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Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 4, 2009

Oct. 4, 2009

Regardless of whether people "want" to discuss the issue, my understanding is that ICANN has little jurisdiction over what a country can do with a properly delegated ccTLD, short of taking it out of the root if Internet stability is impacted. Where ICANN does have non-stability-related jurisdiction, it is limited to those ccTLDs that choose to be members of the ccNSO, and even for these there are escape clauses - see Article IX of the ICANN Bylaws. Would we have set up the rules differently if we were starting the Internet all over again? Perhaps. But that is the case for MANY things, some of them far more onerous than a ccTLD being marketed as a gTLD. And I should point out that although .TV was transformed into an de facto gTLD years ago, .ME is quite recent, and I am not sure it is up to us to tell the government or people of Montenegro what is best for them. I suggest that we stay focused on issues that ICANN has some control over. There is more than enough to keep us busy. Alan At 04/10/2009 04:22 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote: >It may have the blessing of the Moldovan Gov't but some of it's citizens >may not appreciate the transfer especially if it is being misused and >they get nothing for it and don't have access to it. If someone sold my >birthright I wouldn't be happy. > >Yes, each ccTLD gov't can do what they want it, but when goes to the .LA >root site and can't even discern the original intent of the ccTLD, >hasn't it lost its meaning? I'm of the belief that the ccTLDs are best >used when used by their own people and controlled by their own >governments, you disagree? > >I'm trying to start with a full accounting of the ccTLD ownership and >accountability. I realize there are many people out there who don't want >to discuss the issue.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement
by Zaid Ali Oct. 4, 2009

Oct. 4, 2009

Garth, I am with you on this one and I am glad you raised this topic as well as the need for accountability. As someone who worked in the south pacific for many years and seen .tv taken away from the people of Tuvalu (greed by local government and foreign interests) I agree that ccTLDs are best used by their own people. The problem in the south pacific 10 years ago was that the internet was very young and most people did not know the value of a ccTLD and how it can be used for economic benefit as well as national identity. During my last visit to the south pacific and talking with people at the local univeristy I found that the younger generation now understand the importance and value of ccTLD's and also appalled at how their ccTLD had been robbed. A country like Tuvalu which is small could only negotiate a $50M deal for the .tv domain but I don't think the people of Tuvalu saw this money helping build their infrastructure. I support your efforts in full accounting of ccTLD ownership and accountability. ccTLD's should be guarded like currency of a nation. Zaid Ali President, Internet Society San Francisco Bay chapter www.sfbayisoc.org zaid(a)sfbayisoc.org ----- "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen(a)knujon.com> wrote: > It may have the blessing of the Moldovan Gov't but some of it's > citizens > may not appreciate the transfer especially if it is being misused and > they get nothing for it and don't have access to it. If someone sold > my > birthright I wouldn't be happy. > > Yes, each ccTLD gov't can do what they want it, but when goes to the > .LA > root site and can't even discern the original intent of the ccTLD, > hasn't it lost its meaning? I'm of the belief that the ccTLDs are best > used when used by their own people and controlled by their own > governments, you disagree? > > I'm trying to start with a full accounting of the ccTLD ownership and > accountability. I realize there are many people out there who don't > want > to discuss the issue. > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > > From: Antony Van Couvering <avc(a)avc.vc> > > Date: Sun, October 04, 2009 2:29 pm > > To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > > > It's a little difficult to know where to start with Mr. Bruen's list > > -- it's wrong in several significant ways. > > > > .MD has been run by a group blessed by the Moldovan Gov't since > 2003. http://iana.org/reports/2003/md-report-22oct03.html > > > > .LA, while sold as "Los Angeles" (not very successfully) is run by > > Laotian Gov't. Presumably, they can do what they want with it, > > including selling it to Angelinos. > http://iana.org/domains/root/db/la.html > > > > Assuming that a secondary DNS server located in the U.S. doesn't > mean > > that the TLD is "run from" the U.S., then just about all of the > names > > on this list are wrong. Some on the list have no connection at all > > to the U.S. -- .AL - Albania, the first on the list, is an example. > > > > On the other hand, if "run from" means that the registry operations > > are fully or partially located in the U.S., then there are some > > missing. Curiously, these missing ones have a theme -- they are > run > > by large registry incumbents: > > > > -- The ccTLDs for whom Afilias provides registry services are > missing > > (e.g., .MN, .VC) -- see http://www.afilias-grs.info/public/homepage > > -- The ccTLDs for whom Neustar provides registry services are > missing > > (e.g., .US, .CO). > > -- The ccTLDs for whom VeriSign provices registry services are > missing > > (e.g., .TV, .CC). > > > > Even the provision of registry services by these U.S.-based > companies > > does not mean that they are "run" from the U.S. It just means that > a > > piece of technical infrastructure has been outsourced to them. > > > > Mr. Bruen's list is almost a mirror image of the reality. There is > no > > U.S. involvement in .CU (Cuba). There is no U.S. involvement in .LI > > (Liechtenstein). Or .NA (Namibia). The list goes on and on. > This > > can be verified by going through the IANA database, looking at who > the > > contacts are where the nameservers are. > http://iana.org/domains/root/db/ > > > > Antony Van Couvering > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote: > > > > > Thanks Danny, > > > > > > > > > There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual > country, > > > some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole > story. > > > > > > Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run > by > > > someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" > sites > > > and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the > the > > > .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and > > > weather > > > for Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.: > > > > > > Albania (.al) > > > Andorra (.ad) > > > Antarctica (.aq) > > > Armenia (.am) > > > Azerbaijan (.az) > > > Bahamas (.bs) > > > Botswana (.bw) > > > Canada (.ca) > > > Catalonia (.cat) > > > Central African Republic (.cf) > > > Chile (.cl) > > > Christmas Island (.cx) > > > Costa Rica (.cr) > > > Cuba (.cu) > > > Cyprus (.cy) > > > East Timor(.tl) > > > Egypt (.eg) > > > Fiji (.fj) > > > Ghana (.gh) > > > Guinea (.gn) > > > Guyana (.gy) > > > Haiti (.ht) > > > Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) > > > Hong Kong (.hk) > > > Iceland (.is) > > > Israel (.il) > > > Kiribati (.ki) > > > Lebanon (.lb) > > > Lesotho (.ls) > > > Lesotho (.ls) > > > Liberia (.lr) > > > Liechtenstein (.li) > > > Malawi (.mw) > > > Maldives (.mv) > > > Mali (.ml) > > > Malta (.mt) > > > Mauritius (.mu) > > > Moldova (.md) > > > Montserrat (.ms) > > > Namibia (.na) > > > Nauru (.nr) > > > Nepal (.np) > > > Netherlands (.nl) > > > Nigeria (.ng) > > > Palestine (.ps) > > > Philippines (.ph) > > > Pitcairn Islands (.pn) > > > Portugal (.pt) > > > Puerto Rico (.pr) > > > Saudi Arabia (.sa) > > > Serbia (.rs) > > > Solomon Islands (.sb) > > > South Africa (.za) > > > South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) > > > Sri Lanka (.lk) > > > Swaziland (.sz) > > > Switzerland (.ch) > > > Tanzania (.tz) > > > Thailand (.th) > > > Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) > > > Tunisia (.tn) > > > Ukraine (.ua) > > > United Arab Emirates (.ae) > > > Uruguay (.uy) > > > Venezuela (.ve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > > >> Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > > >> From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > > >> Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am > > >> To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> > > >> > > >> [excerpted from the governance list] > > >> > > >> LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation > > >> > > >> To the international community > > >> > > >> By this note, we would like to inform the international community > > >> about > > >> the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by > RDS-HN, > > >> associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about > this > > >> situation. > > >> > > >> The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must > hand > > >> over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of > the > > >> Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that > > >> "CONATEL > > >> controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP > > >> directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to > > >> take > > >> the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and > IP > > >> addresses can be executed through from other public or private > > >> institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the > > >> corresponding > > >> regulations will be issued." > > >> > > >> Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national > > >> authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, > > >> CONATEL > > >> has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. > > >> Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has > been > > >> managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management > > >> immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of > Article > > >> 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications > > >> Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately > > >> suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of > new > > >> domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of > > >> domains .HN > > >> and records, that the institution have been conferred, to > CONATEL." > > >> > > >> The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development > > >> Network) > > >> http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since > > >> April > > >> 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, > in > > >> July > > >> 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN > > >> (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf) > which > > >> explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, > RDS is > > >> also a leading civil society organization that facilitates > > >> connectivity > > >> to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the > > >> community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, > RDS > > >> is > > >> being recognized as a pioneer in the region. > > >> > > >> The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally > > >> accepted > > >> and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because > of > > >> the > > >> stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD > work, > > >> RDS > > >> is due to its local and international community on the Internet. > > >> > > >> In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out > > >> CONATEL > > >> is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of > the > > >> Pact of San José de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the > > >> relationship > > >> that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and > is > > >> based on existing contractual agreements and relationships. > > >> > > >> LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that > have > > >> unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to > take > > >> in a > > >> sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it > > >> will be > > >> detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which > > >> primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet > > >> resources. > > >> > > >> LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily > > >> seeks > > >> to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the > correct > > >> running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail > between > > >> two sides in order to solve this delicate situation. > > >> > > >> Sincerely, > > >> > > >> Council of LACTLD > > >> Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------ > > >> NA-Discuss mailing list > > >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > >> > > >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > >> ------ > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > > ------ > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement
by Alan Greenberg Oct. 4, 2009

Oct. 4, 2009

Perhaps it is just my view, but I would think that a case such as .CA where they run mirrored servers in the US is not a sign of questionable standards, but rather the sign of a responsible ccTLD operator. Alan At 04/10/2009 04:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote: >There are varying degrees and in some cases it isn't clear. ccTLDs >like .NU, .LA, .MD seem to be completely controlled by agents >outside the actual country. Will other ccTLDs, like .CA simply have >some DNS handling in the U.S. maybe "running" was a bad word for all >listed ccTLDs.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn Oct. 4, 2009

Oct. 4, 2009

There are varying degrees and in some cases it isn't clear. ccTLDs like .NU, .LA, .MD seem to be completely controlled by agents outside the actual country. Will other ccTLDs, like .CA simply have some DNS handling in the U.S. maybe "running" was a bad word for all listed ccTLDs. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > From: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sun, October 04, 2009 12:24 pm > To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > Cc: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com>, > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Garth: > > What does it mean that the ccTLD's are completely or partly run from the > U.S? Are you referring to the hardware equipment or the actual > administration of the ccTLD business, or boths? > > In the case of Puerto Rico everything is done under the jurisdiction of the > US for our political relationship with them. > > Can you clarify the other?. Thanks. > > -ed > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com>wrote: > > > Thanks Danny, > > > > > > There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, > > some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story. > > > > Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by > > someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites > > and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the > > .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and weather > > for Los Angeles. > > > > > > List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.: > > > > Albania (.al) > > Andorra (.ad) > > Antarctica (.aq) > > Armenia (.am) > > Azerbaijan (.az) > > Bahamas (.bs) > > Botswana (.bw) > > Canada (.ca) > > Catalonia (.cat) > > Central African Republic (.cf) > > Chile (.cl) > > Christmas Island (.cx) > > Costa Rica (.cr) > > Cuba (.cu) > > Cyprus (.cy) > > East Timor(.tl) > > Egypt (.eg) > > Fiji (.fj) > > Ghana (.gh) > > Guinea (.gn) > > Guyana (.gy) > > Haiti (.ht) > > Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) > > Hong Kong (.hk) > > Iceland (.is) > > Israel (.il) > > Kiribati (.ki) > > Lebanon (.lb) > > Lesotho (.ls) > > Lesotho (.ls) > > Liberia (.lr) > > Liechtenstein (.li) > > Malawi (.mw) > > Maldives (.mv) > > Mali (.ml) > > Malta (.mt) > > Mauritius (.mu) > > Moldova (.md) > > Montserrat (.ms) > > Namibia (.na) > > Nauru (.nr) > > Nepal (.np) > > Netherlands (.nl) > > Nigeria (.ng) > > Palestine (.ps) > > Philippines (.ph) > > Pitcairn Islands (.pn) > > Portugal (.pt) > > Puerto Rico (.pr) > > Saudi Arabia (.sa) > > Serbia (.rs) > > Solomon Islands (.sb) > > South Africa (.za) > > South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) > > Sri Lanka (.lk) > > Swaziland (.sz) > > Switzerland (.ch) > > Tanzania (.tz) > > Thailand (.th) > > Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) > > Tunisia (.tn) > > Ukraine (.ua) > > United Arab Emirates (.ae) > > Uruguay (.uy) > > Venezuela (.ve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > > > From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > > > Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am > > > To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > > > [excerpted from the governance list] > > > > > > LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation > > > > > > To the international community > > > > > > By this note, we would like to inform the international community about > > > the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, > > > associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about this > > > situation. > > > > > > The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must hand > > > over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the > > > Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that "CONATEL > > > controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP > > > directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to take > > > the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP > > > addresses can be executed through from other public or private > > > institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the corresponding > > > regulations will be issued." > > > > > > Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national > > > authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, CONATEL > > > has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. > > > Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been > > > managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management > > > immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of Article > > > 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications > > > Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately > > > suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new > > > domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of domains .HN > > > and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL." > > > > > > The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development Network) > > > http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since April > > > 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in July > > > 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN > > > (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf) which > > > explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS is > > > also a leading civil society organization that facilitates connectivity > > > to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the > > > community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, RDS is > > > being recognized as a pioneer in the region. > > > > > > The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally accepted > > > and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of the > > > stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, RDS > > > is due to its local and international community on the Internet. > > > > > > In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out CONATEL > > > is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of the > > > Pact of San José de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the relationship > > > that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is > > > based on existing contractual agreements and relationships. > > > > > > LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have > > > unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take in a > > > sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it will be > > > detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which > > > primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet > > resources. > > > > > > LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily seeks > > > to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct > > > running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail between > > > two sides in order to solve this delicate situation. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Council of LACTLD > > > Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > > ------ > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > > > > -- > NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only > for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. 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Re: [NA-Discuss] NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3
by Elaine Pruis Oct. 4, 2009

Oct. 4, 2009

I'm flabbergasted by this list of ccTLDs run from the US. Where did it come from? As the registry liaison for COCCA, council of country code administrators, (which provides EPP registry software and other services for admins at cost as a service to the cctld community) I know the following ccTLDs are run IN country by locals with the blessings of their local community and under agreement with their government: .gy .ht .ms .na .ng .ph .pr .sb The following operators under authority of their governments are run in country but have their servers outside to ensure stability as they are either post-conflict or don't have the necessary infrastructure in place (T1 line etc): .cx : satellite .gs : no infrastructure .ki : satellite .mu : by govt agreement .tl : post conflict These operators who are working toward implementing robust systems in country: .ve .eg And .ae is run in country on AusRegistry's system. Hope that clears things up. Elaine Pruis > From: na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3 > To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:59:58 -0500 > > Send NA-Discuss mailing list submissions to > na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > na-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NA-Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: LACTLD Statement (Garth Bruen at KnujOn) > 2. Re: Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum > @ NYU 10/8/09 (Joly MacFie) > 3. Re: LACTLD Statement (Eduardo Diaz) > 4. Re: LACTLD Statement (Kim Davies) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:04:03 -0700 > From: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > To: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Message-ID: > <20091003100403.4ea5342b4f0c5bb9c50429b56f1eb1a7.70ca1c2796.wbe(a)email.secureserver.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Danny, > > > There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, > some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story. > > Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by > someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites > and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the > .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and weather > for Los Angeles. > > > List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.: > > Albania (.al) > Andorra (.ad) > Antarctica (.aq) > Armenia (.am) > Azerbaijan (.az) > Bahamas (.bs) > Botswana (.bw) > Canada (.ca) > Catalonia (.cat) > Central African Republic (.cf) > Chile (.cl) > Christmas Island (.cx) > Costa Rica (.cr) > Cuba (.cu) > Cyprus (.cy) > East Timor(.tl) > Egypt (.eg) > Fiji (.fj) > Ghana (.gh) > Guinea (.gn) > Guyana (.gy) > Haiti (.ht) > Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) > Hong Kong (.hk) > Iceland (.is) > Israel (.il) > Kiribati (.ki) > Lebanon (.lb) > Lesotho (.ls) > Lesotho (.ls) > Liberia (.lr) > Liechtenstein (.li) > Malawi (.mw) > Maldives (.mv) > Mali (.ml) > Malta (.mt) > Mauritius (.mu) > Moldova (.md) > Montserrat (.ms) > Namibia (.na) > Nauru (.nr) > Nepal (.np) > Netherlands (.nl) > Nigeria (.ng) > Palestine (.ps) > Philippines (.ph) > Pitcairn Islands (.pn) > Portugal (.pt) > Puerto Rico (.pr) > Saudi Arabia (.sa) > Serbia (.rs) > Solomon Islands (.sb) > South Africa (.za) > South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) > Sri Lanka (.lk) > Swaziland (.sz) > Switzerland (.ch) > Tanzania (.tz) > Thailand (.th) > Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) > Tunisia (.tn) > Ukraine (.ua) > United Arab Emirates (.ae) > Uruguay (.uy) > Venezuela (.ve) > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > > From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > > Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am > > To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > [excerpted from the governance list] > > > > LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation > > > > To the international community > > > > By this note, we would like to inform the international community about > > the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, > > associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about this > > situation. > > > > The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must hand > > over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the > > Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that "CONATEL > > controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP > > directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to take > > the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP > > addresses can be executed through from other public or private > > institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the corresponding > > regulations will be issued." > > > > Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national > > authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, CONATEL > > has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. > > Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been > > managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management > > immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of Article > > 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications > > Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately > > suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new > > domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of domains .HN > > and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL." > > > > The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development Network) > > http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since April > > 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in July > > 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN > > (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf) which > > explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS is > > also a leading civil society organization that facilitates connectivity > > to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the > > community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, RDS is > > being recognized as a pioneer in the region. > > > > The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally accepted > > and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of the > > stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, RDS > > is due to its local and international community on the Internet. > > > > In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out CONATEL > > is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of the > > Pact of San Jos? de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the relationship > > that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is > > based on existing contractual agreements and relationships. > > > > LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have > > unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take in a > > sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it will be > > detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which > > primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet resources. > > > > LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily seeks > > to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct > > running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail between > > two sides in order to solve this delicate situation. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Council of LACTLD > > Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:27:10 -0400 > From: Joly MacFie <joly(a)punkcast.com> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - > ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09 > To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler(a)earthlink.net> > Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss > <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Message-ID: > <313b48d0910031227g316ea667p54bc150767d0159e(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > We could mention your position title at NARSAD? > > > > The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/) It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies. > > > > > Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a > particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and > editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a full time > position at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer > WebWatch. He now NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on > Schizophrenia and Depression. He is an active member of the ICANN > Community and serves on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He > has proposed the establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the > Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO). > > > > As for this paragraph: > > However some members ? of both the NCUC and At-Large ? with particular > >>axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent > >>their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with > >>them. > > > Other constituencies have come forward with the intent to participate > within the NCSG framework, independently of NCUC. > > (Thanks Evan!) > > > And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them. > > > > > On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been allotted to the NCUC and the > other 3, pending formation of new constituencies, have been filled by > appointees of the ICANN Structural Improvement Committee, > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast > WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com > http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:24:17 -0400 > From: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Message-ID: > <205e3f360910040924u42fcb8dahff7b95c0f3a54542(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Garth: > > What does it mean that the ccTLD's are completely or partly run from the > U.S? Are you referring to the hardware equipment or the actual > administration of the ccTLD business, or boths? > > In the case of Puerto Rico everything is done under the jurisdiction of the > US for our political relationship with them. > > Can you clarify the other?. Thanks. > > -ed > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com>wrote: > > > Thanks Danny, > > > > > > There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, > > some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story. > > > > Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by > > someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites > > and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the > > .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and weather > > for Los Angeles. > > > > > > List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.: > > > > Albania (.al) > > Andorra (.ad) > > Antarctica (.aq) > > Armenia (.am) > > Azerbaijan (.az) > > Bahamas (.bs) > > Botswana (.bw) > > Canada (.ca) > > Catalonia (.cat) > > Central African Republic (.cf) > > Chile (.cl) > > Christmas Island (.cx) > > Costa Rica (.cr) > > Cuba (.cu) > > Cyprus (.cy) > > East Timor(.tl) > > Egypt (.eg) > > Fiji (.fj) > > Ghana (.gh) > > Guinea (.gn) > > Guyana (.gy) > > Haiti (.ht) > > Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) > > Hong Kong (.hk) > > Iceland (.is) > > Israel (.il) > > Kiribati (.ki) > > Lebanon (.lb) > > Lesotho (.ls) > > Lesotho (.ls) > > Liberia (.lr) > > Liechtenstein (.li) > > Malawi (.mw) > > Maldives (.mv) > > Mali (.ml) > > Malta (.mt) > > Mauritius (.mu) > > Moldova (.md) > > Montserrat (.ms) > > Namibia (.na) > > Nauru (.nr) > > Nepal (.np) > > Netherlands (.nl) > > Nigeria (.ng) > > Palestine (.ps) > > Philippines (.ph) > > Pitcairn Islands (.pn) > > Portugal (.pt) > > Puerto Rico (.pr) > > Saudi Arabia (.sa) > > Serbia (.rs) > > Solomon Islands (.sb) > > South Africa (.za) > > South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) > > Sri Lanka (.lk) > > Swaziland (.sz) > > Switzerland (.ch) > > Tanzania (.tz) > > Thailand (.th) > > Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) > > Tunisia (.tn) > > Ukraine (.ua) > > United Arab Emirates (.ae) > > Uruguay (.uy) > > Venezuela (.ve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > > > From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > > > Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am > > > To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > > > [excerpted from the governance list] > > > > > > LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation > > > > > > To the international community > > > > > > By this note, we would like to inform the international community about > > > the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, > > > associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about this > > > situation. > > > > > > The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must hand > > > over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the > > > Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that "CONATEL > > > controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP > > > directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to take > > > the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP > > > addresses can be executed through from other public or private > > > institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the corresponding > > > regulations will be issued." > > > > > > Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national > > > authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, CONATEL > > > has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. > > > Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been > > > managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management > > > immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of Article > > > 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications > > > Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately > > > suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new > > > domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of domains .HN > > > and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL." > > > > > > The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development Network) > > > http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since April > > > 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in July > > > 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN > > > (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf) which > > > explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS is > > > also a leading civil society organization that facilitates connectivity > > > to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the > > > community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, RDS is > > > being recognized as a pioneer in the region. > > > > > > The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally accepted > > > and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of the > > > stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, RDS > > > is due to its local and international community on the Internet. > > > > > > In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out CONATEL > > > is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of the > > > Pact of San Jos? de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the relationship > > > that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is > > > based on existing contractual agreements and relationships. > > > > > > LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have > > > unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take in a > > > sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it will be > > > detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which > > > primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet > > resources. > > > > > > LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily seeks > > > to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct > > > running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail between > > > two sides in order to solve this delicate situation. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Council of LACTLD > > > Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > > ------ > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > > > > -- > NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only > for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If > you have received this communication by error, please notify us immediately > by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:59:57 -0700 > From: Kim Davies <kim.davies(a)icann.org> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" > <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Message-ID: <42FBEF3B-A3FD-4499-A1EE-D1D4889D9B83(a)icann.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I concur. This list is useless without some definition of what is > being included. I would be shocked if the definition is anything like > what reasonable people would consider as being run int he US.The vast > majority on this list are run wholly in their country, so I can only > imagine the criteria for being on this list as being something > substantially overreaching. Perhaps the definition of "run from the > US" is merely having one of the authoritative name servers in the USA, > or that they have accredited a registrar that is based in the USA. > > Also, FWIW, .cat is not a ccTLD, and does not represent Catalonia. > > kim > > On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: > > > Garth: > > > > What does it mean that the ccTLD's are completely or partly run from > > the > > U.S? Are you referring to the hardware equipment or the actual > > administration of the ccTLD business, or boths? > > > > In the case of Puerto Rico everything is done under the jurisdiction > > of the > > US for our political relationship with them. > > > > Can you clarify the other?. Thanks. > > > > -ed > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com > > >wrote: > > > >> Thanks Danny, > >> > >> > >> There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, > >> some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story. > >> > >> Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by > >> someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites > >> and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the > >> .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and > >> weather > >> for Los Angeles. > >> > >> > >> List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.: > >> > >> Albania (.al) > >> Andorra (.ad) > >> Antarctica (.aq) > >> Armenia (.am) > >> Azerbaijan (.az) > >> Bahamas (.bs) > >> Botswana (.bw) > >> Canada (.ca) > >> Catalonia (.cat) > >> Central African Republic (.cf) > >> Chile (.cl) > >> Christmas Island (.cx) > >> Costa Rica (.cr) > >> Cuba (.cu) > >> Cyprus (.cy) > >> East Timor(.tl) > >> Egypt (.eg) > >> Fiji (.fj) > >> Ghana (.gh) > >> Guinea (.gn) > >> Guyana (.gy) > >> Haiti (.ht) > >> Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) > >> Hong Kong (.hk) > >> Iceland (.is) > >> Israel (.il) > >> Kiribati (.ki) > >> Lebanon (.lb) > >> Lesotho (.ls) > >> Lesotho (.ls) > >> Liberia (.lr) > >> Liechtenstein (.li) > >> Malawi (.mw) > >> Maldives (.mv) > >> Mali (.ml) > >> Malta (.mt) > >> Mauritius (.mu) > >> Moldova (.md) > >> Montserrat (.ms) > >> Namibia (.na) > >> Nauru (.nr) > >> Nepal (.np) > >> Netherlands (.nl) > >> Nigeria (.ng) > >> Palestine (.ps) > >> Philippines (.ph) > >> Pitcairn Islands (.pn) > >> Portugal (.pt) > >> Puerto Rico (.pr) > >> Saudi Arabia (.sa) > >> Serbia (.rs) > >> Solomon Islands (.sb) > >> South Africa (.za) > >> South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) > >> Sri Lanka (.lk) > >> Swaziland (.sz) > >> Switzerland (.ch) > >> Tanzania (.tz) > >> Thailand (.th) > >> Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) > >> Tunisia (.tn) > >> Ukraine (.ua) > >> United Arab Emirates (.ae) > >> Uruguay (.uy) > >> Venezuela (.ve) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> -------- Original Message -------- > >>> Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement > >>> From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> > >>> Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am > >>> To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> > >>> > >>> [excerpted from the governance list] > >>> > >>> LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation > >>> > >>> To the international community > >>> > >>> By this note, we would like to inform the international community > >>> about > >>> the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, > >>> associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about > >>> this > >>> situation. > >>> > >>> The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must > >>> hand > >>> over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the > >>> Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that > >>> "CONATEL > >>> controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP > >>> directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to > >>> take > >>> the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP > >>> addresses can be executed through from other public or private > >>> institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the > >>> corresponding > >>> regulations will be issued." > >>> > >>> Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national > >>> authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, > >>> CONATEL > >>> has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. > >>> Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been > >>> managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management > >>> immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of > >>> Article > >>> 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications > >>> Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately > >>> suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new > >>> domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of > >>> domains .HN > >>> and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL." > >>> > >>> The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development > >>> Network) > >>> http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since > >>> April > >>> 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in > >>> July > >>> 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN > >>> (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf) which > >>> explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS > >>> is > >>> also a leading civil society organization that facilitates > >>> connectivity > >>> to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the > >>> community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, > >>> RDS is > >>> being recognized as a pioneer in the region. > >>> > >>> The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally > >>> accepted > >>> and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of > >>> the > >>> stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, > >>> RDS > >>> is due to its local and international community on the Internet. > >>> > >>> In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out > >>> CONATEL > >>> is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of > >>> the > >>> Pact of San Jos? de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the > >>> relationship > >>> that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is > >>> based on existing contractual agreements and relationships. > >>> > >>> LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have > >>> unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take > >>> in a > >>> sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it > >>> will be > >>> detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which > >>> primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet > >> resources. > >>> > >>> LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily > >>> seeks > >>> to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct > >>> running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail > >>> between > >>> two sides in order to solve this delicate situation. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Council of LACTLD > >>> Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------ > >>> NA-Discuss mailing list > >>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> > >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >>> > >>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > >>> ------ > >> > >> > >> ------ > >> NA-Discuss mailing list > >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >> > >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > >> ------ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail message is intended > > only > > for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named > > above. 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Re: [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09
by Beau Brendler Oct. 3, 2009

Oct. 3, 2009

A couple of minor corrections: The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/) It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies. As for this paragraph: However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular >axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent >their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with >them. I'm not entirely sure what that means. But the proposal for the consumer constituency grew out of issues related to ALAC, which, at the time, was not really set up to accomodate the interests of consumer groups. And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them. -----Original Message----- >From: Joly MacFie <joly(a)punkcast.com> >Sent: Oct 2, 2009 10:41 PM >To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09 > >*** Please feel free to email me off list with any egregious mistakes >in my description below. Joly(a)punkcast.com *** > > >Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? > >What: An ISOC-NY Forum >When: Thurs Oct 8 2009 – 6:45pm – 8:45pm >Where: Warren Weaver Hall NYU >251 Mercer St Rm 317 >New York NY 10012 >http://cs.nyu.edu/web/Location/directions.html >Who: Dr Milton Mueller; Beau Brendler; Danny Younger > >Admission free: RSVP president(a)isoc-ny.org > >On Oct 1 2009 the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers >(ICANN) entered a new era as its Joint Project Agreement (JPA) with >the US Government expired and it became a truly independent global >organization. In this forum we will examine the processes, currently >in flux, of how we the people will get to participate in this new >paradigm. > >The newly coined Articles of Commitment (AoC) state that ICANN will >“operate as a multi-stakeholder, private sector led organization with >input from the public, for whose benefit ICANN shall in all events >act.” > >Currently there are two mechanisms by which the Internet using public >are represented at ICANN. The Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC >aka NonComm) in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) and >the At-Large organization.. > >The At-Large Advisory Council was formed, with official liaison >status, as an interim measure in 2003 after the ICANN board had >dispensed with direct public elections. In 2007 with the establishment >of regional At-Large Organizations (ALO’s). the ALAC became permanent. >ALO membership is open to all individuals and organizations can apply >to become an At-Large Structure (ALS). In 2009 it was agreed that an >ICANN board seat be allotted to the At-Large. > >The GNSO Council is ICANN’s primary body responsible for policy >recommendations for generic top level domains. The board balances the >GNSO recommendations with input from the Government Advisory Committee >(GAC) and liaisons from various technical groups, plus At Large (soon >to be seated, as mentioned) plus the ICANN Ombudsman. > >Other constituencies in are, Business/Commercial, Registries, ISPs, >and Intellectual Property. The NCUC, formerly the Noncommercial Domain >Holders Constituency, has thus been, since ICANN’s inception, the sole >voice of non-commercial users on the GNSO Council. As such it has >taken to representing regular internet users’ concerns as well as >those of registrants. > >Earlier this year ICANN proposed another re-organization, replacing >the GNSO constituencies with two ‘houses’ – Contracted and >Non-contracted, each of which was further divided into two stakeholder >groups. Contracted has Registries and Registrars; Non-Contracted has >Commercial (CSG) and Noncommercial (NCSG). 12 seats on the GNSO >Council would be split thus: CSG 6; NCSG 6; Registries 3; Registrars >3. > >The former ISP, Business, and IP constituencies are to be folded into >the CSG and presumably take two seats each. > >On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been alloted to the NCUC and 3 >placeholders have been selected by the ICANN Structural Improvement >Committee. > >The NCUC has argued against the plan insisting that it will only serve >to further balkanize the GNSO process, and that practical policymaking >would be better served by ad-hoc working groups than the proposed >legislative approach. >http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/en/improvements/executive-summary-ncsg-pro… > >However some members – of both the NCUC and At-Large – with particular >axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent >their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with >them. > >The three speakers we are bringing together on Oct 8 represent widely >differing views on how it is best to proceed in the public interest. >It is sure to be a very lively and interesting discussion. > >We will webcast and there will be an opportunity for remote >participation via a chatroom. > >More info: http://isoc-ny.org/?p=886 > >Speakers: > >Dr. Milton Mueller > >Milton Mueller is a Professor and Director of the Telecommunications >Network Management Program at the Syracuse University School of >Information Studies. He is the author of ‘Ruling the Root: Internet >Governance and the Taming of Cyberspace’ (MIT Press, 2002) – the >definitive account of early Internet governance debates. Mueller was a >co-founder of the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) and was >chair of NCUC from 2003-2005. > >http://www.internetgovernance.org/people-mueller.html > >Beau Brendler: > >Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a >particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and >editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a fulltime position >at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer WebWatch . >He is an active member of the ICANN Community and serves on the >At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He has recently proposed the >establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the Generic Names >Supporting Organization (GNSO). > >Danny Younger: > >Danny Younger has been involved with ICANN since at least 2001 >including active participation on the General Assembly mailing list. >He represented ISOC-NY in the Noncommercial Users Constituency (NCUC) >from 2004-2007. He has for some time advocated for a single >Registrants constituency within the GNSO. > >More info: >ICANN Structure: http://www.icann.org/en/structure/ >NonCommercial Users Constituency: http://www.ncdnhc.org/ >At-Large Advisory Committee: http://alac.icann.org/ > > > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast >WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com >http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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FW: [ALAC-Announce] VOTE RESULTS: ALAC Election on the Board Liaison for 2009/2010
by ICANN At-Large Staff Oct. 2, 2009

Oct. 2, 2009

Dear All, Seth Reiss asked us to forward the following message on his behalf. ------ Forwarded Message From: "Seth M. Reiss" <seth.reiss(a)lex-ip.com> Reply-To: <seth.reiss(a)lex-ip.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:14:30 -0700 To: <alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Subject: RE: [ALAC-Announce] VOTE RESULTS: ALAC Election on the Board Liaison for 2009/2010 Congratulations to Vanda and thanks to all for allowing me to participate. I enjoyed the experience. Seth -----Original Message----- From: alac-announce-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ICANN At-Large Staff Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:46 PM To: alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [ALAC-Announce] VOTE RESULTS: ALAC Election on the Board Liaison for 2009/2010 Dear all, With 15 out of 15 ALAC Members having voted in the recent ALAC Board Liaison Election 2009/2010 Appointment Balloting we can confirm that the results are quorate. The balloting was anonymous. ************* ALAC Board Liaison Election 2009/2010 The question that was put was the following: "Please indicate your preference for each of the candidates for the ALAC Board Liaison for 2009/2010. Your preference is indicated by clicking on the box to the left of each name. The order of preference is from most preferred (your first click), to your lowest preference (the last clicked). You must indicate a preference for each candidate for your vote to be valid." The election result is as follows: Rank Candidate 1 Vanda Scartezini 2 Alan Greenberg 3 Sébastien Bachollet 4 Seth Reiss 5 Wendy Seltzer ************ For the full results, please consult the following URL: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=utLgGxmQLxRILzBVxiii Attached you find an explanation from one of the mathematicians at BigPulse, our online voting tool provider. It's a detailed narrative explanation on how the result came about. In addition to that, you will find a explanation of the voting method. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff at atlarge.icann.org ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] "Hello World" from ICANN
by Edward Hasbrouck Sept. 30, 2009

Sept. 30, 2009

That still leaves many questions unanswered about the process: "ICANN's New Commitment to Transparency Arrives Via Secret Process" http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=09/09/30/165214 On 30 Sep 2009 at 18:03, "Elisabeth Porteneuve" <Elisabeth Porteneuve <elisabeth.porteneuve(a)cetp.ipsl.fr>> wrote: > Rod Beckstrom made quite a long comment on the ICANN's website about > Affirmation of Commitments > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-30sep09- en.htm#resolution ---------------- Edward Hasbrouck <edward(a)hasbrouck.org> <http://hasbrouck.org> +1-415-824-0214

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US Government and ICANN
by Glenn McKnight Sept. 30, 2009

Sept. 30, 2009

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113338698 US to share Internet review amid worldwide growth by The Associated Press text sizeA <javascript:%20void();>A <javascript:%20void();>A<javascript:%20void();> NEW YORK* September 30, 2009, 11:20 am ET* As Internet use expands worldwide, the United States said Wednesday it will give other governments and the private sector a greater oversight role in an organization whose decisions affect how computers relay traffic such as e-mail and Twitter posts. The move comes after European regulators and other critics have said the U.S. government could wield too much influence over a system used by hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Those critics have complained, among other things, about the slow rollout of Internet addresses in languages other than English. However, the U.S. government stopped short Wednesday of cutting its ties completely with the Internet organization, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN. The government agreed instead to establish advisory panels made up of government and private-sector representatives around the world. The panels will review how well ICANN decisions are made openly, reflect the public interest, ensure stability and promote competition for domain names, which are the monikers ending in ".com" and other suffixes. ICANN decisions could influence what domain names are available, what languages they are in and how much they cost. "The Internet is on a long-term arch from being 100 percent American to being 100 percent global," said Rod Beckstrom, the former U.S. cybersecurity chief who joined ICANN as chief executive in July. "This is a significant step along that arch to becoming more global." The U.S. Commerce Department has a guaranteed seat on only one of those panels, with the remaining representatives to be picked by leaders from ICANN and its advisory committee of government officials. But the panels' recommendations won't be binding on ICANN. And Commerce retains oversight through a separate contract for ICANN to handle the nuts-and-bolts of domain name administration. That contract runs through 2011; the new one taking effect Thursday covers ICANN's broader role in setting guidelines and policies. ICANN also agreed to remain a nonprofit headquartered in the United States — it's based in Marina del Rey, Calif. — with offices around the world. Beckstrom said some critics abroad might take that to mean Internet governance still isn't truly global, but the arrangement should ultimately bolster ICANN's standing internationally. "The U.S. government is saying, `OK, you have become a multistakeholder body. Congratulations. Now on to the next set of challenges,'" Beckstrom said. Although the United States will be sharing oversight on these review panels, Commerce officials expect to be more active than before. In the past, the U.S. rarely exercised its veto power over ICANN decisions, and it didn't conduct the formal, public reviews envisioned by the new agreement. "In the early years we were focused on building ICANN as an institution," Lawrence E. Strickling, assistant commerce secretary for communications and information, said in an interview. "We now are about to turn our attention to focusing on ICANN's performance." ICANN has had oversight over domain names under a series of loose agreements with the U.S. government, which funded much of the Internet's development. The latest was expiring Wednesday. Many critics of ICANN and its U.S. oversight, including the European Union's Internet chief, Viviane Reding, saw the expiration as an opportunity to revamp Internet governance. Under the compromise in the new agreement, the review panels are to issue reports every three or four years. Their makeup will largely fall on ICANN's chief executive, an American; its chairman, who is from New Zealand; and the chairman of the Governmental Advisory Committee, currently a Latvian. Reding praised the new framework in a statement, and said the governments that now have more of a say in ICANN should take advantage of the opportunity. In the coming months ICANN hopes to revamp procedures for adding domain name suffixes, which likely would spawn hundreds or thousands of new Internet addresses. A launch has been delayed because of objections over such issues as whether trademark owners could wind up having to buy thousands of new domain names simply to protect their intellectual-property rights. ICANN also is close to allowing entire Internet addresses to be in languages other than English for the first time, potentially easing the way online for people who now must type English characters to reach Web sites in their tongues. ICANN officials say they've needed time to come up with ways to reduce fraud and fairly assign new suffixes in other languages. ——— On the Net: New agreement: http://bit.ly/1pbyin -- Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight Http://www.globalcatalysts.com http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com

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More information on Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve Accountability public comment period
by Edward Hasbrouck Sept. 29, 2009

Sept. 29, 2009

According to an announcement posted 28 september 2009: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-27jul09-en.htm "Update, September 25, 2009: The public comment period on this proposed bylaw change has been extended by two months, to 27 October 2009, to allow users of the translated versions to prepare and submit their views." The comment period which expired 25 September 2009 was set by the Board: http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-26jun09.htm#8 "Resolved (2009.06.26.24), that the following proposals, including the possible Bylaws amendments proposed in the "Improving Institutional Confidence: The Way Forward" report, be posted for 60 days for public comment:..." I can't find any record of a vote of the Board re-opening this comment period, or delegating authority to do so. Could you please send me the URL of the minutes recording that vote? Many thanks, Edward Hasbrouck ---------------- Edward Hasbrouck <edward(a)hasbrouck.org> <http://hasbrouck.org> +1-415-824-0214

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