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- Proposed Agenda
by Steve Chan Sept. 23, 2014

Sept. 23, 2014

Dear WG Members, Below, please find the proposed agenda for the DMPM meeting on 23 Sept 2014. Proposed Agenda DMPM WG Meeting 23 September 2014 @ 20:00 UTC (60 Min): 1. Roll Call / Statements of Interest 2. Discuss framework for metrics requests from Contracted Parties 4. Discuss LA Meeting session 5. Discuss next steps and confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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MP3 DMPM - Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 20:00 UTC
by Terri Agnew Sept. 10, 2014

Sept. 10, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group call held on Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140909-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC Olivier Kouami – NPOC Jonathan Zuck – IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Marinel Rosca – Individual Pam Little – RySG Jeremy Beale- Independent Gabriel Vergara-NCUC Apologies: none ICANN staff: Amy Bivins Berry Cobb Steve Chan Brenda Brewer Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/ Wiki page : <https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag> https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 09 September 2014: Brenda Brewer:Welcome to the Data and Metrics for Policy Making Working Group on the 09th of September 2014 Marinel Rosca:Hello everybody Jeremy Beale:Hello - apologies for the long absence, I've been dealing with a family bereavement. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:so sorry to hear that Jeremy Jeremy Beale:Thanks Cheryl - it's meant many trips to Sydney,but not for pleasure unfortunately. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I trust the worst is over then... Jeremy Beale:Yep Terri Agnew:Gabriel Vergara has joined Gabriel Vergara:Hi sorrry .. im late Berry Cobb:I would just add that we will circle back to this document likely after LA /after our deliberations of the framework for contracted party data access. Graeme Bunton:Americans use the expression 'to table soemthing' backwards Gabriel Vergara:what about meassuring spammer phishers and registrars ratings? Gabriel Vergara:Tata my point if its private how to mine the right data Graeme Bunton:I'm not sure what you mean by measuring spam and phishing, Gabriel Graeme Bunton:Definitely worth looking into what can be done with already collected data Gabriel Vergara:Imean as an example how to filter to numbers which are the regitrars that have most domain owners that provide spam, or malicous software or bad behaviour... Gabriel Vergara:if data is anonymized Olevie::-) Graeme Bunton:I suspect that sort of investigation is outside most of the use cases we'd be looking into Gabriel Vergara:would be hard to pin point problems so when policy making the data has trhe right tools to taclke down Gabriel Vergara:would be hard to pin point problems so when policy making the data has trhe right tools to taclke down ' Gabriel Vergara:those problems Olevie:frm Lome Togo Pam Little:Here are our initial thoughts: Pam Little:1. Request for data should be non-discriminatory among registrars/registries.2. Request for data should clearly state that provision of such data is optional. 3. Request for data should clearly state the purposes for which the data will be used.4. Cost of providing the data should not be borne by the registrars/registries.5. Data provided should be treated as confidential, unless otherwise agreed by the data provider. 6. Data provided should be anonymized and aggregated, unless otherwise agreed by the data provider. 7. There should be safeguards to protect against unauthorized access or disclosure. 8. Data that has not been anonymized or aggregated should be destroyed promptly after completion of the purpose stated in the request. Graeme Bunton:Agreed with that Steve Pam Little:Agreed with Jonathan there. Pam Little:We need to show "what's in it for them". Berry Cobb:Abuse types of data are also often collected by 3rd parties like SpamHaus and other sources. Another part of our charter is to define a framework on how WG can access these types of external data as well to include a discussion around budgetary implications. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:sounds great Pam Berry Cobb:The LA Schedule is still in draft, but the Monday at 13:00 to 14:30 slot was requeted. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:why not both Cheryl Langdon-Orr:after if possible JeremyBeale:Not sure if my mic is working properly. But Graeme mentioned that one member said pricing should be off the agenda. This raises an important point for a self-regulatory body like ICANN - that it ensures that data requests do not cover data sharing that could be viewed as anti-competitive or trust-promoting in effect. Berry Cobb:If we turn down Monday, then Thurs AM is the only other option Berry Cobb:Affirmative Graeme Bunton:Wednesday? Berry Cobb:Wed we have conflicts with GNSO Council meeting and other WGs Cheryl Langdon-Orr:what is the Monday time slot berry? Berry Cobb:13:-- - 14:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx Berry Cobb:13:00 Berry Cobb:We can also do "sales for attendance" on the weekend GNSO sessions. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup Olevie:ok Berry Cobb:Next WG meeting 23 Sept at 20:00 UTC Marinel Rosca:thank you Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye all Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx

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Framework for requesting data from contracted parties
by Pam Little Sept. 9, 2014

Sept. 9, 2014

Hi All, As discussed during today's call, Andrew and I are seeking input from members of the Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG). Below are the examples of some high-level principles and a question we posted to the RySG's mailing list. We will certainly share with this group any feedback and comments received. Kind regards, Pam --- Examples: 1. Request for data should be non-discriminatory among registrars/registries. 2. Request for data should clearly state that provision of such data is optional. 3. Request for data should clearly state the purposes for which the data will be used. 4. Cost of providing the data should not be borne by the registrars/registries. 5. Data provided should be treated as confidential, unless otherwise agreed by the data provider. 6. Data provided should be anonymized and aggregated, unless otherwise agreed by the data provider. 7. There should be safeguards to protect against unauthorized access or disclosure. 8. Data that has not been anonymized or aggregated should be destroyed promptly after completion of the purpose stated in the request. Question: Is there any data that should not be provided to ICANN directly or indirectly (i.e., should be collected and processed by a third-party independent service provider)?

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- Joint DNS Security and Stability Analysis WG (DSSA-WG)
by Steve Chan Sept. 5, 2014

Sept. 5, 2014

Dear WG Members, Attached, please find an extract from the Joint DNS Security and Stability Analysis WG (DSSA-WG). One area of focus for the group was the handling of sensitive data within a proposed security framework. This work may be leveraged in thinking about how data can be shared by Contracted Parties. I encourage the group to review and provide comments. Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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Proposed Agenda
by Steve Chan Sept. 5, 2014

Sept. 5, 2014

WG Members, Please find below the proposed agenda for our DMPM meeting on 9 Sept 2014. Attached is a draft of the Issue Report guide which we will review in our session. Please feel free to review it and provide additional input on the mail list prior to the meeting. We will spend the second half of the call brainstorming on how data might be requested from Contracted Parties to aid in the policy development process. Proposed Agenda DMPM WG Meeting 9 September 2014 @ 20:00 UTC (60 Min): 1. Roll Call / Statements of Interest 2. Review Issue Report Guide - Draft 3. Discuss metrics requests from Contracted Parties 4. Discuss LA Meeting session 5. Discuss next steps and confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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MP3 DMPM - Tuesday 19 August 2014 at 20:00 UTC
by Nathalie Peregrine Aug. 20, 2014

Aug. 20, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group call held on Tuesday 19 August 2014 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140819-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC Jonathan Zuck – IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Marinel Rosca – Individual Andrew Merriam – RySG Pam Little – RySG Tony Onorato - Individual Apologies: none ICANN staff: Berry Cobb Steve Chan Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/ Wiki page : <https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag> https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 19 August 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Data and Metrics for Policy Making Working Group on the 19th of August 2014 Graeme Bunton:3:58, giv'er a couple Marinel Rosca:Hello Graeme Bunton:a degree in ICANN? Graeme Bunton:could you IMAGINE? Graeme Bunton:makes sense to me Tony Onorato:makes sense to me Marinel Rosca:I am ok with the idea Pam Little:Idon't think we can anticipate every scenario. Pam Little:We are trying to develop a framework. Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:I agree Pam we can do ptinipals though Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:should read principles Tony Onorato:to an extent this might be dealt with by having both a quantitative and qualitative section Tony Onorato:to any "survey", I should say Tony Onorato:sorry -- just hung up -- will call back Tony Onorato:i'm back Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:can't get it WHEN asked for it may be able to b got at another point in time Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:;- Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:phew Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:I love hats Graeme Bunton:can you count discrete occurences of the issue Tony Onorato:Yes, I would have Tony Onorato:NP Berry Cobb:writing them down. :-) Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:your trying t get ME t be practical! surely not !!! Pam Little:I agree with Jonathan. Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Yes base line data can be best guessed (often)and be used as baseline so IN the IR Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:YES Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Berry then the IR identifies that the data is desirable but needs to be outsourced J:But why can't staff outsource it? Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:in some cses thay could, if it is within existing resource allocations and in some cases it would be a yes but it will take 6 months to get it from someone Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:in some case you might need to ask for EOI's from consuktants etc., Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:they could identify that it NEEDS to be done in some cases where the aquisition is problomatic or out of 'current' reach Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:agree Berry but it could be in the IR to identify that the data on yur exampler of expiry dates will need to be sourced if desirable by a non internal ICANN method Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:and then resourced as required when it can be Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:exactly Pam Berry Cobb:Agreed. But visability only goes as far as submissions to ICANN Compliance. Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:and this will continue to be a changing landsxape where of course a part of ICANN can also use the identifiable data desires from IR's as reason to update or better modify their internal data collection and reporting methods Pam Little:yes Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:IGF Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:skip to 9th is fine NOT the 26th auOGF is on and I am busy Graeme Bunton:Probably Berry Cobb:copy that. Berry Cobb:Thank you everyone. Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:all good thanks al talk on the 9th more then... Marinel Rosca:Thank you Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:bye

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Proposed Agenda
by Steve Chan Aug. 18, 2014

Aug. 18, 2014

WG Members, Please find below the proposed agenda for our DMPM meeting tomorrow. Attached is the next version of our use case analysis matrix which we will review in our session. It now contains an update to the summary table with better highlights of the use case results and it also includes a new column that defines possible solutions to each of the outcomes we identified. We will spend the second half of the call discussing the Issue Report and begin a brain storm exercise on how it can be enhanced for better promotion of metrics in issue identification. Proposed Agenda DMPM WG Meeting 19 August 2014 @ 20:00 UTC (60 Min): 1. Roll Call / Statements of Interest 2. Review Use Case Analysis Compilation 3. Discuss metrics requirements for Issue Reports 4. Discuss next steps and confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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FW: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] For your review - updated flow charts
by Berry Cobb Aug. 12, 2014

Aug. 12, 2014

DMPM Members, Please see the thread below. In our previous call, we've discussed coordinating our efforts with that of the Policy & Implementation WG. You find attach a DRAFT of the process swim lanes they are developing. I just wanted to share these with your for your information. As noted in the call, staff will continue to monitor the development of their efforts and highlight areas that may compliment both WGs. Thank you. B Berry A. Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 720.839.5735 mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb From: owner-gnso-policyimpl-wg(a)icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-policyimpl-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika Konings Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 14:58 To: gnso-policyimpl-wg(a)icann.org Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-wg] For your review - updated flow charts Dear All, Following our call last week, please find attached the updated flow charts of the proposed additional GNSO processes that aim to reflect the WGs view on a number of items such as the voting thresholds for the PGP and PIP, as well as an additional chart outlining a possible fast track PDP. If you have any additional comments / questions, please feel free to share those with the list. As discussed, the idea is that following support for the high level overview of these possible additional processes, staff would work on a more detailed description of each process for further WG review and consideration. Best regards, Marika

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MP3 DMPM - Tuesday 05 August 2014 at 20:00 UTC
by Terri Agnew Aug. 6, 2014

Aug. 6, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group call held on Tuesday 05 August 2014 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140805-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC Jonathan Zuck – IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Marinel Rosca – Individual Mouhamet Diop-RrSG Nenad Orlic – ISPCP Sonigitu Ekpe – NCUC Apologies: Rudi Vansnick-NPOC ICANN staff: Amy Bivins Berry Cobb Steve Chan Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/ Wiki page : <https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag> https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 05 August 2014: Terri Agnew: Welcome to the Data and Metrics for Policy Making Working Group on the 05th of August 2014 Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):morning, evening's good day :-) :-) :-) Terri Agnew:Hello Cheryl Marinel Rosca:Hello everyone Terri Agnew:Welcome Marinel Graeme Bunton:That's actually what I did when I first saw it Berry Graeme Bunton:Cozy Terri Agnew:Mouhamet Diop has joined Mouhamet Diop:Thanks Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I miss his pivot tables in particular... Terri Agnew:Sonigitu Ekpe has joined Sonigitu Ekpe:Good day all! Terri Agnew:Nenad Orlic has joined Nenad Orlić:hi, sorry for being late Sonigitu Ekpe:I had problems connecting. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I think the division of work product is important ... good to have Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):shaded color code with a key? and not just for my old eyes Nenad Orlić:so, question is: did anybody noticed aditional scenarion except 5 offered in matrix? Jonathan Zuck:exactly Nenad Terri Agnew:Sonigitu your mic isn't active Terri Agnew:Sonigitu mic is now active Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):not within GNSO but we only need a representative section not an exhaustive list for this work surely,, DSSA for eg., was a cross community activity..@Nenad <mailto:activity..@Nenad> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I think it is good enough at this stage to use and continue work... using and building on this of course... Sonigitu Ekpe:Yes it makes sense. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes there will be those qualitative only options at rare tines Nenad Orlić:jonathan mic off please Graeme Bunton:Can we mute please if you're not talking? Marinel Rosca:lot of echo Terri Agnew:We are trying to find the echo Nenad Orlić:jonatahan mic is problem Terri Agnew:As a reminder, when not speaking please mute your line Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):mary / maeika should have reached out to you but please follow up berry Jonathan Zuck:Exactly Jonathan Zuck:"Encourage" is the word you're looking for...;) Jonathan Zuck:yup Nenad Orlić:i have same comment as last time: 2week for meetings is ok, but there should be some activity on mail list in meantime Sonigitu Ekpe:+1 Nenad Orlić:bye all Marinel Rosca:Thank yuo Mouhamet Diop:bye Mouhamet Diop:thanks and bye Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye Jonathan Zuck:thanks guys Sonigitu Ekpe:Thank u

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Proposed Agenda
by Steve Chan Aug. 5, 2014

Aug. 5, 2014

WG Members, Please find below the proposed agenda for our DMPM meeting tomorrow. I will be sending the Analysis Compilation spreadsheet in a separate email. The results from the Doodle poll show that we will continue with meeting every other week. Proposed Agenda DMPM WG Meeting 05 August 2014 @ 20:00 UTC (60 Min): 1. Roll Call / Statements of Interest 2. Review Use Case Analysis Compilation 3. Review PDP Process Diagram and Work Product Output highlights 4. Discuss next steps and confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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