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Monthly meeting today?
by Joly MacFie Oct. 25, 2011

Oct. 25, 2011

I am seeing a monthly meeting scheduled for today: http://dakar42.icann.org/node/26865 but surely we had our monthly meeting last week? j -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 17 October 19:00 UTC
by Marilyn Vernon Oct. 24, 2011

Oct. 24, 2011

Dear All, The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 17 October 2011 at 19:00 UTC. The agenda and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/lAS5AQ If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber, Matt Ashtiani, Nathalie Peregrine, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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"What's At Stake" gTLD conference
by Evan Leibovitch Oct. 21, 2011

Oct. 21, 2011

Is anyone from NARALO going to this conference? http://www.cadna.org/Whats-At-Stake/ It seems like a very useful approach with which we might want to associate ourselves. Yes, much of it involves major brandholders scared by the influx of gTLDs, but it seems that there is much common ground between that group's skepticism about the program and that of ICANN At-Large. As one example of how this may be interesting, apparently gTLD consultants are unwelcome at the event: http://domainincite.com/whats-at-stake-conference-bans-new-gtld-consultants/ ... boo hoo. Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56

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REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 17 October 19:00 UTC
by Marilyn Vernon Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Dear All, The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 17 October 2011 at 19:00 UTC. The agenda and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/lAS5AQ If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. -- Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber, Matt Ashtiani, Nathalie Peregrine, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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DRAFT statement on .pr
by Beau Brendler Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Hello, all. Here is the statement on the .pr controversy prepared by Eduardo with comments by Garth and final revisions by me. Please read and give feedback promptly. I'd also like Eduardo to look over it carefully to make sure there are no editing errors introduced. STATEMENT OF THE NORTH AMERICAN AT-LARGE REGIONAL ORGANIZATION ON THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF THE .PR DOMAIN The North American At-Large Regional Organization wants to bring the ICANN community’s attention to a serious concern regarding management of Puerto Rico’s country code top-level domain, .pr, following a June 2011 lawsuit filed by The University of Puerto Rico against the domain’s manager alleging misappropriation of public funds and inappropriate ownership claim of the domain, among other allegations. Background In 1988, the U.S. National Science Foundation established a program to expand use of the Internet outside the United States by establishing a domain registration that would allow each country connected to the network to offer access the Internet through that domain. Within that program, the University of Puerto Rico, through its Gauss Research Laboratory in the Natural Sciences department, requested the domain ".pr" (institutional research number 8818283, "Support for the Participation of the University of Puerto Rico in the NSFNet”). This proposal was approved in 1989 and administration of the .pr domain was designated to the “Gauss Research Laboratory” with the university as manager. In 2006, the .pr ccTLD’s manager contacted the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority to request a name change in the sponsoring organization, from the University of Puerto Rico to a corporation with the same name, including the abbreviations “INC. i.e. Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc.” As a result of this change, Gauss Research Laboratory Inc. was permitted to remove the .pr ccTLD operations outside the university campus, as well as redirect any funds generated by domain purchases. Results of IANA Decision It is apparent IANA, in its decision, considered the request for a name change in the sponsoring organization to be an administrative task, not a re-delegation of the ccTLD. However, according to the lawsuit, the ccTLD manager took action as if a full re-delegation had been made, allowing him to move the operation outside the university. Critically, in 2007, Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc. filed a change in corporate status from non-profit to for-profit with the Department of State of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Therefore, IANA’s decision effectively resulted in the hijacking of a public resource from a non-profit educational institution to a for-profit corporation. The NARALO is concerned the apparent “re-delegation” of the .pr domain represents a potential abuse of public trust and misappropriation of Internet resources. In addition, while the controversy over Puerto Rico's country-code domain may seem unusual, findings presented in the final report of the ccNSO Delegation and Redelegation Working Group (http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/final-drd-report-02may11-en.pdf) clearly indicate it is not. NARALO applauds and supports the ccNSO working group’s desire, stated in that report, to “create an environment for making consistent and predictable decisions regarding the delegation, re-delegation and retirement of ccTLDs while enhancing accountability and transparency.” Therefore, at the 2011 ICANN meeting in Dakar, NARALO will present the facts and allegations in this case, as well as examples of similar cases, in hopes of prompting a multi-stakeholder discussion and approach to create such an environment worldwide.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] DRAFT statement on .pr
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 15, 2011

Oct. 15, 2011

Thanks Eduardo. I was aware of the general state, but not at that level of detail. The point I was making, however, is that the statement should not just give the history, but some current status as well (although perhaps not at that level of detail). Alan At 15/10/2011 11:25 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >Alan: > >In terms of the court proceedings they are at the state >of discovering the evidence. In the mean time the manager can still >operate the business but by court order can not sell the business >and make any new investments among other restrictions. > >According to IANA they have said that the only way that the .pr >ccTLD re-delegation can happen is by means of a "hostile >re-delegation" since the current operator is not willing to >delegate. I have not been able to find anything that explains what >that procedure is or how is performed. The question is: How do you >force a re-delegation when the operator owns the data? > >-ed > > >On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >Beau, it would be useful to include in the statement the current >state of the issue with regard to ICANN, IANA and the courts. > >That is, is there a current dispute/process underway to address this >and if so, what is the state. > >Alan > >At 14/10/2011 01:10 PM, Beau Brendler wrote: > >Hello, all. Here is the statement on the .pr controversy prepared by > >Eduardo with comments by Garth and final revisions by me. Please > >read and give feedback promptly. I'd also like Eduardo to look over > >it carefully to make sure there are no editing errors introduced. > > > >STATEMENT OF THE NORTH AMERICAN AT-LARGE REGIONAL ORGANIZATION ON > >THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF THE .PR DOMAIN > > > >The North American At-Large Regional Organization wants to bring the > >ICANN community's attention to a serious concern regarding > >management of Puerto Rico's country code top-level domain, .pr, > >following a June 2011 lawsuit filed by The University of Puerto Rico > >against the domain's manager alleging misappropriation of public > >funds and inappropriate ownership claim of the domain, among other > >allegations. > > > >Background > >In 1988, the U.S. National Science Foundation established a program > >to expand use of the Internet outside the United States by > >establishing a domain registration that would allow each country > >connected to the network to offer access the Internet through that domain. > > > >Within that program, the University of Puerto Rico, through its > >Gauss Research Laboratory in the Natural Sciences department, > >requested the domain ".pr" (institutional research number 8818283, > >"Support for the Participation of the University of Puerto Rico in > >the NSFNet"). This proposal was approved in 1989 and administration > >of the .pr domain was designated to the "Gauss Research Laboratory" > >with the university as manager. > > > >In 2006, the .pr ccTLD's manager contacted the Internet Assigned > >Numbers Authority to request a name change in the sponsoring > >organization, from the University of Puerto Rico to a corporation > >with the same name, including the abbreviations "INC. i.e. Gauss > >Research Laboratory, Inc." As a result of this change, Gauss > >Research Laboratory Inc. was permitted to remove the .pr ccTLD > >operations outside the university campus, as well as redirect any > >funds generated by domain purchases. > > > >Results of IANA Decision > >It is apparent IANA, in its decision, considered the request for a > >name change in the sponsoring organization to be an administrative > >task, not a re-delegation of the ccTLD. However, according to the > >lawsuit, the ccTLD manager took action as if a full re-delegation > >had been made, allowing him to move the operation outside the > >university. Critically, in 2007, Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc. > >filed a change in corporate status from non-profit to for-profit > >with the Department of State of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. > > > >Therefore, IANA's decision effectively resulted in the hijacking of > >a public resource from a non-profit educational institution to a > >for-profit corporation. > > > >The NARALO is concerned the apparent "re-delegation" of the .pr > >domain represents a potential abuse of public trust and > >misappropriation of Internet resources. > > > >In addition, while the controversy over Puerto Rico's country-code > >domain may seem unusual, findings presented in the final report of > >the ccNSO Delegation and Redelegation Working Group > >(<http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/final-drd-report-02may11-en. > pdf>http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/final-drd-report-02may11-en.pdf) > >clearly indicate it is not. > > > >NARALO applauds and supports the ccNSO working group's desire, > >stated in that report, to "create an environment for making > >consistent and predictable decisions regarding the delegation, > >re-delegation and retirement of ccTLDs while enhancing > >accountability and transparency." > > > >Therefore, at the 2011 ICANN meeting in Dakar, NARALO will present > >the facts and allegations in this case, as well as examples of > >similar cases, in hopes of prompting a multi-stakeholder discussion > >and approach to create such an environment worldwide. > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ > > > > >-- >NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail message is intended >only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named >above. If you have received this communication by error, please >notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] DRAFT statement on .pr
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 15, 2011

Oct. 15, 2011

Beau, it would be useful to include in the statement the current state of the issue with regard to ICANN, IANA and the courts. That is, is there a current dispute/process underway to address this and if so, what is the state. Alan At 14/10/2011 01:10 PM, Beau Brendler wrote: >Hello, all. Here is the statement on the .pr controversy prepared by >Eduardo with comments by Garth and final revisions by me. Please >read and give feedback promptly. I'd also like Eduardo to look over >it carefully to make sure there are no editing errors introduced. > >STATEMENT OF THE NORTH AMERICAN AT-LARGE REGIONAL ORGANIZATION ON >THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF THE .PR DOMAIN > >The North American At-Large Regional Organization wants to bring the >ICANN community's attention to a serious concern regarding >management of Puerto Rico's country code top-level domain, .pr, >following a June 2011 lawsuit filed by The University of Puerto Rico >against the domain's manager alleging misappropriation of public >funds and inappropriate ownership claim of the domain, among other >allegations. > >Background >In 1988, the U.S. National Science Foundation established a program >to expand use of the Internet outside the United States by >establishing a domain registration that would allow each country >connected to the network to offer access the Internet through that domain. > >Within that program, the University of Puerto Rico, through its >Gauss Research Laboratory in the Natural Sciences department, >requested the domain ".pr" (institutional research number 8818283, >"Support for the Participation of the University of Puerto Rico in >the NSFNet"). This proposal was approved in 1989 and administration >of the .pr domain was designated to the "Gauss Research Laboratory" >with the university as manager. > >In 2006, the .pr ccTLD's manager contacted the Internet Assigned >Numbers Authority to request a name change in the sponsoring >organization, from the University of Puerto Rico to a corporation >with the same name, including the abbreviations "INC. i.e. Gauss >Research Laboratory, Inc." As a result of this change, Gauss >Research Laboratory Inc. was permitted to remove the .pr ccTLD >operations outside the university campus, as well as redirect any >funds generated by domain purchases. > >Results of IANA Decision >It is apparent IANA, in its decision, considered the request for a >name change in the sponsoring organization to be an administrative >task, not a re-delegation of the ccTLD. However, according to the >lawsuit, the ccTLD manager took action as if a full re-delegation >had been made, allowing him to move the operation outside the >university. Critically, in 2007, Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc. >filed a change in corporate status from non-profit to for-profit >with the Department of State of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. > >Therefore, IANA's decision effectively resulted in the hijacking of >a public resource from a non-profit educational institution to a >for-profit corporation. > >The NARALO is concerned the apparent "re-delegation" of the .pr >domain represents a potential abuse of public trust and >misappropriation of Internet resources. > >In addition, while the controversy over Puerto Rico's country-code >domain may seem unusual, findings presented in the final report of >the ccNSO Delegation and Redelegation Working Group >(http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/final-drd-report-02may11-en.pdf) >clearly indicate it is not. > >NARALO applauds and supports the ccNSO working group's desire, >stated in that report, to "create an environment for making >consistent and predictable decisions regarding the delegation, >re-delegation and retirement of ccTLDs while enhancing >accountability and transparency." > >Therefore, at the 2011 ICANN meeting in Dakar, NARALO will present >the facts and allegations in this case, as well as examples of >similar cases, in hopes of prompting a multi-stakeholder discussion >and approach to create such an environment worldwide.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Regarding Monday's NARALO meeting
by Beau Brendler Oct. 14, 2011

Oct. 14, 2011

why don't you say that on the call...I will support it also, every non-profit org has to have a strategic plan and mission statement it trots around, ICANN is no different, but if you spoke directly to the issue of Gareth's wasted time participating last go-round, it might register on the I-meter...I'd do it but am not particularly aware of the specifics of what he was asked to do. Or maybe Gareth wants to. If these folks are going around with their strategic plan slide deck then they should hear that the last time this region was asked to get involved in this it was a giant black hole... -----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Sent: Oct 14, 2011 2:43 PM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] Regarding Monday's NARALO meeting > >To me the ICANN Strategic Plan is a massive waste of time and energy, not >just on the part of At-Large but of all of ICANN. In fact, at this critical >time (i.e., US Government contracts up for renewal, changes at both CEO and >Board Chair, and increasing pressure from governments to scrap the whole >experiment), such an energy consuming exercise in "navel-gazing" simply >calls public attention to the extent of which ICANN is out of touch with the >community it is supposed to serve. I truly believe that the abandonment of >this charade of creating laminated motherhood statements and diversion of >energies to matters more pressing is urgently called upon. > >It doesn't help that, in all the time I have been involved with ICANN (which >is longer than some but MUCH shorter than many) ICANN has never lived up to >the aspirational plan, allowing staff rather than the community to really >determine priorities regardlss of what the nice words say. We have witnessed >this first hand, as most of last year's work within NARALO and led by Gareth >on the last Strategic Plan input was merely shunted aside -- and now we're >being asked to start all over again with no greater likelihood of success. >Compounding the farce is the charging of this same staff with evaluating its >own success. > >So, while I intend to participate in the call, I will probably sit out the >part on the strategic plan, and read a book or do something else that is >actually useful. > >- Evan >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] DRAFT statement on .pr
by Beau Brendler Oct. 14, 2011

Oct. 14, 2011

got it. Will make the change on the final. As for the root zone question, I do not know. Perhaps Garth B. might. If not we could ask Lutz in EURALO. -----Original Message----- From: Eduardo Diaz Sent: Oct 14, 2011 3:56 PM To: Beau Brendler Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] DRAFT statement on .pr Beau: Great revision!. Just a one change - see below. By the way, do anybody knows how to get all zone file changes to an specific ccTLD since its inception? Thanks. -ed On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Beau Brendler <[1]beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> wrote: Hello, all. Here is the statement on the .pr controversy prepared by Eduardo with comments by Garth and final revisions by me. Please read and give feedback promptly. I'd also like Eduardo to look over it carefully to make sure there are no editing errors introduced. STATEMENT OF THE NORTH AMERICAN AT-LARGE REGIONAL ORGANIZATION ON THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF THE .PR DOMAIN The North American At-Large Regional Organization wants to bring the ICANN communityâs attention to a serious concern regarding management of Puerto Ricoâs country code top-level domain, .pr, following a June 2011 lawsuit filed by The University of Puerto Rico against the domainâs manager alleging misappropriation of public funds and inappropriate ownership claim of the domain, among other allegations. Background In 1988, the U.S. National Science Foundation established a program to expand use of the Internet outside the United States by establishing a domain registration that would allow each country connected to the network to offer access the Internet through that domain. Within that program, the University of Puerto Rico, through its Gauss Research Laboratory in the Natural Sciences department, requested the domain ".pr" (institutional research number 8818283, "Support for the Participation of the University of Puerto Rico in the NSFNetâ). This proposal was approved in 1989 and administration of the .pr domain was designated to the âGauss Research Laboratoryâ with the university as manager. In 2006, the .pr ccTLDâs manager contacted the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority to request a name change in the sponsoring organization, from the University of Puerto Rico to a corporation with the same name, including the abbreviations âINC. i.e. Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc.â As a result of this change, Gauss Research Laboratory Inc. was permitted to remove the .pr ccTLD operations outside the university campus, as well proceeded (or a similar verb) to remove the .pr... as redirect any funds generated by domain purchases. Results of IANA Decision It is apparent IANA, in its decision, considered the request for a name change in the sponsoring organization to be an administrative task, not a re-delegation of the ccTLD. However, according to the lawsuit, the ccTLD manager took action as if a full re-delegation had been made, allowing him to move the operation outside the university. Critically, in 2007, Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc. filed a change in corporate status from non-profit to for-profit with the Department of State of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Therefore, IANAâs decision effectively resulted in the hijacking of a public resource from a non-profit educational institution to a for-profit corporation. The NARALO is concerned the apparent âre-delegationâ of the .pr domain represents a potential abuse of public trust and misappropriation of Internet resources. In addition, while the controversy over Puerto Rico's country-code domain may seem unusual, findings presented in the final report of the ccNSO Delegation and Redelegation Working Group ([2]http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/final-drd-report-02may11-en.pdf) clearly indicate it is not. NARALO applauds and supports the ccNSO working groupâs desire, stated in that report, to âcreate an environment for making consistent and predictable decisions regarding the delegation, re-delegation and retirement of ccTLDs while enhancing accountability and transparency.â Therefore, at the 2011 ICANN meeting in Dakar, NARALO will present the facts and allegations in this case, as well as examples of similar cases, in hopes of prompting a multi-stakeholder discussion and approach to create such an environment worldwide. ------ NA-Discuss mailing list [3]NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [4]https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at [5]http://www.naralo.org ------ -- NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this communication by error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. References 1. mailto:beaubrendler@earthlink.net 2. http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/final-drd-report-02may11-en.pdf 3. mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org 4. https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss 5. http://www.naralo.org/

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Regarding Monday's NARALO meeting
by Evan Leibovitch Oct. 14, 2011

Oct. 14, 2011

To me the ICANN Strategic Plan is a massive waste of time and energy, not just on the part of At-Large but of all of ICANN. In fact, at this critical time (i.e., US Government contracts up for renewal, changes at both CEO and Board Chair, and increasing pressure from governments to scrap the whole experiment), such an energy consuming exercise in "navel-gazing" simply calls public attention to the extent of which ICANN is out of touch with the community it is supposed to serve. I truly believe that the abandonment of this charade of creating laminated motherhood statements and diversion of energies to matters more pressing is urgently called upon. It doesn't help that, in all the time I have been involved with ICANN (which is longer than some but MUCH shorter than many) ICANN has never lived up to the aspirational plan, allowing staff rather than the community to really determine priorities regardlss of what the nice words say. We have witnessed this first hand, as most of last year's work within NARALO and led by Gareth on the last Strategic Plan input was merely shunted aside -- and now we're being asked to start all over again with no greater likelihood of success. Compounding the farce is the charging of this same staff with evaluating its own success. So, while I intend to participate in the call, I will probably sit out the part on the strategic plan, and read a book or do something else that is actually useful. - Evan

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