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Timeline - ICANN62: Schedule of RPM PDP Working Group Meetings
by Julie Hedlund July 13, 2018

July 13, 2018

Dear Working Group members, Please see below the schedule and links for the RPM PDP Working Group meetings at ICANN62. With respect to Session 2: Discussion on Procedural Issues, please see the attached latest timeline for the work of the PDP. Panama City ICANN62: Face-to-Face Full RPM PDP WG Meetings (with remote participation in the links below): Wednesday, 27 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 1: URS Data discussion—1) Presentation from URS Practitioners Sub Team re: Survey Results; 2) Update from TMCH Data Sub Team; 3) Update from URS Documents Sub Team see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699479 Thursday, 28 June, 09:00-10:15 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 2: Discussion on Procedural Issues see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699483 Thursday, 28 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 3: URS Providers Sub Team Working Session see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699484 Please also see the full ICANN62 schedule at: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings. Best, Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie

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Adobe Connect Link
by Ariel Liang June 27, 2018

June 27, 2018

Hello everyone, The URL to AC is: https://participate.icann.org/pty62-salon7 Thank you, Mary, Julie, Ariel, and Berry

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Misleading Slides (was Re: URS Practitioners Survey Results and Presentation for ICANN62)
by George Kirikos June 27, 2018

June 27, 2018

Hi folks, In preparation for today's call, I reviewed the slides, and compared them with the "raw" results in the 2nd PDF. It's important to note that on the agenda page on the wiki (https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699479) only the summary presentation is linked to, and not the raw results (which we received by email). The presentation is highly misleading (by omission), in particular for page 6, where it purports to neutrally summarize all the respondents to the survey. But, the actual survey question it's reporting was (from page 1 of the raw results) "In how many URS proceedings have you been involved as Complainant or its representative?" The related question (from page 2) "2. In how many URS proceedings have you been involved as Respondent or its representative?" was very clear that there was not a single response from practitioners who've represented Respondents." By omitting the actual questions from the survey, the presentation makes it appear (to someone who has not done a deep dive into the raw results) that this was a balanced survey of practitioners who represent both complainants and respondents to URS disputes. That could not be further from the truth, and so the results must be taken with a grain of salt. This was the equivalent of doing a survey of criminal attorneys, with all the responses from criminal prosecutors and without any responses from criminal defense lawyers. Furthermore, if we go to the raw questions, we had explicitly contemplated receiving input from those who'd only been involved in 1 or 2 cases (i.e. the "answer choices" for the first two questions were: 1 to 2, 3 to 5, 5 to 10, 10 or more, none). Yet, somehow in the implementation of the survey, it only "selected URS practitioners who had handled 5 cases or more" (page 5 of the presentation). This further skewed the results, and was inconsistent with the intent of the survey's questions. By the way, the survey claims to have "34 practitioners" on the "final list", but page 5 actually lists 36 in the right hand column. There's no explanation for that discrepancy. In summary, this appears to be yet another unrepresentative small sample, that is ultimately destined for the dust bin (along with the previously discredited INTA study). ICANN staff should add the PDF with the raw results to the agenda page, lest anyone be misled by this presentation. Sincerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/ On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund(a)icann.org> wrote: > Dear RPM PDP Working Group members, > > > > On behalf of the URS Practitioners Sub Team, please see the attached > documents for your reference for the presentation that the Sub Team will > provide to the Working Group at ICANN62 during the following session: > > > > Wednesday, 27 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting > Session 1: 1) Presentation from URS Practitioners Sub Team re: Survey > Results; 2) Update from TMCH Data Sub Team; 3) Update from URS Documents Sub > Team > > see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699479 > > > > The attachments are the results of the responses to the URS practitioners > survey, and the slides for the Sub Team’s presentation. > > > > Best regards, > > Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie > > > _______________________________________________ > gnso-rpm-wg mailing list > gnso-rpm-wg(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg

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URS Practitioners Survey Results and Presentation for ICANN62
by Julie Hedlund June 21, 2018

June 21, 2018

Dear RPM PDP Working Group members, On behalf of the URS Practitioners Sub Team, please see the attached documents for your reference for the presentation that the Sub Team will provide to the Working Group at ICANN62 during the following session: Wednesday, 27 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 1: 1) Presentation from URS Practitioners Sub Team re: Survey Results; 2) Update from TMCH Data Sub Team; 3) Update from URS Documents Sub Team see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699479 The attachments are the results of the responses to the URS practitioners survey, and the slides for the Sub Team’s presentation. Best regards, Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie

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Update-ICANN62: Schedule of RPM PDP Working Group Meetings
by Julie Hedlund June 21, 2018

June 21, 2018

Dear Working Group members, Please see below the updated schedule and links for the RPM PDP Working Group meetings at ICANN62. Panama City ICANN62: Face-to-Face Full RPM PDP WG Meetings (with remote participation in the links below): Wednesday, 27 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 1: URS Data discussion—1) Presentation from URS Practitioners Sub Team re: Survey Results; 2) Update from TMCH Data Sub Team; 3) Update from URS Documents Sub Team see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699479 Thursday, 28 June, 09:00-10:15 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 2: Discussion on Procedural Issues see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699483 Thursday, 28 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 3: URS Providers Sub Team Working Session see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699484 Please also see the full ICANN62 schedule at: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings. Best, Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie

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Recordings, attendance & AC chat for Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 20 June 2018
by Andrea Glandon June 20, 2018

June 20, 2018

Dear all, Please find the attendance and AC Chat attached to this email, and the MP3 & AC recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group call held Wednesday, 20 June 2018 at 17:00 UTC. Attendance and recording of the call is also posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/8ywFBQ MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-20jun18-en.mp3 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_g…> AC Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p6k2t4ndox6/<https://participate.icann.org/p6k2t4ndox6/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d78a3b860d49eb9d…> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar [gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_grou…> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/ Main wiki page for the working group: https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…> Thank you. Kind Regards, Andrea Glandon

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Actions & Notes: RPM PDP Working Group Meeting 20 June 2018
by Julie Hedlund June 20, 2018

June 20, 2018

Dear All, Please see below the action items and brief notes captured by staff from the Working Group call held on 20 June 2018 (1700 UTC). Please note that these will be high-level notes and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript or recording. Staff have posted to the wiki space the action items and notes at: https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2018+Meetings. Best regards, Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie Action Items: Staff will send to the Working Group the updated list of RPM PDP Working Group sessions at ICANN62 including links to remote participation. Notes: 1. Review Agenda/Statements of Interest: None. 2. Status of TMCH Data Sub Team Work -- The Sub Team is reviewing the draft questions developed by the AG. Now progressed through registry, registrar, TM/brand owner, and registrant surveys. On the upcoming call the Sub Team will be reviewing the potential registrant survey. -- AG will provide updated draft survey questions for the Sub Team to review. After beta testing, AG will launch the surveys and we expect to receive the responses by the Aug timeframe. 3. Status of URS Practitioner, Provider, and Documents Sub Team Work URS Practitioner Sub Team Update: -- Results are in. Survey went to 38 practitioners and there were 14 responses from practitioners handling more than 10 cases each. -- Sub Team has reviewed the results. -- Sub Team will send the results and presentation to the WG. -- Sub Team will provide a presentation to the WG in ICANN62. -- Co-Chairs are keen to see what suggestions come out of the survey results. URS Providers Sub Team Update: -- Majority of the survey results are in. FORUM needs to review some cases. -- Hoping to have all results in before we meet with the providers in Panama. -- Results so far are useful. -- Begin to discuss policy options in July/August. -- All providers can join in Panama. URS Documents Sub Team Update: -- Contingencies with Providers and Practitioners surveys. -- Places where that Sub Team identified direction from the full WG or from Rebecca's research. -- Looking at our work so far it has been trying to understand what documents and data could be collected. -- Next step is to see if there are any trends to look into. -- When the Documents Sub Team met with the plenary WG in April we provided a summary of activities including the 14 cases where an appeal was filed and findings from that. -- Met last week and reviewed additional data that relate to the different topics in our matrix. -- Sub Team needs to regroup to understand the details of that data. -- URS case information from providers, coding spreadsheet from Rebecca, queries of WHOIS of those domains: first area that we reviewed was a domain disposition snapshot; second, taking a quick look at where there were multiple cases filed against the same domain nam; third, response analysis (Rebecca's coding spreadsheet) -- 14 days or 6-month period; fourth, analysis of those cases where the claim was denied -- were able to subdivide those 59 cases between where a response was filed and no response was filed but the claim was still denied. -- Still more work to do and re-review our inventory and look at the questions and what was addressed or not. -- Package a deliverable for the full WG. -- Provide more detail in Panama, but very much preliminary. -- Hope to report back to the full WG by the end of July. Need to wrap up before the TMCH survey data comes back. 4. ICANN62 Sessions Update: Panama City ICANN62: Face-to-Face Full RPM PDP WG Meetings (with remote participation in the links below): Wednesday, 27 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 1: URS Data discussion—1) Presentation from URS Practitioners Sub Team re: Survey Results; 2) Update from URS Documents Sub Team; 3) Update from TMCH Data Sub Team see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699479 Thursday, 28 June, 09:00-10:15 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 2: Discussion on Procedural Issues see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699483 Thursday, 28 June, 10:30-12:00 (Panama City UTC-5): RPM PDP WG Meeting Session 3: URS Providers Sub Team Working Session see: https://62.schedule.icann.org/meetings/699484 -- This is a compressed ICANN meeting and there are conflicting meetings, but we do want to encourage people as much as possible to attend the RPM meetings in person or remotely. 5. AOB: None.

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WG Call today - a software point
by Kathy Kleiman June 20, 2018

June 20, 2018

Hi All, Quick note for today's call. We are back to using Adobe Connect, and if you have not used AC in awhile, there are upgrades and patches to download. We've found it takes a little time... a few minutes. Also, if Adobe Connect does not work in one browser, please try another. (The crazy world of software!) Best, Kathy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Proposed Agenda: RPM PDP WG Meeting 20 June at 1700 UTC
by Julie Hedlund June 19, 2018

June 19, 2018

Dear RPM PDP Working Group members, Please see below the proposed draft agenda for the RPM PDP WG meeting on Wednesday, 20 June at 1700 UTC for 30 minutes: Draft Agenda: Review Agenda/Statements of Interest Status of TMCH Data Sub Team Work Status of URS Practitioner, Provider, and Documents Sub Team Work ICANN62 Sessions Update AOB Best regards, Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie

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Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 09 May 2018 at 1200 UTC
by Paul Keating June 18, 2018

June 18, 2018

Hi Mary, Given the extensive emails that were exchanged (all of which were in favor of his nomination) can we dispense with the 20-30 mins allocated to #2 (or at least streamline it? I would really like to focus on #4. So I suggest a revision to the order as follows: Draft Agenda: 1. Roll call and updates to Statements of Interest (1 minute) 2. Co-Chair Nomination: > 1. Q&A with Brian Beckham > 2. Discussion > 3. Decision on Co-Chair Nomination (10 minutes total) 3. Presentation of Research from Rebecca Tushnet (30-40 minutes) 4. discussion of URS Phase II proposal (tentative-if necessary/30 minutes) 5. Status of meetings for 16 and 23 May (1 minute) Paul Keating From: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund(a)icann.org> Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:41 PM To: "gnso-rpm-wg(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg(a)icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 09 May 2018 at 1200 UTC > Dear RPM PDP WG members, > > Per the WG Co-Chairs, here is the proposed agenda for the Working Group call > Wednesday, 09 May 2018, scheduled for 1700 UTC. Times are proposed as > estimates and may be adjusted. > > Staff notes that the GDD Summit and RightsCon conflict with the WG meeting on > the 16th, and the INTA meeting conflicts with the WG meeting the 23rd, so it > will be very helpful if WG members could indicate their availability for those > dates. > > Draft Agenda: > 1. Roll call and updates to Statements of Interest (1 minute) > 2. Co-Chair Nomination: >> 1. Q&A with Brian Beckham >> 2. Discussion >> 3. Decision on Co-Chair Nomination (20-29 minutes total) > 3. Continued discussion of URS Phase II proposal (tentative-if necessary/30 > minutes) > 4. Presentation of Research from Rebecca Tushnet (30 minutes) > 5. Status of meetings for 16 and 23 May (1 minute) > > Best regards, > Mary, Julie, Ariel and Berry > > > _______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list > gnso-rpm-wg(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg

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