February 2015 - Gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg

MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 26 February 2015
by Glen de Saint Géry Feb. 26, 2015

Feb. 26, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 26 February 2015 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-26feb15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Jennifer Chung – RySG Roger Carney – RrSG Peter Green – NCUC Sara Bockey – RrSG Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC Wanawit Ahkuputra - GAC Wen Zhai - RySG Apologies: Emily Taylor – RrSG Petter Rindforth – IPC Peter Dernbach- IPC Julie Hedlund - Staff ICANN staff: Howard Li Lars Hoffmann Glen de Saint Géry Gisella Gruber ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Glen Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 26 February 2015: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:็Hi all, Gisella Gruber:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration Contact Information PDP WG on Thursday 26 February 2015 at 1400 UTC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hi Hi :) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:somehow I cannot connect to the local Mic.only the dial up option available Chris Dillon:Hello Pitinan & Wanawit! Lars Hoffmann:hello all Chris Dillon:Hi Lars! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:ah need to try log in agian Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:brb Jennifer Chung:Hello everyone! Gisella Gruber:@ Pitinan - the mic has been enabled so you should be able to speak through your computer mic Glen de Saint Gery:Rudi will be late joining Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks :) I thought it was my mic problem for a while , thanks! Howard Li:I am on listen only mode Lars Hoffmann:@howard: would you like a dial out? Howard Li:this is Howard Li, ICANN Staff, Registrar Services Howard Li:I am OK on listen only mode Glen de Saint Gery:Apologies from Julie Hedlund as well Amr Elsadr:@Glen: Hope all's well with Julie. Amr Elsadr:Ah. Thanks. I'll check the wiki. Amr Elsadr:Is what we're looking at here an updated version? Jim Galvin:Jim is now on the call. Sorry to be late. Amr Elsadr:Can the document be desynched please? Lars Hoffmann:@amr - done Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Amr Elsadr::) Rudi Vansnick:welcome Jim and others of course ... sorry for myself being late Jim Galvin:The intent of the email address is to ensure contactability. Jim Galvin:However, there are practical issues, as you note Chris Peter Green (CONAC):Sorry for being late too, lose connectivity Rudi Vansnick:Amr: +1 Wen Zhai:I'm terribly sorry that i am late. Rudi Vansnick:no problem Wen, welcome anyway Wen Zhai:Good evening to everyone. Amr Elsadr:Hi Wen Zhai. Wen Zhai:Good evening Amr. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hi :) Amr Elsadr:Looks like the RrSG/RySG are also trying to shift the cost to some easy to us automated solution. :) Amr Elsadr:*easy to use Rudi Vansnick:easy to use not equal to quality which is important in the context of value of the data to third parties Amr Elsadr:Yes Rudi. Certainly. :) Rudi Vansnick:i would propose we clearly indicate there are free tools but without any guarantee Amr Elsadr:I believe the answer to question 50 is out of scope of this PDP. We're only chartered to determine wether it's desirable to transform, not how. Jim Galvin:+1 Amr Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 Amr for the translation part Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:but for the cost , i do think it's not really about fee, but the liabilities Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:i mean not only about fee, but also the liabilities Rudi Vansnick:@Pitinan : you're right ... fee is less critical then the translated value Jim Galvin:I think the issue the RrSG/RySG are getting at is the feasibility of doing it, which is mostly out of scope for us but I do think we get to speak to this issue generally. Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Agreed, but limiting our answer to why we believe it is desirable or not. Jennifer Chung:+1 Jim Amr Elsadr:@Pitinan: +1 Jim Galvin:A characteristic of "desirable" is whether or not it is feasible. Amr Elsadr:Yes, Jim. Absolutely. :) Jim Galvin:That's the level at which we get to speak to the question of "how". Amr Elsadr:That's what I meant in my response to Chris. :) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:for #51, I think 1. yes the validity translation will need people, at least for many years for now. 2. and the tranformed address need to be agreeed by the Data Owner --> registrant Sara Bockey:+1 Rudi Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 with Rudi, and +1 with Amr earlier with the focus on 'who should decide' Rudi Vansnick:maybe it is something we need to put in the beginning of our report information Rudi Vansnick:no comments ;-) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:I start to think it's really no point transforming. because:If we need it unofficially, then it could be easily transformed by free tool without guarantee. And If we need it officially, then we need the validated one, in whatever lanauge. Amr Elsadr:Was disconnected for a minute, but wanted to support Rudi's last comment. If a policy recommendation we make required contracted parties to send registrant contact data to 3rd parties conflicts with some local privacy laws, this might prove problematic. Another good reason why transformation may be undesirable. :) Amr Elsadr:Sending could also mean cross-boarder transfer of data. From jurisdictions with higher data privacy laws to others with lower ones. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 with Amr , interesting issue Amr Elsadr:This is an ongoing issue with the implementation of the "thick" whois policy. Amr Elsadr:There is an ongoing legal review being performed. Amr Elsadr:I think withholding consent is refering to publication of the transformed data. Amr Elsadr:This is another policy question that needs to be answered, but not by this PDP. Rudi Vansnick:refers back to the previous points ... and if today the WHOIS is changed there are also updates done Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Technically we could add to their responsibilites, but they obviously don't want us to. I don't want us to either, in the absence of good reasons why we should. Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: +1 Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 Amr Jim Galvin:@Amr +1 - I would add that the change needs to be logged and tracked. Jim Galvin:@Chris - validating the transformation is reasonable but that's a different thing then what is referred to here. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:@Jim, only if there is some standard way of transforming Jim Galvin:Yes, I meant "a reasonable topic for discussion" not that I meant it was reasonable to do. :-) Amr Elsadr:Ah. Thanks Jim. :) Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:i c Howard Li:thank you! Sara Bockey:Thank you Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thank you all Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. Jim Galvin:Thanks! Bye! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:bye Wanawit Ahkuputra GAC:Sawasdee Chris Dillon:Goodbye all. Rudi Vansnick:goodbye till next week Peter Green (CONAC):bye all

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RE: REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 26 February 2015 at 14:00 UTC
by Dillon, Chris Feb. 26, 2015

Feb. 26, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find below the agenda for tomorrow's meeting. Basically we're starting where we stopped in the review tool in Singapore, but you're also welcome to pick up things before row 41. Draft agenda 1. Welcome 2. Roll call 3. Statements of interest 4. Public comment review tool (V4)<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890230/Public%20comment%…> esp. row 41 onwards 5. AOB Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: owner-ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org [mailto:owner-ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Terri Agnew Sent: 25 February 2015 14:06 To: ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Subject: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 26 February 2015 at 14:00 UTC Dear All, Please note new Toll numbers for Japan The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 26 February 2015 at 1400 UTC 06:00 PST, 09:00 EST, 14:00 London, 15:00 CET For other places see: http://tinyurl.com/phanl7f Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/ Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. Please confirm your dial-out requests GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> _____________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CONTACT Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7878-2631 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-6868-2631 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL): 52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 0800-002066 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew

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Agenda and Public Review Tool V2
by Lars Hoffmann Feb. 11, 2015

Feb. 11, 2015

Dear all, Attached is an updated version of the review tool. In addition to the correction of typos, I added a column indicating whether a comment is ‘new’, i.e. raising an issue/argument that the group has not considered before; or posing a question that needs consideration. I talked about this with the Co-Chairs who agreed that this might make the Group’s review of the comments more efficient during Wednesday’s meeting. Where appropriate I have underlined the specific ‘new’ sections. In case of doubt, I have marked issues as new. This does not mean that the issues marked ’N’ should not be reviewed by the Group at a later stage or are in any way less valid. It is only meant as a facilitation tool to allow for the most efficient review of the most important issues during Wednesday's F2F meeting. Please note that we are meeting in ‘Hullet’ and that the Adobe Connect Room for the Meeting will be https://icann.adobeconnect.com/sin52-hullet. Best wishes. Lars Proposed Agenda: F2F Meeting of the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG Wednesday 11 February 2015, 7:30am-9:00am SGT – check local times here: http://bit.ly/1z13pO9 1. Roll Call/SOIs 2. Status Update 3. Discuss Comment Review Tool 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB https://icann.adobeconnect.com/sin52-hullet

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Remort Participation
by Lars Hoffmann Feb. 10, 2015

Feb. 10, 2015

Dear all, For those that have not travelled to Singapore and would like to join out meeting that has just started please go to: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/sin52-hullet Best wishes. Lars

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Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Comment Review Tool
by Dillon, Chris Feb. 3, 2015

Feb. 3, 2015

Dear Lars, Many thanks and safe trip everyone. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Amr Elsadr <aelsadr(a)egyptig.org<mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org>> Date: Tuesday, 3 February 2015 17:08 To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Comment Review Tool Thanks Lars. Amr On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, Please find attached the public comment review tool, collating the submissions received - see also: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-transliteration-contact-initial-16dec…. We will start discussing these in Singapore during our face-to-face meeting taking place: Wednesday, 11 February at 7.30am in the Hullet Room. A separate calendar invite will follow. Very best wishes, safe travels and see you all - or at least most of you - in Singapore. Lars <Public comment review tool T&T Initial Report V1.doc>

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Comment Review Tool
by Lars Hoffmann Feb. 3, 2015

Feb. 3, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached the public comment review tool, collating the submissions received see also: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-transliteration-contact-initial-16dec1 4/. We will start discussing these in Singapore during our face-to-face meeting taking place: Wednesday, 11 February at 7.30am in the Hullet Room. A separate calendar invite will follow. Very best wishes, safe travels and see you all or at least most of you in Singapore. Lars

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Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting on Thurs. 29 Jan.
by Dillon, Chris Feb. 3, 2015

Feb. 3, 2015

Dear colleagues, Please find the draft agenda for Thursday's meeting at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/29+January+2015 Incidentally, we have now received three comments. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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