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Lee
by HIBBARD Lee Dec. 15, 2014

Dec. 15, 2014

Hello to everyone, sorry for my absence recently. I have been trying to join the list and so hoping that this now works. Please find my last messages which I think you did not receive: - Thomas and his colleague Nicolas are willing to organise a conf call next Tuesday 16 Dec afternoon - could you please us how many are able to participate - I would propose 16:30 CET. - For your info, I was in the IGF planning meeting last week and I spoke to two GAC members - Mark Carvell and Olga Cavalli (could they join the list?) - who would be interested to support the initiative and to start preparing a draft charter for a CCWG on ICANN and human rights. - In reply to some recent exchanges, I would also add: - a 10-page application of concrete scenarios thereby in effect applying the CoE report would be interesting. I wonder however if all the proposed issues can be covered in such a short document and whether they can be discussed adequately by the agenda for the cross-community workshop? - tentative agenda for the cross-community workshop seems fine, although I would add discussants from GAC and perhaps CoE. Regards and ready to discuss. Lee

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by HIBBARD Lee Dec. 12, 2014

Dec. 12, 2014

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Possible topics for follow-up paper
by Niels ten Oever Dec. 11, 2014

Dec. 11, 2014

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I hope this email finds you well. To add some more content to the discussion, we have discussed writing both a summary of the CoE report (on which Marilia is working), and a follow-up paper. Joy, Monika and I have been talking about this follow-up paper. We are thinking about something not longer than 10 pages (because it is unlikely people will read much more), and it should elaborate on a some instances of human rights implications in the ICANN world that can be simple and clear to help build understanding. This will then help us build the case for the establishment of the Cross Community Working Group, in which we'll have more time and space to work on these issues (and how a more systemic approach to Human Rights in ICANN would be beneficial). I would like to propose the following subjects to you here. Do you think (some of) these would be interesting, relevant and suitable for such a paper? We tried to give attention to specific cases that are not discussed yet in the CoE report. Looking forward to hear your suggestions, comments and questions. - -freedom of association naming rights INGOs/NGOs - -privacy RAA -> exemptions - -freedom of expression gTLDs (guidebook) .gay UDRP - - right to fair trial Appeal mechanism Ombudsman Looking forward to discuss. Best, Niels - -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint = 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUh5lPAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpaxEH/RCTloHm0ZI5CtxCJEtsUqqs inT3sQ7D0FYI/d86JQUBCbLH/IgzSz+PYPBbtRx1tmjVqa8pWUZyjFRxzX4EOicl LPoMwqqdBZOW7cmb/uLOXV6o3RB/4PBCkgAKt9etwtoFqJ8iu0F5IjrbjA4GOxul gY2dZwgX7ciSqVIm1y+ti+BnYuqFrrAIV0R7WXot4tOvVxsmOVIMGI5dRMYGKywO doHItO8ZReLQ0QUtQfjxOjjsDjV8Rgxwq4so1ZvYYAljDB0UGm5xH31bS34pHqDi cFLeAA4TYSzDQS7q59Hjhiy9sFUCgszgwXx1JpyLCltbVmICz+vqdsCHLl73bIE= =PheG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description
by Rafik Dammak Dec. 10, 2014

Dec. 10, 2014

Hi everyone, I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for CCWG on IG meeting. I also strongly advise for 2 hours session only. what I need as input: - session description , title and tentative agenda (which will be online) • a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation. - expected number of attendees - preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect. I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session. Rafik 2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy(a)liddicoatlaw.co.nz>: > Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at 9.30 may > be least worst option .... > Perhaps we should also be willing to consider a slightly shorter session if > that helps with scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: cc-humanrights-bounces(a)icann.org > [mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever > Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 4:13 a.m. > To: Rafik Dammak; Marilia Maciel > Cc: Human Rights > Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule: > http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full > > Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN > accountability > discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc. > > Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet Governance. > But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start at 9:30, we should be > OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same time for Singapore for this > workshop Bill ? > > If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning. > > Best, > > Niels > > > Niels ten Oever > Head of Digital > > Article 19 > www.article19.org > > PGP fingerprint = 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > > On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g. checking > > schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is aware about new > > session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after submission we cannot > > request changes. > > > > Rafik > > > > 2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>: > > > > Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels. Although > > Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not blocked.. > > > > Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a > > 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at some > > moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part 1" and > > "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not feel they > > missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of course, this > > is besides the fact that we do have a lot of substantive topics to > > discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but maybe we should try to push > > for the three hours. > > > > Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate with > > other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms of > > securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it scheduled as > > soon as possible. If something substantial changes on the agenda we > > re-evaluate. > > > > Best, > > > > Marília > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi , > > > > I think we should see the different SO/AC sessions ( we have also the > > CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time slot. > > > > 3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while we > > could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we can > > reiterate that). > > > > Rafik > > > > 2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com > > <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>: > > > > Hello all, > > > > it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon it > > because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC and other > > WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with little interference. > > One of the problems is that by killing Fridays the week has become > > shorter and with the Thursday circus Thursday is now dead. With Monday > > risking being filled by the circus too we have Tuesday which is > > impossible due to Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some > > parts of Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So > > Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh> > > > > Olivier > > > > > > On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote: > >> you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official stuff > >> they think is more important. > >> > >> I’d ask for Wednesday morning. > >> > >> BD > >> > >>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten Oever<niels(a)article19.org> > >>> <mailto:niels@article19.org> wrote: > >>> > >> Hi Rafik, > >> > >> You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled out. > >> Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ? > >> > >> I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour > >> meeting, so let's go for that. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Niels > >> > >> > >> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital > >> > >> Article 19 www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org> > >> > >> PGP fingerprint = 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D > >> 68E9 > >> > >> On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote: > >>>>> Hi Niels, > >>>>> > >>>>> Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting and we had > >>>>> such conflict last time. > >>>>> > >>>>> Rafik > >>>>> > >>>>> 2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever > >> <niels(a)article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org> > >>>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org> > >>>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org>>: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Niels, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Rafik, > >>>>> > >>>>>> I am not senior within ICANN > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, at least more senior than me ;) > >>>>> > >>>>>> but I guess I can help for this. > >>>>> > >>>>> That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on Wednesday > >>>>> afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two hours would > >> suffice. > >>>>> Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I know we > >>>>> could easily fill it). > >>>>> > >>>>> What do you people think? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> Niels > >>>>> > >>>>>> Rafik > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org > >> <mailto:niels@article19.org> > >>>>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org> > >>>>>> <mailto:niels@article19.org>> a > >> écrit : > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>>> It seems there is consensus about the text for the session at > >>>>>> ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with this text? All > >>>>>> comments are very welcome. > >>>>> > >>>>>> _________ > >>>>> > >>>>>> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation > >>>>> > >>>>>> There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that > >>>>>> some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications > >>>>>> for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to > >>>>>> privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such > >>>>>> rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to > >>>>>> assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally > >>>>>> agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible > >>>>>> methods for addressing any incompatibilities. > >>>>> > >>>>>> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case > >>>>>> basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for > >>>>>> starting a process that could address them in a more systemic > >>>>>> manner. > >>>>> > >>>>>> ________ > >>>>> > >>>>>> What would be the process to request the room? I would be happy > >>>>>> to send some emails, but given the experiences during last ICANN > >>>>>> meeting it might be more effective if someone more senior in the > >>>>>> ICANN hierarchy would send it. > >>>>>> Any takers? > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>>> > >>>>>> Niels > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> cc-humanrights mailing listcc-humanrights(a)icann.org > >> <mailto:listcc-humanrights@icann.org> > >>>>>>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> > >> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> > >>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ cc-humanrights > >>> mailing list cc-humanrights(a)icann.org > >>> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> > >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > >> > >> *********************************************** William J. Drake > >> International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, > >> IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users > >> Constituency, ICANN,www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org> > >> william.drake(a)uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch> (direct), > > wjdrake(a)gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com> (lists), > >> www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org> > >> *********************************************** > >> > >> _______________________________________________ cc-humanrights > >> mailing list cc-humanrights(a)icann.org > >> <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> > >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > >> > > > > -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ cc-humanrights mailing > > list cc-humanrights(a)icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ cc-humanrights mailing > > list cc-humanrights(a)icann.org <mailto:cc-humanrights@icann.org> > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > > > > > > > > > > -- *Marília Maciel* Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e > > Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator - Center for > > Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts > > > > DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu > > <http://www.diplomacy.edu> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - > > http://www.politics.org.br/ Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & > > the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUgcvkAAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpD0AH/2+cZgNl6h+jJxFor39Pk2gF > qbMAzoU71Kkifnh2RNPt1nCK4k/PY65VUNpKrN4mu8vT8ucOBvWnRWI16bXfZPAc > UIUFf98TI5Hu8peeLvxjvJuzhkdKga5eOABzAkfbnAYiBsCeBuE93vZyZR/AtdUQ > 3wSDos6H0nz0HzYM0YmR/Rt7OgR0ersfXMU4LPh3nxigbI/5KLG3T/S4VhOcRfHd > 49cSTFMMgez01t42Y8SCn5soq/r4pdusBM4Z+FqUky/lDmo79hmB6p+EiWCY8uMz > wtLEHuDL+j9ziXryzB/v3Zu7dG5KJX7P9NwfBdaijR8CcKtfKQHNrdYQBJe8cI4= > =tDJ8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > cc-humanrights mailing list > cc-humanrights(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights > > >

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Human Rights and ICANN - session description
by Niels ten Oever Dec. 10, 2014

Dec. 10, 2014

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, It seems there is consensus about the text for the session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with this text? All comments are very welcome. _________ Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities. To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner. ________ What would be the process to request the room? I would be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send it. Any takers? Thanks in advance, Niels - -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint = 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUgJg6AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpfgIH/Ahw7EnbLadprEhpbolxjbfp H1Hq+Q9jZ1P49vl7YOazDgrhrLOLH7f13CSS0yB6vD0rvpGneSYjnvUYBTpgr6Dk Sv4JXTmMCkRlYinkPxNkpTRN2HhpkuVJt5jF2no+EnZuSicmRaLR4/F5yvB6b7NU Lnlau5iAJ8EwvI/SYGnOAmy8i2Mz9Xwb8MOBb9EuMD4FfeK8ZeRW9R710jTiRxzI mc54edWBPv0Z46gBusjFxcs9RayE/n8nx5uO5AsADxsiQQiZf1DnkgnLpNwcOI0g gtHB50F9C/+e6wJg+j3+2j5cEeOYViGyDebjaW6BpkL4IsCcMDutzUGCs08GK8U= =GDyW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fwd: ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA
by William Drake Dec. 3, 2014

Dec. 3, 2014

> Begin forwarded message: > > Subject: Re: ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA > From: William Drake <william.drake(a)uzh.ch> > Date: December 2, 2014 at 9:23:23 AM GMT+1 > Cc: Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org>, Avri Doria <avri(a)acm.org>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel(a)gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak(a)gmail.com>, Robin Gross <robin(a)ipjustice.org>, Thomas Schneider <Thomas.Schneider(a)bakom.admin.ch>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com>, "Mark.Carvell(a)culture.gsi.gov.uk" <Mark.Carvell(a)culture.gsi.gov.uk>, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli(a)gmail.com>, "Nicolas.Rollier(a)bakom.admin.ch" <Nicolas.Rollier(a)bakom.admin.ch>, Roy Balleste <rballeste(a)stu.edu>, "RPEREZGA(a)minetur.es" <RPEREZGA(a)minetur.es>, "wolf(a)eurodig.org" <wolf(a)eurodig.org>, Lee Hibbard <Lee.HIBBARD(a)coe.int>, "mallory(a)apc.org" <mallory(a)apc.org>, William Drake <william.drake(a)uzh.ch> > To: Joy Liddicoat <joy(a)apc.org> > > Hi > >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:29 AM, joy <joy(a)apc.org <mailto:joy@apc.org>> wrote: >> >>> Am a bit surprised by this Bill. There is not a doubt that ICANN >>> impacts freedom of expression and privacy, right?! >> Neils: I am afraid Bill is correct and in my view we have a severe clash of understanding in ICANN - as human rights advocates, you and I both know that 'human rights' includes FX and privacy. But in ICANN, dominated as it is by US folks, they have no clue what 'human rights' are: honestly. They might have a vague idea what 'civil rights' are, but in my experience most are quite ignorant about 'human rights' and think these are to do with poverty and clean water or social security - so there is sometimes a kind of intellectual allergic reaction or a more mild sense of being non-plussed about how human rights are relevant. This seems to also attach to the politics of the issue as well. > > Err…if I may offer two small amendments. I’d say "dominated as it is by business and technical folks.” I at least have no evidence that business and technical folks with passport x are systematically less aware than business and technical folks with passport y. And I think it’s possible people have can have a baseline understanding and appreciation of human rights but simply have never heard or engaged the case that that decisions about name collisions, cc redelegations, IRTP, or the zillion other issues dealt with in ICANN can clearly and negatively impact rights (other than trademark). The burden there is on us as much as it is on them. Like many siloed groups and subgroupings we talk among ourselves and reinforce each others' views and then conclude that what we think should be obvious to others who work in completely different spaces. Expecting that everyone has read the 40 page COE paper (on which some people within e.g. civil society disagree in parts), had a eureka moment, and is ready to get started on a fix is unrealistic. > > Aside from lining up the room (really urgent), I’d suggest the first order of business ought to be to prepare a FAQ. Two pages of concise problem statements with illustrative examples of policies and practices that raise HR concerns and ends with a few options for tackling the problem, ranging from lowest impact in terms of institutionalization to more demanding and systematic. Something like this we could circulate in a number of ways (e.g. SOACSGC chairs could be asked to share with their respective tribes) to raise awareness and generate interest in a meeting to discuss. > > It’d be important for the FAQ to make clear what we are and are not focusing on. In this regard, at the risk of sounding like an Anglo-Saxon, I would reiterate the view I and some others stated in LA: we start with civil and political rights, particularly FoE and privacy, and leave aside economic and social rights and 3rd generation rights (peace, development) etc at least initially or we end up with the discussion turning into an another free range blob and debating .health again without getting anywhere. We don’t have to say the others are out of bounds or can’t be returned to later if consensus takes us there, but start with the low hanging fruit on which people can more readily see the case. > >>> >>> >>> A lot of the community is still nowhere near being in the tent. >>> >>> I had two board members pull me aside in LA to say WTF is this >>> >>> human rights thing who are these people this could be a >>> >>> disaster, and I heard various other comments from people in >>> >>> governments and the community that were at a minimum, skeptical >>> >>> and reserved. >>> >>> But isn't that exactly a reason to have that discussion in a workshop >>> instead of in backchannels? >> JL: yes, but it needs to come back to some simple concepts to help build understanding - the Europeans, Canadians, South African, Kenyan, Pakistan among others, - will understand - but my guess is that many from the US will not. > > I was not arguing against having a workshop, I advocated it in LA. > > Best > > Bill > > > > *********************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, > ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org/> > william.drake(a)uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch> (direct), wjdrake(a)gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com> (lists), > www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org/> > *********************************************** > *********************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org william.drake(a)uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake(a)gmail.com (lists), www.williamdrake.org ***********************************************

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Follow-up on ICANN and Human Rights Session at ICANN51 in LA
by Niels ten Oever Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Sir or Madam, Thank you very much for participating in the meeting 'A human rights perspective on ICANN’s policies and procedures' at ICANN51 in LA. Attached you'll find a short overview of the points discussed at the session, as well as concrete suggestions for next steps. If you would like to remained involved in this initiative, please subscribe to the mailinglist here: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cc-humanrights/ This is where all organization of discussion takes place. We're very committed to continue working with you on this issue. Best regards, Niels - -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint = 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUfeb6AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpuOgH+wQ5IuZgQinfCOeP3ju7F8oE V8N8YcBy0f3nYAQvT2YmvbW0ibs83vdWPKeqmoQO0YB0sqmiwvPtj6YuzbWa6hDK z/WktVjXeqFyi6hvzkj5m/ijtfjGECQyrDz8GRPx33PbUEomvNZCd2JffLxZs+jJ LLywfikm9/NeAR3lv6pvpu/sXg/iUm+mw449qN+QhtTCHzMxn49uVUNfmpzcs/uh htStCe3ypUL2/OmKkC97Lp3iawpTXxfOgb0nIwCjNFGYjiQRRP2cUvnvcDg4fp+M 0g+Mpx2wYMiznAJ+CUsKpJEZ4sNnopkXL3/e40phAbkDP3oQT/3ji954qVaLdW8= =GeIg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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by Rafik Dammak Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

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ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA (for the list archive)
by William Drake Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

> Begin forwarded message: > > Subject: Re: ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA > From: William Drake <wjdrake(a)gmail.com> > Date: November 28, 2014 at 10:20:38 AM GMT+1 > Cc: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel(a)gmail.com>, Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak(a)gmail.com>, Robin Gross <robin(a)ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri(a)acm.org>, Thomas Schneider <Thomas.Schneider(a)bakom.admin.ch>, Joy Liddicoat <joy(a)apc.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com>, "Mark.Carvell(a)culture.gsi.gov.uk" <Mark.Carvell(a)culture.gsi.gov.uk>, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli(a)gmail.com>, "Nicolas.Rollier(a)bakom.admin.ch" <Nicolas.Rollier(a)bakom.admin.ch>, Roy Balleste <rballeste(a)stu.edu>, "RPEREZGA(a)minetur.es" <RPEREZGA(a)minetur.es>, "wolf(a)eurodig.org" <wolf(a)eurodig.org>, Lee Hibbard <Lee.HIBBARD(a)coe.int>, "mallory(a)apc.org" <mallory(a)apc.org>, William Drake <william.drake(a)uzh.ch> > To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca> > > Hello > > I’m not Ccing mcastanon(a)rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe> because the address has resulted in endless bounce messages. I don’t know who this is but could whoever does perhaps communicate that there may be an issue? > > Re: title, bear in mind how it will look on an ICANN program, crammed into a little box. Also, I don’t think a workshop needs to be labeled as cross community, workshops are presumed to be open to the whole community unless marked with a [C]. Indeed, it doesn’t even need to be labeled a workshop. Look for ex at Wednesday sessions at http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full <http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full>. And for further finickiness, I’m not sure I’d mention procedures, which could set some minds spinning (are they saying our SO-AC's procedures are problematic in terms of HR?!) Why not just a simple soft entry like ICANN Human Rights: Continuing the Conversation? > > Re: mail list, like Marilia I would never presume that by signing a passed around paper people have agreed to have their names added to yet another mail list. I’d set it up and send a message inviting them to join. > > Re: description, I know we don’t all agree on the appropriate speed here, but personally I would not convey that we (some undefined group) have already determined that ICANNs policies and procedures have an impact of human rights and therefore we are starting a process to formulate a solution. A lot of the community is still nowhere near being in the tent. I had two board members pull me aside in LA to say WTF is this human rights thing who are these people this could be a disaster, and I heard various other comments from people in governments and the community that were at a minimum, skeptical and reserved. So I’d think we want a formulation that isn’t still stuck at square 1 but isn’t already charging up the hill either. Moreover, I think we’d want to acknowledge some of the push back we have already received about is ICANN the wrong place for this, a few policies might be relevant but most are not, was the report an official statement of collective view by the COE, etc. etc. > > Would this be too weak-kneed for you all? > > There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities. To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner. > > The workshop builds on discussions begun in London with the presentation of a report sponsored by the Council of Europe, [1] and continued in LA with the cross-community workshop on ICANN and Human Rights. > > Two cents, > > Bill > > > >> On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:36 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote: >> >> Yes we made that amply clear, people who did not want their names on tended to not supply them as I recall. >> cheers Steph >> On 14-11-27 11:41 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >>> Dear Niels, >>> >>> Thank you for the workshop description. I think that´s exactly what we need. I would go with the shorter title. >>> Did we make clear in LA that we would add people who provided their e-mails to a mailing list? If not, maybe it would be better to send a short message asking them to join. People tend to be upset when they are added without consent. >>> >>> Best, >>> Marília >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org <mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA512 >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My first stab at a description for the session: >>> >>> __________ >>> >>> Short title: Cross-Community Workshop on human rights and ICANN's >>> policies and procedures >>> >>> Possible longer title: ICANNs policies and procedures and their impact >>> on human rights and fundamental freedoms >>> >>> __________ >>> >>> ICANNs policies and procedures have an impact of human rights such as >>> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. These issues are often >>> discussed on a case by case bases. This workshop aims to discuss how a >>> process could be started which would try to formulate a more systemic >>> approach to protect human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic >>> values. >>> >>> The workshop will continue the discussion that started with the >>> presentation of the Council of Europe report [0] in London and the >>> meeting on ICANN and Human Rights in LA and aims to include voices >>> from all constituencies. >>> >>> >>> [0] http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/icann-and-human-rights.asp <http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/icann-and-human-rights.asp> >>> >>> ___________ >>> >>> Also Rafik, are you the admin of the mailinglist? Shall I sent an >>> email announcing the mailing list to the people who signed up for this >>> in LA ? Or would you like to auto-add them to the mailinglist? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Niels >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/24/2014 01:46 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > There are 2 things: -securing a room is "logistics" , I can make >>> > request and give details like room layout, expected number of >>> > attendees, remote participation but I will need a description for >>> > session. Glen will help with metimg team - program committee >>> > concern getting other parts of the community in board e.g. >>> > registrars and so on >>> > >>> > I can do the first, for the second we need to coordinate to avoid >>> > confusing messages. >>> > >>> > Rafik >>> > >>> > On Nov 22, 2014 2:59 AM, "Marilia Maciel" <mariliamaciel(a)gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> >>> > <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Steph, >>> > >>> > On my mind the request for the room and the actual >>> > organization/sponsorship of the meeting are two different things. >>> > The first is just a formality. As Lee confirmed to us, we need to >>> > anchor it in a community to secure a room. Probably a partnership >>> > between NCSG/NCUC and CoE is the fastest way forward. As Bill >>> > highlighted we should get it going. >>> > >>> > For the actual planning and shapping of the event I completely >>> > agree with you. We need to broaden the organizing team. Other >>> > constituencies, ACs and SOs should take ownership. Maybe some kind >>> > of joint curation of the program could be a way forward? >>> > >>> > Marília >>> > >>> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Stephanie Perrin >>> > <stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> >>> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>>> wrote: >>> > >>> > WHy not try for a friendly registrar as a partner, like VOlker or >>> > Michele? or Tucows? or Bladel? We could also hit up Don Blumenthal >>> > who is chairing the PPSAI? On 2014-11-21, 12:12, William Drake >>> > wrote: >>> >> Hi >>> >> >>> >> Nigel’s suggestion strikes me as difficult to move quickly and a >>> >> potentially a bit of a hard sell, given that most of the GNSO >>> >> either won’t be up to speed or may be opposed. But if we want to >>> >> try that route I suppose Avri could raise it in the GNSO Council >>> >> and see if all the industry factions suddenly discover a >>> >> collective desire to have ICANN talking human rights. >>> >> >>> >> It’s not obvious to me why this should be necessary though. NCUC >>> >> and NCSG have secured meeting space before. If NCSG were to >>> >> submit and say this is a joint request with COE and some >>> >> governments (would help a lot to have one willing to be publicly >>> >> identified with it) I’d not see how they could argue that it’s >>> >> not a sufficiently ‘community’ initiative. >>> >> >>> >> Bill >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:39 PM, HIBBARD Lee <Lee.HIBBARD(a)coe.int <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int> >>> >>> <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD@coe.int>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone,____ I asked Nigel Hickson for a room and he >>> >>> suggested that GNSO makes the request. It seems best to attach >>> >>> it to a community structure – could anyone help?____ Thanks >>> >>> Lee____ *From:*Marilia Maciel [mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>] >>> >>> *Sent:*vendredi 21 novembre 2014 17:15 *To:*William Drake >>> >>> *Cc:*Rafik Dammak; Niels ten Oever; Olivier Crepin-Leblond; >>> >>> Stephanie Perrin;Mark.Carvell(a)culture.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:Perrin%3BMark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk> >>> >>> <mailto:Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:Mark.Carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk>>;Nicolas.Rollier(a)bakom.admin.ch <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier@bakom.admin.ch>>; Joy >>> >>> Liddicoat;RPEREZGA(a)minetur.es <mailto:Liddicoat%3BRPEREZGA@minetur.es> <mailto:RPEREZGA@minetur.es <mailto:RPEREZGA@minetur.es>>; >>> >>> Thomas Schneider; Avri Doria;wolf(a)eurodig.org <mailto:Doria%3Bwolf@eurodig.org> >>> >>> <mailto:wolf@eurodig.org <mailto:wolf@eurodig.org>>;mcastanon(a)rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe> >>> >>> <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe>>; Roy Balleste; Robin Gross; >>> >>> HIBBARD Lee; Olga Cavalli;mallory(a)apc.org <mailto:Cavalli%3Bmallory@apc.org> >>> >>> <mailto:mallory@apc.org <mailto:mallory@apc.org>> *Subject:*Re: ICANN and human rights >>> >>> followup to meeting in LA____ __ __ Hi Bill,____ >>> >>> >>> >>> According to Niels´ notes from our meeting Lee was expected to >>> >>> book the room. However, I think that in order to avoid any >>> >>> misunderstanding about the nature of this meeting (re. >>> >>> confusing with a private/parallel event, as happened in LA) a >>> >>> community leader should do it. Maybe you or Rafik could help >>> >>> us? If useful, I volunteer to assist with the follow-up of the >>> >>> contact with staff if you make the first request and cc >>> >>> me.____ >>> >>> >>> >>> Best!____ Marília____ __ __ On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM, >>> >>> William Drake <wjdrake(a)gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com>>> >>> >>> wrote:____ Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> Glad this is moving along. Has anyone made a room request for >>> >>> Singapore? There’s going to be quite a lot of pulls on the >>> >>> scheduling... >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill____ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Marilia Maciel >>> >>> <mariliamaciel(a)gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com>>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Rafik, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks so much for your work on that. Please convey our >>> >>>> thanks also >>> >>> to Glen. I think the name is excellent. CC reinforces that this >>> >>> is a cross-community effort and we have human rights clearly on >>> >>> the tittle. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If everyone agrees, I believe we could proceed with sending >>> >>> invitations to the people who participated in our meeting in LA >>> >>> so they will join this list. Once it is working our discussions >>> >>> will become more inclusive. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> All the best! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Marília >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ____ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --____ *Marília Maciel*____ Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de >>> >>> Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio____ Researcher and >>> >>> Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law >>> >>> School____ http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts____ <http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts____> __ __ >>> >>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu/> >>> >>> <http://www.diplomacy.edu/ <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>>____ PoliTICs Magazine Advisory >>> >>> Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/____ <http://www.politics.org.br/____> Subscribe "Digital >>> >>> Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - >>> >>> http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en <http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en> >>> >> >>> >> *********************************************** William J. Drake >>> >> International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation >>> >> Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair, >>> >> Noncommercial Users Constituency, ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org/> >>> >> <http://www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org/>> william.drake(a)uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch> >>> >> <mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch>> (direct), wjdrake(a)gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com> >>> >> <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com>> (lists), www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org/> >>> >> <http://www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org/>> >>> >> *********************************************** >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- *Marília Maciel* Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e >>> > Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator - Center for >>> > Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts <http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts> >>> > >>> > DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu/> >>> > <http://www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - >>> > http://www.politics.org.br/ <http://www.politics.org.br/> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin >>> > America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en <http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en> >>> > >>> >>> >>> - -- >>> Niels ten Oever >>> Head of Digital >>> >>> Article 19 >>> www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org/> >>> >>> PGP fingerprint = 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUdlI3AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpZN4H+wSqso/rhtAsQLDYZyIG2u5A >>> O1bM7pjybioIuuyWyB9ztvm7NbYBcaIIqcOPOcFIwnw65Accu71xCCskvnQoIAX3 >>> zDNBZ/atG4OtcRM+VMmR6lY4IASVR9I4OeZdWXzVvs1Wch9wDOhJp8Hh+W1UQoCk >>> AU/BCDhdq2M/4NPC6DmzVsWxJmWt5E8k3nVP7bTJoXB1rdlylIMNl+Rg7bEnpCAs >>> 8lsSM9XOLzjQ6kPEjjkZ0qBM76XhltzWmqK4fxAZnscoNlnhVBsRXkQG2uUXaxeN >>> +PTDmcAFx/cX5SSbQVVZraQUCSx6HIF/J9VhpoiFkK0jBh2OqU2EPmMQVydgyCU= >>> =eoH2 >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marília Maciel >>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio >>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School >>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts <http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts> >>> >>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu/> >>> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ <http://www.politics.org.br/> >>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en <http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en> >>> >> > > *********************************************** > William J. 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Re: [cc-humanrights] ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA
by joy Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

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