June 2008 - NA-Discuss - lists.icann.org

Money influences? Telecom Immunity Flip-Floppers Got More Telecom Money
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

All, A real USER issue. Kudos to Maplight and Larry Lessig! A nice analysis by Maplight.org indicating that those Democratic representatives who changed their vote on telecom immunity between March and June received on average http://www.maplight.org/FISA_June08 40% more in contributions from telecom interests than those Democrats who held firm. Maplight asks, "Why did these ninety-four House members have a change of heart? Their constituents deserve answers." Across both parties, representatives who voted for immunity in June had received almost twice a much telecom money as those who voted against. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/telecom-amnesty.html Wired's coverage includes a quote from Larry Lessig, who is on the Maplight board: "Money corrupts the process of reasoning. [Lawmakers] get a sixth sense of how what they do might affect how they raise money. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: [governance] dot.ASIA Front-Running scheme claimed]
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

Yehuda, Done. Dot.Asia has been a moderately too a very poorly manage registry sense it's very conception. It remains so. It comes as no surprise that others have finally taken note and interest in recognizing this more broadly recognized fact. It is rather amazing to me that ICANN has not yet redeligated this Registry to more a more appropriate party or parties. But this is partly due to ICANN itself having glaring and significant management and leadership deficiencies that have been shown time and time again. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [governance] dot.ASIA Front-Running scheme claimed Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Yehuda Katz" <yehudakatz(a)mailinator.com> Reply-To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org,"Yehuda Katz" <yehudakatz(a)mailinator.com> To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org All, Please (cross-post) run this on the ALAC mail-list. It looks like there is a 'Front-Running' scheme going on with the .ASIA Auctions http://www.dotasia-complot.org/ http://www.dotasia-complot.org/cat30.html The Guy (Thomas Rucker) is doing his homework, its worthy of a ALAC probe, that may flush out the bushes. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 27, 2008

June 27, 2008

Bashar and all, For myself only, I was of the same opinion as Bashar. So I would like his questioned answered. What I think Verisign is wanting to do is a 2nd level registry to test our the idea of some unknown sort with very particular restrictions. Bashar Al-Abdulhadi wrote: > Chuck, > > Can you please explain what does two-character 2nd-level domains on .com > and .net ? i thought all two letters/characters were available for > registration and already been allocated to their respective owners? > > Best Regards, > > Bashar Al-Abdulhadi > > CEO, KuwaitNET.net > > Gomes, Chuck wrote, On 6/26/2008 10:54 AM: > > > It is for single and two-character 2nd-level domain names for .com and > > .net. > > > > Chuck > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:04 PM > >> To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org; Gomes, Chuck; > >> na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> Cc: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov; > >> ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov > >> Subject: Re: [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal > >> > >> Danny, Chuck and all, > >> > >> Thank you Danny for making us all aware of this. > >> > >> Chuck, thank you for making us as aware as you possibly > >> could regarding this proposal. Is this a TLD or a Domain > >> Name? I believe you meant TLD. In any event, our INEGroup > >> members will be very interested I am sure to review this > >> proposal very closely and shall relay their remarks to me > >> which I shall share as broadly as possible to ICANN staff, > >> Bod and other constituency groups within the GNSO. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >>> From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > >>> Sent: Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM > >>> To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org > >>> Subject: [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> CHUCK GOMES: In the interest of transparency and > >>>>> > >> disclosing my interests, I would like to inform you that > >> VeriSign has submitted a registry service proposal for the > >> allocation of single and two-character domain names. There > >> aren't very many two-character domain names available, by the > >> way, one. > >> > >>> So, unfortunately, until it's posted it is not appropriate > >>> > >> for me to discuss the details. I can tell you that I believe > >> that we incorporated a lot of the issues that were > >> recommended in the comments with regard to ICANN's paper and > >> that we think it has excellent benefit for the community. > >> > >>> And in fairness to ICANN staff so that we submitted it late > >>> > >> leading up to these meeting and at a very difficult time for > >> them to respond -- although we have had some interaction, so > >> I don't want this to come across as a criticism to ICANN > >> staff that it hasn't been posted. > >> > >>> If per chance -- and I don't know whether this will happen > >>> > >> or not -- it is posted this week, we will be happy to talk > >> about it and receive comments from people. > >> > >>> https://par.icann.org/files/paris/Paris-GNSO-22JUN08am.txt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders > >> strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - > >> Abraham Lincoln > >> > >> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with > >> what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt > >> > >> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the > >> burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L > >> multiplied by > >> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." > >> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] > >> =============================================================== > >> Updated 1/26/04 > >> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. > >> div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. > >> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail > >> jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 > >> > >> > > > > > > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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user_s summit 2009 and icann committment to be user oriented
by Annette Muehlberg June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

All, We finally made it and will be able to organize a userŽs summit in Mexico, March 2009! I think it would be great if we could make sure, that the userŽs summit will not be something seperated from the ICANN Meeting. Instead, ICANN should show its committment to strengthen its bottom up structure and be user oriented in all its policies. For the public discussion my proposal is, to approach all icann bodies - such as the board, various committees, the advisory councils, the ICANN supporting organisations and their constituencies as well as icann staff. We should ask them - throughout the whole icann meetings whenever they give a public presentations - to explain what the respective issues/ policy proposals mean for the internet end-user. I think implementing such a procedure would be a great step forward. Best greetings and many thanks to all, who have been working very hard to make the summit possible. Annette

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

Danny, Chuck and all, Thank you Danny for making us all aware of this. Chuck, thank you for making us as aware as you possibly could regarding this proposal. Is this a TLD or a Domain Name? I believe you meant TLD. In any event, our INEGroup members will be very interested I am sure to review this proposal very closely and shall relay their remarks to me which I shall share as broadly as possible to ICANN staff, Bod and other constituency groups within the GNSO. -----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM >To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org >Subject: [ga] VeriSign Registry Service Proposal > > >>>CHUCK GOMES: In the interest of transparency and disclosing my interests, I would like to inform you that VeriSign has submitted a registry service proposal for the allocation of single and two-character domain names. There aren't very many two-character domain names available, by the way, one. > So, unfortunately, until it's posted it is not appropriate for me to discuss the details. I can tell you that I believe that we incorporated a lot of the issues that were recommended in the comments with regard to ICANN's paper and that we think it has excellent benefit for the community. > And in fairness to ICANN staff so that we submitted it late leading up to these meeting and at a very difficult time for them to respond -- although we have had some interaction, so I don't want this to come across as a criticism to ICANN staff that it hasn't been posted. > If per chance -- and I don't know whether this will happen or not -- it is posted this week, we will be happy to talk about it and receive comments from people. > >https://par.icann.org/files/paris/Paris-GNSO-22JUN08am.txt > > > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Front Running motion passed
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 26, 2008

June 26, 2008

Bret and all, Wonderful! < sarcasm intended > So they just punted, eh? I suppose in the the Domain Name tasting non solution is yet to be implemented, the registrars and registries wanted to use Front Running as their best method of addressing the problem until of if the Domain Name tasting non solution is fully implemented across all registrars and registries which will not likely be in my lifetime. So essentially this whole process was another dog and pony show. Outstanding! < sarcasm intended > So I suppose it's time to get boned up again with those Restraint of Trade statutes, eh? -----Original Message----- >From: Bret Fausett <bfausett(a)internet.law.pro> >Sent: Jun 25, 2008 9:48 AM >To: At-Large Worldwide <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [At-Large] Front Running motion passed > >Dear ALAC members, > >FYI, below is a message received this morning from the GNSO Staff. I >was the designated person from the ALAC to work on this committee. If >and when the GNSO reinstates the drafting committee, let's review the >ALAC position and appointment again as well. For the time being, we >can consider the drafting committee work I was assigned to do for the >ALAC closed. > > Bret > >Begin forwarded message: > >From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen(a)icann.org> >Date: June 25, 2008 7:18:15 AM PDT >To: "mail=gnso-fr-dt(a)icann.org" <gnso-fr-dt(a)icann.org> >Subject: [gnso-fr-dt] Front Running motion passed by the GNSO Council >25 June 2008 > > >Dear All, > >The GNSO Council at its Open Meeting in Paris, today Wednesday, 25 >June 2008, unanimously passed the following motion on Front Running: > >Motion proposed by Avri Doria and seconded by Chuck Gomes > >Whereas, > >On 17 March 2008, the ICANN board referred a question about Front >Running to the GNSO council, and > >On 8 May 2008 created a drafting team to define a pre-issues research >effort and asked the staff to prepare a response to the questions, and > >On 29 May 2008 ICANN staff prepared a response >http://gnso.icann.org/correspondence/front-running-staff-response-to-gnso-c… >to the question asked during the 8 May Council meeting, and whereas >this report recommended that more information was needed to proceed, and > >Information is needed to determine whether the changes recommended for >the AGP will affect front running, > >Resolved: > >The Council puts the drafting team effort on hold until such time as >current research efforts are completed. > > >Let me know if you have any questions. > >Thank you. >Kind regards, > >Glen > > > >Glen de Saint Géry >GNSO Secretariat >gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org >http://gnso.icann.org > > > >-- >Bret Fausett (skype me at "lextext") >smime.p7s is a digital signature >http://www.imc.org/smime-pgpmime.html >------------------------------------- > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ALAC mailing list >ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Fw: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Priorities Amuck: ICANN Poised to Trigger Naming Quagmire
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 25, 2008

June 25, 2008

All, I and our members fully agree with Laurens review here. It's clear that pending the GNSO review completion that some Constituency groups, namely the IPC and the BC are interested in gaining influence before users, the NCUC, and other thus far non represented groups in the GNSO of ICANN gain influence in the decision making process of ICANN. What worries me is as Lauren points out, that security concerns for users of all types and at all levels will be facing increasing attempted criminal scams, far more additional UCE/Spam ect., and that LEA's will be facing a far greater challenge accordingly. Perhaps this is what ICANN intends vis a vi "dilution is the solution to polution" attitude? -----Forwarded Message----- >From: privacy(a)vortex.com >Sent: Jun 25, 2008 10:01 AM >To: privacy-list(a)vortex.com >Subject: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Priorities Amuck: ICANN Poised to Trigger Naming Quagmire > > > > Priorities Amuck: ICANN Poised to Trigger Naming Quagmire > > http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000393.html > > >Greetings. With all of the high-priority issues we face today >regarding the Internet --like assuring network neutrality, or even >getting decent Internet services to the 80% of the world's >population that doesn't have them now -- it's distressing to see >that ICANN is poised tomorrow to potentially trigger a confusing and >likely highly litigious, wasteful, and disruptive land grab in new >global top-level domain names (gTLDs) -- >( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7468855.stm ). > >While ICANN's theoretical rationale for loosening up the domain name >environment is not utterly without merit, the likely real world >implications of a relative flood of new top-level domain names >should be pretty obvious to even a casual observer of the Net over >recent years. > >Everybody and his brother will want a top-level name. ICANN will be >deluged with applications. Clever crooks will find ways to game the >application and auction processes in league with shady registries. >Name confusion and phishing will rise to new heights. Full >employment for lawyers is guaranteed, as trademark disputes -- and >other legal disputes filed against ICANN's decisions regarding >particular names, balloon to capture as much oxygen as possible. >The dot-ex-ex-ex controversy and related censorship concerns >associated with the horrible idea of a sex-centric TLD will rise yet >again from the grave. > >And through it all, ICANN will be spinning its wheels with a >complicated and expensive process while so many more important >Internet issues are rotting essentially ignored on the sidelines >( http://icann.org/topics/new-gtld-program.htm ). > >ICANN needs to get over their "domain names as issue #1" fetish once >and for all. Some minor relaxation of the gTLD structure is >probably warranted, but not the waste of time, money, and other >resources that their current plan seems sure to trigger -- and we >could definitely live without the consumer confusion and risks that >will arise from this mess as well. > >Enough is enough. It's time for ICANN to get its priorities straight. > >--Lauren-- >Lauren Weinstein >lauren(a)vortex.com or lauren(a)pfir.org >Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 >http://www.pfir.org/lauren >Co-Founder, PFIR > - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org >Co-Founder, NNSquad > - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org >Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com >Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy >Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com > >_______________________________________________ >privacy mailing list >http://lists.vortex.com/mailman/listinfo/privacy Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Dominik, Evan, and all, I understood that the context to which you refer Dominik is one possible meaning. But not the only one. Still, my questions stand as relevant in any context, which is why I posed them in the manner in which I did. Users can only represent themselves as whom and what they are in the manner they are most familier with even if that manner is offensive to other users irrespective of context. Parsing or attributing context to a particular meaning in any language can be difficult, often misunderstood, and frequently malinged improperly. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: Jun 22, 2008 6:53 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Jeff, > >Evan's wording is ok. I see it in the context 'what would happen if' in >connection with other posts on this thread. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:09 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: NA Discuss >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Dominik and all, > > I am not sure how the summit organizers could endanger the ALAC or the >RALO's any worse than they have endangered themselves already. I am >also clearly sure the statement on the ALAC review is significantly >flawed as to user participation and representation on the ICANN Bod as >it does not reflect the known users desires and reasonable rights via >the OECD declaration posted earlier, nor accomplish ICANN's mission re >the MOU. > >Again for OECD declaration see: >http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf >Note: I and our members fully support the principals of this declaration >and believe that it largely can and should apply to ICANN. > > Further I am more than a bit baffled by Evan's meaning by stating >"improper comments by some individuals". What "improper comments by >some individuals" is he referring to, and how could their be such >statements in the first place, unless he is just stating his own >personal opinion as if it were gospel or even actually authoritative to >stakeholder/users everywhere, which obviously such cannot be true? >Evan, can you clarify please? Please bare in mind that if you answer >directly, and regardless of your answer, casting false aspersions upon >others, however indirectly, is in and of itself often times considered >"improper" or not "appropriate" in legal parlance. >And if done so publicly is considered civil defamation. > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >>Sent: Jun 22, 2008 1:02 AM >>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >>Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review >> >>Evan, >> >>I am not suggesting anything about At-Large itself let alone the >>importance of the summit. >> >>The only thing I am sugesting is a view how the summit organizers who >>could 'endager' the summit are looking at At-Large. That is what I have >>understood from the remark. >> >>To clarify my point further I am appending another remark from the post >> >>"the ensuing reaction to the report, might be grounds for staff and >>board to rethink support for the summit at this time" >> >>I am optimistic :-) >> >>Dominik >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:48 AM >>To: Dominik Filipp >>Cc: Robert Guerra; NA Discuss >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review >> >>Dominik Filipp wrote: >>>> that being that a negative response by At-large to the review could >>>> endanger the summit being ok'd >>>> >>> >>> Does it mean if At-Large baby will not be obedient it will be >>punished? >>> If so, I would then fully understand why the ALAC voted as it voted. >>> >>I think it is grossly unfair to suggest that most of the people here >are >>acting this way. Some of the stronger supporters of strong NARALO >>naction on this issue have also been key organizers of the Summit. >> >>IMO the Summit is a *necessary* activity of ICANN if it is to prove to >>outsiders (and especially the US government) that it at least is >>minimally serious about multi stakeholder involvement. If they can the >>Summit because of improper comments by some individuals, well than that >>doubly proves that ICANN does not really care about having an educated >>and active At-Large. I prefer to stay optimistic until proven >otherwise. >> >>- Evan >> >> >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-list >s.icann.org >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>------ > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Dominik and all, I am not sure how the summit organizers could endanger the ALAC or the RALO's any worse than they have endangered themselves already. I am also clearly sure the statement on the ALAC review is significantly flawed as to user participation and representation on the ICANN Bod as it does not reflect the known users desires and reasonable rights via the OECD declaration posted earlier, nor accomplish ICANN's mission re the MOU. Again for OECD declaration see: http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf Note: I and our members fully support the principals of this declaration and believe that it largely can and should apply to ICANN. Further I am more than a bit baffled by Evan's meaning by stating "improper comments by some individuals". What "improper comments by some individuals" is he referring to, and how could their be such statements in the first place, unless he is just stating his own personal opinion as if it were gospel or even actually authoritative to stakeholder/users everywhere, which obviously such cannot be true? Evan, can you clarify please? Please bare in mind that if you answer directly, and regardless of your answer, casting false aspersions upon others, however indirectly, is in and of itself often times considered "improper" or not "appropriate" in legal parlance. And if done so publicly is considered civil defamation. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: Jun 22, 2008 1:02 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Evan, > >I am not suggesting anything about At-Large itself let alone the >importance of the summit. > >The only thing I am sugesting is a view how the summit organizers who >could 'endager' the summit are looking at At-Large. That is what I have >understood from the remark. > >To clarify my point further I am appending another remark from the post > >"the ensuing reaction to the report, might be grounds for staff and >board to rethink support for the summit at this time" > >I am optimistic :-) > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:48 AM >To: Dominik Filipp >Cc: Robert Guerra; NA Discuss >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Dominik Filipp wrote: >>> that being that a negative response by At-large to the review could >>> endanger the summit being ok'd >>> >> >> Does it mean if At-Large baby will not be obedient it will be >punished? >> If so, I would then fully understand why the ALAC voted as it voted. >> >I think it is grossly unfair to suggest that most of the people here are >acting this way. Some of the stronger supporters of strong NARALO >naction on this issue have also been key organizers of the Summit. > >IMO the Summit is a *necessary* activity of ICANN if it is to prove to >outsiders (and especially the US government) that it at least is >minimally serious about multi stakeholder involvement. If they can the >Summit because of improper comments by some individuals, well than that >doubly proves that ICANN does not really care about having an educated >and active At-Large. I prefer to stay optimistic until proven otherwise. > >- Evan > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Civil society/Internet users statement in Seoul to the OECD
by Brendler, Beau June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Hello, folks. I realize we all have a lot on our own plates during Paris. However, I attach here the "Seoul declaration" of civil society and organized labor (and some groups representing individual internet users) from the OECD meeting last week. There were a few of our ICANN community colleagues there, including Izumi Aizu, Adam Peake, and Wolfgang Kleinwachter, and I was there. If NA RALO (or even the ALAC) chose to endorse this statement, it could do so. I have my own opinions about the statement itself. I do find it interesting that in some ways the "user community" that made this statement to the OECD has some similar concerns about how that organization accepts feedback from Internet users. The OECD structure seems to give the user community (referred to, perhaps unfortunately, as "civil society and organized labor") equal footing with the business constituency and the government constituency, at least in appearance. We can only guess how the ministers themselves weigh it, however. -----Original Message----- From: coalition-bounces(a)mailman.epic.org on behalf of Katitza Rodriguez Pereda Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 11:10 PM To: coalition(a)mailman.thepublicvoice.org Subject: [Coalition] The Seoul Declaration Please help us spread the word of the Declaration ------------------------------- Dear all, A diverse group of civil society groups have worked on a joint Civil Society Declaration to the OECD 2008 Ministerial on the Future of the Internet Economy, which is currently taking place in Seoul. It raises a number of issues of major importance to the civil society community and makes a number of recommendations to move us towards the future of the Internet that meets the essential needs of all the world's citizens. The declaration has been signed by (so far) EPIC, EFF, EDRi, IRIS, IT4Change, Public Knowledge, APC, and Consumers Korea, Jinbonet, and many individuals who are present in Seoul The full text of the Declaration is at: <http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf> and set out in clear text below (apologies for formatting) The declaration is open for sign on by civil society organizations and individual CS representatives. If your organization / you are interested in signing on, please email Katitza Rodriguez Pereda of EPIC at katitza(a)datos-personales.org. Many thanks and all best, --- June 2008 1 "The Civil Society-TUAC Seoul Declaration" CIVIL SOCIETY - TUAC "THE SEOUL DECLARATION" TO THE OECD MINISTERIAL CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF THE INTERNET ECONOMY Seoul, Korea 16 June 2008 This gathering of civil society organizations and organized labor at the OECD Ministerial Conference on the Future of the Internet Economy provides a unique opportunity to bring to the attention of the OECD Ministers assembled and the OECD member countries the concerns and aspirations of people around the globe, those who are on the Internet and those who are not. We thank the OECD and the Government of Korea for the opportunity to organize a civil society and labor event and to participate in the OECD Ministerial Conference. Civil society and labor together prepared a paper for the OECD and organized a conference "Making the future of the Internet work for citizens, consumers and workers." A wide range of organizations participated in this effort, and this Declaration builds on its results. A BROAD FRAMEWORK FOR THE FUTURE OF THE INTERNET ECONOMY The policy goals for the Future Internet Economy should be considered within the broader framework of protection of human rights, the promotion of democratic institutions, access to information, and the provision of affordable and non-discriminatory access to advanced communication networks and services. Compliance with international human rights standards and respect for the rule of law, as well as effective human rights protection, must be the baseline for assessing global information society policies. Economic growth should be for the many and not the few. The Internet should be available to all. We therefore call attention of the OECD to Ministers to the following issues and we make the following recommendations: * Freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is being violated around the globe by state censorship and by more subtle measures such as content filtering, privatized censorship and restrictions on so- called "harmful content." We urge the OECD to defend freedom of expression and to oppose mandated filtering, censorship of Internet content, and criminalization of content that is protected under international freedom of expression standards. * Protection of Privacy and Transparency, We reaffirm our support for the OECD Privacy Guidelines as a fundamental policy instrument setting out minimal requirements for the transborder flow of personal data. We recommend adoption of the recent policy guidance on RFID and Online Identity Theft as Council Recommendations. We call on OECD countries to adopt and enforce data protection laws covering all sectors, both online and offline, and to establish international data protection standards that are legally enforceable. We further urge member states to ensure fairness, transparency, and accountability for all data processing for border security, identification, and decision-making concerning individuals. * Consumer Protection. Trust and confidence are critical to the success of the Internet economy. The OECD should ensure that consumer protection laws are properly enforced and cover digital products to the same extent that other consumer goods and services are covered. We recommend that the OECD adopt the policy proposals on Empowering Consumers in Communications Services and in Mobile Commerce as Council Recommendations, and that the OECD member countries implement these recommendations. We support the OECD's efforts to facilitate cross- border enforcement of anti-spam laws and to develop effective online dispute resolution mechanisms. * Employment, Decent Work and Skills. We recommend that OECD Member countries promote learning and training opportunities for workers and address the technological and organizational change in the workplace. We further urge the OECD to lower the carbon footprint of the ICT industry and to promote compliance with core labor standards and the OECD Guidelines for Multinational Enterprises. * Promotion of Access to Knowledge. We support open access to government-funded scientific and scholarly works and endorse the OECD Principles and Guidelines for Access to Research Data. We support the OECD Recommendation for Enhanced Access and More Effective Use of Public Information. OECD countries should oppose extensions of copyright terms and private ownership of essential knowledge and cultural information that can be made available on the Internet. We recommend that the OECD undertake a study on the importance of copyright exceptions for education, libraries and archives, the disability community, and new innovative services. * Internet Governance. Internet governance structures should reflect democratic values and be transparent and publicly accountable to users. Global Internet policymaking should involve equal participation of all people, countries, and stakeholders. We call upon the OECD member states to support the Internet Governance Forum and to promote the multi- stakeholder process of the World Summit on the Information Society. * Promotion of Open Standards and Net Neutrality. Standards-making processes should be open and should encourage competition. This promotes innovation and development. We support the procurement policies that promote open standards, open data formats, and free and open software. We further recommend that the OECD Member Countries oppose discrimination by network providers against particular applications, devices, or content and preserve the Internet's role in fostering innovation, economic growth, and democratic communication. * Balanced Intellectual Property Policies. We urge the OECD member countries to maintain a balanced framework for intellectual property protection that is least intrusive to personal privacy, least restrictive for the development of new technologies, and that promotes creativity, innovation, and learning. We support the OECD Policy Guidance for Digital Content. OECD countries should oppose proposals that would deny individuals access to all Internet services and opportunities based on alleged copyright infringement. We are also concerned about the secrecy of the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement" (ACTA) treaty process and the possibility of policies that may limit legitimate business activity, the participative web, and e-government service delivery. * Support for Pluralistic Media. The Internet is a universal platform for innovation, growth, and the ability of people to express and share their views. New forms of media and new applications are emerging that challenge old paradigms and enable broader public participation. At the same time, dominant Internet firms are moving to consolidate their control over the Internet. It is vitally important for the OECD to develop a better understanding of the challenge industry consolidations pose to the open Internet. The OECD Policy Guidance on Convergence and Next Generation Networks provides a basis this work. * Inclusive Digital Society. The Internet should be accessible to all. OECD member countries should ensure that all residents have the means to access the Internet and should provide public Internet access, training and support. Particular attention should be paid to rural, remote and aboriginal populations, as well as the disability community. * Cultural Diversity. We support the efforts of the OECD to promote access to the full range of the world's cultures and to ensure that the Internet economy reflects the true diversity of language, art, science, and literature in our world. The deployment of International Domain Names should be a priority. PARTICIPATION OF CIVIL SOCIETY AND LABOUR This participation of civil society and organized labor reaffirms the role of all stakeholders in the Future of the Internet Economy. Now it is time to formalize this process. In 1998 civil society and labor urged the OECD Ministerial Conference in Ottawa to establish an Advisory Council, similar to the Business Industry Advisory Committee (BIAC) for business and the Trade Union Advisory Committee (TUAC) for labor. We said that this new Advisory Council should include civil society groups in such fields as human rights and democracy, privacy and data protection, consumer protection, and access to information and knowledge. We urge the OECD to establish now the Civil Society Advisory Committee. The creation of an OECD Civil Society Advisory Committee is necessary to help realize the democratic goals of inclusion, participation, transparency and accountability at the OECD. The OECD offers an important forum for the discussion of policies concerning the future of the Internet. We welcome this dialogue and urge the Ministers and members countries of the OECD to fully engage civil society and labor organizations within their own countries. In all decisions related to the Internet economy, we advise the OECD Ministers and the members countries to give particular attention to those indicators concerning literacy, education, and health. The success of the Internet Economy should be measured by the well-being of citizens, and not simply the extent of technology diffusion. *** Scanned

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