May 2014 - Gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg

Actions: PDP WG on Translation/Transliteration of Contact Info
by Julie Hedlund June 12, 2014

June 12, 2014

Dear PDP WG members, Please see below the actions from our meeting on 06 February. These also are posted to the wiki page at:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/06+February+2014. Actions: 1. Ching Chao will convey to the Council the PDP WG's request to get an agenda item on the Council meeting on 27 February so that the WG can bring to the Council its request for input. 2. Proposed Questions: Ask WG members to continue to suggest refinements on the list and the wiki. Question 1 -- ADD: What is the definition of translation and transliteration? Questions 3 & 4: Consider whether there are related questions or links to existing information. > 1. What is contact information (review and expand on the taxonomies)? > > 2. Why are we doing this?; is this particular feature necessary? > > 3. Who gets access to what? > > 4. Who are the stakeholders?; who is affected? and what do they want (linking > back to What)? > > 5. How much would a particular feature cost and how to weigh the costs versus > the benefits? > > 6. When would policy come into effect? > > 7. What should be mandatory? Best regards, Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director

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REMINDER: PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session
by Nathalie Peregrine June 5, 2014

June 5, 2014

Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of "real work" that needs be done. The agenda is flexible. The presenters will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are Thursday 8 May at 20.00 UTC Thursday 5 June at 12.00 UTC Thursday 3 July at 20.00 UTC Thursday 7 August at 12.00 UTC Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC To convert to your local time zone, please see <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. If you are interested to join the next meeting on 8 May or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know ( <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs(a)icann.org) and we will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! Nathalie Peregrine GNSO Secretariat

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 29 May 2014
by Terri Agnew May 29, 2014

May 29, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 29 May at 1300 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140529-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140529-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jennifer Chung - RySG Chris Dillon – NCSG Ephraim Percy Kenyanito – NCUC Zhang Zuan (Peter Green) – NCUC Peter Dernbach – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Justine Chew - Individual Apologies: Rudi Vansnick – NPOC ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Amy Bivins Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 29 May 2014: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call on Thursday 29 May 2014 Peter Green-CONAC:Hi, Terri Peter Green-CONAC:sorry Chris Dillon:Hello all Peter Green-CONAC:Hi Chris Julie Hedlund:Hello everyone! Jennifer Chung:Hi All Terri Agnew:Tony Holmes has joined audio Julie Hedlund:All -- I have unsynced the document so you can move it yourselves. Terri Agnew:Tony Holmes has disconnected from audio Julie Hedlund:I will defer to Jim. Peter Dernbach:Hi All. Apologies for joining late. Julie Hedlund:@Chris: Yes, that is correct. Terri Agnew:Peter, I have added you to attendance list Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I have reflected the change in the document. EPHRAIM PERCY KENYANITO:Apologies for coming late Terri Agnew:Ephraim, I have added you to attendance list Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I have added to the document that they are suggesting a demand-oriented approach. Petter Rindforth:Fully agre - here is a large "grey zone" Chris Dillon:http://blog.icann.org/2014/03/a-model-for-exploring-whois-accuracy/ Julie Hedlund:@Chris: If I share my screen then I will not be able to see the chat room. Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47265584/EWG%20IRD.… Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I have added these questions for consideration on the page at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/4+Proposed+Questions+and+Taxon… Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I actually added all of them for now in case others have comments on them. Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Peter Dernbach:Thank you Chris, Julie and everyone! Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thank you all! Chris Dillon:Goodbye all! Jim Galvin:bye thanks@ Peter Green-CONAC:Bye

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 22 May 2014
by Nathalie Peregrine May 22, 2014

May 22, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 22 May at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140522-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Pitinan Kooarmornpatana - GAC Petter Rindforth – IPC Jennifer Chung - RySG Chris Dillon – NCSG Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Ephraim Percy Kenyanito - Apologies: Peter Dernbach – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Zhang Zuan – NCUC Wolf-Ulrich Knoben - ISPCP ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Amy Bivins Lars Hoffmann Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 22 May 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call on Thursday 22 May 2014 Chris Dillon:Hello Julie, Nathalie & Pitinan! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello all! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hello all Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hello all Rudi Vansnick:hello every one ... still having problems with nose and eyes due to pollen Julie Hedlund:Hello everyone! Petter Rindforth:Hi there! Chris Dillon:Hello Rudi, pollen horrendous in London too! Jennifer Chung:Hi everyone Rudi Vansnick:can not be fully operational ... need to let my eyes rest every 2-3 hours ... Julie Hedlund:All -- I have unsynced the document so you can move it yourselves. Rudi Vansnick:googledocs eventually Rudi Vansnick:i think it would be good just to proceed with the comments which will be in the document for review for next call ... Rudi Vansnick:we need to have a quorum for validation Lars Hoffmann:@rudi - this could also be done on the wiki Julie Hedlund:@Rudi: We (staff) don't have access to Google docs also. Lars Hoffmann:@chris - we can allow everybody to access the wiki. Lars Hoffmann: - or staff can do it. Julie Hedlund:@Rudi -- If we need to track changes we also can use Word for that. Rudi Vansnick:ok no problem to me Rudi Vansnick:oh sorry to hear Julie Petter Rindforth:Perfect Rudi Vansnick:i would also think about putting Y but conditional Julie Hedlund:@Chris -- I will make the change in the document. Rudi Vansnick:raining here also ... but still no thunderstorm Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:it should be single point of transform / validation .. for each country Rudi Vansnick:a lot of progress accomplished, well done Chris Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:great work Chris :) Rudi Vansnick:deadline 29 May ! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:29 May Rudi Vansnick:otherwise we will have problems in preparing report for London Jennifer Chung:+1 Petter Rindforth:+1 Rudi Vansnick:Michele is still working on with his colleages Rudi Vansnick:i had last week contact with Michele Rudi Vansnick:as we have to put now forwad the deadline of 29 Mauy we can insist in having their comments Julie Hedlund:@Chris and Rudi: Please note that the WG should provide an update on its progress to the GNSO Council in London Rudi Vansnick:indeed Julie .. Ubolthip Sethakaset:+1 Rudi Vansnick:should we move it to friday ? Julie Hedlund:@Rudi -- Is it possible that people will take Friday as a holiday too? Rudi Vansnick:ok .. Petter Rindforth:No problem for me to keep it on Th Rudi Vansnick:next one is June 5 Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:i'm ok with Thursday Julie Hedlund:@Chris -- I think it is best if we keep the meeting time consistent. Rudi Vansnick:OK Petter Rindforth:Fully agree - let*s try to keep it Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:agree Jennifer Chung:agreed Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Rudi Vansnick:thanks to all and till next week bye Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thank you all! Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thank you Chris, see you all next week Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:bye Chris Dillon:Thank you all

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NAF use of WHOIS
by Lars Hoffmann May 22, 2014

May 22, 2014

Dear WG members, Following Petter¹s question, I reached out to Kristine Dorrain from the National Arbitration Forum. She confirmed that the NAF does indeed use the WHOIS data, but they only copy-paste the information as displayed in the WHOIS. So to them it is irrelevant whether the information is accurate and/or in Latin or any other script. You will find our conversation in full below. I hope this helps - Best wishes, Lars From: <Dorrain>, Kristine Date: Thursday 22 May 2014 16:35 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund(a)icann.org> Subject: RE: Not IRTP related ... Yes, that¹s correct. We copy and paste the text in the Whois fieldsregardless of script. Note that the primary service of the complaint now is email, so the only thing sent via mail or fax is a notice. From: Lars Hoffmann [mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:15 AM To: Dorrain, Kristine Cc: Julie Hedlund Subject: Re: Not IRTP related ... HI Kristine thank you for the quick response so, assuming there was a non-Latin script WHOIS, you would serve that address (say in chinese). And if there was also a translation or transliteration of the address you would serve that too but without verifying to what extent (if at all) the translation is correct? I think that is all the Group requires at this time. Thank you again so much for your help with this! Best wishes, Lars From: <Dorrain>, Kristine Date: Thursday 22 May 2014 15:45 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund(a)icann.org> Subject: RE: Not IRTP related ... Hi Lars: Yes, all of the Policies require us to serve the information listed in the Whois. That information is considered to be ³the registrant/the respondent.² We do not verify accuracy at all. If a Whois record says Mickey Mouse, address 1234 Main Street, that¹s the respondent according to the UDRP/URS etc. If a registrar or registry were to notify us when we request the domain name lock that there is another contact information for Respondent (billing information under UDRP, a removal of a privacy service, etc) we will serve that information as well. The URS does not require thatit only requires that we serve the information in the Whois, but we take the extra step to prevent problems with service due to Whois inaccuracies a Registrar was trying to fix. I¹m happy to do a deeper dive if needed, or make a guest appearance on your next call. Best, Kristine From: Lars Hoffmann [mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:34 AM To: Dorrain, Kristine Cc: Julie Hedlund Subject: Not IRTP related ... Hi Kristine, I hope all is well! I am supporting the PDP WG on Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information. And the WG members are wondering whether and if so, how, NAF is using WHOIS to contact registrants that are party to disputes (under any of the ICANN dispute resolution policies). And if NAF contacts registrants, to what extent do you/can you/ do you need to verify the accuracy of WHOIS information? Many thanks for your help with this and best wishes, Lars

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Responses to the complete overview table
by Rudi Vansnick May 15, 2014

May 15, 2014

Dear all, During the call of May 5 we have been working on the overview table put together by staff (Lars & Julie : many thanks) and ended up at nbr 9. Chris Dillon has put the responses and recommended actions together, which you can find below. Record 1 WG Response: It may be necessary to confirm that the second use of “English” refers to a transliteration to the Latin alphabet. Recommended Action: Confirm we have understood correctly Answer: Y Record 2 WG Response: A future IRDS will contain contact information in non-ASCII scripts. Recommended Action: How do they see this being implemented in each member state? Answer: N/A Record 3 WG Response: The option using scripts representable in the current WHOIS is undesirable, as it could only cope with a strange subset of languages. The option linking WHOIS to non-ASCII systems is undesirable as it would be implemented differently locally and could end up becoming a poor long-term solution. Recommended Action: A new IRDS as soon as possible. Answer: Y Record 4 WG Response: none Recommended Action: none Answer: Y Record 5 WG Response: A future IRDS will contain contact information in non-ASCII scripts. Recommended Action: How do they see this being implemented in each member state? Answer: N/A Record 6 WG Response: It is important to note that policy cannot contradict the 2013 RAA. Recommended Action: Answer: N Record 7 WG Response: Recommended Action: (No answer row, as they are not and SO or AC.) Record 8 WG Response: This WG has not stated that validation or transformation is tightly related to the role of government. The economy of a single registry system is noted. Recommended Action: Answer: Y Record 9 WG Response: Most members of this WG believe that validation should be done on data in the original language and script. Recommended Action: Answer: Y I would propose we work on the table during the coming days through email, with the same structure as Chris had put above. If possible we should at least try to have input up to Issue 5 - nbr 26. We will collect all the reactions and will have a discussion on them during the next call (next week). Hope to see you all next call. Rudi Vansnick

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 08 May 2014
by Terri Agnew May 8, 2014

May 8, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 08 May at 1300 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140508-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140508-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jennifer Chung - RySG Peter Green – NCUC Ephraim Percy Kenyanito – NCUC Chris Dillon – NCSG Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Mae Suchayapim Siriwat – GAC Wanawit Ahkuputra – GAC Apologies: Peter Dernbach – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Amr Elsadr – NCUC Julie Hedlund - Staff ICANN staff: Amy Bivins Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 08 May 2014: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG call on Thursday 08 May 2014 Rudi Vansnick:thanks Terri Chris Dillon:Hello Rudi! Hello all Rudi Vansnick:hi Chris, i will probably be very silent, got a serious cold and a very low voice level Rudi Vansnick:will type my comments in the chat Chris Dillon:Sorry to hear that, Rudi. Get well soon. Terri Agnew:I hope your feeling better soon Rudi Rudi Vansnick:thanks ... i hope so ... Rudi Vansnick:i met Lars last week in Brussels Rudi Vansnick:i'm available next week Rudi Vansnick:will be in good shape next week ! Rudi Vansnick:it becomes a problem having too many calls in one week Jennifer Chung:Hi everyone. Hope you feel better soon, Rudi! Rudi Vansnick:thanks Jennifer Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/08+May+2014 Peter:Hi Peter:Peter Green Terri Agnew:Welcome Ephraim Ephraim Percy Kenyanito:thanks Terry Ephraim Percy Kenyanito:*Terri Petter Rindforth:I presume that we at this stage cannot expect any further responses? Rudi Vansnick:i know the registrars have some discussions going on Rudi Vansnick:i did not get input back from Michele Rudi Vansnick:will go again for it tomorrow Terri Agnew:Welcome Mae Mae Suchayapim Siriwat:HI.. sorry for late Terri Agnew:Welcome Wanawit Rudi Vansnick:i see no direct action neither Rudi Vansnick:here we have to be carefull Rudi Vansnick:here is a missing parameter : would it be task of Registry only (WHOIS) or also Registrars responsibility Rudi Vansnick:i will add comments to the doc after this call Rudi Vansnick:suggestion : official local language Rudi Vansnick:limitation Petter Rindforth:agree with that Rudi Vansnick:i do not see the validation being a responsibility of registry/registrar Rudi Vansnick:in response to the EU Rudi Vansnick:ALAC will be difficult ! Rudi Vansnick:Summit Rudi Vansnick:i will chair the next meeting Rudi Vansnick:and continue the work Chris did today Rudi Vansnick:thanks Chris ... and many thanks to Lars too Jennifer Chung:Thanks all, good bye. Mae Suchayapim Siriwat:thank you and bye Peter Green:Bye all Ephraim Percy Kenyanito:thanks Chris Dillon:Goodbye all

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Community input review
by Lars Hoffmann May 6, 2014

May 6, 2014

Dear Working Group members, Please find attached the community input review document (.pdf and .doc) to facilitate the WG¹s reviews of the comments and to serve as a guide for forthcoming discussion. I have also uploaded the document to the website, see: Best wishes, Lars

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 01 May 2014
by Terri Agnew May 5, 2014

May 5, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 01 May at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140501-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jennifer Chung - RySG Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC Peter Green – NCUC Peter Dernbach – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Ephraim Percy Kenyanito – NCUC Chris Dillon – NCSG Wolf Ulrich Knoben – ISPC Justin Chew - Individual Apologies: None ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Amy Bivins Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 01 May 2014: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG call on Thursday 01 May 2014 Chris Dillon:Hello all! Petter Rindforth:Hi! Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:hello all. i am at low speed connection might be chopped in and out. Terri Agnew:Pitinan, thank you for letting us know Julie Hedlund:@Wolf-Ulrich: I will put the stock taking document on the wiki. wolf knoben:thanks Julie Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:sorry.. i wasnt disagree Julie Hedlund:@Wolf-Ulrich it now is posted at: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/4+Proposed+Questions+and+Taxon…. Julie Hedlund:At the top of the page Julie Hedlund:@Chris: If you can send me the link I can bring up the document in the wiki. Chris Dillon:www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/ird-interim-14apr14-en.htm. Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I am loading it now. Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I have unsynced the document. Julie Hedlund:All: The Interim Report now is on the wiki at https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/7+Studies+and+Background+Docum… under the EWG on IRD. Peter Dernbach:Thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana 2:thanks Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Jennifer Chung:thanks all Chris Dillon:Goodbye all!

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