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REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by Marilyn Vernon June 11, 2011

June 11, 2011

Dear All, The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 13 June 2011 at 19:00 UTC. The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/GQEBAQ If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff

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statement on pre-registration draft for discussion
by Beau Brendler June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

I figure the shorter the better. Maybe it's not short enough. Anyway: --------DRAFT LANGUAGE BEGINS HERE------------- To: ALAC and ICANN Board From: North American Regional At-Large Organization (NARALO) Subject: Pre-registration of TLDs The NARALO observes that at least one ICANN-accredited registrar, United Domains, is offering what it calls "Free nTLD pre-registration" (see https://www.uniteddomains.com/ntld/pre-register-new-domains) in anticipation of the availability of some top-level domains by its own estimated date of October 2012. While United Domains says the pre-registration service is free and non-binding, the NARALO is concerned the offer of such a service could create artificial demand which could then be used to justify additional rounds of TLD creation and release, or might serve to confuse consumers. The NARALO wishes to remind ICANN that approximately 10 years ago, the announcement of pre-registration for new top-level domains (such as .aero, .coop and so-on) prompted the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to issue a consumer alert (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt084.pdf) that said, in part, "Some registration services are guaranteeing new top level domain names or promising preferential treatment in the registration process.... "But, the agency cautions, these offers may be misleading. "The FTC advises consumers to protect themselves by: ...Avoiding any domain name pre-registration service that guarantees particular top level domain names or preferential treatment in the assignment of new top level domain names.." The NARALO is aware that the situation then and now is different, and that United Domains and others provide substantial disclosure information about the nature of the pre-registration program. The NARALO also recognizes that the FTC action at the time was thought by some in the Internet community to be excessive and alarmist. Therefore, the NARALO recommends that, through ALAC, ICANN undertake public communication that makes clear what, exactly, consumers and others might expect from "pre-registration." It should be the organization that administers the domain name system, not the agents of domain sale, who should be defining the nature of Internet "real estate" in the public interest. -----------DRAFT LANGUAGE ENDS HERE------------------- OK, feel free to have at it, discuss, add, critique. Let's see if we can get some consensus on a statement rolling into the Singapore meeting. We can circle back on this on Monday's call. Thanks Beau -----Original Message----- >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: Jun 6, 2011 3:25 PM >To: NARALO Discussion List <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations > >In announcing the final countdown to .eu, the European Commission used this language: > >"Given a risk of confusion and even fraud, use of "pre-registration" services is not recommended by the Commission. In any case consumers and companies are encouraged to check exactly what is and what is not being offered." > >I see no harm in recommending the issuance of a similarly-worded ICANN Advisory. > > >--- On Mon, 6/6/11, Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com> wrote: > >> From: Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com> >> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations >> To: "NARALO Discussion List" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 2:04 PM >> Hi, >> >> I guess I do not understand why they are harmful in and of >> themselves. >> >> Certainly if they are false advertising in any way, that is >> an issue. But if they are an investment method or come >> with a money-back guarantee, I do not understand the public >> harm as long as they are sold with an appropriate >> description. >> >> a. >> >> >> >> On 6 Jun 2011, at 13:10, Beau Brendler wrote: >> >> > Eric B-W wrote: >> > >> > "offers of "pre-registration" by non-parties to >> registry >> > application projects are contrary to the public >> interest, and may harm the >> > targeted registry application projects, for which they >> have private redress." >> > >> > After three years in ALAC, I don't recall this topic >> coming up, or the ALAC making a statement on it. >> > >> > I would support drafting a statement that >> pre-registrations in this mode are contrary to public >> interest -- though as chair I don't want to step forward and >> do that without some discussion and consensus. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> From: ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net >> >> Sent: Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM >> >> To: dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com >> >> Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations >> >> >> >> Danny, >> >> >> >> I do not know if the ALAC offered advice to the >> Board on the subject at >> >> some prior point in time. >> >> >> >> Similarly, I do not know if the ALAC has offered >> advice to the FTC or any >> >> other agency of a political jurisdiction on the >> subject at some prior point >> >> in time. >> >> >> >> If so, then I suppose that the ALAC advice can be >> checked for currency and >> >> either updated and referenced, or if current, >> simply referenced again. >> >> >> >> Application projects like the 2004 Catalan >> project, or the 2000 Cooperatives >> >> project, should engage in communications to their >> prospective communities, >> >> as the default, the current situation, and still a >> problem for cooperatives, >> >> is that no practical alternative exists to >> Verisign's for-profit "com" label. >> >> >> >> How close pre-application communications offering >> pre-service information, >> >> and of necessity, to meet the ICANN direct fee and >> additional costs which >> >> are identified in the current DAG, also >> solliciting participation, whether >> >> unconditional, or in exchange for some current >> value, or expectation, can >> >> come to "pre-registration" of a hypothetical, I >> can't speculate upon. >> >> >> >> The United Domains campaign is clearly not an >> instance of a single application >> >> project, or a cooperating group such as ECLID >> (Scotland, Wales, Brittany, >> >> Galacia, and the Autonomous Basque Region) >> communicating to their respective >> >> communities. >> >> >> >> I'm not optimistic concerning ICANN's current CEO >> instructing staff counsel >> >> to make a determination that "pre-registration" >> volates the current registrar >> >> contract, but I think offers of "pre-registration" >> by non-parties to registry >> >> application projects are contrary to the public >> interest, and may harm the >> >> targeted registry application projects, for which >> they have private redress. >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> ------ >> >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> >> ------ >> > >> > ------ >> > NA-Discuss mailing list >> > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> > >> > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> > ------ >> > >> >> >> >> ------ >> Pick your poison: Kool-Aid or Hemlock! >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >> > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by Beau Brendler June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

It's the only time I can do it...until Thursday afternoon. A number of people seem to be in transit then. If enough West Coasters can't make it, we can postpone the call altogether. At the moment, we seem to have a majority OK for 9 EST Monday. -----Original Message----- >From: Gareth Shearman <shearman(a)victoria.tc.ca> >Sent: Jun 10, 2011 11:24 AM >To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >Cc: Marilyn Vernon <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>, "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC > >That's very early (6 AM) here on the West Coast Beau. Can we not schedule this at some other time of the day? > >Gareth > >On 2011-06-10, at 6:22 AM, Beau Brendler wrote: > >> Marilyn, I sent this note to Seth this morning: >> --------------------------------------------- >> Hi, Seth. I will get back to you later today on the agenda, I will have several changes. >> >> Due to a schedule conflict on my part, I need to reschedule the call for 9 a.m. EST. I asked the NA to suggest any other time but folks seemed to be OK with this, I know it's early for you. >> >> Let me know if this presents a problem. >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Can you make this change on your end? >> >> Thanks >> >> Beau >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Marilyn Vernon <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >>> Sent: Jun 9, 2011 4:50 PM >>> To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >>> Subject: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 13 June 2011 at >>> 19:00 UTC. >>> >>> The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: >>> https://community.icann.org/x/GQEBAQ >>> >>> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: >>> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon >>> ICANN At-Large Staff >>> >>> >>> ------ >>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>> >>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>> ------ >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >> >

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Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by Beau Brendler June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

That's much appreciated, Eric. I think Darlene is going to take notes off the recording, at Seth Greene's suggestion. Yesterday afternoon was bad in New York. A number of people around my community still don't have power back. There are more storms on the way today, I think, but tomorrow the temperature is supposed to drop to 67 (!) -----Original Message----- >From: ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net >Sent: Jun 10, 2011 10:05 AM >To: beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net >Cc: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC > >Colleagues, > >I'm current in Monterey California, not Ithaca, New York, on personal business, and >plan to participate in the 6am PDT call. > >I don't mind taking notes, I can record audio locally and handle multiple in-band and >skype or jabber streams as well, and turn around the notes product before noon. > >My partner in Ithaca tells me the weather in the East has been unusally dynamic. > >Eric

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Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by ebw＠abenaki.wabanaki.net June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

Colleagues, I'm current in Monterey California, not Ithaca, New York, on personal business, and plan to participate in the 6am PDT call. I don't mind taking notes, I can record audio locally and handle multiple in-band and skype or jabber streams as well, and turn around the notes product before noon. My partner in Ithaca tells me the weather in the East has been unusally dynamic. Eric

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Re: [NA-Discuss] NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by Seth Greene June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

You're very welcome, Darlene. Kind regards, Seth ______ Seth Greene Interim Manager, At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (212) 662-7723 E-mail: seth.greene(a)icann.org ________________________________________ From: Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:50 AM To: Seth Greene Subject: RE: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC Thank you, that does help! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Seth Greene [mailto:Seth.Greene@icann.org] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:45 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; 'Beau Brendler'; ICANN At-Large Staff; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC Hello, Darlene, Perhaps I can help with a suggestion: The NARALO calls are, of course, recorded. As an option, I think you'd find it quite easy, after the meeting, to listen to the recording and take notes from that. In fact, for the last meeting you had to skip and for which you asked me to take minutes, I actually did it just that way (even though I happened to be on the call). And, of course, I'm happy to put up some brief notes right after the meeting, if that helps further. I hope this is some assistance. Thanks very much. Best regards, Seth ______ Seth Greene Interim Manager, At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (212) 662-7723 E-mail: seth.greene(a)icann.org ________________________________________ From: Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:28 AM To: 'Beau Brendler'; ICANN At-Large Staff; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC I will be unavailable at that time due to a scheduled doctor's appointment. Could somebody else please take notes? Staff no longer does this and insists that I find a replacement if I am unable to attend. Thank you, Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Beau Brendler Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:23 AM To: Marilyn Vernon; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC Marilyn, I sent this note to Seth this morning: --------------------------------------------- Hi, Seth. I will get back to you later today on the agenda, I will have several changes. Due to a schedule conflict on my part, I need to reschedule the call for 9 a.m. EST. I asked the NA to suggest any other time but folks seemed to be OK with this, I know it's early for you. Let me know if this presents a problem. ---------------------------------------------- Can you make this change on your end? Thanks Beau -----Original Message----- >From: Marilyn Vernon <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Sent: Jun 9, 2011 4:50 PM >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC > >Dear All, > >The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 13 June 2011 at >19:00 UTC. > >The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: >https://community.icann.org/x/GQEBAQ > >If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: >staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. > >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon >ICANN At-Large Staff > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------

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(US EEUU) FTC Deadline for Public Comments on Businesses Education Publication About Online Disclosures
by ebw＠abenaki.wabanaki.net June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

Colleagues, I know this is not necessarily of interest to all ALS or unafilliated members in the North American Region, as it is jurisdictionally specific. However, jurisdictional authorities do have public interest agendas. Here is an excerpt from the FTC announcement: The staff of the Federal Trade Commission will extend the public comment period for "Dot Com Disclosures: Information About Online Advertising" -- the business education publication discusses how federal advertising law applies to advertising and sales on the Internet. At the request of a stakeholder, the comment deadline has now been extended for 30 days until August 10, 2011. The original (2002) version of "Dot Com Disclosures: Information About Online Advertising" is available at this link (83 pp, .pdf): http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus41-dot-com-disclosures-information-abo… The May, 2011 call for updates is available at this link: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/05/dotcom.shtm The portion of the public interest the FTC is charged with, within a political jurisdiction is summarized in this statement: "The Federal Trade Commission works for consumers to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices and to provide information to help spot, stop, and avoid them." Eric

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NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by Seth Greene June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

Hello, Darlene, Perhaps I can help with a suggestion: The NARALO calls are, of course, recorded. As an option, I think you'd find it quite easy, after the meeting, to listen to the recording and take notes from that. In fact, for the last meeting you had to skip and for which you asked me to take minutes, I actually did it just that way (even though I happened to be on the call). And, of course, I'm happy to put up some brief notes right after the meeting, if that helps further. I hope this is some assistance. Thanks very much. Best regards, Seth ______ Seth Greene Interim Manager, At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: + 1 (212) 662-7723 E-mail: seth.greene(a)icann.org ________________________________________ From: Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:28 AM To: 'Beau Brendler'; ICANN At-Large Staff; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC I will be unavailable at that time due to a scheduled doctor's appointment. Could somebody else please take notes? Staff no longer does this and insists that I find a replacement if I am unable to attend. Thank you, Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Beau Brendler Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:23 AM To: Marilyn Vernon; na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC Marilyn, I sent this note to Seth this morning: --------------------------------------------- Hi, Seth. I will get back to you later today on the agenda, I will have several changes. Due to a schedule conflict on my part, I need to reschedule the call for 9 a.m. EST. I asked the NA to suggest any other time but folks seemed to be OK with this, I know it's early for you. Let me know if this presents a problem. ---------------------------------------------- Can you make this change on your end? Thanks Beau -----Original Message----- >From: Marilyn Vernon <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Sent: Jun 9, 2011 4:50 PM >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC > >Dear All, > >The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 13 June 2011 at >19:00 UTC. > >The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: >https://community.icann.org/x/GQEBAQ > >If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: >staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. > >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon >ICANN At-Large Staff > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC
by Beau Brendler June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

Marilyn, I sent this note to Seth this morning: --------------------------------------------- Hi, Seth. I will get back to you later today on the agenda, I will have several changes. Due to a schedule conflict on my part, I need to reschedule the call for 9 a.m. EST. I asked the NA to suggest any other time but folks seemed to be OK with this, I know it's early for you. Let me know if this presents a problem. ---------------------------------------------- Can you make this change on your end? Thanks Beau -----Original Message----- >From: Marilyn Vernon <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Sent: Jun 9, 2011 4:50 PM >To: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 13 June 19:00 UTC > >Dear All, > >The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 13 June 2011 at >19:00 UTC. > >The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: >https://community.icann.org/x/GQEBAQ > >If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: >staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>. > >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon >ICANN At-Large Staff > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations, next week's call, other issues
by Beau Brendler June 10, 2011

June 10, 2011

Apologies for the delay in replying. We had severe storms here yesterday afternoon and I lost my power and Internet until this morning. OK, let's do 9 a.m. EST. I will tell Marilyn and Seth. For those of you who haven't seen the exchange between Olivier and Marc, here it is: Dear Marc, thank you for your letter of resignation which I accept with deep regret. I appreciate that the time demands which are placed on ALAC members are high when wishing to be involved fully in ALAC processes, RALOs and At-Large grassroots input to ICANN. It is something which we all have to struggle with. I also share your concerns regarding decisions by national governments and other factors external to ICANN. However, our mission in ICANN is limited to the by-laws under which we operate and this mission is quite focussed. The responsibilities which were defined to avoid a scattering of resources, are listed in Articles XI.4.a and XI.4.j and surpassing those limits, although tempting, is not something which the ALAC should do. The responsibility of the ALAC is to make the voice of Internet users heard in ICANN - and this has to be done with the scarce resources which we are afforded, both in funding and in volunteer time. I have enjoyed working with you on the Internet Town Hall in San Francisco and hope that you will remain in contact with the ICANN At-Large community. I know that many members have appreciated meeting you and will look forward to keeping in touch. However, with your resignation, your participation in the ICANN Singapore meeting cannot be justified and after consultation with the Executive Committee, it was decided to enable another At-Large member to travel to Singapore. I trust that you will understand this, and wish you every success in the future. Sincerely, Olivier Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair On 07/06/2011 21:36, Marc Rotenberg wrote : > Dear Olivier, > > I am tendering my resignation from ALAC. > > Upon further consideration, I do not believe I have the > considerable amount of time required to make a meaningful > contribution to ALAC. > > I do believe that the Internet Town Hall, which we organized in > conjunction with the recent meeting in San Francisco, provided the > opportunity for a fresh perspective on Future Challenges facing > users of the Internet. > > I also believe that the decision of national governments to > suspend access to the Internet poses a profound challenge to the > freedom of Internet users that cannot be ignored. > > And I remain concerned about the technical and administrative > obstacles that continue to consume so much of our valuable time and > make it difficult for people to obtain even basic information about > the work of ALAC. > > To be an effective representative of the individual Internet > user, as the ALAC charter requires, the Committee should focus less > on the organizational structure of ICANN and more on the needs and > concerns of the Internet user. A clear vision can help transform an > organization. > > Whether ALAC chooses to explore that possibility is now up to > the Committee. > > I appreciated the opportunity to meet many fine individuals, and > hope to see them again in the future. And I admire your dedication > as Chair. I wish you the very best. > > I will attend the meeting in Singapore or not, based upon your > preference. > > Sincerely, > > > Marc Rotenberg > -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… -----Original Message----- >From: Gordon Chillcott <gordontc(a)look.ca> >Sent: Jun 10, 2011 7:41 AM >To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera(a)gmail.com> >Cc: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net>, na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations, next week's call, other issues > >I can make it to a meeting on Monday morning, too. Again, just let us >know. > >Gordon > > >On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 12:36 -0400, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >> Beau: >> >> I can make the call in the morning (EST). Just let us know. Thursday I am >> going to be in transit to Singapore. >> >> By the way, I did not see the note about Marc resigning. >> >> -ed >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net>wrote: >> >> > Greetings. >> > >> > 1. I am assuming everyone saw the note yesterday about Marc Rotenberg's >> > resignation from his nom com slot on ALAC. I think this is a big loss to us >> > and to the effort of improving relations with the NCSG/UC but we all know >> > what it's like not to have enough time for this work. >> > >> > 2. I see some consensus over the past week on the possibility of sending a >> > brief statement to ICANN on the pre-registration matter that, in effect, >> > suggests it take a similar action to what was done a few years back, i.e., a >> > sort of "consumer alert" (though the intended audience really would be >> > businesses and entities interested in gTLDs). If so I will attempt to draft >> > something brief over the next 24 hours and send it to the list for a quick >> > round of feedback. If someone else would rather do that, let me know. >> > >> > 3. I believe there is a NA-RALO call scheduled for early next week. I will >> > only be available to do that early Monday EST (say during the 9 a.m. to 12 >> > noon slot), but not again until Thursday, as I will be in transit to >> > Singapore. Please let me know what you would like to do -- reschedule call, >> > cancel, etc. >> > >> > 4. Don't forget that it would be very helpful for us attending the >> > Singapore meeting to have some input from all of you on policy issues. I >> > have collected what has been said so far (some of it ranging to issues >> > outside policy development, such as recruitment), but there's certainly room >> > for more requests/input. >> > >> > 5. I was not able to attend the recent call to discuss the budget. I >> > believe we have had a chance to review the document -- NA-RALO got basically >> > $5K to do a survey/study and another $1K to produce a recruitment video for >> > YouTube and other venues -- all the other requests were turned down. We can >> > communicate some more about whether it would be a good idea to try to >> > convene an NARALO general assembly at the Toronto meeting, as there should >> > be some travel funds to spare -- a number of us are within cheap travel >> > distance from there. >> > >> > More when I have a chance... >> > >> > Beau >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >From: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> >> > >Sent: Jun 6, 2011 1:10 PM >> > >To: ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net, dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com >> > >Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations >> > > >> > >Eric B-W wrote: >> > > >> > >"offers of "pre-registration" by non-parties to registry >> > >application projects are contrary to the public interest, and may harm the >> > >targeted registry application projects, for which they have private >> > redress." >> > > >> > >After three years in ALAC, I don't recall this topic coming up, or the >> > ALAC making a statement on it. >> > > >> > >I would support drafting a statement that pre-registrations in this mode >> > are contrary to public interest -- though as chair I don't want to step >> > forward and do that without some discussion and consensus. >> > > >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > >>From: ebw(a)abenaki.wabanaki.net >> > >>Sent: Jun 6, 2011 9:50 AM >> > >>To: dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com >> > >>Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Pre-registrations >> > >> >> > >>Danny, >> > >> >> > >>I do not know if the ALAC offered advice to the Board on the subject at >> > >>some prior point in time. >> > >> >> > >>Similarly, I do not know if the ALAC has offered advice to the FTC or any >> > >>other agency of a political jurisdiction on the subject at some prior >> > point >> > >>in time. >> > >> >> > >>If so, then I suppose that the ALAC advice can be checked for currency >> > and >> > >>either updated and referenced, or if current, simply referenced again. >> > >> >> > >>Application projects like the 2004 Catalan project, or the 2000 >> > Cooperatives >> > >>project, should engage in communications to their prospective >> > communities, >> > >>as the default, the current situation, and still a problem for >> > cooperatives, >> > >>is that no practical alternative exists to Verisign's for-profit "com" >> > label. >> > >> >> > >>How close pre-application communications offering pre-service >> > information, >> > >>and of necessity, to meet the ICANN direct fee and additional costs which >> > >>are identified in the current DAG, also solliciting participation, >> > whether >> > >>unconditional, or in exchange for some current value, or expectation, can >> > >>come to "pre-registration" of a hypothetical, I can't speculate upon. >> > >> >> > >>The United Domains campaign is clearly not an instance of a single >> > application >> > >>project, or a cooperating group such as ECLID (Scotland, Wales, Brittany, >> > >>Galacia, and the Autonomous Basque Region) communicating to their >> > respective >> > >>communities. >> > >> >> > >>I'm not optimistic concerning ICANN's current CEO instructing staff >> > counsel >> > >>to make a determination that "pre-registration" volates the current >> > registrar >> > >>contract, but I think offers of "pre-registration" by non-parties to >> > registry >> > >>application projects are contrary to the public interest, and may harm >> > the >> > >>targeted registry application projects, for which they have private >> > redress. >> > >> >> > >>Eric >> > >>------ >> > >>NA-Discuss mailing list >> > >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> > >> >> > >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> > >>------ >> > >> > ------ >> > NA-Discuss mailing list >> > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> > >> > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> > ------ >> > >> >> >> > >

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