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updates of CJK coordination meeting in Seoul
by 王伟 Nov. 21, 2016

Nov. 21, 2016

Dear All After two face-to-face coordination meetings held in Taipei and Seoul, C and K members reduced the disagreed variant groups from 258 to 2~3. The process and results of coordination are included in the attached file. Please feel free to comment if you have any suggestion. K will help to provide evidence and cases about the Hanja common used labels containing chars in those remaining variant groups. C and K would work closely to eliminate differences thoroughly and try to reach the final consensus by the end of this year. Regards WANG Wei

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Fwd: agenda for CJK meeting on Thu, Nov. 17, 2016
by KIM Kyongsok Nov. 17, 2016

Nov. 17, 2016

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:09 PM Subject: agenda for CJK meeting on Thu, Nov. 17, 2016 To: "koreanGP(a)icann.org" <koreanGP(a)icann.org>, "JapaneseGP(a)icann.org" <JapaneseGP(a)icann.org>, LU Ai-CHin <aclu(a)twnic.net.tw> Cc: gimgs0 <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> Dear all: Enclosed you will find agenda for CJK meeting on Thu, Nov. 17, 2016. Rgds, -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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Re: [ChineseGP] CJK meeting in Seoul on 11/13 14:30
by Min Jung Park Nov. 13, 2016

Nov. 13, 2016

Dear all, Tomorrow's CJK Meeting will be held from 1430 - 1800 in AREX(airport express) #3 Meeting room located in the Seoul Station. If you are coming from 'Yeouido' station (IETF venue), - please take metro number 5(purple line) and go 3 stops - take off at 'Gongdeok' station - transfer to the AIRPORT EXPRESS line - take off at the next station which is 'Seoul Station' If you are coming directly from the airport(either Kimpo or Incheon), - take the AIRPORT EXPRESS(=AIRPORT RAILROAD) -take off at 'Seoul Station' Should u wish to take a taxi - please tell the driver to take u off at the 'Seo-boo' entrarance of Seoul Station * or u can just call me to talk with the driver * by metro, (from yeo ui do) it takes 4 stops in total including 1 trasfer : - 3 stops & 1 transfer(from line 5 to the airport express) & 1 stop (30 min + walking time) (from the airport) it takes 40-60 min (+ walking time) Please call me at +82 (0)10 2774 3213 after you get passed the metro-ticket retrieving gate. FYI, ALL AREX meeting rooms are located at B1 floor. Pls also find attached files for ur reference. (Keep in mind that the Metro timetable is subject change - the files are to provide you a guidance on ur way to the meeting room) Would be helpful if you could download an app on the seoul metro for details :) * Agenda details will be sent by professor KIM(chair of KGP). Look forward to seeing you tomorrow. Kind regards Minjung 2016. 11. 7. 17:50에 "Min Jung Park" <flisha(a)gmail.com>님이 작성: Dear Yoneya, Thank u for sharing the information. Regarding the venue for this sunday's CJK meeting, I've been informed that we have already secured a meeting room at [SEOUL RAILWAY STATION] from 1430 - 1800 for 15 pax. Location-wise, I believe that it'd be a good place taking into considerations that - there's an Airport Railroad from the Airport to SEOUL RAILWAY STATION & - it is also relatively closer to the IETF venue(Yeo-i-do Station) compared to Gangnam Area since its only 5 stops away by subway (though need to transfer once). Nevertheless, I will try to contact the IETF secretariat to see if they have a room availble for us as a second option. Kind regards, MINJUNG 2016. 11. 6. 11:11에 "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>님이 작성: Dear Minjung, > > Please try to contact IETF secretariat for asking vacant meeting > room availability. IETF secretariat offers vacant meeting room(s) > for IETF participants as FCFS basis. I found that now KISA is IETF > co-host, so it will be easy. > > Regards, > > -- > Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp> > > On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:11:41 +0900 Min Jung Park <flisha(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear Kenny and all, > > > > For clarification, > > Kindly note that KISA will be looking for a venue near Gangnam Area > where > > KRNIC(KISA'S SEOCHO OFFICE) is located. > > - we will first try to reserve a meeting room at KISA > > - if not, will look for a meeting place near KISA > > - if all of the above turns out to be unavailable...location could be > > changed to elsewhere;; > > > > Kind regards, > > Minjung > > > > 2016. 11. 6. 오전 9:38에 "Kenny Huang, Ph.D." <huangksh(a)gmail.com>님이 작성: > > > > > Excellent. > > > > > > Thank you Min Jung and all others for suffering my torture. > > > > > > Yours > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On 6 November 2016 at 12:04, Min Jung Park <flisha(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Kenny and all, > > >> > > >> KISA will coordinate the meeting venue for the Nov 13(sun) CJK Seoul > > >> meeting. > > >> > > >> I'll contact my colleagues in Korea to look for an adequate meeting > place. > > >> > > >> We miss you - Kenny and Wang Wei - in Hyserabad :) > > >> > > >> Look forward to seeing u all in Seoul. > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> Minjung > > >> > > >> 2016. 11. 6. 09:08에 "Kenny Huang, Ph.D." <huangksh(a)gmail.com>님이 작성: > > >> > > >> Dear All, > > >>> > > >>> After intensive discussion and confirmation for the last few hours. > > >>> The next CJK meeting will be held on 11/13 (Sun) 14:30 in Seoul. > > >>> Since many of CJK members will not attend IETF meeting, > > >>> can KISA (Minjung) help to coordinate a venue for the meeting. > > >>> I am terribly sorry for the last minute notice. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> Kenny > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > >

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coordination record in September CJK joint meeting
by 王伟 Nov. 11, 2016

Nov. 11, 2016

Dear Prof. Kim In the attached excel, I listed the coordination records in CJK joint meeting Taipei. Please check if it is the same as your record. Among the total 261 original unacceptable variant groups (258 + 5F37強 + 5191冑 + 9318錘), In the round 0, 53+55 go to C rule (in you don’t mind C takes the 53 neutral groups), 50 go to K rule In the round 1, 25 go to C rule, 13 go to K rule; in the round 2, 2 go to C, 3 go to K; which means, 25+13+2+3 = 43 variant groups have been solved. C and K reached a consensus on above 201 variant groups, leaving 60 groups unsolved. Let’s work closely to iron out our differences of the rest 60 in the coming IETF meeting. Regards WANG Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] New Version of CGP LGR Proposal
by 王伟 Nov. 10, 2016

Nov. 10, 2016

Dear All After we sent the second version of CGP proposal draft, IP gave out their feedback as the attached pdf. I will try to adjust the proposal in response to the IP suggestions item by item. The new version will be send to you all for comments before submit to IP. Also, In the coming IETF meeting held in SOUEL next week, some attendees from CGP, JGP and KGP will hold a face-to-face meeting. For those don’t attend IETF, ICANN will provide adobe connect as usual: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ The first round joint meeting is on 13th Nov, 1430 – 1800, UTC+9. Please join us if you can find the time. Regards WANG Wei 发件人: 王伟 [mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn] 发送时间: 2016年9月24日 20:36 收件人: ChineseGP(a)icann.org 抄送: Sarmad Hussain (sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org) <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org>; 'Edmon Chung' <edmon(a)registry.asia> 主题: New Version of CGP LGR Proposal Dear All With the aid of Mr. QI Chao, I just updated the CGP LGR proposal as attached file. In the new version, changes are as follows: 1) Repertoire merge the whole dotAsia IDN table into the CGP repertoire as IP recommended remove some IICore chars who has no variant relationship with CGP repertoire and are regarded as UNIQUE Japanese or Korean chars the total number of current repertoire is 19746 根据IP建议将整个dotAsia字集纳入全集中将一些与CGP无关的IICORE字符去除最新的全集包含19746个字符 2) Variant Mappings Redefine the variant mappings for some dotAsia chars according to CDNC variant mappings and the review result of 172 Hong Kong & JPRS chars in 2015 Redefine the 62 dotAsia chars from Unicode Supplementary Ideographic Plane as independent chars 根据2015年CDNC&CGP联合团队对172个字符的审议结论，以及CDNC原有的变体关系, 对dotAsia中的部分字符，进行了变体修改将dotAsia字表中的62个来自Supplementary Ideographic Plane的unicode字符，作为独立字符处理 3) Sub-type for variant Introduce “r-neither” into the XML LGR Define some new sub-types to eliminate multiple variant mappings and limit the number of allocatable labels (as a temporary informal solution) 根据IP建议，增加了“r-neither”类型提出一个临时解决方案，通过定义一些新的类型标签，来消除多重映射，以实现减少allocatable标签的数量。 4) Update the WLE rules due to the changes of sub-types 5) Update the CGP LGR in XML format Please check the attached documents and give your comments. I will revise the documents according to your suggestion and coordination result in CJK joint meeting next week, then send them to IP for further help. Best Regards WANG Wei 发件人: 王伟 [mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn] 发送时间: 2016年8月17日 15:27 收件人: ChineseGP(a)icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> 抄送: Sarmad Hussain (sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> ) <sarmad.hussain(a)icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org> > 主题: Re: Draft of CGP LGR Proposal Dear All CGP submit the first version of CGP LGR proposal late June. IP reviewed the proposal and sent us their feedback in two documents as attached, in which they suggest: ∙ Including HKSCS from dotAsia table to reach a maximum universality ∙ Importing a new variant sub-type of “r-neither” ∙ Correcting some editing errors on variant relationship. ∙ Providing more details on why importing code points which is not in the current second level practice. We will write out a new version based on all these suggestion and send out for your comments late August. After that, we will send the new version to IP again. Regards WANG Wei -----邮件原件----- 发件人: 王伟 [mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn] 发送时间: 2016年6月12日 21:23 收件人: ChineseGP(a)icann.org <mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> 主题: Draft of CGP LGR Proposal Dear ALL Though CGP work is stuck in the coordination on 260 unacceptable variant code points raised by KGP, as requested by Sarmad and IP, I drafted a draft version of CGP LGR proposal based on the current progress as the attached document. The purpose of this document is to give an overview of the proposed LGR in the XML format and the rationale behind the design. It includes the discussions of script features together with the communities or language environments using it, the process and methodology generate the code point repertoire, code point variants and the WLE. It also indicates the issues need further coordination. Please kindly review it and give your valuable advice on it before we send it to IP formally. Thank you very much~ Best regards WANG Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] Remote Participation for CJK SEL meeting on Sun., Nov. 13
by KIM Kyongsok Nov. 8, 2016

Nov. 8, 2016

Dear all: I would like to mention one thing. Since the CJK SEL meeting venue is not KISA, it is likely that remote participants may experience low quality connection. Sorry and thanks. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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We've started the CJK meeting
by HiroHOTTA Nov. 8, 2016

Nov. 8, 2016

Dear TWNIC folks, Where are you? Please come back to the same room as soon as possible. Hiro

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Agenda for CJK Mtg, with IP on Tue., 8 Nov.
by HiroHOTTA Nov. 8, 2016

Nov. 8, 2016

The draft agenda for Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs with IP - 2 (IDN) [C] @ MR 1.01 is item-1 : followup of 4 Nov. meeting (if any) item-2 : discussion mainly between CJK and ICANN with observation by IP on ideas to live with the limitation of the number of allocatable variants AOB Material for item-2 is attached to this mail - which is a revised version that I sent on 4. Nov. Hiro === PS. The most recent published schedule on ICANN's website shows : Tue 8 Nov 09:15-10:30 Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs with IP - 2 (IDN) [C] @ MR 1.01 Tue 8 Nov 11:00-12:15 Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs - 2 (IDN) [C] @ MR 1.01 which is the reserved order in the sheet Sarmad sent out a month ago. Hiro

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material for CJK coordination discussion 13:45-15:00 (IST) today in room 1.10
by HiroHOTTA Nov. 4, 2016

Nov. 4, 2016

Dear CJK colleagues, We have three items to be discussed in the meeting later today. item1. Options to deal with unresolved conflicts (Edmon) <discussion especially with IP> item2. Whether TLD application/evaluation process can be modified to allow labels with any combination of characters to be delegated and how to proceed such negotiation (JGP) <informal discussion especially with ICANN> item3. Issues raised by IP <may be or may not be related to item1 and/or item2> item4. AOB Here I send you the material for item2. It is the same document as we discussed in Taipei. Regards, Hiro

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Options to deal with unresolved conflicts
by Edmon Chung Nov. 4, 2016

Nov. 4, 2016

Hi Everyone, This is from our last meeting in Taipei for everyone's reference: ============================================= Option 1: Do not allow character to be applied for (remove from repertoire or use invalid type for characters in the variant set of concern so that any application for a string containing such characters are not allowed) Option 2: Allow as separate characters (Accept K temporarily)* Option 3: Allow IDN Variants (Accept C temporarily)* Korean applications: dependant on K rules Chinese applications: Applied for + Preferred IDN Variants (OR Applied for ONLY and all IDN Variants blocked) NOTE: this is for TOP-LEVEL Domain only and for the first version only (to be updated in future version) ============================================= Edmon

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