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Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables?
by KIM Kyongsok April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Zhang Zhoucai <joe.zhang(a)unihan.com.cn> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > Dear Mr. Zhang: Thanks for your message. Let me say this way. I did not mean to discuss variant tables now. KLGP just would like to see CGP and JGP variant tables in preparing KLGP's variant table. Thanks very much. KIM, K. I strongly suggest that we’d better finish and fix the REPERTOIRE first for > the time being, then, go to the variant table. > > The CGP Repertoire seems ready soon …. > > FYI. > > > > Zhang > > > > *发件人:* KIM Kyongsok [mailto:gimgs0@gmail.com] > *发送时间:* 2015年4月16日 19:47 > *收件人:* hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > *抄送:* Wang Wei; Dongman Lee; Joe Zhang; Wang Wei; Kenny Huang; Yuri; > Yoshiro YONEYA; Zhang Zhoucai; <qichao(a)cnnic.cn>; Zhiwei Yan; > KoreanGP(a)icann.org; ChineseGP(a)icann.org; JapaneseGP(a)icann.org; ? ??; 조성덕; > 신상현; KIM Kyongsok > *主题:* latest versions of CGP and JGP variant tables? > > > > Dear everybody: > > > > KLGP is trying to prepare a repertoire and a variant table. > > > > I would like to get the (or almost?) latest versions of CGP and JGP > variant tables. > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > -- > > 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok > -- 김 경석 KIM, Kyongsok

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Thursday meeting on 16th April
by 王伟 April 16, 2015

April 16, 2015

Dear All I'd like to hold CGP meeting 3PM~4PM Thursday With the help from Mr. QI Chao, we have generated two different repertoire, the original CDNC table (18000+ code points), and a reduced smaller one (13000+ code points) However, compared with JPRS table, the TWO overlapping sets are quite similar. We really need to discuss pros and cons of two different table, and which one should be adopted. Mr. QI, please send out the two EXCEL files of code points to everyone. Thank you! Regards Wang Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 15, 2015

April 15, 2015

Dear professors, Thank you for your response. Dear all, It's usually not easy (almost imporrisible) for all the important people to gather together. It seems the below are the possible options where at least one important person from KGP can join. Option-a 1 day on 29/April Prof. Lee OK Option-b 1.5 days during 15/May-17/May Prof. Kim OK After hearing from CGP, let's see how we can arrange the dates. Regards, Hiro On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:09:20 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > Hmm.. I'm sorry to say that I'll be in the USA for a business trip. So the 1st option only works for me. April 29th works best for me. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > 2015-04-10 ?? 12:25? KIM Kyongsok ?(?) ? ?: > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM, HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > It seems difficult for us to move without specific > > proposal on the date/time and venue. > > Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. > > > > date/time > > 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April > > 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May > > > > > > For me, > > > > 1st option is not good: I have a meeting and a class. > > 2nd option seems good although it includes a weekend. > > > > Thanks. > > > > KIM, K. > > > > > > venue > > Seoul > > > > Either of the above options works for 3 JGP > > representatives. > > > > I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either > > of the above options. > > Looking forward to your response. > > > > Regards, > > Hiro > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 > > Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr <mailto:dlee@cs.kaist.ac.kr>> wrote: > > > Hiro, > > > > > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before > > the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion > > of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dongman > > > > > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > > > > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp > > <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> ??: > > > > > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may > > be better > > > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > > > > > Hiro > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp <mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp>> wrote: > > > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > > > >> > > > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > > > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > > > >> > > > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > > > >> the gathering. > > > >> > > > >> <report from the gathering> > > > >> > > > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > > > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > > > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > > > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > > > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > > > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > > > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > > > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > > > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > > > >> proposal with some small improvements. > > > >> > > > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > > > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > > > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > > > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > > > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > > > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > > > >> and from script community perspective. > > > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > > > >> > > > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > > > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > > > >> > > > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > > > >> > > > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > > > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > > > >> - before mid May at the latest. > > > >> > > > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from > > CGP/JGP/KGP? > > > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ? ?? KIM, Kyongsok > > > -- Dongman Lee, PhD > Head, Graduate School of Culture Technology > Professor, Department of Computer Science > KAIST > 291 Daehak-ro, Yuseong-gu > Daejon 305-701 > KOREA > > E-mail: dlee(a)kaist.ac.kr > Web: http://cds.kaist.ac.kr/cdsn/DongmanLee > Tel: +82-42-350-2901/3559 > HP: +82-10-3412-1387 >

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Thursday meeting on 16th April
by Sarmad Hussain April 14, 2015

April 14, 2015

Chinese GP meeting on Thursday 16 April @ 3pm Beijing Time (0700 UTC). Agenda: See email by Wang Wei below. Adobe Connect �C IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: List of International Dial In Numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 4054049491 _____________________________________________ From: ��ΰ [mailto:wangwei@cnic.cn] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:07 PM To: ChineseGP(a)icann.org<mailto:ChineseGP@icann.org> Cc: Sarmad Hussain Subject: Thursday meeting on 16th April Dear All I'd like to hold CGP meeting 3PM~4PM Thursday With the help from Mr. QI Chao, we have generated two different repertoire, the original CDNC table (18000+ code points), and a reduced smaller one (13000+ code points) However, compared with JPRS table, the TWO overlapping sets are quite similar. We really need to discuss pros<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=pros&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn> and<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=and&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn> cons<http://cn.bing.com/dict/search?q=cons&FORM=BDVSP6&mkt=zh-cn>! of two different table, and which one should be adopted. Mr. QI, please send out the two EXCEL files of code points to everyone. Thank you! Regards Wang Wei

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Re: [ChineseGP] informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 10, 2015

April 10, 2015

Dear all, It seems difficult for us to move without specific proposal on the date/time and venue. Let me narrow down the options regarding CJK meeting. date/time 1st option : 1.5 days during 28/April - 30/April 2nd option : 1.5 days during 15/May - 17/May venue Seoul Either of the above options works for 3 JGP representatives. I hope CGP and KGP can send representatives to either of the above options. Looking forward to your response. Regards, Hiro On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 08:54:17 +0900 Dongman Lee <dlee(a)cs.kaist.ac.kr> wrote: > Hiro, > > First of all, I fully agree with you on having a meeting before the next ICANN meeting. Thanks for a kind and excellent suggestion of Seoul as a meeting location. I will check with KISA. > > Regards, > > Dongman > > ?? iPhone?? ?? > > 2015. 4. 3. ?? 12:12 HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> ??: > > > Hi, CJK colleagues, > > > > There's a proposal to meet (has a panel) in Macau in June. > > > > However, I think it's definitely better for CJK to meet in late > > April or early May, which is well before Buenos Aires ICANN > > Meeting. I proposed that to this mailing list, to propel our > > discussion. > > > > I haven't heard from anyone from CGP/KGP about my proposal. > > > > I know it's difficult for KGP to join the meeting, so it may be better > > for CJK to meet in Korea. > > May I have your opinion on this? > > > > Hiro > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 06:05:00 +0900 > > HiroHOTTA <hotta(a)jprs.co.jp> wrote: > >> Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, > >> > >> Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering > >> on March 22 in Dallas happened. > >> > >> Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of > >> the gathering. > >> > >> <report from the gathering> > >> > >> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including > >> its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed > >> the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. > >> Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the > >> gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and > >> their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept > >> of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of > >> CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The > >> attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's > >> proposal with some small improvements. > >> > >> Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that > >> - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR > >> definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) > >> - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a > >> couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman > >> proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective > >> and from script community perspective. > >> - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) > >> > >> Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above > >> output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. > >> > >> <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> > >> > >> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd > >> like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April > >> - before mid May at the latest. > >> > >> May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from CGP/JGP/KGP? > >> Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair > > > > >

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informal gathering in Dallas and the way forward
by HiroHOTTA April 2, 2015

April 2, 2015

Dear CGP/JGP/KGP members, Thank you for those of you who could make the informal gathering on March 22 in Dallas happened. Let me report you about its results as one of the attendees of the gathering. <report from the gathering> Three from CGP (including its Chair) and two from JGP (including its Chair) made a sincere in-depth discussion on how to proceed the script-wise LGR generation and the coordination among CJK. Based on JGP's strawman proposal explained as a starter of the gathering, they discussed about the framework, algorithm, and their pros and cons. The proposed framework inherits the concept of Dr. Zhang's definition that was sent to some members of CGP/JGP/KGP including all three GP Chairs on March 10, 2015. The attendees of the gathering there tentatively agreed JGP's proposal with some small improvements. Following the gathering, the attendees agreed that - CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) LGR definition (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) - JGP would share its experimental draft LGR with CGP (in a couple of days) for CGP/JGP to ensure that the strawman proposal would work appropriately from technical perspective and from script community perspective. - JGP will work on the improvement of the proposal (in a week) Of course, CGP and JGP are and will be ready to share their above output among CGP/JGP/KGP after necessary amendment in due course. <meeting proposal : expected to be agreed in some form> Now seeing that the informal process in each GP is advancing, I'd like to propose a CGP/JGP/KGP coordination meeting in late April - before mid May at the latest. May I have opinions on this CJK meeting proposal from CGP/JGP/KGP? Especially about the feasibility, dates, and venue. Regards, Hiro Hotta, JGP Chair

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Chinese GP meeting; Thursday 2nd April @ 3pm Beijing Time (0700 UTC)
by Sarmad Hussain March 31, 2015

March 31, 2015

Chinese GP meeting on Thursday 2nd April @ 3pm Beijing Time (0700 UTC). Agenda: Discuss the revision proposal by Prof. Joe Zhang Adobe Connect - IDN Meeting room: How to connect: Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: List of International Dial In Numbers: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 4054049491

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CGP repertoire review and revision 中文字表复查及校订工作
by Wang Wei March 28, 2015

March 28, 2015

Dear Prof. Zhang, Prof. Li and Prof. Dillon JGP and CGP had a successful meeting this week in IETF 92, Dallas. Both two parties agreed that: 1) The update of definition for Variants within a language environment and across languages environments proposed by Prof. Zhang 2) CGP would continue working on its revised (reduced) repertoire, variant table (outcome expected to come up in mid-April) 3) Based on that, JGP would define (adopt) passive variants and revise its repertoire and variant table. For the next step, I’d like to ask Prof. Zhang to lead the following work together with Prof. Li and Prof. Dillon 1) The principle of revision (reduction) of current repertoire ASAP, (needs to be discussed within CGP) 2) The revised repertoire and variant table (needs to be confirmed by CDNC) As suggested in the last CGP Abode connect meeting, the revision should be handled in a conservative manner to reserve a large space for the future gTLD application. The first version is expected to be done by mid-April. 在IETF92达拉斯会议上，CGP和JGP会面并达成如下共识： 1）同意由张轴材老师提出的variants定义更新。 2）CGP对现有字表进行适当删减，减少不必要的异体字，降低复杂度。 3）JGP将在新字表基础上，定义其passive variants 下一步，还要有请张老师牵头，与李国英老师和Chris Dillon一起开展以下工作： 1）CGP字表的修订原则（需要在CGP内讨论通过） 2）CGP字表的修订内容（需要与CDNC的现有实践比较并达成共识）在两周前CGP电话会议上，大家一致认为CGP字表修订需要尽可能地为未来 gTLD注册保留空间，因此相关修订应以保守为上（个人建议，明确的历史废弃字、吏读字、日文借用字等可删除，否则无需太过激进）以上工作，希望四月中旬能有第一个版本。还请张老师费心。 Regards Wang Wei

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Woo will be in Dallas?
by HiroHOTTA March 22, 2015

March 22, 2015

Dear colleagues, Will any of you from CGP or KGP go to Dallas IETF meeting? From JGP, Yoneya and I will be in Dallas. Shall we meet if at all possible? Hiro

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[lgr] FW: ICANN News Alert -- Reference Label Generation Rulesets (LGRs) for the Second Level
by Sarmad Hussain March 18, 2015

March 18, 2015

Dear All, Kindly note a recent request for public comments. Regards, Sarmad <http://www.icann.org/> News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-03-10-en _____ Reference Label Generation Rulesets (LGRs) for the Second Level 10 March 2015 _____ Forum Announcement: Comment Period Opens on Date: 10 March 2015 Categories/Tags: Second-Level Domains Purpose (Brief): During the new gTLD program's Pre-Delegation Testing (PDT), ICANN has noted a large number of IDN table submissions. The IDN tables submitted by the new gTLD registries varied in the repertoire of characters, variant and contextual rules, and format. On the request of the community, to facilitate and improve consistency of testing and stability of registry operations of new gTLDs, ICANN intends to develop reference IDN tables in machine readable format, called Label Generation Rulesets (LGRs) for the second level, for use in PDT and the Registry Service Evaluation Process (RSEP). ICANN is suggesting a process to ensure both linguistic and technical expert input and community review of these tables being developed. The community is requested to review and provide feedback on the effectiveness of the suggested process for the development of these tables, and propose any further improvements. Public Comment Box Link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lgr-second-level-2015-03-10-en _______________________________________________ lgr mailing list lgr(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lgr

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