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[agenda] CJK+IP meeting at 9:00UTC on Thursday 10 March 2016
by HiroHOTTA March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

10 Mar 2016 Proposed by Hiro [agenda] CJK coordination meeting on 10 Mar 2016 date/time March 10 2016 <part1> with IP 09:00-10:15 <part2> without IP 10:30-11:45 place Amandier room remote participation (to be confirmed) https://icann.adobeconnect.com/lgr/ participants (assumed to be) CGP on site : Chris Dillon remote : Wang Wei, Kenny Huang, Declan MA, Jiankang YAO JGP on site : Hiro Hotta, Yuri Takamatsu remote : Yoshiro Yoneya KGP on site : KIM Kyongsok, Eung-jun Jeon advisor : Edmon Chung IP on site : Michel Suignard, Marc Blanchet ICANN : Sarmad Hussain agenda <part1> 1. rationale of "the number of allocatable lables should be small" rationale is hoped to be described in writing - why small? - how small? - aspect of reduction + reduction of characters? + reduction of variant characters? + reduction of variant labels by WLE? + : 2. complement process for LGR what kind of process can be incorporated into the whole application evaluation process - JGP will give some hints regarding complement process for LGR 3. AOB <part2> 1. action items review 2. discussion between C/J/K - especially about the unacceptable variants stated by KGP 3. preparation for Beijing meeting Hiro ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @@ action Item List [ICANN Dublin + Marrakech] as of 6/Mar/2016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ D : from Dublin CJK meetings M : from Marrakech meetings D1. CGP will check and share the ratio of the labels which contain both traditional character and simplified character in .CN (and .TW) registration data to C and K. ==> done (Wang Wei provided the result to the mailing list) D3. Yoneya will re-write the name of the title from "Algorithm" to "Procedure" and add some explanation (especially regarding 'review') to the "Algorithm" (now "Procedure") document before Beijing Meeting. D4. Each of CJK GPswill share their own repertoire and variants in both XML and excel format. If GP doesn't have them in both formats, send them only in the existing format. D5. CJK will check and confirm the template of Root LGR proposal and ask for IP's advice if necessary step1: Yoneya will send the edited template to CJK mailing lists which includes differentiation mark <common> for CJK and <individual> for each GP step2: CJK will check the drafted template and confirm step3: ask for IP's advice if necessary D6. CGP will investigate and share the maximum number of labels that are variant of each other in .CN (and .TW) to CJK ML. ==> done (Wang Wei provided the result to the mailing list) D7. CGP and KGP will devise a joint statement and then KGP will consider whether to make a joint statement with C and J in KGP LGR proposal D10. Yoneya will draft a temporary schedule for each step of CJK integration procedure and send it to Kenny for his check. After that. Yoneya and Kenny will share it with CJK mailing lists to solicit their opinions about the schedule M1. Wang Wei will send first draft agenda of Beijing Meeting ==> done (Wang Wei provided a draft to the mailing list) M2. Edmon will provide to CGP/JGP/KGP an analysis document regarding possible scenarios for import and export of variants among 3 GPs before Beijing Meeting. (about 8-10 slides) [Edmon] M3. Hiro will send the confirmed time schedle of Beijing Meeting to the whole CJK GP's. date: 3/20 10:00-17:00 or 18:00 3/21 9:00-17:00 or 18:00 participant: (to be confirmed) CGP Wang Wei, Declan Ma, Jiangkan Yao, Chris (remotely) JGP Hiro, Yoneya, Yuri, (maemura; TBD) KGP Prof.Kim, KISA, Hanja professional M4. Hiro will check the environment of CJK Coordination Meeting planned on 10th March to Sarmad. + availability of Adobe connect + participation of IP + start time (9:00-10:15 or 10:30-11:45) ==> done (shown at the top of this mail) M5. Each of CJK GPs will consider whether each GP has other issues to be discussed other than coordination of variant definition among GPs. If there's some issues, share them to CJK mailing list by 9th March. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[details] CJK Coordination Beijing meeting
by HiroHOTTA March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Dear CJK colleagues, As a result of the Sunday 6 March meeting in Marrakech, some details were confirmed date: 3/20 10:00-17:00 or 18:00 3/21 9:00-17:00 or 18:00 participants: (to be confirmed) CGP Wangwei, Declan Ma, Jiangkan Yao, Chris Dillon(remotely) JGP Hiro, Yoneya, Yuri, (Maemura; TBD) KGP Prof.Kim, KISA, Hanja professional Venue and hotel information was already sent to each GP Chair and some participants by YANG Lijuan on 26 February. Hiro On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:01:37 +0900 KIM Kyongsok <gimgs0(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:30 PM, 王? <wangwei(a)knet.cn> wrote: > > Dear Hotta San, Prof. Kim, and everyone > > > > Thank You for the valuable suggestions. > > > > We acknowledge that currently there is dissent about hundreds of > > variant character between C and K. > > Since its inception, CJK has been meeting a kind of disagreement on > > technical stuff and way we move forward. Granted, big progress has been yet > > made fortunately because we did all this together with three GPs engaged. At > > this juncture, I am therefore expecting the coming CJK face-to-face meeting, > > as conducted as the CJK Seoul meeting last spring. > > I'll be asking Prof. Kim provide more detailed semantic information > > and analysis about those "unacceptable variant group" before the meeting, to > > learn the reasoning held by KGP. > > I and other experts are preparing a draft for this issue. > KLGP will review the draft on Thu., March 17. > > > CGP would then consider making necessary compromise to reach a > > common variant setting in this meeting. > > > > I reported this situation to CDNC chairs at the weekend, and CDNC > > suggests us to move the meeting to 17th~18th March, Hainan Island, together > > with CDNC annual meeting. > > Thanks for your suggestion. > This is my personal opinion. > > There are two reasons that Mar. 17-18 is not good for me. > > 1) As mentioned above, March 17 is not good for me > since KLGP will review the draft. > > 2) I need to get a visa to China. > Since I will return from Marrakech on Sat., Mar 12, > it is too tight for me to get a visa. > > > > Prof. Tseng（曾?雄）, Prof. QIAN（??林）, Kenny HUANG, Joe ZHANG, > > HSU Nai-wen (TWNIC), KONG Ning(CNNIC), Edmon CHUNG(dotAsia), Bonnie(HKIRC), > > Ryan (SGNIC) will join the session. > > So I wonder if 17th ~19th is a better option for you guys. > > Personally, I prefer to have a meeting on Fri and Sat > (so that I can travel on Thu and Sun.). > This way, I don't have to skip my lecture. > > (I need to skip my lecture one week due to ICANN 55. > If I skip the lecture one more week due to CJK, > the result is that I skip two weeks for Mach.... sigh) > > I wonder if it is possible to have a meeting > one or two weeks later. > This is my personal opinion. > > Thanks. > > KIM, K. > > > > > > > I am sorry for the late update and change. It might disrupt your > > plans. > > If the new time doesn’t work for you, we still could have > > 20th-21st. we will discuss the coordination principles in CDNC meeting > > first, and bring the conclusion to CJK meeting. Also, all china mainland > > experts will present the meeting in Beijing. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your reply. > > > > > > Regards > > Wang Wei > > > > > > -----?件原件----- > > ?件人: hotta(a)jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] > > ?送??: 2016年2月28日 17:02 > > 收件人: yanglijuan <yanglijuan(a)knet.cn> > > 抄送: gimgs0(a)gmail.com; dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr; yoshiro.yoneya(a)jprs.co.jp; > > 'Yuri TAKAMATSU' <takamatsu(a)jprs.co.jp>; wangwei <wangwei(a)knet.cn>; Declan > > Ma <madi(a)knet.cn> > > 主?: Re: CJK Coordination Meeting Overview & Hotel Recommendation > > > > Dear YANG Lijuan, all, > > > > Thank you for invitation. JGP members will join the meeting if it's > > considered to be worthwhile. > > > > As far as I understand, the main breakthrough in making a progress of CJK > > coordination is the agreement between CGP and KGP. > > JGP is willing to help the process of the agreement if the March Beijing > > meeting will be with fully-considered agenda and attended by forward-looking > > participants who can decide CGP and KGP's position in every stage of the > > discussion. > > > > I'd like to know the detailed agenda and participants first before deciding > > to join the meeting. I look forward to the agenda crafted by CGP and KGP as > > soon as possible. > > > > Regards, > > Hiro > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 15:46:01 +0800 > > "yanglijuan" <yanglijuan(a)knet.cn> wrote: > >> Dear All, > >> > >> > >> > >> I am Yang Lijuan, coordinator for the coming CJK Coordination Meeting > >> to be held in Beijing, China this March. If you need any help, like > >> invitation letter for Chinese VISA application, please feel free to > > contact me. > >> Attached here is a draft version of CJK Coordination Meeting Overview > >> (detailed information of meeting room and date/time will be updated > >> later) and Hotel Recommendation for your reference. > >> > >> > >> > >> If any other members from JGP/KGP would be interested in this meeting, > >> please help to forward this letter to them. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks & Regards, > >> > >> > >> > >> YANG Lijuan > >> > >> Labs Secretary > >> > >> > >> KNET > >> Mobile: 131 2688 2613 > >> Add: No.4, South 4th Street, ZhongGuanCun, Haidian District, Beijing > >> 100190, China Post Code: 100190 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > ? ?? KIM, Kyongsok >

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agenda of CJK meeting on Sunday 6 March 2016
by HiroHOTTA March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

6 Mar 2016 Proposed by Hiro [agenda] CJK coordination meeting on 6 Mar 2016 date/time March 6 2016 15:30-16:40 place Emeraude (with remote participation) participants (as of Saturday) CGP on site : Chris Dillon remote : Wang Wei, Kenny Huang, Declan MA, Jiankang YAO JGP on site : Hiro Hotta, Yuri Takamatsu remote : Yoshiro Yoneya KGP on site : KIM Kyongsok advisor : Edmon Chung agenda 1. each GP Updates CGP oral JGP oral KGP oral 2. Clarification of issues to be discussed in Marrakech 2.1 issues to be discussed in Marrakech - does each GP have something to talk with IP/ICANN? + if so, when the talk will be scheduled / with whom 2.2 logistics of Beijing Meeting - agenda setting - chair etc. 3. AOB Hiro

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CJK meeting on Thursday 0900- @ Amandier
by HiroHOTTA March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Dear CJK Colleagues, We will meet each other and IP tomoroow (Thursday) 09:00UTC. Let's meet at Amandier room or remotely in 18 hours. Hiro

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LGR workshop
by Alireza Saleh March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Hi, The LGR workshop has been started. For remote participation please visit: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/rak55-ametyste <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/rak55-ametyste?launcher=false&disclaimer-con sent=true> Thanks Alireza

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[lgr] IDN Program Update at ICANN 55
by Sarmad Hussain March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Dear All, We will be presenting the update on the IDN Program at ICANN 55 shortly. Details at <https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule/wed-idn> https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule/wed-idn. For those attending in person, kindly note that Ametyste room is not located in the main conference center but in Palmeraie Palace hotel - 5 minutes walk from the main conference center. Hope to see many of you there. Regards, Sarmad _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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action items from Marrakech Sunday CJK meeting
by HiroHOTTA March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Below is our homework based on Yuri's memo. Please confirm and do your homework in a timely manner. Hiro ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @@ action Item List [ICANN Dublin + Marrakech] s of 6/Mar/2016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ D : from Dublin CJK meetings M : from Marrakech meetings D1. CGP will check and share the ratio of the labels which contain both traditional character and simplified character in .CN (and .TW) registration data to C and K. D3. Yoneya will re-write the name of the title from "Algorithm" to "Procedure" and add some explanation (especially regarding 'review') to the "Algorithm" (now "Procedure") document before Beijing Meeting. D4. Each of CJK GPswill share their own repertoire and variants in both XML and excel format. If GP doesn't have them in both formats, send them only in the existing format. D5. CJK will check and confirm the template of Root LGR proposal and ask for IP's advice if necessary step1: Yoneya will send the edited template to CJK mailing lists which includes differentiation mark <common> for CJK and <individual> for each GP step2: CJK will check the drafted template and confirm step3: ask for IP's advice if necessary D6. CGP will investigate and share the maximum number of labels that are variant of each other in .CN (and .TW) to CJK ML. D7. CGP and KGP will devise a joint statement and then KGP will consider whether to make a joint statement with C and J in KGP LGR proposal D10. Yoneya will draft a temporary schedule for each step of CJK integration procedure and send it to Kenny for his check. After that. Yoneya and Kenny will share it with CJK mailing lists to solicit their opinions about the schedule M1. Wangwei will send first draft agenda of Beijing Meeting M2. Edmon will provide to CGP/JGP/KGP an analysis document regarding possible scenarios for import and export of variants among 3 GPs before Beijing Meeting. (about 8-10 slides) [Edmon] M3. Hiro will send the confirmed time schedle of Beijing Meeting to the whole CJK GP's. date: 3/20 10:00-17:00 or 18:00 3/21 9:00-17:00 or 18:00 participant: (to be confirmed) CGP Wangwei, Declan Ma, Jiangkan yao, Chris (remotely) JGP Hiro, Yoneya, Yuri, (maemura; TBD) KGP Prof.Kim, KISA, Hanja professional M4. Hiro will check the environment of CJK Coordination Meeting planned on 10th March to Sarmad. + availability of Adobe connect + participation of IP + start time (9:00-10:15 or 10:30-11:45) M5. Each of CJK GPs will consider whether each GP has other issues to be discussed other than coordination of variant definition among GPs. If there's some issues, share them to CJK mailing list by 9th March. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Draft agenda for CJK Beijing meeting 20th-21st
by 王伟 March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Dear All As we discussed in first CJK joint meeting yesterday, the preliminary agenda is attached. Please let anyone know whether any correction should be made. Regards WANG Wei

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Emeraude Rm
by Dillon, Chris March 6, 2016

March 6, 2016

Dear colleagues, Please note that the Emeraude Rm is not easy to find. Set out early. There is a sign for the Hotel du Golf on the right of the main building. Follow the path, turning right at one point. Eventually there is a building on the left which has a revolving door and then wine bottles on the ground floor. Take the lift to the 2nd floor and the room is opposite the lift. (You’ll thank me!) Regards, Chris.

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[reminder] CJK meeting at 15:30UTC on Sunday 6 March 2016
by HiroHOTTA March 6, 2016

March 6, 2016

6 Mar 2016 Proposed by Hiro [agenda] CJK coordination meeting on 6 Mar 2016 date/time March 6 2016 15:30-16:40 place Emeraude room remote participation https://icann.adobeconnect.com/lgr/ participants (as of Saturday) CGP on site : Chris Dillon remote : Wang Wei, Kenny Huang, Declan MA, Jiankang YAO JGP on site : Hiro Hotta, Yuri Takamatsu remote : Yoshiro Yoneya KGP on site : KIM Kyongsok, Eung-jun Jeon advisor : Edmon Chung ICANN : Sarmad Hussain agenda 1. each GP Updates CGP slides attached JGP slides attached KGP oral 2. update on action items from Dublin (see below) 3. Clarification of issues to be discussed in Marrakech 3.1 issues to be discussed in Marrakech - does each GP have something to talk with IP/ICANN? + if so, when the talk will be scheduled / with whom 3.2 logistics of Beijing Meeting - agenda setting - chair etc. 4. AOB Hiro Action Items from Dublin (items still remaining are highlighted with '**D?**') ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @@ 18 Oct [CJK-only] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. KGP will send 37 variant groups to all the CJK [KGP] ->e-mail already sent on 16 Sep "Review of K (Korean) and C (Chinese) variant groups" 16 Sep "K-LGR v0.3 (2015.08.13.)" ->done 2. check the presentation of "CJK GP Update" and send comments to Hiro if necessary by the end of 19 Oct. [CJK] ->done (presented in 21 Oct. public session) 3. amend the letter to ICANN [Wang Wei] ->done (brought to 19 Oct. CJK+IP meeting) 4. amend the letter to ICANN [Hiro] ->done (brought to 19 Oct. CJK+IP meeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @@ 19 Oct [CJK+IP] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Send current version of repertoire and possible variant to IP [CGP, JGP, KGP] ->not yet (but is now replaced by action item-3 on 22 Oct [CJK+IP]) 2. have further discussion of CJK Integration Algorithm (v0.4) in 22 Oct CJK only meeting ->done (discussed in 22 Oct. CJK-only meeting) 3. CGP will investigate letter-1 (CGP) before 22 Oct CJK coordination meeting.[CGP] ->done (discussed in 22 Oct. CJK+IP meeting) 4. CGP will check the ratio of the labels which contain both traditional character and simplified character in .CN (and .TW) registration data. [CGP] **D1** ->not yet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @@ 22 Oct [CJK+IP] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Prof.Kim will tell CJK whether the repertoire ver0.3 is the proposed stable baseline of Korean LGR-alpha version or not ->not yet **D2** - Yoneya will re-write the name of the title from "Algorithm" to "Procedure" and add some explanation (especially regarding 'review') to the "Algorithm" (now "Procedure") document ->not yet **D3** - CJK will share their own repertoire and variants in both XML and excel format ->not yet (this is the replacement of 19 Oct. Action Item 1) **D4** - CJK will check and confirm the template of Root LGR proposal and ask for IP's advice if necessary **D5** ->not yet step1: Yoneya will send the edited template to CJK mailing lists which includes differentiation mark <common> for CJK and <individual> for each GP step2: CJK will check the drafted template and confirm step3: ask for IP's advice if necessary ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @@ 22 Oct [CJK-only] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - CGP will investigate the .CN (and .TW) registry database to know the maximum number of labels that are variant of each other in .CN (and .TW) **D6** ->not yet - KGP will consider whether to make a joint statement with C and J in KGP LGR proposal **D7** ->not yet - Wang Wei will check the date of CDNC meeting in Dec 2015 and share with CJK **D8** ->not yet - KGP will share the concrete schedule to CGP and JGP **D9** ->not yet - Yoneya will draft a temporary schedule for each step of CJK integration procedure and send it to Kenny for his check. After that. Yoneya and Kenny will share it with CJK mailing lists to solicit their opinions about the schedule **D10** ->not yet ===

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