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Excellent article on PIR case
by Marita Moll Nov. 24, 2019

Nov. 24, 2019

I have read quite a few of the articles that have been emerging about the deal, but this is one of the best to date. Maureen is quoted!! Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [article] Internet world despairs as non-profit .org sold for $$$$ to private equity firm, price caps axed Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:11:46 +0000 From: Ayden Férdeline <icann(a)FERDELINE.COM> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann(a)ferdeline.com> To: NCSG-DISCUSS(a)LISTSERV.SYR.EDU For those who have not been following the PIR sale too closely, this new article from /The Register /offers an excellent primer on what has happened and why it matters: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline

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Brainstorming
by Roberto Gaetano Nov. 24, 2019

Nov. 24, 2019

I was thinking of starting jotting down some ideas about what are the things that we should consider about the transfer of control of .org - other than the fear about the price raise that we have already abundantly discussed. I believe that it is essentially a matter of trust. A year ago, day more, day less, ISOC had issue a call for candidatures for PIR Board members - myself and two other Directors were ending our term in 2019 and needed to be replaced. The selection process was supervised by ISOC Board of Trustees - or a committee thereof. That was guaranteeing alignment of the PIR Board with ISOC values. Who will select the two PIR Directors that will replace the ones ending their terms? What will be the requested profile? When ISOC was selecting, the requested profiles were public, as the call for candidatures. If the process is meant to follow a similar path it should be starting now. This is important for two reasons: first because of the transparency of the selection of Directors who will supervise the “Public Interest” Registry - but also because the process was run by an organization that was trusted by the community. Anybody here trusting the investment fund that is taking over? I remember that when I was chairing the PIR Board we had regular meetings with ISOC’s Board of Trustees. That was ensuring that the technical decisions taken by PIR were aligned with ISOC’s principles. This is now gone. PIR Board will, at the most, meet with the investors to make sure that the profits are maximized. PIR has taken over the years positions against some of the unethical or dangerous practices that had as sole purpose to squeeze more money from the market without looking at the unintended negative effects, like for instance the wildcard - see as a reference the CircleID article at http://www.circleid.com/posts/pir_opposes_sitefinder_will_not_implement_sim…. PIR also curbed the so-called "domain tasting” by charging Registrars who were practicing it. But besides fighting against unethical practices, PIR has also positively supported good practices, like for instance DNSSEC - PIR was the first gTLD to sign the zone, see https://www.securityweek.com/dnssec-becomes-reality-today-icann-brussels. It should be reminded that implementation of DNSSEC was not bringing additional income, just additional work. I have been in the Board of PIR for 6 years, 2+ of them as Chair, and I acknowledge that I might be biased, but those above are facts, not opinions. Will PIR under the new regime be allowed to take the same stance in defence of “doing the right thing” according to its ethics, or will it be forced to “do the thing that brings a better return on investment”? You can guess my answer, but what is yours? Let me stress it again, it is not about the fees, it is about having or not a champion that will stand up for “doing the right thing” in a market that is dominated by greed. Without a .org run in the public interest, even with sometimes some mistakes, but always with good intentions and with the ability to change decisions when the Internet users told us we were wrong (remember the SCADR issue?), the Internet will be a different place. And this is what is, IMHO, the real problem. Best regards, Roberto

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PIR sale -- a small way forward
by Marita Moll Nov. 23, 2019

Nov. 23, 2019

Lots of discussion going on here and elsewhere. It's complicated, as we all know. And no one wants to respond with a knee jerk reaction. So far, the community needs to hear from ICANN board and ICANN org about whether they had any knowledge of this negotiation. The idea is being floated on the NCSG list that a letter be sent asking for this clarification. We could do that too. But, more powerful would be a joint letter from some SO/AC communities. Marita

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Re: [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] [At-Large] EFF : Nonprofit Community Stands Together to Protect .ORG
by Alexander Schubert Nov. 23, 2019

Nov. 23, 2019

What I ask myself is:Why the rush and secrecy? A deal of that importance should have been been discussed in public. ISOC should have made a public offer. Who knows - maybe the Bill Gates Foundation would have bought it; and would have continued to operate it as nonprofit (obviously using the revenues for a while to reimburse the purchase costs).Who within ISOC was consulted? Has an external audit company vetted the numbers? How do we know this wasn't sold for just 5 years revenues? Shouldn't potential take-over clients have asked to make long-term commitments? What if the new owners sell this to North Korea - or China?Have kick-backs been paid; and to whom? And why?The new owners will WANT to sell it; they are VC money: they need an exit. To whom do they sell? They need to double the inventory (domain count) to show "growth": how will they do it? Give a .org for free and without consent to all .com owners at registrar level (the .xyz model)?Thanks,AlexanderSent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck(a)innovatorsnetwork.org> Date: 11/22/19 19:39 (GMT-05:00) To: Roberto Gaetano <mail.roberto.gaetano(a)gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> Cc: CPWG <cpwg(a)icann.org>, At Large <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [At-Large] EFF : Nonprofit Community Stands Together to Protect .ORG Agree Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org From: At-Large <at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Roberto Gaetano <mail.roberto.gaetano(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 7:32:47 PM To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard(a)gmail.com> Cc: CPWG <cpwg(a)icann.org>; At Large <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] EFF : Nonprofit Community Stands Together to Protect .ORG Replying to Maureen’s initial question, I think that before signing off a document against the sale of PIR I believe that we need to understand why we are against this sale. Personally, my motivation has nothing to do with the risk of price increase - I think that I made it clear when submitting comments about the .org contract renewal, well before the fate of PIR was known. My being upset is because this transaction, based on purely financial considerations, has broken the trust that ISOC was the champion of the interests of a wide community, spanning from individual users to the non-profit community, and that would have continued playing that role supporting a registry that was providing a safe harbour for those folks. The trust was not based on the dollar more, dollar less, of the yearly fees, but on the stance that PIR had about practices of an industry dominated by commercial interests. I believe that we need to have a deep discussion among ourselves before taking a decision, that should not result in a simple signature under a document, but a motivated argumentation. If and when we do this, there will be no problem in finding ourselves in the company of odd bedfellows - if OTOH we do not do this preliminary work the risk of being confused with other commercial interests and having our voice diluted, if not even misunderstood, is quite high. Cheers, Roberto

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Jacob Malthouse : Who’s Going to Run .ORG? Billionaire Republicans
by Dev Anand Teelucksingh Nov. 22, 2019

Nov. 22, 2019

As a FYI, Here’s another bit of news regarding the three other US investors in addition to Ethos Capital in .org : * Perot Holdings (affiliated with Petrus Asset Management Co/Petrus Holding Co) * FMR LLC (affiliated with Johnson family) * Solamere Capital (affiliated with Romney) https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/whos-going-to-run-org-in-a-word-the-gop-… Dev Anand

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At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call
by ICANN Policy Calendar Nov. 21, 2019

Nov. 21, 2019

Dear All, The next At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 27 November 2019 at 13:00 UTC for 90 mins. For other times: https://tinyurl.com/uww9hyt The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/r5UzBw Zoom Room: https://icann.zoom.us/j/765717566 / Meeting ID: 765-717-566 - Please note, the zoom room link and Meeting ID will remain the same for each weekly meeting. Real time transcription (RTT) available at (subject to availability): https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net] [streamtext.net]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.streamtext.net_pla…> ADIGO Conference Bridge: EN: 1638 ES: 1738 Toll-free access number (US and Canada): 800 550 6865 Other toll-free numbers: https://www.adigo.com/icann [adigo.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.adigo.com_icann&d=…> At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Wiki Space: https://community.icann.org/x/jYDpB If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind regards, At-Large Staff ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community Website: atlarge.icann.org [atlarge.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_&d=D…> Facebook: facebook.com/icann [facebook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_icann…>atlarge [facebook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_icann…> Twitter: @ [twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANNAtLar…>ICANNAtLarge [twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANNAtLar…>

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Domainincite : ICANN board meets to consider PIR acquisition today (Nov 21 2019)
by Dev Anand Teelucksingh Nov. 21, 2019

Nov. 21, 2019

The domainincite article also provides an explanation of how the BAMC (and the ICANN board) handed the reconsideration requests by Namecheap and EFF - the ICANN board took over the remit of the BAMC when the BAMC was not quorate http://domainincite.com/24997-icann-board-meets-to-consider-pir-acquisition…

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REMINDER / Meeting invitation: At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call on Wednesday, 20 November 2019 at 21:00 UTC
by ICANN At-Large Staff Nov. 21, 2019

Nov. 21, 2019

Dear All, The next At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call is scheduled for Wednesday, 20 November 2019 at 21:00 UTC for 90 mins. For other times: https://tinyurl.com/vje7825 The agenda (to be updated) and call details can be found at: https://community.icann.org/x/OpMzBw Zoom Room: https://icann.zoom.us/j/765717566 / Meeting ID: 765-717-566 – Please note, the zoom room link and Meeting ID will remain the same for each weekly meeting. Real time transcription (RTT) available at (subject to availability): https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net] [streamtext.net]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.streamtext.net_pla…> ADIGO Conference Bridge: EN: 1638 ES: 1738 Toll-free access number (US and Canada): 800 550 6865 Other toll-free numbers: https://www.adigo.com/icann [adigo.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.adigo.com_icann&d=…> At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Wiki Space: https://community.icann.org/x/jYDpB If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Thank you. Kind regards, At-Large Staff ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community Website: atlarge.icann.org [atlarge.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_&d=D…> Facebook: facebook.com/icann [facebook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_icann…>atlarge [facebook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_icann…> Twitter: @ [twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANNAtLar…>ICANNAtLarge [twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANNAtLar…>

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Re: [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Test
by Yesim Nazlar Nov. 21, 2019

Nov. 21, 2019

Dear Roberto, E-mail received. Thank you. Kind Regards, Yeşim Nazlar On 11/21/19, 11:26 AM, "registration-issues-wg on behalf of Roberto Gaetano" <registration-issues-wg-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Sorry to bother you but I have difficulties in sending email to this list. ALAC Staff is investigating. Please disregard this message. Cheers, Roberto _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_… ) and the website Terms of Service (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_… ). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ registration-issues-wg mailing list registration-issues-wg(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/registration-issues-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_… ) and the website Terms of Service (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_… ). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Test
by Roberto Gaetano Nov. 21, 2019

Nov. 21, 2019

Sorry to bother you but I have difficulties in sending email to this list. ALAC Staff is investigating. Please disregard this message. Cheers, Roberto

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