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Re: [Rt4-whois] Next conference call - PROPOSAL
by sharon.lemon＠soca.x.gsi.gov.uk Feb. 8, 2011

Feb. 8, 2011

NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED -- Converted from text/plain format --> Me too - although I will be on a train. Sharon Sharon LEMON OBE Deputy Director Cyber and Forensics Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) 07768 290902 -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Bill Sent: 08 February 2011 00:06 To: Alice Jansen Cc: Kathage, Tristan; rt4-whois(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Next conference call - PROPOSAL Importance: High 14:00 UTC is my preference. On Feb 7, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Alice Jansen wrote: Dear Review Team Members, According to our conference call calendar, the next WHOIS RT session is scheduled for 16 February at 4:00 UTC - https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreview/TeleConferences. Please note that this time was initially added to the calendar to accommodate Australia in line with our rotation system. As Peter is out of office for the next two weeks, the RT Chair suggested that we should opt for a time that is more convenient for the RT. Since 14:00 UTC used to be the preferred time last autumn for your calls (in line with Doodle poll results), we are putting forward this alternative for your consideration. Please advise whether this is acceptable. Rest assured that we will circulate a doodle poll should concerns or drawbacks be raised in reaction to this proposal. Thank you, Very best regards Alice <ATT00001..txt> _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. This information is supplied in confidence by SOCA, and is exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It may also be subject to exemption under other UK legislation. Onward disclosure may be unlawful, for example, under the Data Protection Act 1998. Requests for disclosure to the public must be referred to the SOCA FOI single point of contact, by email on PICUEnquiries(a)soca.x.gsi.gov.uk or by telephoning 0870 268 8677. All E-Mail sent and received by SOCA is scanned and subject to assessment. Messages sent or received by SOCA staff are not private and may be the subject of lawful business monitoring. E-Mail may be passed at any time and without notice to an appropriate branch within SOCA, on authority from the Director General or his Deputy for analysis. This E-Mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes.

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Law Enforcement proposals
by Lutz Donnerhacke Feb. 4, 2011

Feb. 4, 2011

Law Enforcement shall be defined as: an organization or the activity of an organization all of which are authorized by a nationally or internationally recognized government to maintain, co-ordinate, and enforce (secular or religious) laws, regulations, or multi-national treaty obligations within the internationally recognized authorized boundaries of that nationally or internationally recognized government to maintain, implement, and enforce: social order, public safety, business and societal regulations, services and facilities, and legal compliance. Or A law enforcement agency is an government agency responsible for the enforcement of the laws, which is subject to judicial or open civil overview. Think about a) Gouvernment executive agencies (like police) b) Secret service c) Military service d) Lawyers in their position at court trials e) Lawyers (without restrictions) f) Everybody dealing with Intellectual Property (cease and desist letters) g) Commercial Abuse figherts (like Antispammers, Antivirus, Network Operators) h) Noncommmercial Abuse fighters (like CERTS and Antispammers) i) Private Abuse fighters (mainly Antispammers and Network Operators)

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ICANN public session change of time
by Emily Taylor Feb. 3, 2011

Feb. 3, 2011

Dear all Thanks for a productive call yesterday. We had agreed Wednesday 2pm for our public outreach session to avoid conflict with the gNSO. This morning I have been informed that the gNSO now intend to hold their session at 2pm on Wednesday. As the deadline for finalising the programme looms I have asked the ICANN staff to schedule our public session for 11-12 on Wednesday morning. Emily Sent from my iPhone

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Please can you mute your phones if not speaking?
by Emily Taylor Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

We're getting some background noise 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK telephone: 01865 582 811 mobile: 07540 049 322 emily.taylor(a)etlaw.co.uk www.etlaw.co.uk

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WHOIS REVIEW TEAM MEETING - London - notes
by Olof Nordling Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

Dear Review Team Members, The attached notes from the London meeting were approved at the RT conference call today, subject to any further comments or edits by team members to the list before 16.00 UTC on Friday 4 February. Best regards Olof

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Call on Wednesday - preparation, and suggested agenda items
by Emily Taylor Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

Dear all I'm sure that, like me, you'll be shocked to learn that, next Wednesday, it will be two weeks since our face to face meeting! I'm therefore writing with some suggestions to prepare for our next call. As we decided at our London meeting, the next conference call is taking place this Wednesday at 16:00 UTC. Bearing in mind our action plan, our priority for this call should be to agree definitions and preliminary questions for public comment prior to the San Francisco meeting. It would be useful to have materials circulated in advance of the call, especially from those groups working on definitions (C, D, E, F). In preparation for this meeting, we are hoping each subteam will report on: 1. current status, 2. an outline of what they might propose in our public comment period. 3. questions for ICANN staff (questions based on London Compliance and/or Policy presentations, any ICANN materials posted to the Whois Wiki, or as needed), 4. research and support items the Subteam might need, Alice is ready to help subteams with creating Doodle polls and setting up conference bridges for sub-teams (all calls will be recorded and archived unless otherwise requested). Early next week, we will also be circulating a short report of our meeting for review, approval and publication by the group. As a reminder, here are our Subteams: A. What is the Whois Policy? -- James, Kathy, Wilfried; B. Whois Policy Implementation Review: Peter, Bill, Emily, Michael; C. Law Enforcement: Kim, Sharon, Wilfried and Lutz; D. Consumers and Consumer Trust Sarmad, Olivier, Lynn, Peter, Bill; E. Applicable laws: Kim, Omar, Michael, Lynn; F. Producers and Maintainers of Whois Data: James, Susan, Wilfried (with Omar looking into the related question of who "owns" the data) Is there anything else we should add to the agenda? Kind regards Emily 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK telephone: 01865 582 811 mobile: 07540 049 322 emily.taylor(a)etlaw.co.uk www.etlaw.co.uk

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Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/
by Olof Nordling Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

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unmute my line
by Kathy Kleiman Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

Could my line please be unmated by the operator?? Kathy Kleiman Director of Policy .ORG, The Public Interest Registry Direct: +1 703-889-5756 | Mobile:+1 703-371-6846| www.pir.org<http://www.pir.org> | Find us on Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pir.org> | .ORG Blog<http://www.pir.org/orgbuzz> | Flickr<http://flickr.com/orgbuzz> | YouTube<http://youtube.com/orgbuzz> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/ORGBuzz> | Confidentiality Note: Proprietary and confidential to .ORG, The Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete.

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Questionare Admin Interface
by Lutz Donnerhacke Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

If you like you might add your own areas and questions using: http://whois-rt4-survey.iks-jena.de/admin.php I'm still in the "collection" phase for myself.

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Agenda and summary of comments - Our Call Today
by Emily Taylor Feb. 2, 2011

Feb. 2, 2011

Dear All On 29 January, I sent around a suggested agenda for today's call, which was essentially to hear from the sub-groups dealing with definitional work, and also catch up from the Policy and Implementation subgroups. Alice circulated meeting notes from our London meeting on 31 January, which are attached. I would also like to recap on the arrangements for our Face to Face meeting in September. Therefore, my proposed agenda today is: ------------------ Agenda 1. Roll call and apologies 2. Adoption of agenda 3. London meeting notes, comments and adoption 4. Information - September meeting 5. Report from subgroups (C,D,E,F): - Current Status - Outline of proposed content for public comment period - Questions for ICANN staff - Research and support items required. 6. Progress report - Policy and Implementation subgroups (A & B). 7. AOB Kind regards Emily Here is a copy of what I have received so far from the subgroups: -------------------- Law Enforcement an organization or the activity of an organization all of which are authorized by a nationally or internationally recognized government to maintain, co-ordinate, and enforce laws, regulations, or multi-national treaty obligations within the internationally recognized authorized boundaries of that nationally or internationally recognized government [awaiting comments from Lutz] --------------------- Applicable Laws An agreed understanding for the purpose of WHOIS review: national laws related to personal data protection and data privacy, implementing internationally recognized legal norms such as the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N.Guidelines for the Regulation of Computerized Personal Data Files. Comment from Peter Nettlefold: My comment on this is that we could consider, particularly at this stage of the review, keeping our definitions or understandings of terms as broad as possible. This is partly because I think that it may be better to have some overlap in our definitions by keeping them broad, rather than risk missing something by having them too narrow. In the case of ‘applicable laws’, my suggestion is to keep our definition open so that it can potentially include any relevant/applicable laws. Privacy laws will obviously be a key part of this, but there may be other laws that we haven’t yet identified. As we discussed in London, I think this issue is common to each of our definitional questions. For example, privacy issues should also be raised in the ‘consumer trust’ area, and I’ve put forward some comments to that sub-group to that effect ------------------ Producers and Maintainers RT4 Members: I can report that I have met with our in-house Legal folks to research the following questions. It is not likely that we will have a final response in time for our Wednesday call, but I should have something back to this group by Friday at the latest. Please review the questions and let me know if you spot any omissions or errors. 1. Who "owns" the WHOIS data? * RAA Section 3.5 ("Rights in Data") * RAA Section 3.6 ("Data Escrow") and Registrar Data Escrow (RDE) Specifications (http://www.icann.org/en/rde/rde-specs-09nov07.pdf ) 2. Where do Registrar obligations under current WHOIS policy reside? * RAA * Consensus Policy * RRA (Registry / Registrar Agreement) * WHOIS Protocol (RFC 3912) * Local law * Others? 76 Temple Road, Oxford OX4 2EZ UK telephone: 01865 582 811 mobile: 07540 049 322 emily.taylor(a)etlaw.co.uk www.etlaw.co.uk

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