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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] Report: Registrars & Steroids
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 25, 2008

July 25, 2008

Peter and all My remarks and concerns interspersed below Peters. Peter Dambier wrote: > Yes, I think it is a good idea. Let us take Microsoft offline, > because they are selling the software that was used to create > all that spam in the first place. Not all spam originates for Microsoft products, but what does, should be either fixed immediately, or yes, banned entirely. > > > And dont forget to take Boing offline too because they are selling > weapons that most likely you and me are not allowed to carry - > e.g. bomber airplanes. Only the B-52 is or was built by Boing that remains in service but no longer produced. Lockheed Martin builds the still in production "Bomber planes" that remain in production. The rest are of Russian design an manufacture. However Bomber planes are not related to Registrars or Steroids nor are they a hazard unless mis-used. > > > Cars are not safe for children. That is why we have to get rid of > them. In germany we have successfully banned autobusses from cities > because they are sending more carbon dust through their exhaust pipes > than SUVs do. Cars are only unsafe to children if being operated by children that are not capable of operating a car safely or by adults that also cannot operate a car safely. They are otherwise an enanament object and are as such in and of themselves, not unsafe or dangerous. > > > How about free speach - it is mostly four letter words anyhow. > Why bother? Well I rarely use "Four Letter" words as this Email in response can attest to. So this argument has no real relevance also accordingly. Free speech has little if anything to do with the sale online, of Steroids. Steroids if sold to anyone without a Dr.'s order, is an illegal activity. Advertising them online in an of itself is not, but selling Steroids in an unsafe and illegal manner online IS a intentionally harmful and illegal activity, and such web sites should be shut down either permanently or temporarily. In conclusion, and to a degree what I think Danny's point is, is that ICANN and DOC/NTIA are seemingly remiss in their oversight responsibilities regarding those Domains and their Registrars whom are the Registrar of record, are actively engaging in harmful and illegal activities, either directly or indirectly. Ignorance my be bliss, but it cannot be tolerated indefinitely in cases/instances such as the sale of Steroids via a Domain name' web site in an illegal manner. So either ICANN or the Registrar needs to step up if either is to meet it's legal responsibilities and/or mandate. Failing such, than when noticed by any user, he/she has a legal responsibility to report such illegal activities accordingly. Notifying ICANN, DOC/NTIA and the Registrar of record would/should also be very helpful/useful as well so as to hopefully alert law enforcement of their complicity accordingly. > > > Cheers > Peter > > Danny Younger wrote: > > [Forwarded message] > > > > Networks of steroid dealing domains are sponsored through U.S.-based > > companies who refuse to shut them down even after being notified. > > > ... > > -- > Peter and Karin Dambier > Planet Communication and Computing Facility > Rimbacher Strasse 16 > D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher > +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) > +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) > mail: peter(a)pccf.net > http://www.pccf.net/ > http://www.peter-dambier.de/ > http://iason.site.voila.fr/ > https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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ICANN Opens Public Comment Period on Czech Arbitration Court Proposed Pilot Projects
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 24, 2008

July 24, 2008

All, As an FYI: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-22jul08-en.htm ICANN Opens Public Comment Period on Czech Arbitration Court Proposed Pilot Projects 22 July 2008 ICANN has received a request from the Czech Arbitration Court (CAC) to run two pilot projects related to its implementation of UDRP. Background to Posting CAC was approved as a UDRP provider at the Board meeting on 23 January 2008. CAC wishes to run tests of the following two UDRP-related services as part of its implementation of UDRP: A. Simplified way of sending signed hardcopies of Complaints and/or Responses to the Provider (Par. 3(b), Par. 5(b)) of the UDRP Rules. This pilot project aims at exploring and testing the legal and practical implications of a service that would enable parties to submit hardcopies of the complaints/responses in a simplified way. B. Service of delivery of signed hard copies. This pilot project seeks to explore and test the legal and practical implications of a new service related to e-UDRP consisting of the printing and delivering of signed electronic documents. ICANN has at the request of CAC agreed to post for public comment the description of the pilot projects for a period of thirty days (30), along with a report on the pilot project by professor Chris Reed, a recognized international authority on technology law and electronic commerce law . Those wishing to comment are encouraged to do so and to make their comments not later than 21 August 2008. Comments may be submitted by email to cac-pilot(a)icann.org and may be viewed at http://forum.icann.org/lists/cac-pilot. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Nominees and Volunteers Needed
by Thompson, Darlene July 22, 2008

July 22, 2008

Hi all, As you know, the positions of Chair and Secretariat need to be voted on. Evan and I are still willing. If anybody else is willing, please nominate (or self nominate) or volunteer on or before midnight, Honolulu time, August 1, 2008. If anybody else steps forward, then we will continue to a vote on Big Pulse. Thank you, D ᑕᓕᓐ ᑕᒻᓴᓐ ᓄᓇᓕᖕᓂ ᖃᕆᓴᐅᔭᕐᕕᒋᔭᐅᔪᓐᓇᕐᑐᓄᑦ ᑎᑎᕋᖅᑎ ᑮᓇᐅᔭᓕᕆᓂᕐᒧᑦ ᐊᐅᓚᑦᑎᔨᒃᑯᑦ ᐱᔨᑦᑎᕋᖅᕕᖓᑦ ᐃᓕᓐᓂᐊᕐᓂᓕᕆᔨᒃᑯᑦ ᓄᓇᕗᑦ ᒐᕙᒪᖓᑦ ᑎᑎᖅᑲᓂᐊᕐᕕᖓ 1000, ᐊᓪᓚᕝᕕᖓ 910 ᐃᖃᓗᐃᑦ, ᓄᓇᕗᑦ dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ᐅᖄᓚᐅᑎ: 867 975-5631 ᓱᑲᑦᑐᒃᑰᕈᑎ: 867 975-5610 Taliin Taamsan Nunalingni Qaritauyani Atuqtauningitnun Titiraqtia Nunavut Kavamangat Titiraqarvia 1000, Nayugaa 910 Iqaluit, Nunavut dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Hivayautik : 867 975-5631 Kayumiktuk : 867 975-5610 Darlene Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Corporate Services Division Department of Education Government of Nunavut PO Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, Nunavut, X0A 0H0 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Ph: 867 975-5631 Fax: 867 975-5610 Darlene Thompson Administratrice du programme d’accès communautaire Division des services ministériels Ministère de l’Éducation Gouvernement du Nunavut Case postale 1000, Succursale 910 Iqaluit Nunavut, X0A 0H0 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca Tél. : 867 975-5631 Téléc. : 867 975-5610

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Net Censorship Law Struck Down Again
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 22, 2008

July 22, 2008

All, See: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/net-censorship.html I must say I am very disappointed in this decision as well, by the third circuit. However it seems that two fundamental problems one with COPA and this case are at the root of the government failing. 1.) COPA is defines too broadly it's provisions, and 2.) The DOJ didn't present it's case very well again. FWIW, if I were calling the shot on this case and COPA at DOJ I would have a woman lawyer whom has small children be the lead atty. on this case in the appeal. Additionally Justice should be taking a direction in seeking to amend COPA or revise it, as it seems the Third Circuit is suggesting See:http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/copa_third.PDF . Working with Congress in either revising or amending COPA to focus explicitly on what is specifically desired in this statute that is actually "Doable" and Constitutionally expectable IMHO would be advisable. After all children's safety are at stake here. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] Report: Registrars & Steroids
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 22, 2008

July 22, 2008

Elliot and all, If Registrars and Registries are not going to police their registrants, and ICANN is not going to enforce it's own rules, and LOCAL law enforcement is ill equipped to handle the task of errant registrants, than whom is going to do the enforcement, santa claus? Or maybe mickey mouse, eh? The ultimate authority here is that DCO/NTIA is whom needs to either take the situation in hand or the courts will eventually. Problem with the courts doing so is that of a jurisdictional consideration. Therefore it would seem that perhaps DOC/NTIA needs to submit legislation that would be used to address this ongoing and growing problem in a thoughtful but effective manner. This would mean though that DOC/NTIA would remain in control of ICANN forever which would not suite the europeans and other countries sensitivities and profound anti-American attitude abroad. Needless to say this problem will get even worse as new gTLD's and IDN gTLD's are added as per the ICANN decision recently taken in Paris last month. So what is a viable and workable solution? One thing for sure is that we don't want anyone from Tucows or Godaddy calling the tune for everyone, and likely registrants with either may be a bit concerned in same making these judgments for their DN's. If so, than maybe they can transfer their DN's to a more Registrant "Friendly" Registrar? A novel idea? Hardly! Should we wait until Obama is elected president and his promise of appointing a Internet czar make these calls? Maybe, maybe not, as I am sure whomever that czar was, and god forbid if it was Vint Cerf, an likely candidate, than perhaps a lottery of submitted names with a random name selection program doing the selection. After all ICANN, DOC/NTIA, and most other nations support various lotteries of different sorts. Yeah, Charlie Manson or Terry Childs might just win, who knows, but at least it would have been a completely random process and no bias could be claimed legitimately. Yet I can see political games being played with this suggestion or idea as well. A conundrum? Perhaps. My own solution only: Get the Independent registrants constituency up and running and let them by blind lot elect a DN abusive name czar and let him or her serve for a 18 month term making these judgment calls under some strict rules developed ONLY by the Independent Registrant constituency. Any appeals to this czar's decision would of course be eligible for legal appeal in a court of proper and most importantly "Competent" jurisdiction's court of appeals, or non-US equivalent. The problem with such appeals is finding a "Competant" judge in any jurisdiction in said court of appeals or non-US equivalent. It's either something very similar to my solution, or the IPC will essentially be making the judgment calls on this as they have the GNSO council in their back pocket... elliot noss wrote: > oops. link here: > http://www.theregiter.co.uk/2008/07/21/registrars_cater_to_steroids_sellers… > On 22-Jul-08, at 6:48 AM, Danny Younger wrote: > >> >> [Forwarded message] Networks of steroid dealing domains are sponsored through U.S.-based companies who refuse to shut them down even after being notified. LegitScript.com and Knujon.com have worked together to develop a report concerning extensive steroid distribution networks online. Steroids designated by the Department of Justice as Schedule 3 Substances were found at the 156 web domains listed in this report. The easy availability of illicit substances through these domains is shocking. Even more shocking is the lack of cooperation from the Registrars that sponsor these sites. On July 1 we issued joint letters to eight registrars: Abacus America, DSTR Acquisition VII, Dynadot.com, Everyones Internet, eNom Inc, EstDomains Inc, GoDaddy/Wild West, and Parava Networks Inc. In these letters we listed the websites, described the banned substances offered at each, and detailed how these sites were violating Internet policy, the Registrars own terms of service, and the law. Only three Registrars responded, two declining to cooperate, one stating they would look into it after several strong emails. A letter to one Registrar, Parava Networks Inc, was returned by the Postal Service as undeliverable, calling into question the general legitimacy of this particular company. While no one is accusing any of these Registrars of being actively involved in the illicit distribution, it is a simple fact that none of these sites would exist without the sponsorship of these Internet companies. Some Registrars may feel their first obligation is to their customers, but their real primary obligations are to the law and the stability of the Internet registration system. Everyone who registers an Internet domain is required to affirm that they are not registering the domain name for an unlawful purpose and the Registrar is required to ensure that this policy is enforced. For too long there has been a false perception that the Internet is lawless, but it isnt. The rules are just not enforced and the stakeholders have been unaccountable. Knujon and LegitScript feel that these Registrars also have a moral and ethical responsibility to the public since the sale and distribution of these illicit substances poses a grave health risk. These websites purport to offer steroids to anyone without prescription or age verification. It is our hope that in releasing this information public awareness of the problem will increase. The full Steroid Report is available here: http://legitscript.com/Steroid%20Report.pdf The press release is here: http://legitscript.com/newsitems/show/10 A list of the Registrars, web domains in question, the substances offered at each, and samples of the site content can be viewed here: http://www.knujon.com/schedule3/dir.html For more information, please contact: John Horton 877-534-4879 LegitScript.com Or Dr. Robert Bruen +1.802.579.6288 http://coldrain.net http://knujon.com Garth Bruen gbruen(a)knujon.com >> Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [governance] Much-maligned feature being added to IPv6
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 22, 2008

July 22, 2008

Phil and all, Already read it, but thanks anyway. And yes it was quite interesting. Phil Regnauld wrote: > Jeffrey A. Williams (jwkckid1) writes: > > > > Frankly I personally view this as a very positive step for IPv6. > > Breaches a ideological > > technical divide that has existed for nearly a decade, which is a good > > first step > > in gaining more acceptance for IPv6. The downside is that LEA's won't > > like it very much for obvious reasons. > > Read Alain Durand's proposal for a very interesting solution on the > transition for large broadband providers: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-durand-dual-stack-lite-00 > > (it is cited in the article and is by far more interesting than > the whole NAT or no NAT discussion). > > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Much-maligned feature being added to IPv6
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 21, 2008

July 21, 2008

All, See: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072108-ipv6nat.html?netht=ts_072108&n… Frankly I personally view this as a very positive step for IPv6. Breaches a ideological technical divide that has existed for nearly a decade, which is a good first step in gaining more acceptance for IPv6. The downside is that LEA's won't like it very much for obvious reasons. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Canadian ISP Hijacking DNS Lookup Errors
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 19, 2008

July 19, 2008

All, Now isn't this a fine how do you do, eh? Seems our good friends in Canada are not being friendly. >:( Seems also to me anyway that the SSAC should be scolding these folks for their errant ways... See: http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc Freshly Exhumed tips us to news that Canadian ISP Rogers Cable appears to be http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2689/206/ redirecting invalid DNS requests to their own search and advertising page. Roadrunner got caught doing the same thing http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/26/1741253&tid=95 earlier this year. According to the article, "The hijacking appears to be an attempt by Rogers to use its Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) technology to cash in on the mistakes of its users." Freshly Exhumed also reminds us, "As IOActive security researcher Dan Kaminsky has http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/isps-error-page.html warned in the past, this presents a very serious security problem." Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] Re: Potential Danger Ahead for Registrants -- dot-info Abusive Domain Use Policy
by Jeffrey A. Williams July 18, 2008

July 18, 2008

George and all, Thanks for the update. I am sure no one is all that surprised. As usual openess and transparency as well as of course accountability has never been, nor is ever likely to be a strong suit of ICANN. Whatever appeal process is avaliable should be started soon. I doubt that Mr. Dierker, our often absent leader, will be interested in pursuing such even if the GA members are so interested. Ergo, it seems likely that other constituencies will need to get busy. Without a Registrants constituency, which has been long called for and is under some consideration by the GNSO review presently, is of course too late now to make such an appeal. Of course that was all part of the plan sense 1999. George Kirikos wrote: > Hello, > > Just to followup, it appears ICANN has approved the Afilias policy, > without even a formal public comment period: > > http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/jones-to-afilias-18jul08.pdf > > I think this might require a reconsideration request or some other > action to appeal. > > Sincerely, > > George Kirikos > http://www.kirikos.com/ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Post-Paris Review
by Evan Leibovitch July 17, 2008

July 17, 2008

JFC Morfin wrote: > At 17:37 16/07/2008, Ross Rader wrote: >> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> > The apparent staff obsession to fund constituencies that don't >> need the >> > subsidy, at the expense of those who do, is what I consider >> worrisome. >> >> I don't see this as a staff push. My slightly uninvolved view is that >> this emanates mostly from the GNSO Council where constituency interests >> contend that their work is so important that they absolutely must have >> travel funding. Perhaps Alan could shed some better light on the issue, >> as I've not been directly involved in the Council for the better part of >> a year. > > May be a stupid question, but what has GNSO to do with ALAC? > 90% of the ALAC concerns are out of the GNSO scope. I think his point is that the constituencies that make up GNSO -- most of which already have financial motivations to be involved -- are whining that they want a piece of the travel pie. After all, if RALO chairs and secretariats qualify for funding, certainly the International Chamber of Commerce deserves funding too; it's only fair. Or so the story goes. - Evan

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