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RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS
by Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) July 28, 2005

July 28, 2005

Good catch; thanks for that. Does anyone else have a view on the tone and substance of this? Its not too late and other suggestions are still welcome for the next several hours. -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Harris [mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:38 AM To: Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie); ispcp(a)dnso.org Cc: tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com Subject: Re: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Maggie, Thank you for these truly excellent statements, which as a 'suffering' member of the WHOIS task forces since mid 2001, I fully support. Just an edit required in TOR statement, three lines above final paragraph "continue to pushing". Best regards Tony Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) <mailto:maggie.mansourkia@mci.com> To: ispcp(a)dnso.org Cc: tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear colleagues- Following up on our call earlier this week, please find my proposals for ISPCP constituency statements attached. 1) The first document incorporates changes we discussed on the conflict of law process. 2) The second document is a draft statement on the terms of reference tasks 1 and 2. As we discussed, there is not a whole lot to say on these particular tasks but rather, the stagnation of the whole process is what needs to be addressed. I draw your attention to the portion in the document titled "ISP Proposal" and welcome any thoughts or edits. These are very short documents so kindly review them today, if at all possible. I hope to finalize and forward these documents by 4PM EDT tomorrow. At the latest, we have promised the task force our statements will be provided by week's end. Thanks, Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:47 AM To: tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com; ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear Colleagues- Attached please find a proposed ISPCP statement on the Whois task force recommendation for conflict of law process. It would be great if we can finalize this document on today's call. We have an additional constituency statement to submit on the TF terms of reference, but I will need to hear from the other members before drafting our proposal, because I was on leave during much of the discussion that lead to the combining of the 3 task forces and new terms of reference. While the statements were due on the 21 July, all constituencies have requested and received an extension and thus, as long as we finalize our statements in the next few days, it should be ok. I look forward to speaking with you all later today. Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:25 PM To: ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear ISPCP colleagues A conference call will be held on Monday 25th July from 17.00 UK time ( 13.00 Washington, 14.00 Buenos Aires, 18.00 Paris see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html ). Apologies to Maruyama, for having to hold the call at a very unsociable hour in Tokyo, we will try to do better in future. Trying to arrange this at fairly short notice proved challenging, but it's important the ISPCP agree a statement that will be fed into the WHOIS task force and discuss the next stage of the process. Maggie Mansourkia will try to submit a draft response prior to the call. If you unable to join the call, comments on the draft are welcome. Call in details are as follows. Date: Monday 25th July Time: 17.00 GMT Number: +44 208 813 3300 PIN: 13754498# Regards Tony

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RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS
by tony.ar.holmes＠bt.com July 27, 2005

July 27, 2005

Maggie Thanks for all the hard work on this. The documents sum up the situation very well, and in the latter one the section 'ISP Proposal' couldn't put the case better. It sums up the frustrations that many others must share with this constituency, but in a very positive manner. Regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) [mailto:maggie.mansourkia@mci.com] Sent: 27 July 2005 12:47 To: ispcp(a)dnso.org Cc: Holmes,AR,Tony,CXM R Subject: RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear colleagues- Following up on our call earlier this week, please find my proposals for ISPCP constituency statements attached. 1) The first document incorporates changes we discussed on the conflict of law process. 2) The second document is a draft statement on the terms of reference tasks 1 and 2. As we discussed, there is not a whole lot to say on these particular tasks but rather, the stagnation of the whole process is what needs to be addressed. I draw your attention to the portion in the document titled "ISP Proposal" and welcome any thoughts or edits. These are very short documents so kindly review them today, if at all possible. I hope to finalize and forward these documents by 4PM EDT tomorrow. At the latest, we have promised the task force our statements will be provided by week's end. Thanks, Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:47 AM To: tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com; ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear Colleagues- Attached please find a proposed ISPCP statement on the Whois task force recommendation for conflict of law process. It would be great if we can finalize this document on today's call. We have an additional constituency statement to submit on the TF terms of reference, but I will need to hear from the other members before drafting our proposal, because I was on leave during much of the discussion that lead to the combining of the 3 task forces and new terms of reference. While the statements were due on the 21 July, all constituencies have requested and received an extension and thus, as long as we finalize our statements in the next few days, it should be ok. I look forward to speaking with you all later today. Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:25 PM To: ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear ISPCP colleagues A conference call will be held on Monday 25th July from 17.00 UK time ( 13.00 Washington, 14.00 Buenos Aires, 18.00 Paris see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html ). Apologies to Maruyama, for having to hold the call at a very unsociable hour in Tokyo, we will try to do better in future. Trying to arrange this at fairly short notice proved challenging, but it's important the ISPCP agree a statement that will be fed into the WHOIS task force and discuss the next stage of the process. Maggie Mansourkia will try to submit a draft response prior to the call. If you unable to join the call, comments on the draft are welcome. Call in details are as follows. Date: Monday 25th July Time: 17.00 GMT Number: +44 208 813 3300 PIN: 13754498# Regards Tony

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RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS
by Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) July 27, 2005

July 27, 2005

Dear colleagues- Following up on our call earlier this week, please find my proposals for ISPCP constituency statements attached. 1) The first document incorporates changes we discussed on the conflict of law process. 2) The second document is a draft statement on the terms of reference tasks 1 and 2. As we discussed, there is not a whole lot to say on these particular tasks but rather, the stagnation of the whole process is what needs to be addressed. I draw your attention to the portion in the document titled "ISP Proposal" and welcome any thoughts or edits. These are very short documents so kindly review them today, if at all possible. I hope to finalize and forward these documents by 4PM EDT tomorrow. At the latest, we have promised the task force our statements will be provided by week's end. Thanks, Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:47 AM To: tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com; ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear Colleagues- Attached please find a proposed ISPCP statement on the Whois task force recommendation for conflict of law process. It would be great if we can finalize this document on today's call. We have an additional constituency statement to submit on the TF terms of reference, but I will need to hear from the other members before drafting our proposal, because I was on leave during much of the discussion that lead to the combining of the 3 task forces and new terms of reference. While the statements were due on the 21 July, all constituencies have requested and received an extension and thus, as long as we finalize our statements in the next few days, it should be ok. I look forward to speaking with you all later today. Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:25 PM To: ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear ISPCP colleagues A conference call will be held on Monday 25th July from 17.00 UK time ( 13.00 Washington, 14.00 Buenos Aires, 18.00 Paris see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html ). Apologies to Maruyama, for having to hold the call at a very unsociable hour in Tokyo, we will try to do better in future. Trying to arrange this at fairly short notice proved challenging, but it's important the ISPCP agree a statement that will be fed into the WHOIS task force and discuss the next stage of the process. Maggie Mansourkia will try to submit a draft response prior to the call. If you unable to join the call, comments on the draft are welcome. Call in details are as follows. Date: Monday 25th July Time: 17.00 GMT Number: +44 208 813 3300 PIN: 13754498# Regards Tony

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RE: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS
by Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) July 25, 2005

July 25, 2005

Dear Colleagues- Attached please find a proposed ISPCP statement on the Whois task force recommendation for conflict of law process. It would be great if we can finalize this document on today's call. We have an additional constituency statement to submit on the TF terms of reference, but I will need to hear from the other members before drafting our proposal, because I was on leave during much of the discussion that lead to the combining of the 3 task forces and new terms of reference. While the statements were due on the 21 July, all constituencies have requested and received an extension and thus, as long as we finalize our statements in the next few days, it should be ok. I look forward to speaking with you all later today. Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of tony.ar.holmes(a)bt.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:25 PM To: ispcp(a)dnso.org; carsten(a)ripe.net Subject: [ispcp] Constituency Conference call on WHOIS Dear ISPCP colleagues A conference call will be held on Monday 25th July from 17.00 UK time ( 13.00 Washington, 14.00 Buenos Aires, 18.00 Paris see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html ). Apologies to Maruyama, for having to hold the call at a very unsociable hour in Tokyo, we will try to do better in future. Trying to arrange this at fairly short notice proved challenging, but it's important the ISPCP agree a statement that will be fed into the WHOIS task force and discuss the next stage of the process. Maggie Mansourkia will try to submit a draft response prior to the call. If you unable to join the call, comments on the draft are welcome. Call in details are as follows. Date: Monday 25th July Time: 17.00 GMT Number: +44 208 813 3300 PIN: 13754498# Regards Tony

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Constituency Conference call on WHOIS
by tony.ar.holmes＠bt.com July 19, 2005

July 19, 2005

Dear ISPCP colleagues A conference call will be held on Monday 25th July from 17.00 UK time ( 13.00 Washington, 14.00 Buenos Aires, 18.00 Paris see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html ). Apologies to Maruyama, for having to hold the call at a very unsociable hour in Tokyo, we will try to do better in future. Trying to arrange this at fairly short notice proved challenging, but it's important the ISPCP agree a statement that will be fed into the WHOIS task force and discuss the next stage of the process. Maggie Mansourkia will try to submit a draft response prior to the call. If you unable to join the call, comments on the draft are welcome. Call in details are as follows. Date: Monday 25th July Time: 17.00 GMT Number: +44 208 813 3300 PIN: 13754498# Regards Tony

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by tony.ar.holmes＠bt.com July 17, 2005

July 17, 2005

Dear ISPCP colleagues Attached is the statement on the current strategic plan, made on behalf of the Constituency during last Thursdays ICANN Public Forum. You may be interested to know that I received quite a lot of positive feedback from a diverse range of people who all shared this view. Regards Tony

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RE: RE: [ispcp] A request from the community
by Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) July 12, 2005

July 12, 2005

I would normally be happy to volunteer but think it should be someone who has some idea of the actual points of contention, and I don't know enough (actually, anything) about that. He is interested in learning exactly what portions are objectionable and exploring whether there are more substantial portions where there is some agreement. I'm not sure if there can be adequate opportunity to provide that prior to Friday, but we can offer up some times subject to availability of Tony or Mark's (or anyone else who can speak to the specifics). His answer to Mark's key point below is that any strat plan cannot remain static, and changes are important and normal...even with consensus, we'll be making changes, so why not move along now and get on with it. These are my words, and not a quote, but be ready to address the general notion. -----Original Message----- From: Mark McFadden [mailto:mcfadden@21st-century-texts.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:21 AM To: Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) Subject: RE: RE: [ispcp] A request from the community I think we should do this. Vint is very reasonable on this and I think he would listen to our argument about the current operational plan acting as a placeholder. It would be especially helpful to have this as a dialogue: perhaps Maggie and Tony leading the way. Another key point is the realization that the Strategic plan does not have consensus buy-in. Vint seems to accept that: my argument is that a Strategic Plan not built on consensus process is more dangerous than no plan at all. I can imagine the detractors of ICANN saying: "yes, you have a strategic plan; but you didn't follow your own procedures to develop it." mark >----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >From: "Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie)" ><maggie.mansourkia(a)mci.com> >To: Greg Ruth <greg_ruth(a)yahoo.com>, > Mark McFadden <mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com>, >ispcp(a)icann.org >Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:00:57 > >That's a good point. Maybe in the note where Mark >attaches the >statement, there can be a few bullet points on the >strongest of >arguments you guys raised at MDP. He is a little >worn out today, but >wants to hear us out without the background noise >from MC and >yesterday's larger group. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org >[mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On >Behalf Of Greg Ruth >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:45 AM >To: Mark McFadden; ispcp(a)icann.org >Cc: mcf(a)uwm.edu >Subject: Re: [ispcp] A request from the community > >Mark, > I think giving our statement to Vint is a >splendid idea. However, >if he is looking for facts to support a cogent >argument against >adopting the current strat plan, namely *why* the >strat plan is not a >consensus document, someone would have to give him >more ammunition than >our statement contains. Yes, we went over all that >at Mar del Plata, >but some memories are short. > >My $0.02, >Greg > >--- Mark McFadden <mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com> >wrote: > >> All: >> >> Vint Cerf has asked to see out DRAFT statement on >the strategic plan. >> He would like to see it today. I haven't >supplied it to him -- >> prior to getting approval from the constituency. >> >> If you have objections to giving Vint a copy of >the DRAFT version of >> the statement, let me know by 1630 today, >Luxembourg time. If I hear >> objections, I'll forward a reasonable message to >Vint. >> >> mark >> >> >> Mark McFadden >> 21st Century Texts >> Madison Wisconsin >> mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com Mark McFadden 21st Century Texts Madison Wisconsin mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com

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RE: [ispcp] A request from the community
by Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) July 12, 2005

July 12, 2005

That's a good point. Maybe in the note where Mark attaches the statement, there can be a few bullet points on the strongest of arguments you guys raised at MDP. He is a little worn out today, but wants to hear us out without the background noise from MC and yesterday's larger group. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ruth Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:45 AM To: Mark McFadden; ispcp(a)icann.org Cc: mcf(a)uwm.edu Subject: Re: [ispcp] A request from the community Mark, I think giving our statement to Vint is a splendid idea. However, if he is looking for facts to support a cogent argument against adopting the current strat plan, namely *why* the strat plan is not a consensus document, someone would have to give him more ammunition than our statement contains. Yes, we went over all that at Mar del Plata, but some memories are short. My $0.02, Greg --- Mark McFadden <mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com> wrote: > All: > > Vint Cerf has asked to see out DRAFT statement on the strategic plan. > He would like to see it today. I haven't supplied it to him -- > prior to getting approval from the constituency. > > If you have objections to giving Vint a copy of the DRAFT version of > the statement, let me know by 1630 today, Luxembourg time. If I hear > objections, I'll forward a reasonable message to Vint. > > mark > > > Mark McFadden > 21st Century Texts > Madison Wisconsin > mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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A request from the community
by Mark McFadden July 12, 2005

July 12, 2005

All: Vint Cerf has asked to see out DRAFT statement on the strategic plan. He would like to see it today. I haven't supplied it to him -- prior to getting approval from the constituency. If you have objections to giving Vint a copy of the DRAFT version of the statement, let me know by 1630 today, Luxembourg time. If I hear objections, I'll forward a reasonable message to Vint. mark Mark McFadden 21st Century Texts Madison Wisconsin mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com

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RE: [ispcp] A request from the community
by Mansourkia, Magnolia (Maggie) July 12, 2005

July 12, 2005

Mark- I think it will be constructive to share the draft with Vint today. However, please change the redlined text to black (don't care whether you accept or remove it) so that it will be a "constituency statement", however in draft form. Does that make sense? Thanks, Maggie Magnolia Mansourkia Director Internet and Ecommerce Law, MCI 202-736-6448 Voice 202-736-6460 Fax 222-6448 Vnet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ispcp(a)gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ispcp@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mark McFadden Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:49 AM To: ispcp(a)icann.org Cc: mcf(a)uwm.edu Subject: [ispcp] A request from the community All: Vint Cerf has asked to see out DRAFT statement on the strategic plan. He would like to see it today. I haven't supplied it to him -- prior to getting approval from the constituency. If you have objections to giving Vint a copy of the DRAFT version of the statement, let me know by 1630 today, Luxembourg time. If I hear objections, I'll forward a reasonable message to Vint. mark Mark McFadden 21st Century Texts Madison Wisconsin mcfadden(a)21st-century-texts.com

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