to allocate as they wish. These 3 slots are unused ALAC slots so they are not drawn from expected slots.

For ICANN81, as this is the Annual General Meeting, we will also use the allocation which also supports the travel for outgoing, incoming, and continuing ALAC and Regional Leaders, according to their regional rotations

For the longer-term development of an At-Large travel policy, starting as early as May 2024, we suggest engaging in regional listening sessions where everyone has the opportunity to share their views and explain any concerns in a structured manner. Should you agree, we’ve asked Melissa Allgood, a member of ICANN org specializing in conflict resolution, to lead these discussions as a neutral facilitator. Melissa will not act as a representative of ICANN org, but rather will structure our dialogue to ensure that all participants are heard and their views considered. We will work with RALO leaders to include these listening sessions at a time that best meets the needs of each region, perhaps during scheduled monthly calls.

The development of a formal At-Large travel policy will take some time and we would like for all voices to be heard and considered. Ideally, we would like to work jointly with you - - in eliminating subjective answers with agreed, objective metrics that meet well crafted expectations of volunteers in performing the role of the ALAC as tasked under the ICANN Bylaws.  Such a policy should be reflective of the values of the bottom-up multi-stakeholder model.

Let us move forward in an inclusive, constructive, transparent, and respectful manner within our community.

Jonathan

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