May 2008 - NA-Discuss - lists.icann.org

Welcome PCNA!
by Evan Leibovitch May 16, 2008

May 16, 2008

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome North America's newest At-Large Structure, the Pacific Network Community Association and Bev Collins, PCNA's representative to ICANN. Bev, I hope you'll find this mailing list useful in both bringing you up to speed on ICANN issues (if you're not there already) as well as providing a well-read forum for your views and contributions. There are no dumb questions and no shortage of people here who are well versed in ICANN's history, culture and ... idiosyncrasies. :-) Again, welcome, and I look forward to your contribution to our community! Evan Leibovitch Chair, NARALO

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Welcome PCNA to ICANN At-Large!
by At-Large Staff May 16, 2008

May 16, 2008

TO: Pacific Community Networks Association (PCNA) FROM: ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) SUBJECT: At-Large Structure Certification ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform you that the Pacific Community Networks Association (PCNA) has been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC greatly appreciates your group¹s interest in involving individual users in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues. The purpose of ALS certification is to recognize that your organization meets the necessary criteria to involve individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN activities, and that your organization will support its individual members' informed participation in ICANN efforts that affect end-users. The ALAC is eager to promote a productive working relationship between your organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (and ICANN in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be greatly appreciated. We would like to offer some initial tools to help your organization keep its members informed (about significant news from ICANN and information on ICANN policy-development efforts) and engaged in activities of interest: - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org identifying the names and email addresses of one or two individuals who will be the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If this changes, please let us know. - At Large Mailing Lists. There are many At Large email lists, for each region; you can signup for them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact you identify will automatically be added to your region¹s list just for accredited ALSes to discuss regional issues; you are invited to join others as you wish. - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable individuals interested in your group's activities to contact you, and to encourage cooperation with other groups interested in ICANN activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of this note to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. - ALAC website. The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to individual Internet users. We encourage you to provide your members with a link. The ALAC relies on volunteers to translate information into multiple languages. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and should be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional webpages also have been created to distribute information (including in local languages) on activities, events and issues of particular interest to people in each region. These are being very substantially revised in the next couple of weeks but you should keep the URLs handy and check back regularly. They are: African Region: http://www.afralo.org/ Asia/Australia/Pacific Region: http://www.apralo.org/ European Region: http://www.euralo.org/ Latin America/Caribbean Region: http://www.lacralo.org/ North American Region: http://www.naralo.org/ - Regional WiKi: Each At Large Region has a Wiki that allows the region to collaborate. These are maintained by the community and create the regional websites shown above. This framework is in the final stages of preparation but if you wish to have a user account, send an email to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to advance individual Internet users' interests within ICANN. If you have any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. Sincerely, The At-Large Advisory Committee www.atlarge.icann.org staff(a)atlarge.icann.org --------------------------- Name: Location (city/country/region; whatever is relevant to your membership): Mission: Member benefits: Contacts (name/s and email address/es -- title/s optional): Website: Other (additional informational you would like included): -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 14, 2008

May 14, 2008

Robert, Khaled, and all, I think Khaled already proved my point in that he uses a Gmail account which has already been recently reported as a "Spam Machine". As you know Robert, purposefully propagating Spam is an very onerous and an illegal activity. As such, we all now know that such remarks and statements are inconsistent with fact for instance See: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080510-security-flaw-turns-gmail-int… FWIW to you Robert, I, and all our members would greatly and kindly appreciate you discontinue such misleading and factually incorrect statements. -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 13, 2008 5:51 AM >To: Khaled KOUBAA <khaled.koubaa(a)gmail.com> >Cc: icann-list(a)sorehands.com, At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov, mike(a)palage.com, Paul Twomey <twomey(a)icann.org>, carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm, CWallace(a)cygnacom.com, Jeff Neuman <Jeff.Neuman(a)neustar.us>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach > >Khaled: > >First, thanks for your comments. > >My original email was to assess, if ICANN/At-Large staff had >undertaken any efforts or is planning any such efforts to involve and >engage internet users from the middle east and/or north african region >for the upcoming fall public meeting in Egypt. I am well aware of the >geopolitical issues of the region - indeed they are complex. However, >it is a region with a growing and vibrant online community of bloggers >and internet governance specialists. > >Through my involvement and engagement with Diplo Foundation, Global >Voices, and many other organizations that I advise - I have a great >deal of contact with people in the region who are active on the >internet . They are experts in internet governance, journalists, >bloggers and yes, even user groups. In essence, they are active >internet users that happy to know the fall ICANN meeting will be in >their part of the world and seem to be keen to learn more, be active >in the meeting and share their perspective on key issues that affect >the region such as IDN, Multi-lingual internet, DNS security, etc. > >As you may know, one of the big issues discussed among bloggers and >other users from the region is - of course - internet censorship and >other restrictions imposed by governments such as Tunisia, Egypt, >Syria and others. Reports from the Open Net Initiative, Global Voices >Online and others speak in dire terms about how internet users are >censored, blocked, arrested or worse. > >http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/egypt >http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/syria >http://opennet.net/ >http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ > >As such - a question to ICANN staff and upper management - who do seem >to be cc'd on the message... Can the organization guarantee that the >meeting will have open and unfiltered access to the internet, and be >open to all internet users from the region who wish to attend. > > >regards > >Robert Guerra > > > >On 13-May-08, at 3:37 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote: > >> Jeff, >> I am sorry to say that your point of view of the region is a little >> bit wrong. We do have many Internet governance experts in the MENA >> region. >> Unfortunately ( and many experiences I had in the past ) that the >> only image you have about our region is about terrorism or human >> rights problems. >> We in the Arab World Internet Institute ( www.aw2i.org ) will be >> happy to provide you soon reports coming from experts of our region. >> Other thing : the number of phishers, spammers and hackers are not >> so big in our region as you said. Many reports mention that. >> The number of Internet users is already under the number of hackers >> and phishers in other regions in the world. >> Khaled >> >> >> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: >>> >>> Robert and all, >>> >>> Thank you Robert for you kind offer. There are >>> to our knowledge no REAL internet governance experts >>> that are natives to the region to which you refer. >>> There are however a significant number of phishers, >>> spammers, and hackers associated with several terrorist >>> organizations that may claim to be internet governance >>> experts that are indiginious to the region of which you >>> speak. I don't believe these folks would be very >>> helpful, but would be of interest to the relevant >>> LEA's seeking at this time to bring these individuals >>> into a, shall we say a "More controled enviroment". >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >>>> Sent: May 12, 2008 9:31 AM >>>> To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>> Subject: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking ahead towards the fall ICANN meeting in Egypt - I would like >>>> to know if any outreach is being planned or envisioned to internet >>>> users in the middle-east and north africa. >>>> >>>> If not, suffice it to say that I am in touch with a rather extensive >>>> network of internet governance experts, internet users - bloggers >>>> and >>>> internet saavy organizations in the region that could be >>>> interested in >>>> attending the meeting and engaging us. >>> >> > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regretful Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Mailing List Suspension of Jeffrey Williams
by Matthias Langenegger May 14, 2008

May 14, 2008

Dear NARALO members, Following a decision of the NARALO Secretariat, Jeffrey Williams has been flagged and will be suspended from publishing on this mailing list for one Month. The suspension ends on June 14th. Best Regards, -- Matthias Langenegger At-Large Coordination Officer Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 Skype ID: matthiaslangenegger

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach
by Robert Guerra May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Khaled: First, thanks for your comments. My original email was to assess, if ICANN/At-Large staff had undertaken any efforts or is planning any such efforts to involve and engage internet users from the middle east and/or north african region for the upcoming fall public meeting in Egypt. I am well aware of the geopolitical issues of the region - indeed they are complex. However, it is a region with a growing and vibrant online community of bloggers and internet governance specialists. Through my involvement and engagement with Diplo Foundation, Global Voices, and many other organizations that I advise - I have a great deal of contact with people in the region who are active on the internet . They are experts in internet governance, journalists, bloggers and yes, even user groups. In essence, they are active internet users that happy to know the fall ICANN meeting will be in their part of the world and seem to be keen to learn more, be active in the meeting and share their perspective on key issues that affect the region such as IDN, Multi-lingual internet, DNS security, etc. As you may know, one of the big issues discussed among bloggers and other users from the region is - of course - internet censorship and other restrictions imposed by governments such as Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and others. Reports from the Open Net Initiative, Global Voices Online and others speak in dire terms about how internet users are censored, blocked, arrested or worse. http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/egypt http://del.icio.us/internetfreedom/syria http://opennet.net/ http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ As such - a question to ICANN staff and upper management - who do seem to be cc'd on the message... Can the organization guarantee that the meeting will have open and unfiltered access to the internet, and be open to all internet users from the region who wish to attend. regards Robert Guerra On 13-May-08, at 3:37 AM, Khaled KOUBAA wrote: > Jeff, > I am sorry to say that your point of view of the region is a little > bit wrong. We do have many Internet governance experts in the MENA > region. > Unfortunately ( and many experiences I had in the past ) that the > only image you have about our region is about terrorism or human > rights problems. > We in the Arab World Internet Institute ( www.aw2i.org ) will be > happy to provide you soon reports coming from experts of our region. > Other thing : the number of phishers, spammers and hackers are not > so big in our region as you said. Many reports mention that. > The number of Internet users is already under the number of hackers > and phishers in other regions in the world. > Khaled > > > Jeffrey A. Williams wrote: >> >> Robert and all, >> >> Thank you Robert for you kind offer. There are >> to our knowledge no REAL internet governance experts >> that are natives to the region to which you refer. >> There are however a significant number of phishers, >> spammers, and hackers associated with several terrorist >> organizations that may claim to be internet governance >> experts that are indiginious to the region of which you >> speak. I don't believe these folks would be very >> helpful, but would be of interest to the relevant >> LEA's seeking at this time to bring these individuals >> into a, shall we say a "More controled enviroment". >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >>> Sent: May 12, 2008 9:31 AM >>> To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Subject: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach >>> >>> >>> Looking ahead towards the fall ICANN meeting in Egypt - I would like >>> to know if any outreach is being planned or envisioned to internet >>> users in the middle-east and north africa. >>> >>> If not, suffice it to say that I am in touch with a rather extensive >>> network of internet governance experts, internet users - bloggers >>> and >>> internet saavy organizations in the region that could be >>> interested in >>> attending the meeting and engaging us. >> >

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Proposal: At-Large Policy Briefs
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Jean and all, Ok fine. How does one submit a brief for posting? -----Original Message----- >From: Jean Armour Polly <mom(a)netmom.com> >Sent: May 9, 2008 6:49 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Proposal: At-Large Policy Briefs > >Nice, Evan. I added a Related Links section. And a machine >translation link at the top. >Jean Armour Polly > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>[mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan >>Leibovitch >>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:48 AM >>To: At-Large Worldwide >>Subject: [At-Large] Proposal: At-Large Policy Briefs >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>During the last Summit conference call I committed to create a template >>for the development of "Policy Briefs", one for each significant issue >>facing ICANN as identified by ALAC and At-Large. >> >>I have documented the structure and rationale of the briefs at >>http://www.icannwiki.org/ALAC:Policy_Brief and I have started a sample >>temple of a Brief at >>http://www.icannwiki.org/At-Large_Policy_Brief:_Domain_Tasting -- I >>invite everyone to look at the pages, and to fill in the missing >>components so that we can demonstrate the form that a complete Brief >>should look. >> >>I believe that we should have at least one Brief for each entry on the >>Summit questionnaire being created now. In order for ALSs to give >>_informed_ response on prioritization of ICANN's issues, they need to >>know what those issues are. As time passes these Briefs will be updated >>to reflect changes in processes as well as ALAC positions and actions. >>Ultimately these Briefs are intended to have value beyond the Summit, as >>a set of "living" documents which will serve At-Large and the public >>interest on a continuing basis. >> >>It is my hope that both staff and At-Large members will contribute to >>the content of these Briefs, as each has different content strengths >>that the other may lack. >> >>Comments to this proposed format for issues documentation are welcomed. >> >>- Evan >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann >>.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] My status as a NomCom appointee on the ALAC
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Alan and all, No personal offense from me towards yourself. But any "Appointed" position by the NomCom to the RALO, and in your case, the NARLO that is a "Free Agent" to make determinations on behalf of the NomCom members, including myself, is really why the RALO structure and subsequently in part, the GNSO is ill concieved. To make decisions or effect any actions unilaterly on behalf of any membership without their informed and in the majority consent is in no reasonable way ethical. So I hope you will bare this basic good principal in mind at all times. Thank you! >:) -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> >Sent: May 12, 2008 6:35 PM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: alac-internal <alac-admin(a)icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] My status as a NomCom appointee on the ALAC > >During the recent discussion on the ALAC support of the statement on >GNSO restructuring, I was the subject of strong criticism due to my >actions (or lack of them) and my status as a NomCom appointee (as >opposed to a RALO appointee). There have also been statements about >my motivations (although I know of no mind-reading certifications >among NARALO members). I have found these statements deeply >offensive, both on a personal and professional level. > >Since it is not the first time that this has happened, I would like >to make things as crystal clear as I can. > >I am a Nominating Committee appointee to the ALAC. That means I am a >free agent and I am not REQUIRED to take any actions on behalf of the >NARALO. But it says nothing about what I WILL do. > >As an aside, as far as I can tell, ALAC members appointed by the >NARALO are also not formally required to follow NARALO instruction >(although I have no doubt that the incumbents and all future such >appointees would act in good faith). > >To the extent that there are NARALO selected ALAC members >participating in any meeting or activity, I will assume that they >will take any actions necessary on behalf of their RALO. If there are >not other NA ALAC members participating and NARALO leadership is not >already informed, I will take all reasonable actions to ensure that >the RALO is informed and will duly pass back any reasonably formal >NARALO opinions, requests, motions, etc. that reach me (by "formal" I >mean that I do not commit to pass on every comment that may be made >by someone on a mailing list). > >I will not pass on documents or consult with the NARALO if the >documents I receive or communications I have are stated to be >confidential, or if I do not have suitable connectivity. In the >latter case, if something is extremely urgent, I will attempt to use >SMS if that is practical. I also reserve the right to occasionally be sick. > >To the best of my knowledge, I have always followed these principles, >and certainly did in the case of the statement on GNSO reform (and >despite my being in Rwanda at the time and with poor connectivity, >the lack of connectivity was not an issue - nor has it been in any >other substantive ALAC matter over the last year+). > >I would be very surprised if other NomCom appointees have >substantially different positions, but of course I cannot speak for them. > >I make no claim to being infallible, and I will no doubt mess up on >occasion. But I hope that this puts to rest statements about ALAC >NomCom appointees acting inappropriately. > >Alan > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US)
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Robert and all, Indeed as you state it, your correct. However the MOU requires open and transparent participation. Ergo again, Milton's statement is exactly correct as he stated it. As such, it would seem wise, prudent, and ethically advisable that freedom of expression should not be in any way abridged as defined by the US constitution and the international rights convention if ICANN is ever going to achieve it's mission. -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 12, 2008 9:13 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US) > > > > >On 12-May-08, at 11:54 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > >> Robert Guerra wrote: >>> That being said, I do have an issue with the congressional statement >>> as it seemed to indicate that ICANN was supportive of freedom of >>> expression. I would disagree, as board and GNSO decisions seem to >>> more >>> limit speech then anything else. Triple X being one example , wanting >>> to censor IDN domain names another.. >>> >> In other words, ICANN _does_ support freedom of expression ... to the >> same extent as the US government does. ;-) >> >I would disagree . There are no references to Freedom of expression >in the ICANN bylaws. > >I am raising the issue, as I'd like to know where At-Large stands on >stronger protections related to freedom of expression. Personally, >it's an issue I would like the At-Large summit to address.. > >regards > >Robert > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 13, 2008

May 13, 2008

Robert and all, Thank you Robert for you kind offer. There are to our knowledge no REAL internet governance experts that are natives to the region to which you refer. There are however a significant number of phishers, spammers, and hackers associated with several terrorist organizations that may claim to be internet governance experts that are indiginious to the region of which you speak. I don't believe these folks would be very helpful, but would be of interest to the relevant LEA's seeking at this time to bring these individuals into a, shall we say a "More controled enviroment". -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: May 12, 2008 9:31 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] Middle East & North Africa Outreach > > >Looking ahead towards the fall ICANN meeting in Egypt - I would like >to know if any outreach is being planned or envisioned to internet >users in the middle-east and north africa. > >If not, suffice it to say that I am in touch with a rather extensive >network of internet governance experts, internet users - bloggers and >internet saavy organizations in the region that could be interested in >attending the meeting and engaging us. > >regards, > >Robert >--- >Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)privaterra.org> >Managing Director, Privaterra >Tel +1 416 893 0377 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US)
by Jeffrey A. Williams May 12, 2008

May 12, 2008

John and all, Odd, I thought that Milton's quoted statement that you took exception with John, was percisely accurate given the known and documented history of ICANN thus far. I don't think anyone is expecting perfection from ICANN, but given the history of public input and access to same without restriction of any sort is significantly lacking and selective censorship has been a regular practice on ICANN forums such as this one. This I believe, and should be clear is what Milton was referring to. -----Original Message----- >From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> >Sent: May 12, 2008 10:24 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] House Leaders Urge Preservation Of ICANN Role (US) > >> In other words, ICANN _does_ support freedom of expression ... to the >> same extent as the US government does. ;-) > >As so often happens, Milton collects a lot of interesting facts, then >utterly fails to understand what they mean. > >The most important thing that ICANN has done to support freedom of speech >has been to make domain names almost completely disconnected from whatever >the names are used for and cheap enough that the price of a domain is >insignificant compared to all the other stuff you need to publish on the >net. With remarkably few exceptions, you can register a domain name in >any GTLD and use it for whatever you want. Sure, it's not perfect, and >you don't have to tell me that the UDRP is tilted toward trademark owners, >but if you look at the number of UDRP actions compared to the number of >domains, for the vast majority of domain owners it's a non-issue. > >The .XXX foofaraw is a meaningless sideshow. The pornographers for whom >it was putatively created have been notably unenthusiastic about it, and >the absence of .XXX doesn't seem to have presented much of a bar to >publishing more porn than you could look at in a hundred lifetimes. > >R's, >John > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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