August 2008 - NA-Discuss - lists.icann.org

Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Report to the ICANN Board of Directors from WG onGNSOCouncil Restructuring
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 1, 2008

Aug. 1, 2008

Dominik and all, Exactly my broader point, Dominik! What's much more important is that non-registrant users and independent registrants still have no voice or vote. The capture to which I alluded to and you plainly stated, remains. As such, the ecommerce aspects of economic prosperity will be so limited. Such a limit will be significant and solely or mostly in the hands of large commercial special interest groups. That's not a healthy economic paradigm. It is also a precursor to further fraud and abuse on a huge international scale. Dominik Filipp wrote: > Jeff, > > You are right, however, if we got rid of the percentage (as mentioned in > the Alan's explanation) and kept just raw vote numbers the situation > might get better. I do not see any reason why the contracted parties > should have similar power as the non-contracted parties, for other > reasons than keeping ICANN captured, of course. > > Dominik > > -----Original Message----- > From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. > Williams > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:32 AM > To: ALAC; ALAC NA Discuss > Cc: Peter Dengate Thrush; twomey(a)icann.org > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Report to the ICANN Board of Directors from WG > onGNSOCouncil Restructuring > > Dominik and all, > > If the below outlined report is correct, than it is clear that > commercial interests have a significant advantage and the majority of > power in the GNSO as Registries and Registrars are essentially > commercial entities/businesses. Ergo no balance and essentially nothing > has changed in the GNSO other than the "Names" of the specific > representative groups. Further there is NO Independent Registrant > representative in this proposed structure, and NO user-non-registrant > reoresentative/ALAC. > > So I will now predict that there will be no significant change in the > bahavior of Registries or Registrars and the abuses that have been > occuring with increasing frequency will continue with even more > increasing frequency. I will also predict here and now that with this > proposed structure the IPC will get whatever it wants. > > Dominik Filipp wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > > > After having read the last WG output at > > > > > https://st.icann.org/data/workspaces/alac/attachments/at_large_advisory_ > > > > committee:20080729041513-0-3574/files/FinalReport-GNSO-ImprovementsWG.pd > > > f > > > > it seems like the proposed GNSO restructuralization could be as > follows > > (Attachment A) > > > > ------------------------------ > > 2 houses - contracted and non-contracted > > parties/constituencies, 2 parties > > in each house > > > > House 1 - Contracted party house consists > > of 2 (registry and registrar) constituencies House 2 - > > Non-contracted party house consists > > of 2 (commercial and non-commercial) > > parties/constituencies > > > > that is, 4 parties/constituencies in both the houses collectively. > > > > The GNSO Council (given that the lowest proposed number of members are > > > considered) > > > > House 1 > > Registries - 3 members > > Registrars - 3 members > > > > House 2 > > Commercial - 5 members > > Non-commercial - 5 members > > > > and also > > > > Equal number of votes between registries and registrars. > > Equal number of votes between commercial and non-commercial users. > > ------------------------------ > > > > Do I understand the proposal correctly, Cheryl? > > > > If so, there is a question I could not find an answer to. > > > > Q: What is the proposed number of votes for each of the four GNSO > > Council parties? > > > > Thanks > > > > Dominik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alac-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Cheryl > > Langdon-Orr > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:06 AM > > To: alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Cc: 'ALAC internal list' > > Subject: [At-Large] Report to the ICANN Board of Directors from WG on > > GNSOCouncil Restructuring > > > > At-Large. please note that earlier today the ALAC Executive and our > > representative on this WG Alan Greenberg, met and discussed our desire > > > to have a formal ALAC Statement to the Board on this matter. > > > > > > > > Please see our Wiki page > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?at_large_advisory_committee to > find > > a link to the report of the WG from this now completed process, and > > also under Announcements to find an short background piece from the > > report and a note as to the mechanism for the ALAC to review our > > sub-committee and Rep statement appended to it, to be endorsed (in an > > expanded form if so desired) as an ALAC Statement to the Board. > > > > > > > > ALAC this serves as the start of the 7 day minimum notice required > for > > a formal vote to be taken (between meetings) on this matter and in the > > > next 24hrs further background documents and proposed expansion of this > > > statement will be posted and a Big Pulse vote be created for the > purpose > > of recording your views to 1. Endorse the proposed document an ALAC > > Statement, 2. Vote against the proposal or 3. Abstain. > > > > > > > > More in the next 24hrs. > > > > > > > > CLO > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann > > > .org > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ALAC mailing list > > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann > .org > > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Apple Clients Still Vulnerable After DNS Patch
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 1, 2008

Aug. 1, 2008

All, All is still not well with Apple.com even after Apple finnaly patched the original DNS problem. It seems that industry leaders are again showing their lack of knowledge in IT related issues that effect the security of their clients and who knows how many other unsuspecting users. Shame on Apple! Has the ISC or the SSAC gotten in touch with Apple and expressed that they need to do better? Well I don't know, but it sure doesn't seem so. See: Glenn Fleishman sends word that SANS Institute testing indicates that, even after installing http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/01/1215209&tid=172 Apple's latest patch for the DNS vulnerability, http://db.tidbits.com/article/9721 Leopard desktops (not servers) are still vulnerable or at least perpetuate risky behavior that makes exploitation easier. This matters because "With servers rapidly being patched worldwide, it's likely that the low-hanging fruit disappears, and vectors [will be] designed to attack massive numbers of clients on ISP networks." Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Apple finally patches dangerous DNS flaw
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 1, 2008

Aug. 1, 2008

All, Well finally Apple got off it's A$$! See: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/080108-apple-finally-patches-dangerou… Lets all hope that this is not previews of coming attractions from Apple. But some how I get a erie feeling that this is becoming the norm. Seems to me that ICANN should have temporarily shut down Apple.com until they had the problem fixed and tested so that the exposure to users would have been better limited. The abuse to users was significant and the aftermath of damage is unknown and will be very hard to fully determine. It is completely irresponsible for Apple's managment to allow this to continue so long without requesting themselves to have their Domain Name suspended. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd 6th false reason given to: Request to mailing list NA-Discuss rejected]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 1, 2008

Aug. 1, 2008

Matthias and all, Ok Matthias, et., al., as I have already said, there were only 4 recipients, ergo less than 5. So this rejection notice is false/untrue. Can you count to 4? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Request to mailing list NA-Discuss rejected Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:44:39 -0400 From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To: jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Your request to the NA-Discuss mailing list Posting of your message titled "GOOGLE SUED FOR SELLING INADEQUATE ADS" has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: "Too many recipients to the message" Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator at: na-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] Re: Potential Danger Ahead for Registrants -- dot-info Abusive Domain Use Policy
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 1, 2008

Aug. 1, 2008

George and all, Good point and nicely attributed as well. Now if only ICANN could get the hint, eh?! George Kirikos wrote: > Hello, > > To elaborate on "due process." There's a famous award-winning film, "A > Man for All Seasons" from the 1960s, based on the play, that had a > memorable scene: > > ---- start quote -------- > "William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law! > > Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the > law to get after the Devil? > > William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that! > > Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil > turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being > flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, > Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the > man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds > that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my > own safety's sake!" > ------ end of quote -------- > > "For my own safety's sake" what is the protective language in the > Afilias policy? In the rush to label some domains as "abusive" in the > name of "security," due process is eliminated. Even the Devil (real > abusers, spammers, etc.) deserves the benefit of law (and due process), > in order to protect everyone else from the anarachy that would result > without laws and due process. > > "Where would you hide" (what language in the contract do you rely > upon), when "the Devil turned 'round on you?" (when the registry > operator summarily finds your domain to be "abusive" in its own > discretion, its own definition of "abuse" and cancels it) > > Sincerely, > > George Kirikos > http://www.kirikos.com/ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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