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回复： RE: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by joe.zhang April 17, 2015

April 17, 2015

That will be helpful. 发送自我的三星设备 -------- 原始邮件 -------- 发件人： Jonathan Shea <jonathan.shea(a)hkirc.hk> 日期: 2015-04-17 11:45 (GMT+08:00) 收件人：齐超 <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, JOEZHANG43 <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, Joe Zhang <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, yanzhiwei <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, wangwei <wangwei(a)cnic.cn> 抄送： ChineseGP(a)icann.org, Bonnie Chun <bonnie.chun(a)hkirc.hk> 主题： RE: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师, 王伟，齐超, 這197個字其中有部份HKIRC已做了variant考查，並包括在早前HKIRC向CDNC申請加入CDNC字表的65個「香港增補字庫」的中文字。如果你們覺得合適的話，我會儘快提供有關資料。 Regards, Jonathan Shea From: chinesegp-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 10:31 AM To: JOEZHANG43; Joe Zhang; yanzhiwei; wangwei Cc: ChineseGP(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [ChineseGP] latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? 张老师，王伟，根据昨天王伟发出的最终字表，查询CDNC中已有的variant定义，形成了一个MSS最小化的字表variant。 MSS中有 12334 个字在 CDNC中，剩下的197个（12534 - 12334）个还没有variant定义，如下（也可以在excel中筛选出）。这些字不知道张老师有没有现成的variant集？如果 case by case 确认的还是很费时的。 Unicode Hanzi 34E4 㓤 3577 㕷 35A1 㖡 35AD 㖭 35BF 㖿 35CE 㗎 35F3 㗳 35FE 㗾 3960 㥠 39F8 㧸 39FE 㧾 3A18 㨘 3A52 㩒 3A67 㩧 3B39 㬹 3DE7 㷧 3DEB 㷫 3E74 㹴 3ED0 㻐 4065 䁥 406A 䁪 40BB 䂻 40DF 䃟 4137 䄷 44EA 䓪 4606 䘆 47F4 䟴 48B5 䢵 48BC 䢼 48C5 䣅 48D3 䣓 49D1 䧑 4A12 䨒 4AB8 䪸 4C7D 䱽 4C81 䲁 4C85 䲅 4CB3 䲳 4D08 䴈 4E55 乕 4EEE 仮 4FAD 侭 51B4 冴 51E6 処 5227 刧 524F 剏 5271 剱 5368 卨 5605 嘅 5689 嚉 56A2 嚢 576E 坮 57DE 埞 5817 堗 5841 塁 58CC 壌 5BFE 対 5C02 専 5CC0 峀 5D5C 嵜 5E3F 帿 5F10 弐 6060 恠 60A9 悩 60E3 惣 61F4 懴 62A6 抦 6335 挵 633F 挿 637F 捿 63BB 掻 6442 摂 656D 敭 65FF 旿 663B 昻 663F 昿 6667 晧 66FD 曽 681E 栞 685C 桜 685F 桟 68C5 棅 6A53 橓 6AAA 檪 6C17 気 6D9C 涜 6E13 渓 6E7A 湺 6E8C 溌 6EDD 滝 701E 瀞 7114 焔 713C 焼 7155 煕 7200 爀 72A0 犠 731F 猟 732F 猯 734F 獏 7363 獣 73E1 珡 73E4 珤 7460 瑠 74A2 璢 74C8 瓈 750E 甎 7534 甴 754A 畊 7573 畳 757A 畺 758E 疎 75E9 痩 764E 癎 767A 発 76CC 盌 7807 砇 783F 砿 784F 硏 7A36 稶 7A4F 穏 7A63 穣 7AC3 竃 7AD7 竗 7ADA 竚 7B6F 筯 7B86 箆 7B92 箒 7C14 簔 7C4F 籏 7C83 粃 7D9A 続 7DDC 緜 7E4A 繊 7E4B 繋 8117 脗 8133 脳 81D3 臓 8217 舗 8262 艢 839F 莟 83B5 莵 8420 萠 84DA 蓚 8597 薗 86CD 蛍 874B 蝋 877F 蝿 88B5 袵 894D 襍 89A9 覩 8A33 訳 8AAD 読 8B0C 謌 8B72 譲 8E99 躙 8EE2 転 8F0C 輌 8F19 輙 8F27 輧 8FBA 辺 9039 逹 9197 醗 91A4 醤 91B8 醸 91C8 釈 9244 鉄 9271 鉱 932C 錬 9421 鐡 945A 鑚 9665 陥 967A 険 96B2 隲 974D 靍 9771 靱 982C 頬 984B 顋 98C7 飇 98E1 飡 98EE 飮 994D 饍 99C5 駅 9A12 騒 9A13 験 9A28 騨 9C04 鰄 9C2E 鰮 9C76 鱶 9D0E 鴎 9D2C 鴬 9D44 鵄 9D8F 鶏 9DC0 鷀 9E78 鹸 9EB9 麹 9EBA 麺 9F62 齢齐超 via foxmail 发件人：王伟发送时间： 2015年4月16日(星期四) 下午11:38 收件人： KIM Kyongsok 抄送： hotta(a)jprs.co.jp; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; ; Zhiwei Yan; KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; 신상현 主题： Re: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear All After the discussion in today‘s CGP meeting, Prof. ZHANG and Mr. QI Chao has produced a Minimum Shared Set (MSS) for C, J and K. The MSS is consisted of the following code point subset: A: IICore Base (9810, all fall in MSR) B: Historically Registered Hanzi under .CN/TW/HK (7000/5292/4191, all fall in MSR) C: PRC National Normalized Hanzi along with their traditional variants (8105/3489, some out of MSR) MSS=A+B+C-D-E D: code points in C, but not in MSR E: Stroke or Radicals (31) LIDU?(5) Out of BMP(62) finally, we got 12531 valid code points aggregate a Minimum Shared Set, based on which C, J and K could define their own variants, or adopt others variants. After all three GPs finish the variants generation and coordinaiton on MSS, each GP still has the chance to add independent code points (with no variants) into MSS seperately, to from its own final repertoire. STEP1: MSS generated and accepted by three GPs, a mininum code points set shared by all of us. STEP2: variants generated and coordinated based on MSS STEP3: Add each GP's own independent and unrelated code points, form the final formal repertoire. Does this process work for you? please feel free to give your comments. Regards WANG Wei PS: special thanks for the hardwork of Mr. QI Chao -----原始邮件----- 发件人: "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> 发送时间: 2015年4月16日星期四收件人: "hotta(a)jprs.co.jp" <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> 抄送: "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnic.cn>, "Dongman Lee" <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr>, "Joe Zhang" <joezhang43(a)hotmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "Kenny Huang" <huangksh(a)gmail.com>, Yuri <takamatsu(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp>, "Zhang Zhoucai" <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn>, "<qichao(a)cnnic.cn>" <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>, "Zhiwei Yan" <yanzhiwei(a)cnnic.cn>, "KoreanGP(a)icann.org" <KoreanGP(a)icann.org>, "ChineseGP(a)icann.org" <ChineseGP(a)icann.org>, "JapaneseGP(a)icann.org" <JapaneseGP(a)icann.org>, "? ??" <mjkim(a)kisa.or.kr>, "조성덕" <isanjo(a)empas.com>, "신상현" <partizan21(a)naver.com>, "KIM Kyongsok" <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> 主题: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? Dear everybody: KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables. Thanks very much in advance. -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by KIM Kyongsok April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Zhang Zhoucai <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > Dear Mr. Zhang: Thanks for your message. Let me say this way. I did not mean to discuss variant tables now. KLGP just would like to see CGP and JGP variant tables in preparing KLGP's variant table. Thanks very much. KIM, K. I strongly suggest that we’d better finish and fix the REPERTOIRE first for > the time being, then, go to the variant table. > > The CGP Repertoire seems ready soon …. > > FYI. > > > > Zhang > > > > *发件人:* KIM Kyongsok [mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com] > *发送时间:* 2015年4月16日 19:47 > *收件人:* hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > *抄送:* Wang Wei; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; > Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; > KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; > 신상현; KIM Kyongsok > *主题:* latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? > > > > Dear everybody: > > > > KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. > > > > I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP > variant tables. > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > -- > > 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok > -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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Thursday meeting on 16th April
by 王伟 April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

Dear All I'd like to hold CGP meeting 3PM~4PM Thursday With the help from Mr. QI Chao, we have generated two different repertoire, the original CDNC table (18000+ code points), and a reduced smaller one (13000+ code points) However, compared with JPRS table, the TWO overlapping sets are quite similar. We really need to discuss pros and cons of two different table, and which one should be adopted. Mr. QI, please send out the two EXCEL files of code points to everyone. Thank you! Regards Wang Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 15, 2015

April 15, 2015

Dear professors, Thank you for your response. Dear all, It's usually not easy (almost imporrisible) for all the important people to gather together. It seems the below are the possible options where at least one important person from KGP can join. Option-a 1 day on 29/April Prof. Lee OK Option-b 1.5 days during 15/May-17/May Prof. Kim OK After hearing from CGP, let's see how we can arrange the dates. Regards, Hiro On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:09:20 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > Hmm.. I'm sorry to say that I'll be in the USA for a business trip. So the 1st option only works for me. April 29th works best for me. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > 2015-04-10 ?? 12:25? KIM Kyongsok ?(?) ? ?: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM, HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > It seems difficult for us to move without specific > > proposal on the date/time and venue. > > Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. > > > > date/time > > 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April > > 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May > > > > > > For me, > > > > 1st option is not good: I have a meeting and a class. > > 2nd option seems good although it includes a weekend. > > > > Thanks. > > > > KIM, K. > > > > > > venue > > Seoul > > > > Either of the above options works for 3 JGP > > representatives. > > > > I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either > > of the above options. > > Looking forward to your response. > > > > Regards, > > Hiro > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 > > Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>> wrote: > > > Hiro, > > > > > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before > > the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion > > of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dongman > > > > > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > > > > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> ??: > > > > > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may > > be better > > > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > Hiro > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > > > >> > > > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > > > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > > > >> > > > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > > > >> the gathering. > > > >> > > > >> <report from the gathering> > > > >> > > > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > > > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > > > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > > > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > > > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > > > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > > > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > > > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > > > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > > > >> proposal with some small improvements. > > > >> > > > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > > > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > > > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > > > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > > > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > > > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > > > >> and from script community perspective. > > > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > > > >> > > > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > > > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > > > >> > > > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > > > >> > > > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > > > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > > > >> - before mid May at the latest. > > > >> > > > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from > > CGP/JGP/KGP? > > > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ? ?? KIM, Kyongsok > > > -- Dongman Lee, PhD > Head, Graduate School of Culture Technology > Professor, Department of Computer Science > KAIST > 291 Daehak-ro, Yuseong-gu > Daejon 305-701 > KOREA > > E-mail: dlee(a)kaist.ac.kr > Web: http://cds.kaist.ac.kr/cdsn/DongmanLee > Tel: +82-42-350-2901/3559 > HP: +82-10-3412-1387 >

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Thursday meeting on 16th April
by Sarmad Hussain April 14, 2015

April 14, 2015

Chinese GP meeting on Thursday 16 April @ 3pm Beijing Time (0700 UTC). Agenda: See email by Wang Wei below. Adobe Connect �C IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: List of International Dial In Numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 4054049491 _____________________________________________ From: ��ΰ [mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:07 PM To: ChineseGP(a)icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> Cc: Sarmad Hussain Subject: Thursday meeting on 16th April Dear All I'd like to hold CGP meeting 3PM~4PM Thursday With the help from Mr. QI Chao, we have generated two different repertoire, the original CDNC table (18000+ code points), and a reduced smaller one (13000+ code points) However, compared with JPRS table, the TWO overlapping sets are quite similar. We really need to discuss pros<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=pros&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn> and<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=and&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn> cons<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=cons&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn>! of two different table, and which one should be adopted. Mr. QI, please send out the two EXCEL files of code points to everyone. Thank you! Regards Wang Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 10, 2015

April 10, 2015

Dear all, It seems difficult for us to move without specific proposal on the date/time and venue. Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. date/time 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May venue Seoul Either of the above options works for 3 JGP representatives. I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either of the above options. Looking forward to your response. Regards, Hiro On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > Hiro, > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> ??: > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > discussion. > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may be better > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > Hiro > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> wrote: > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > >> > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > >> > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > >> the gathering. > >> > >> <report from the gathering> > >> > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > >> proposal with some small improvements. > >> > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > >> and from script community perspective. > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > >> > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > >> > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > >> > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > >> - before mid May at the latest. > >> > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from CGP/JGP/KGP? > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > >

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informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 2, 2015

April 2, 2015

Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering on March 22 in Dallas happened. Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of the gathering. <report from the gathering> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's proposal with some small improvements. Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective and from script community perspective. - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April - before mid May at the latest. May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from CGP/JGP/KGP? Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. Regards, Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair

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