Hello all, reading through the document, I noticed that it suffered the same fate as ALAC document, whether the Accountability & Transparency Review Team 2 (ATRT 2) should be referred to as "The ATRT2" or "ATRT2". When unsure, I usually expand the acronym thus using "The ATRT2" in most cases. Since we're dotting our eyes and crossing our teas (pun intended) we might wish to make sure we agree on to "The" or not to "The". Kind regards, Olivier On 29/03/2013 23:02, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:

Thank you

I have checked all the "carlos" sections

CRG

2013/3/29 Larry Strickling <LStrickling@ntia.doc.gov <mailto:LStrickling@ntia.doc.gov>>

Some suggested edits and comments. I accepted all of Brian's changes and then edited from there.

-----Original Message----- From: Brian Cute [mailto:bcute@pir.org <mailto:bcute@pir.org>] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:28 PM To: Larry Strickling; Carlos Raul Gutierrez; Avril Doria Cc: ATRT2 Subject: Questions for Public Comment

For Larry, Carlos and Avri,

Please review the edited version of the Questions for Public Comment. I have tried to organize the questions under specific headings as suggested by Olivier. Please provide a rapid response with final edits to the document as I would like to provide the final version to ICANN Staff for translation and posting as soon as possible. Thank you.

Regards, Brian

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Sent from my iPhone On 29/03/2013, at 19:37, Brian Cute <bcute@pir.org> wrote:

Larry, Carlos and Avri,

I have accepted your suggested edits and draw your attention to two remaining questions:

Paragraph regarding AoC 9.1(b): question #6 in the document. Carlos clarified that the questions focus on the GAC. Therefore, the substance of the question is not redundant with question #4. I made one edit and ask for final views on this question.

Paragraph regarding AoC 9.1(e): question #15 in the document. Avri, I made a suggested edit in an attempt to answer Larry's request for clarification. Is my edit consistent with the intent of your question and does it add clarity?

Please weigh in as soon as possible so we can get this document to Staff for publication to the Community. Thank you.

Brian

On 3/29/13 1:23 PM, "Larry Strickling" <LStrickling@ntia.doc.gov> wrote:

...

Some suggested edits and comments. I accepted all of Brian's changes and then edited from there.

-----Original Message----- From: Brian Cute [mailto:bcute@pir.org] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:28 PM To: Larry Strickling; Carlos Raul Gutierrez; Avril Doria Cc: ATRT2 Subject: Questions for Public Comment

For Larry, Carlos and Avri,

Please review the edited version of the Questions for Public Comment. I have tried to organize the questions under specific headings as suggested by Olivier. Please provide a rapid response with final edits to the document as I would like to provide the final version to ICANN Staff for translation and posting as soon as possible. Thank you.

Regards, Brian

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hi, I was not able to open what I received, but I was able to pull it from the archive. Re 9.1 (e) " To what extent has ICANN Staff been bound its decision-making by the ICANn Policy Development Process? " " To what extent has ICANN Staff been accountable in its decision-making? " One of the biggest questions over the years has been a possible appearance of ICANN Staff making independent decision on policy matters that do no bear direct or even indirect resemblance to the Policy decisions made in the policy development process. sometime these appear to some people as to run counter to previous Policy Decisions, while in other case it may appear that they are making policy decisions on issues that have not yet been subjected to the PDP. So The original question asked whether ICANN Staff appeared as if it accepted Community Policy Development processes as binding on its activities. And in deviating, if indeed there are deviations, to what extent does ICANN staff appear to be accountable to the ICANN Policy Development Process. I also notice that you eliminated the last question I added: " Other 1. Are there other questions we should be asking consistent with the mandate of the ATRT? What are these questions? How would you answer these questions? " Is this problematic? I think it makes sense to ask the community whether there are questions they think need to be asked that we have overlooked. thanks avri On 29 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Brian Cute wrote:

Larry, Carlos and Avri,

I have accepted your suggested edits and draw your attention to two remaining questions:

Paragraph regarding AoC 9.1(b): question #6 in the document. Carlos clarified that the questions focus on the GAC. Therefore, the substance of the question is not redundant with question #4. I made one edit and ask for final views on this question.

Paragraph regarding AoC 9.1(e): question #15 in the document. Avri, I made a suggested edit in an attempt to answer Larry's request for clarification. Is my edit consistent with the intent of your question and does it add clarity?

Please weigh in as soon as possible so we can get this document to Staff for publication to the Community. Thank you.

Brian

On 3/29/13 1:23 PM, "Larry Strickling" <LStrickling@ntia.doc.gov> wrote:

...

Some suggested edits and comments. I accepted all of Brian's changes and then edited from there.

-----Original Message----- From: Brian Cute [mailto:bcute@pir.org] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:28 PM To: Larry Strickling; Carlos Raul Gutierrez; Avril Doria Cc: ATRT2 Subject: Questions for Public Comment

For Larry, Carlos and Avri,

Please review the edited version of the Questions for Public Comment. I have tried to organize the questions under specific headings as suggested by Olivier. Please provide a rapid response with final edits to the document as I would like to provide the final version to ICANN Staff for translation and posting as soon as possible. Thank you.

Regards, Brian

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On 30 Mar 2013, at 00:20, Brian Cute wrote:

Avri,

Leaving out the last question was an oversight. I can insert it in the final version.

Thanks

Is the edit to your question re: Staff and the PDP satisfactory or do you have a proposed construction?

Does the following (or some variant) work? What is your assessment of ICANN Staff adherence to the policy decisions of the ICANN Policy Development Process in its operational activities. Has ICANN Staff been accountable to the ICANN community in its activities? Can you give examples of where ICANN Staff has restricted its decision-making to the boundaries set by the Policy Development Processes? Can you give examples where ICANN Staff has gone beyond the ICANN Community Policy Development Process to either make new policy or replace existing policy without Community development process or consultation? Are there specific accountability issues the ATRT2 should explore related to ICANN Staff's interactions with the Community Policy Development Process? Thanks avri

Thanks.

Brian

On 3/29/13 10:40 PM, "Avril Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

hi,

I was not able to open what I received, but I was able to pull it from the archive.

Re 9.1 (e)

" To what extent has ICANN Staff been bound its decision-making by the ICANn Policy Development Process? " " To what extent has ICANN Staff been accountable in its decision-making? "

Avri, I added your question re: the PDP. Upon further review, the question on Improving Accountability and Transparency near the end of the document is drafted as a "catch all." I revised it to add the word "questions" that the ATRT2 should be reviewing. Does that sufficiently capture the question your were trying to pose? Carlos, I edited question #10 to read "ICANN" instead of "ICANN community." Is that consistent with your intent? I would like this to be the last revision so we can get the questions published. Please respond rapidly. Regards, Brian On 3/30/13 8:04 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri@ella.com> wrote:

On 30 Mar 2013, at 00:20, Brian Cute wrote:

...

Avri,

Leaving out the last question was an oversight. I can insert it in the final version.

Thanks

...

Is the edit to your question re: Staff and the PDP satisfactory or do you have a proposed construction?

Does the following (or some variant) work?

What is your assessment of ICANN Staff adherence to the policy decisions of the ICANN Policy Development Process in its operational activities. Has ICANN Staff been accountable to the ICANN community in its activities? Can you give examples of where ICANN Staff has restricted its decision-making to the boundaries set by the Policy Development Processes? Can you give examples where ICANN Staff has gone beyond the ICANN Community Policy Development Process to either make new policy or replace existing policy without Community development process or consultation? Are there specific accountability issues the ATRT2 should explore related to ICANN Staff's interactions with the Community Policy Development Process?

Thanks

avri

...

Thanks.

Brian

On 3/29/13 10:40 PM, "Avril Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

hi,

I was not able to open what I received, but I was able to pull it from the archive.

Re 9.1 (e)

" To what extent has ICANN Staff been bound its decision-making by the ICANn Policy Development Process? " " To what extent has ICANN Staff been accountable in its decision-making? "

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Avri, Thank you for the context. I have no emotional reaction to the question at all. I was simply reviewing the entire document and looking for opportunities to create efficiencies and economy. I will add it in its entirety separately. Brian On 3/30/13 9:54 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri@ella.com> wrote:

Hi,

Not really. And perhaps the difference is just a nuance.

One is asking whether there are other issues the ATRT2 should be addressing. The other is asking whether we are asking all the right questions.

On a visceral level, haven't you ever gone through an entire questionnaire only to feel that it did not ask you the most important question? It is also an intersting metric/indicator on a questionnaire. If it remains blank, or is only answered trivially, it tends to indicate that the questionnaire hits the most important questions.

If you hate the question about questions that much, and I admit it is more of a meta-question (question about the questions), I won't protest though I think it is a question that belongs there. It sort of admits that even in creating a questionnaire we are accountable to the public for correction.

But it is your call.

avri

On 30 Mar 2013, at 09:00, Brian Cute wrote:

...

Avri,

I added your question re: the PDP. Upon further review, the question on Improving Accountability and Transparency near the end of the document is drafted as a "catch all." I revised it to add the word "questions" that the ATRT2 should be reviewing. Does that sufficiently capture the question your were trying to pose?

Carlos,

I edited question #10 to read "ICANN" instead of "ICANN community." Is that consistent with your intent?

I would like this to be the last revision so we can get the questions published. Please respond rapidly.

Regards, Brian

On 3/30/13 8:04 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri@ella.com> wrote:

...

On 30 Mar 2013, at 00:20, Brian Cute wrote:

...

Avri,

Leaving out the last question was an oversight. I can insert it in the final version.

Thanks

...

Is the edit to your question re: Staff and the PDP satisfactory or do you have a proposed construction?

Does the following (or some variant) work?

What is your assessment of ICANN Staff adherence to the policy decisions of the ICANN Policy Development Process in its operational activities. Has ICANN Staff been accountable to the ICANN community in its activities? Can you give examples of where ICANN Staff has restricted its decision-making to the boundaries set by the Policy Development Processes? Can you give examples where ICANN Staff has gone beyond the ICANN Community Policy Development Process to either make new policy or replace existing policy without Community development process or consultation? Are there specific accountability issues the ATRT2 should explore related to ICANN Staff's interactions with the Community Policy Development Process?

Thanks

avri

...

Thanks.

Brian

On 3/29/13 10:40 PM, "Avril Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

hi,

I was not able to open what I received, but I was able to pull it from the archive.

Re 9.1 (e)

" To what extent has ICANN Staff been bound its decision-making by the ICANn Policy Development Process? " " To what extent has ICANN Staff been accountable in its decision-making? "

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Hi, Apologies for not providing these comments/edits earlier (just back from travel). The executive summary of the edits: - tried to make the questions more quantitative by asking for a response along a scale (1 to 10). As mentioned on the call, I do not think a binary yes/no for most of the questions provides particularly useful information since I suspect most folks will want to answer "sometimes yes, sometimes no". - asked for more suggestions of metrics - various consistency and consolidation edits trying to make the questions more readable (at least for me). With respect to the comments, I found a number of places in which I was confused about what was being referenced. Perhaps that's just me, however. FWIW, use as you see fit. Regards, -drc On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Brian Cute <bcute@pir.org> wrote:

Latest version of the document including Avri's question.

Last question for you Carlos, regarding the suggested edit to question # 10 that appears in v.4. Please let me know if that is consistent with your intent. Thank you.

Regards, Brian

On 3/30/13 9:00 AM, "Brian Cute" <bcute@pir.org> wrote:

...

Avri,

I added your question re: the PDP. Upon further review, the question on Improving Accountability and Transparency near the end of the document is drafted as a "catch all." I revised it to add the word "questions" that the ATRT2 should be reviewing. Does that sufficiently capture the question your were trying to pose?

Carlos,

I edited question #10 to read "ICANN" instead of "ICANN community." Is that consistent with your intent?

I would like this to be the last revision so we can get the questions published. Please respond rapidly.

Regards, Brian

On 3/30/13 8:04 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri@ella.com> wrote:

...

On 30 Mar 2013, at 00:20, Brian Cute wrote:

...

Avri,

Leaving out the last question was an oversight. I can insert it in the final version.

Thanks

...

Is the edit to your question re: Staff and the PDP satisfactory or do you have a proposed construction?

Does the following (or some variant) work?

What is your assessment of ICANN Staff adherence to the policy decisions of the ICANN Policy Development Process in its operational activities. Has ICANN Staff been accountable to the ICANN community in its activities? Can you give examples of where ICANN Staff has restricted its decision-making to the boundaries set by the Policy Development Processes? Can you give examples where ICANN Staff has gone beyond the ICANN Community Policy Development Process to either make new policy or replace existing policy without Community development process or consultation? Are there specific accountability issues the ATRT2 should explore related to ICANN Staff's interactions with the Community Policy Development Process?

Thanks

avri

...

Thanks.

Brian

On 3/29/13 10:40 PM, "Avril Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

hi,

I was not able to open what I received, but I was able to pull it from the archive.

Re 9.1 (e)

" To what extent has ICANN Staff been bound its decision-making by the ICANn Policy Development Process? " " To what extent has ICANN Staff been accountable in its decision-making? "

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Hi, Looks good. Thanks for adding the 1-10 scale. And the metrics at the end is a good addition. In addition to having this released as a document people can respond to with another document, is it worth turning it into a form on line as well. thanks avri On 30 Mar 2013, at 18:38, David Conrad wrote:

Hi,

Apologies for not providing these comments/edits earlier (just back from travel). The executive summary of the edits:

- tried to make the questions more quantitative by asking for a response along a scale (1 to 10). As mentioned on the call, I do not think a binary yes/no for most of the questions provides particularly useful information since I suspect most folks will want to answer "sometimes yes, sometimes no". - asked for more suggestions of metrics - various consistency and consolidation edits trying to make the questions more readable (at least for me).

With respect to the comments, I found a number of places in which I was confused about what was being referenced. Perhaps that's just me, however.

FWIW, use as you see fit.

Regards, -drc

<Structuring Public Comment Questions - v5-drc.docx>

On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Brian Cute <bcute@pir.org> wrote:

...

Latest version of the document including Avri's question.

Last question for you Carlos, regarding the suggested edit to question # 10 that appears in v.4. Please let me know if that is consistent with your intent. Thank you.

Regards, Brian

On 3/30/13 9:00 AM, "Brian Cute" <bcute@pir.org> wrote:

...

Avri,

I added your question re: the PDP. Upon further review, the question on Improving Accountability and Transparency near the end of the document is drafted as a "catch all." I revised it to add the word "questions" that the ATRT2 should be reviewing. Does that sufficiently capture the question your were trying to pose?

Carlos,

I edited question #10 to read "ICANN" instead of "ICANN community." Is that consistent with your intent?

I would like this to be the last revision so we can get the questions published. Please respond rapidly.

Regards, Brian

On 3/30/13 8:04 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri@ella.com> wrote:

...

On 30 Mar 2013, at 00:20, Brian Cute wrote:

...

Avri,

Leaving out the last question was an oversight. I can insert it in the final version.

Thanks

...

Is the edit to your question re: Staff and the PDP satisfactory or do you have a proposed construction?

Does the following (or some variant) work?

What is your assessment of ICANN Staff adherence to the policy decisions of the ICANN Policy Development Process in its operational activities. Has ICANN Staff been accountable to the ICANN community in its activities? Can you give examples of where ICANN Staff has restricted its decision-making to the boundaries set by the Policy Development Processes? Can you give examples where ICANN Staff has gone beyond the ICANN Community Policy Development Process to either make new policy or replace existing policy without Community development process or consultation? Are there specific accountability issues the ATRT2 should explore related to ICANN Staff's interactions with the Community Policy Development Process?

Thanks

avri

...

Thanks.

Brian

On 3/29/13 10:40 PM, "Avril Doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:

...

hi,

I was not able to open what I received, but I was able to pull it from the archive.

Re 9.1 (e)

" To what extent has ICANN Staff been bound its decision-making by the ICANn Policy Development Process? " " To what extent has ICANN Staff been accountable in its decision-making? "

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