March 2014 - Gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg

Actions: PDP WG on Translation/Transliteration of Contact Info
by Julie Hedlund June 12, 2014

June 12, 2014

Dear PDP WG members, Please see below the actions from our meeting on 06 February. These also are posted to the wiki page at:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/06+February+2014. Actions: 1. Ching Chao will convey to the Council the PDP WG's request to get an agenda item on the Council meeting on 27 February so that the WG can bring to the Council its request for input. 2. Proposed Questions: Ask WG members to continue to suggest refinements on the list and the wiki. Question 1 -- ADD: What is the definition of translation and transliteration? Questions 3 & 4: Consider whether there are related questions or links to existing information. > 1. What is contact information (review and expand on the taxonomies)? > > 2. Why are we doing this?; is this particular feature necessary? > > 3. Who gets access to what? > > 4. Who are the stakeholders?; who is affected? and what do they want (linking > back to What)? > > 5. How much would a particular feature cost and how to weigh the costs versus > the benefits? > > 6. When would policy come into effect? > > 7. What should be mandatory? Best regards, Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session
by Glen de Saint Géry April 1, 2014

April 1, 2014

Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of real work that needs be done. The agenda is flexible. Mikey OConnor will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them you can download those materials <http://gnso.icann.org/en/correspondence/presentation-newcomer-27feb14-en.pd f> here if you would like to review them in advance of the meeting [insert a link to the slide deck]. But do not feel constrained to that agenda. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are To allow for maximum participation in these calls, the proposed schedule is as follows: Thursday 6 March at 20.00 UTC Thursday 3 April at 12.00 UTC Thursday 1 May at 20.00 UTC Thursday 5 June at 12.00 UTC Thursday 3 July at 20.00 UTC Thursday 7 August at 12.00 UTC Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC To convert to your local time zone, please see <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. If you are interested to join the next meeting on 6 February or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know ( <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs(a)icann.org) and they will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org

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WG F2F
by Amr Elsadr March 24, 2014

March 24, 2014

Hi all, I want to convey my sincere apologies for missing this morning’s meeting. I had an unavoidable scheduling conflict. I hope the meeting went well, and will go over the transcripts as soon as I can. Thanks. Amr

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Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Some resources
by Dillon, Chris March 24, 2014

March 24, 2014

Dear Steve, Thank you for the link. You'll laugh - I've put a link to that from the T&T wiki. Regards, Chris. == Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Steve Sheng <steve.sheng(a)icann.org<mailto:steve.sheng@icann.org>> Date: Monday, 24 March 2014 10:06 To: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Some resources https://community.icann.org/display/whoisird/WHOIS+RT+IRD+WG+Home

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Some resources
by Steve Sheng March 24, 2014

March 24, 2014

Dear WG members, As requested, please find below the URL for information on the Whois Review Team Expert Working Group on Internationalized Registration Data. https://community.icann.org/display/whoisird/WHOIS+RT+IRD+WG+Home kind regards, Steve

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FW: ALAC Statement on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information Working Group SO-AC Input Request
by Glen de Saint Géry March 19, 2014

March 19, 2014

FYI Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org<http://gnso.icann.org/> From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: mardi 18 mars 2014 23:32 To: gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org Cc: Rudi Vansnick; c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: ALAC Statement on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information Working Group SO-AC Input Request Dear All, Please find attached the ALAC Statement on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information Working Group SO-AC Input Request. On 16 March 2014, Staff confirmed that the online vote resulted in the ALAC endorsing the Statement with 11 votes in favor, 0 votes against, and 0 abstentions. You may review the result independently under: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=3703yxB23b34wMN9xthGfrae. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<Regards,%20Heidi%20Ullrich,%20Silvia%20Vivanco,%20Matt%20Ashtiani,%20Ariel%20Liang,%20Gisella%20Gruber,%20Nathalie%20Peregrine%20and%20Julia%20Charvolen%20ICANN%20Policy%20Staff%20in%20support%20of%20ALACmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>

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RE: NCSG input for Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group
by Dillon, Chris March 15, 2014

March 15, 2014

Dear Rafik, Thank you for your input. I’ve just put it in the T&T wiki for discussion at our meeting in Singapore. https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/Community+Input Regards, Chris. From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] Sent: 12 March 2014 00:32 To: GNSO-SECS(a)icann.org; rudi.vansnick; Dillon, Chris; Amr Elsadr Subject: NCSG input for Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Hello, please find attached the NCSG input for the WG questionnaire. Thanks to all WG members and co-chairs for the hard work, Best Regards. Rafik

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Informing the Debate
by Lars Hoffmann March 13, 2014

March 13, 2014

Dear all, For the record, here is the document that was presented in the AC room today. Please note that it is a work in progress. Please let me know (off or on list) if you have any other relevant sources that might help inform the debate. I will be happy to include more information. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 13 March 2014
by Terri Agnew March 13, 2014

March 13, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 13 March at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140313-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140313-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Jim Galvin - SSAC Ahkuputra Wanawit – GAC Mae Suchayapim Siriwat – GAC Peter Green - NCUC Petter Rindforth – IPC Rudi Vansnick – NPCO Chris Dillon – NCSG Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC Jennifer Chung - RySG Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – ISPCP Amr Elsadar – NCUC Ephriam Percy Kenyanito – NCUC Apologies: Justine Chew – At-Large Peter Dernbach – IPC ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Lars Hoffman Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat <mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org <http://gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 13 March 2014 Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group on Thursday 13 March 2014 Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Rudi Vansnick:ruudisoc = skypeid Rudi Vansnick:no problem for me on Sunday Jim Galvin:still on hold waiting to be connected.... Chris Dillon:Hello, all! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hello Chris, Hello all! Jim Galvin:now on the call Terri Agnew:Wolf Knoben has joined Amr Elsadr:Dialling in now. Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadar has joined Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/List+of+correspondence+… Rudi Vansnick:use full screen Julie Amr Elsadr:The NCSG response is not listed. Amr Elsadr:Still have no audio. Waiting for operator. Rudi Vansnick:i only see a cursor moving around Terri Agnew:Amr will get op on this Petter Rindforth:Can*t see anything on the screen? Amr Elsadr:Thanks Terri. Amr Elsadr:Just joined the call, but have a blank screen with a cursor floating around in the AC room. Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : indeed Rudi Vansnick:use th elink to the page https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/List+of+correspondence+received Julie Hedlund:I went into full screen and I'm not sure why it's not showing Amr Elsadr:Haha. So it's not just me. :) Amr Elsadr:Thanks Rudi. Julie Hedlund:Unfortunately when I am showing the screen then I cannot read the chat room -- so I apologize for not realizing that you couldn't see the screen Julie Hedlund:I've stopped sharing for now. Julie Hedlund:@Chris -- the share screen doesn't seem to be working. I suggest that you send the links. Amr Elsadr:Wasn't the NCSG response sent in? Julie Hedlund:I can try sharing again, but I don't know if it will work. Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=44960108 Julie Hedlund:Can you see the screen? Julie Hedlund:This time? Rudi Vansnick:we see your screen with the adobe, not the shared one Julie Hedlund:Sorry -- not sure why it's not working Julie Hedlund:I'll try something else. Amr Elsadr:Screen sharing is working now. Lars Hoffmann:I'll send it out right now Lars Hoffmann:i un-synched the document and you should be able to scroll through it yourself Peter Green-CONAC:I agree, not exact point of translation is mentioned in our Response Amr Elsadr:And I completely agree with the PRC's points. Amr Elsadr:Thanks Chris. Lars Hoffmann:Here is the link to the REport: Lars Hoffmann:https://www.icann.org/en/groups/other/gtld-directory-services/init… Rudi Vansnick:i think we should use them as basic material Amr Elsadr:I have no objection to addressing each of the items listed in the table. It seems like the most comprehensive list we've yet seen. Amr Elsadr:@Jim: For validation/verification, I'm guessing it would be more practical to just go ahead and validate/verify the contact info provided in one langauge/script, whatever it is. Amr Elsadr:Trying to match them from one language/script to another will be very problematic. Jim Galvin:@amr: are you suggesting a uniform single language/script or that one should be chosen per registry? Consider the following. Amr Elsadr:I'm suggesting that registrars providing services in different languages/scripts conduct validation/verification in those scripts with no need for translation/transliteration + matching different languages/scripts. Not a uniform single language/script. Jim Galvin:In our discussions in the IRD recommendations EWG we have observed the UPU standards state that address information requirements is set by the "nation state". Thus, a registrant should reasonably be expected to enter their address in a language/script appropriate for the region. It also seems to follow that validation/verification of address information would be most practical if it was presented according to the local requirements. Amr Elsadr:@Jim: That recommendation sounds like a good one to me. :) Rudi Vansnick:+1 Amr Elsadr:Come to think of it, I wouldn't leave it up to the nation-state, but to the registrant. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:but with the new gTLD where it is more context based, not location based Amr Elsadr:@Pitinan: Good point. Rudi Vansnick:although be carefull, some nations use several languages being official national languages Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:picking the preferrable language would be ...tough Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Also a good point. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:@Rudi +1 Jim Galvin:The issue you run into is with registrars. They have a global presence and thus how do you "restrict" or "manage" an arbitrary registrant? Could it be that you reject registrants who attempt to enter contact information from regions you can't process? Rudi Vansnick:a registrar is not equel to a country or language Amr Elsadr:I recognize that my suggestion would also present some challenges, like if a registrar loses its accreditation. Amr Elsadr:It would be problematic to transfer the registrant contact information if no other registrar providing services in a specific language/script is available. Jim Galvin:@amr - yes one could say it's a market/business issue. but it is a point that registrars will care about because it creates a "restriction" they don't have today if they have to allow the language/script appropriate for the region of the address. Jim Galvin:@amr - and the transfer issue that you note. Amr Elsadr:I don't see it a restriction, but a competitive issue. Nothing wrong with that. :) Jim Galvin::) I agree but not everyone else does. Amr Elsadr:Technically, there's no restriction. A registrar based in Germany could hire staff in China if they thought the Chinese DN registration market is worth it. Chris Dillon:exonym Chris Dillon:Bangkok Chris Dillon:endonym Krung Thep wolf knoben:@Amr: It's going more and more vice versa :) Amr Elsadr:All I'm saying is let demand and supply work it out. No need for overbearing policies. That's where the real restrictions are. :) Rudi Vansnick:is there a need to refine the questions ? Rudi Vansnick:up till now I have some difficulties to define the prioritization of the questions Rudi Vansnick:any suggestions for Singapore ? Amr Elsadr:Why does this WG always get the 07:30 times?? :) Chris Dillon:Woe is indeed us. Amr Elsadr:Someone's got it in for us!! :) Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : due to translation of the hour (tiume) Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: hahaha!! wolf knoben:I apologize for not being in Singapore. But I'll follow what's going on. Have a nice meeting! Chris Dillon:Thanks Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks Chris Amr Elsadr:Thanks Chris. Bon voyage. :) Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone and safe travels to those going to Singapore! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Bye all, thanks Amr Elsadr:Bye all. Thanks. Petter Rindforth:The same to you all Jennifer Chung:Thanks Chris, thank you all. Bye Chris Dillon:Until Singapore! Peter Green-CONAC:bye all, see you in Singapore

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Invitation to Participate in EWG Singapore Meeting 26 March
by Julie Hedlund March 12, 2014

March 12, 2014

Dear Chris and Rudi, On behalf of Steve Sheng, I would like to invite you to participate in a public meeting in Singapore of the Expert Working Group (EWG) on Defining Requirements for Internationalized Registration Data (IRD). As you know, the work of this EWG is closely tied to that of the PDP WG. Thus, Steve thought it would be useful for the Chairs of the PDP WG to provide a brief update on their activities at this meeting. I imagine we could use the slide deck that you used at the last Council update with minor changes (see attached). The meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, 26 March from 0900-1000 local Singapore time. See the details at: http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-ird-requirements. Of course, as this is a public meeting we would encourage all of the PDP WG members to attend as their schedules permit. Please let me know at your earliest convenience whether you would like to participate in this meeting and whether you have any changes to the draft slides. Best regards, Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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