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Webinar Info
by Lars Hoffmann Jan. 14, 2015

Jan. 14, 2015

Dear all, Just a quick reminder that Chris and Rudi with support from staff will run a 30min webinar on the findings of our Initial Report. You are very welcome to join and are strongly encouraged to disseminate the link below among your respective groups. Webinar Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP: Initial Report Friday 16 January 2015 14:00 UTC for other times see http://tinyurl.com/pnjhsf7 More info and sign up: http://gnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-09jan15-en.htm Very best wishes, Lars PS: The next WG call will take place Thursday 22 January 2015 at 14:00 UTC more information on that will follow.

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T&T activities over the next couple of weeks
by Dillon, Chris Jan. 8, 2015

Jan. 8, 2015

Dear colleagues, Happy New Year! As there have been no public comments so far, I would like to cancel our meetings tomorrow (Jan. 8) and on Jan. 15, and have a webinar on Monday 19th at 15:00 UTC (tentative date/time). The current agenda for the webinar is at the bottom of this email. You are most welcome to make suggestions for improving it by 23:59 UTC tomorrow Jan. 8. Two other things: 1. Face-to-face meeting in Singapore The current intention is to have a closed meeting, use Doodle to maximize attendance and invite people from outside the WG. 2. Charter question 2 Especially if our main recommendation were to change to pro-mandatory transformation, we would need a detailed answer to the second question in our charter: "Who should decide who should bear the burden [of] translating contact information to a single common language or transliterating contact information to a single common script." Answers that have come up during our discussions have included: - Registrants, registrars and/or registries - Whoever benefits from the provision of a transformation service More detailed suggestions are welcome and would be likely to strengthen the case for mandatory transformation. With all good wishes for 2015, Regards, Chris. Draft webinar agenda 1. Welcome 2. Background to the WG 3. Discussion in the Group a. SO/AC outreach and feedback b. Gathering of arguments c. Straw man d. Initial Report without consensus call 4. Recommendations a. #1-#6 b. Pertinence of Charter question 2 5. Next steps a. Public Comment Period b. Face-to-face meeting in Singapore c. Time line for Final Report 6. AOB a. WG open to everybody b. Confirmation of next call c. Q&A -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Query about the closing date for comments on our Initial Report?
by Emily Taylor Jan. 7, 2015

Jan. 7, 2015

Hi there One of the RrSG has pointed out a discrepancy in the closing dates for comments to our Initial Report for the Translation and Transliteration PDP (see below). Please can you help us understand the correct deadline? Thanks Emily ----- There is a discrepancy in the posted timeframes for the comment period deadline: The original announcement states 11 January 2015 for comments and 1 February 2015 for the reply period: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-12-16-en The public comment page states 1 February 2015 for comments with no reply period. https://www.icann.org/public-comments/transliteration-contact-initial-2014-… This may be related to ICANN adopting a new process for public comments which removes the ‘reply period’ in favour of a longer comment period and things got mixed up with the posting. It would be useful to understand which is the correct deadline. Is this something you could ask of staff on behalf of the WG. -- Emily Taylor *MA(Cantab), MBA* Director *Netistrar Ltd *- Domain Names at Trade Prices W: http://www.netistrar.com | M: 07540 049322 | T: 01283 617808 Repton House, Bretby Business Park, Bretby, Derbyshire, DE15 0YZ Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332

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FYI Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information Policy Development Process Working Group Public Comment invitation
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 24, 2014

Dec. 24, 2014

Dear colleagues, FYI After last week's call during which we discussed the letter that the Fédération Internationale des Conseils en Propriété Intellectuelle sent us in April, I email'd them picking up a few things and asking if they wanted to make further comments. Anyway, the correspondence is at the bottom of: https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/13+Community+Input including the original letter. My email is also below. Enjoy the holiday season! Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: <Dillon>, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Date: Monday, 22 December 2014 10:41 To: "julian.crump(a)ficpi.org<mailto:julian.crump@ficpi.org>" <julian.crump(a)ficpi.org<mailto:julian.crump@ficpi.org>> Cc: Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick(a)isoc.be<mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be>>, Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>>, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund(a)icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> Subject: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information Policy Development Process Working Group Public Comment invitation Dear Mr Crump, The Working Group would like to thank the Fédération Internationale des Conseils en Propriété Intellectuelle for its comments dated 9 April 2014 in response to the Working Group's questionnaire (see the copy on the ICANN wiki: http://bit.ly/1zb8Lpi) The Working Group needed to treat your comments as public comments, as the Federation is not a member of the Working Group, and so is only now able to address them. The Working Group discussed the comments during its meeting on December 18 2014. Broadly speaking, they support the arguments assembled by the Working Group for mandatory transformation in the Working Group's initial report: www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-12-16-en<http://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-12-16-en> The Working Group found that some parts of the comments were not clear: - The phrase "From a legal point of view" is used, but it is not clear which jurisdictions are being referred to. - Why should the burden of transformation be divided between the registrants and the registrar? - Why should the cost be divided between registries and registrars? We would like to invite you to answer these questions that your contribution has raised within the Group and to encourage you to submit a new comment by the 1 February deadline. Thanking you again for your contribution and in advance for any further comments, Regards, Chris Dillon. (Co-Chair, Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information Policy Development Process Working Group) -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 18 December 2014
by Terri Agnew Dec. 18, 2014

Dec. 18, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 18 December at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20141218-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20141218-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Jim Galvin - RySG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Wanawit Ahkuputra – GAC Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Apologies: Justine Chew – Individual Petter Rindforth – IPC Wen Zhai- NTAG Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – ISPCP Peter Dernbach- IPC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Glen de Saint Gery Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 18 December 2014: Terri Agnew: Dear all, Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG call on 18 December 2014 Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Chris Dillon:Hello everyone Lars Hoffmann:hello all. here is a link to the public comment forum. if you care to share with your community (or retweet from @icann_gnso - https://www.icann.org/public-comments/transliteration-contact-initial-2014-… Amr Elsadr:Lars, are you admitting your association with @icann_gnso? ;-) Lars Hoffmann:definitely not. i just saw it on there :) Amr Elsadr::-D Lars Hoffmann:it was first announced in london apparently (to phase out the reply period) Lars Hoffmann:Thanks Amr - that is a great catch and must be something that web-admin overlooked. i will ask them to insert a hyperlink right away Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/13+Community+Input Amr Elsadr:@Chris: I'm sorry. I don't think I understand this point. Is there text somewhere I can read this? Amr Elsadr:Is this the FICPI document? Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Amr Elsadr:I find FICPI's remark on the legal requirement to be vague and questionable. Amr Elsadr:Same here Chris, but I'm having a hard time making sense of some of these responses. Amr Elsadr:@Chris: True, as well as some letters in nordic alphabets that aren't strictly ASCII. Amr Elsadr:They are both contractually required by the RAA, if I'm not mistaken. Amr Elsadr:Just questioning how "necessary" validation is. Amr Elsadr:Assuming there is internationized registration data in 12 months!! :) Amr Elsadr:I apologize. I mixed up the two questions. Amr Elsadr:Registries and registrars don't benefit from the transformation, so I don't see why they should bear the costs. Amr Elsadr:Agree with Michele. Amr Elsadr:My overall impression of FICPI's response is that they are largely uninformed on the reasoning behind what they are advocating. Apologies if that sounds like I'm patronizing them. Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/display/tatcipdp/Webinar Amr Elsadr:Well..., to be fair the public comment period has only just started. Amr Elsadr:OK. I don't mind holding a webinar for those purposes. Amr Elsadr:I didn't mean that I was volunteering to be a speaker. :) Lars Hoffmann:too late Amr Elsadr:What the?! :) Glen de Saint Gery:yes it will be! IANA and Accountability will take up all the space. Yes a 'private meeting will be easier to schedule Amr Elsadr:OK. Thanks Glen. Amr Elsadr:@Lars: Thanks. Yes. I meant the weekend sessions, not the public council meeting. Glen de Saint Gery:Would you like to do this on Saturday? will you be there on Saturday? Amr Elsadr:We would need to contact Volker who is organizing the agenda. Glen de Saint Gery:we could schedule an update on saturday afternoon? Lars Hoffmann:let's do that glen so we get it onto the agenda. i can contact volker and coordinate with glen and the co-chairs if that is ok. Amr Elsadr:@Lars @Glen: Thank you both very much. Amr Elsadr::) Amr Elsadr:Merry Christman all. God jul. Amr Elsadr:Bye. Jim Galvin:thanks and bye Jim Galvin:happy holidays to all Chris Dillon:Merry Christmas! Julie Hedlund:Happy Holidays Everyone and Happy New Year! Glen de Saint Gery:happy Holidays!

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RE: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 18 December 2014 14:00 UTC
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 18, 2014

Dec. 18, 2014

Dear Peter, Thank you for your email and recent input. Merry Christmas! Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Peter Dernbach [mailto:pdernbach@winklerpartners.com] Sent: 18 December 2014 13:29 To: Terri Agnew; Dillon, Chris Subject: Re: [ntfy-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] REMINDER: Meeting invitation: Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group Thursday 18 December 2014 14:00 UTC Hi Chris and Terri: Unfortunately, I was confused about the time of our call this week. I logged on an hour too early, and unfortunately have another conflict at the actual time, so please accept my apologies for missing today's call. I look forward to joining the next call. Peter [http://www.winklerpartners.com/Winkler-logo.gif]<http://www.winklerpartners.com/> Peter J.Dernbach 譚璧德 Partner 合夥律師(外國法事務律師) T 886 (0)2 2311 2345 # 222 F 886 (0)2 2311 2688 www.winklerpartners.com<http://www.winklerpartners.com> pdernbach(a)winklerpartners.com<mailto:pdernbach@winklerpartners.com> ________________________________ NOTICE: This email and any attachments contain private, confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or distribute the contents and are requested to delete them and to notify the sender. 本電子郵件及其附件含有私有、機密、依法受特別保護之資料，僅供意定之收件人使用。若您並非所意定之收件人，即不得予以使用、重製或散布，並請刪除其內容，並通知寄件人。 On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org<mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, The next Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 18 December 2014 at 1400 UTC 06:00 PST, 09:00 EST, 14:00 London, 1500 CET For other places see: http://tinyurl.com/pkcmywm Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnsocontactinfopdpwg/ Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ The dial-in details are below - please let me know if you require a dial-out. 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Kind regards, Terri Agnew

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RE: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Final version of initial report
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 13, 2014

Dec. 13, 2014

Dear Justine, Many thanks for your careful edits. They are much appreciated. With all best wishes for the holiday, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon From: Nathalie Peregrine [mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org] Sent: 13 December 2014 08:15 To: Justine Chew; Dillon, Chris Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Final version of initial report Dear Justine, Thank you for this, apology noted. Have a wonderful vacation! Nathalie From: Justine Chew <justine.chew(a)gmail.com<mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com>> Date: Saturday, December 13, 2014 at 5:04 AM To: Chris Dillon <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Final version of initial report Dear Chris, Please find attached an edited copy with my tracked edits and comments. As I am on my year end vacation as of today and am travelling to countryside India, I may not be able to join the WG calls till after the new year. Hence, I am conveying my apologies in advance. Thank you and kind regards, Justine Chew ----- On 12 December 2014 at 19:56, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon(a)ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> wrote: Dear all, Please find attached the final version of the Initial Report (the PDF) as well as a redline version (in Word format) that shows the edits since yesterday's call. The main changes are in Section 5, and, as you will see, a reference to the second Charter question as well as a request to the community to comment on Question 2 - regardless of their views on Question 1 - have been added. The goal is to publish the initial report for public comment on Monday, therefore, we would kindly ask you to supply any final proposed edits to the list no later than Monday 12:00 UTC. If we do not hear back we assume that you consent to the current version. Many thanks. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599<tel:%2B44%2020%207679%201599> (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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Final version of initial report
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 13, 2014

Dec. 13, 2014

Dear all, Please find attached the final version of the Initial Report (the PDF) as well as a redline version (in Word format) that shows the edits since yesterday's call. The main changes are in Section 5, and, as you will see, a reference to the second Charter question as well as a request to the community to comment on Question 2 - regardless of their views on Question 1 - have been added. The goal is to publish the initial report for public comment on Monday, therefore, we would kindly ask you to supply any final proposed edits to the list no later than Monday 12:00 UTC. If we do not hear back we assume that you consent to the current version. Many thanks. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 December 2014
by Terri Agnew Dec. 11, 2014

Dec. 11, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 December at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20141211-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20141211-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Jim Galvin - RySG Justine Chew – Individual Petter Rindforth – IPC Amr Elsadr – NCUC Emily Taylor – RrSG Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC Mae Suchayapim Siriwat – GAC Wanawit Ahkuputra – GAC Apologies: None ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 December 2014: Terri Agnew: Dear all, Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG call on 11 December 2014 Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Chris Dillon:Hi Amr Terri Agnew:Welcome Mae Suchayapim Siriwat Terri Agnew:Welcome Justine Chew Amr Elsadr:There's a spelling mistake on page 3. I can point that out on-list. Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Not a lot as far as I could tell. :) Emily Taylor:Chris - a small point, my name seems to have fallen off the list of participants. Jim Galvin:+1 to Amr suggestion Emily Taylor:+1 from me Amr Elsadr:Replace "not be qualified to check it" with: Emily Taylor:Thanks Chris - no problem. Version control always a nightmare! Amr Elsadr:lack the language skills to accurately validate the contact information. This could create unresolvable difficulties in fulfilling contractual requirements between registrants and registrars as well as between registrars and ICANN. Petter Rindforth:I'm ok when it comes to mandatory Amr Elsadr:Oh. I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about not mandatory!! :) Amr Elsadr:I lost track of where we are as I was typing my comment above. Help? :) Petter Rindforth:I want it to be in this initial report Amr Elsadr:@Jim: +1. The last bullet seems very speculative to me. Justine Chew 2:Can someone who supports mandatory position say something? Justine Chew 2:Does the 5th bullet point under non-mandatory counter address the last 2 bullet points under mandatory? Emily Taylor:Agree, Chris. It's a horrible term, and I don't think that its meaning is particularly clear even if you spell out the acronym. Emily Taylor:But it would be good if we just explain what we're talking about Amr Elsadr:@Justine: I don't think so. It only addresses the limitations of usefulness to language users, but not the issue of cross referencing and behaviour of bad actors. Justine Chew 2:@Chris, sure, thanks. Justine Chew 2:@Chris, @Amr: Thanks, just checking. Justine Chew 2:So I am happy Chris will look at this further. Emily Taylor:Think it is fairly expressed, Chris Amr Elsadr:@Emily: +1. If we want to make it clearer that we are seeking the public comment to better inform the consensus call, that could be added. Amr Elsadr:@Petter: I would like full consensus too, but we would need to identify a middle ground that does not involve mandatory transformation. Amr Elsadr:@Petter: We'd need your guidance and help on how that could be achieved. Petter Rindforth:I'll come back on that next year ;-) Amr Elsadr::-) Justine Chew 2:I support Jim's comment on "significant majority and distinct minority" Amr Elsadr:From a quantitative analysis perspective, "signifcant" is associated with statistical significant. No objection to removing the word. :-) Justine Chew 2:@Amr: Do we then get onto clear or absolute majority? Amr Elsadr:I don't mind just using majority and minority without the adjectives. Significant, the way we use it, seems rather subjective in its meaning. Petter Rindforth:I'm ok with "clear" if we have to add Jim Galvin:ok. thanks Chris for the clarity (splitting hairs). I get it Jim Galvin:i'm okay with dropping majority. Justine Chew 2:Drop the adjectives. Justine Chew 2:@Chris: LOL! Jim Galvin:close of business everywhere. :-) Amr Elsadr:@Jim: Very true. Amr Elsadr:We never really had that discussion. Jim Galvin:I have a hard stop today at the top of the hour. I will need drop off in just a couple minutes. Amr Elsadr:Chris..., you're breaking up on my end. Justine Chew 2:@Amr, @Jim, @Chris: I sort of recall some discussion taking place which reflect what Jim has said. But yes, that has not been included in this document. Amr Elsadr:Is anyone else having trouble with the AC room audio? Petter Rindforth:The tech guides for the AC room is not translated... ;-) Jim Galvin:I need to go. Are we meeting next week? Terri Agnew:Amr, please letme know and we can have the op dial out to you Julie Hedlund:I apologize everyone. I have to drop off for another call. Petter Rindforth:Good idea to keep the meeting next week, even if it will be a short one Justine Chew 2:@Chris: I have a formatting request, please change all references to "WG" and "Group" to "Working Group" for consistency sake? Amr Elsadr:Sorry. Was disconnected for a few minutes. Emily Taylor:Thanks Chris Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Amr Elsadr:Bye all. Chris Dillon:Goodbye everyone Petter Rindforth:Thanks and buy Peter Green （CONAC）:bye all Wanawit Ahkuputra:Bye all

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Initial report to be signed off on Thurs. 11
by Dillon, Chris Dec. 10, 2014

Dec. 10, 2014

Dear colleagues, Please find attached Version 7c. Don't worry if you have already comments about V7a as the body of this latest version is the same (except for some cosmetic changes). However, V7c has an Executive Summary. Looking forward to our meeting tomorrow. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Dillon, Chris Sent: 10 December 2014 11:30 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg(a)icann.org Subject: Initial report to be signed off on Thurs. 11 Importance: High Dear colleagues, Please find attached version 7a (you can see recent changes in the Word version; the PDF version is clean). The plan is: Deadlines * Sign off on Initial Report: Thursday 11 December WG call * Opening of Public Comment: Friday 12 December * Closing of Public Comment (6 weeks + 1 week to make up for holidays: 30 January 2015) Notes * This version contains only one set of recommendations (those for non-mandatory transformation); * We will not remove arguments for/against mandatory transformation from this or the final report; * In order best to encourage the strengthening and addition of arguments on both sides, there will be no consensus call until after the public comment period; * Nothing in the Initial Report is binding to us or prevents future changes/u-turns; * Public comments received will give us an idea of the community view on this issue and facilitate consensus building during the next phase. As usual your edits, suggestions and improvements are very welcome. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>

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