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MP3 DMPM - Tuesday 08 April 2014 at 2000 UTC
by Terri Agnew April 8, 2014

April 8, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group call held on Tuesday 08 April 2014 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-dmpm-20140408-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar# <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Marinel Rosca - Individual Tony Onorato - Individual Jonathan Zuck - IPC Janiver Ngnoulaye - Individual Sonigitu Ekpe - NCUC Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Adamu B Ishiaku - Non Commercial Nenad Orlic - ISPC Sebastien Bachollet - ALAC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Jeremy Beale - SOI Olevie Kouame - NPOC Apologies: Magaly Pazello - NCUC Rudi Vansnick - NPOC Jay Daley - SOI ICANN staff: Mary Wong Amy Bivins Berry Cobb Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-dmpm-wg/ Wiki page : <https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag> https://community.icann.org/x/myt-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 08 April 2014: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group on the 8th of April 2014 Nenad Orlić:Hi, im newcomer to the WG and as i understend i need to dial-in to be able to participate with sound? Terri Agnew:Welcome Nenad, you have two options to get audio. 1) enable your mic on adobe connect or 2) dial into conf using your telphone. Which do you prefer? Terri Agnew:Actually a third option is we can dial out to you Nenad Orlić:Terri, i allowed adobe connect to use my mic/cam but when i click audio icon i only get 'you have to dial in' Nenad Orlić:and since i'm currently in mocow Nenad Orlić:that is not an option Nenad Orlić:so please, help with option 1? :) Terri Agnew:to active your adobe mic select the telphone option on top tool bar and follow instructions from there. Once Icon has changed form telelphone to microphone, its active Terri Agnew:Nenad, I heard you. As a reminder you will want to mute your mic when not speaking Nenad Orlić:yes, that was just a test Nenad Orlić:thank you Terri Agnew:Your welcome Marinel Rosca:Hello everyone Berry Cobb:We'll get started in 5 minutes. Sonigitu Ekpe:Greetings from Calabar, Nigeria. Terri Agnew:Janvier Ngnoulaye has joined Janvier Ngnoulaye:Hello every one Janvier Ngnoulaye:Since we have 3 Co-chairs, I suggest that the first one the list moves to Chair position Berry Cobb:As a note, staff will publish a new member list to the WIKI. We had a large influx of volunteers from our Singapore session. Berry Cobb:Janvier you may be on mute Sonigitu Ekpe:I support Janvier comment. Marinel Rosca:I agree to Cheryl Berry Cobb:I will take the action to send a Chair Notice to the mailing list shortly after this call. Sonigitu Ekpe:I support Berry on the call since Cheryl comments are of great importance. Nenad Orlić:Please, put one co-chair as chair, and lets move on :) Berry Cobb:https://community.icann.org/display/marwg/27+March+2014+Meeting+-+ICANN 49+Singapore Janvier Ngnoulaye:Do the current Chair had prepared someone before to take this position. Question to Mikey Graeme Bunton: /wave Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I trust my apologies were noted for that Singapore Meeting as I had conflicting meetings Berry Cobb:@Janvier - No preparation has been done. Mikey's annoucement occurred last night. Tony Onorato:I have to step away from computer -- have phone with me but have sick kid duties to address -- I'll be listening on mute Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Janvier. Mikey left fairly suddenly but he would have been working with all 3 of the VC's and of course Jonathan as a VC has that as well as a wealth of experience as a Chair and in this topics Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hey some of us have been in enough of all of those to be useful in that experience Berry :-) :-) :-) Janvier Ngnoulaye:OK, May be we must seize this opportunity to fix it into the bylaws, if there is no provision on that ? Mary Wong:@Janvier, it's the GNSO Working Group Guidelines that lay out the role and selection of a WG Chair. As part of the GNSO Operating Procedures, any changes have to first go through a public comment process. Recently any such changes have been developed by the GNSO's Standing Committee on Improvements, on referral from the GNSO Council. Janvier Ngnoulaye:Thank Mary for these explanations. Mary Wong:You're very welcome! There's nothing to stop a WG from recommending that this be done, to the GNSO Council, but I thought it might be helpful to you all to know the process. Berry Cobb:http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/inactive Graeme Bunton:very quiet Jonathan Zuck:Jeremy we cannot hear you Berry Cobb:Jeremy, you are muted. Jeremy Beale:don't think Mike's working Terri Agnew:Jeremy if needed we can dial out to you on telephone? Jeremy Beale:+61481528793 Terri Agnew:Jeremy We will dial out to you Jeremy Beale:ok anksks Berry Cobb:I have started a small list. I can work with JZ to start a draft that we can send out to the list. Sonigitu Ekpe:Please can I have the link to the DMPM Project Page Berry Cobb:http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/dmpm Terri Agnew:Jeremy is on audio Cheryl Langdon-Orr:in some WG's the mind maps are updated live on share screen so that does work Jonathan Zuck: yes, we can do that in the next meeting Cheryl Olevie:Thank to God Olevie:I've finally join Olevie:Hi ! Jonathan Zuck:Welcome Olevie:Tks Jonathan Terri Agnew:Olevie I have added you to attendance Olevie:Great Olevie:Thank you dera Terry Olevie:Terri :-) Mary Wong:Happy to help! Olevie:I sppose you steel have discussion on item 3. Isn't ? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:sure ok Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Mary we can work of line ttyl re this Mary Wong:@Cheryl, yes, definitely. Perhaps you, me and Berry - maybe Jonathan as well if he can - can do a quick call? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:works for me @mary Sonigitu Ekpe:I support Chair's suggestions on a questionaire. Tony Onorato:yes -- I will Janvier Ngnoulaye:Me too, I support Chair's suggestions Olevie:Please, who is our new Chair ? Olevie:Little bit have delay in info ... Jonathan Zuck:We don't hvae one yet. I'm acting Chair I guess but Berry will put out a call for volunteers Olevie:ok Olevie:Good Olevie:I suggest a bi-weekly meeting Janvier Ngnoulaye:Bi-Weekly meeting for me Olevie:cause of o WG meetingsthers Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup you have just said my thoughts @berry Tony Onorato:Biweekly would be my inclination -- weekly ends up resulting in overly piecemeal progress Janvier Ngnoulaye:Do not forget that every month we have a GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Sessions Jonathan Zuck:Thanks Janvier Janvier Ngnoulaye:You are welcome Jonathan :) Jonathan Zuck:Olevie? go ahead Olevie:Just to support the bi-weeklly meeting Sonigitu Ekpe:I support weekly meeting. Marinel Rosca:Thank you Nenad Orlić:good night everybody Janvier Ngnoulaye:Thank to the acting Chair Berry Cobb:Thank you. Mary Wong:Thanks everyone! Olevie:Thank you Olevie:Sorry for the cdelay Janvier Ngnoulaye:Thanks bye Sonigitu Ekpe:Thank you. Bye Jonathan Zuck:Mary and Cheryl, happy to get on a all

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REMINDER: PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session
by Nathalie Peregrine April 8, 2014

April 8, 2014

Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of "real work" that needs be done. The agenda is flexible. The presenters will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them - you can download those materials <http://gnso.icann.org/en/correspondence/presentation-newcomer-27feb14-en.pd f> here if you would like to review them in advance of the meeting. But do not feel constrained to that agenda. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are Thursday 10 April at 12.00 UTC Thursday 1 May at 20.00 UTC Thursday 5 June at 12.00 UTC Thursday 3 July at 20.00 UTC Thursday 7 August at 12.00 UTC Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC To convert to your local time zone, please see <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. If you are interested to join the next meeting on 10 April or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know ( <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs(a)icann.org) and we will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! Nathalie Peregrine GNSO Secretariat

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Proposed Agenda - DMPM 8 April 2014 @ 20:00 UTC
by Berry Cobb April 7, 2014

April 7, 2014

WG Members, Please find below the proposed agenda for our DMPM meeting tomorrow. However, it has changed slightly with Mikey's announcement to step down from ICANN. Therefore, we will focus tomorrow's call on determining a new Chair for our WG and our WG meeting intervals (items 2 & 6). We are fortunate to have a few vice-chairs if they are interested in taking on the role, else we will have to conduct an external search. I included what was our original agenda as the items 4 & 5 will likely be our near term focus over the next few weeks. Proposed Agenda - DMPM WG Meeting - 8 April 2014 @ 20:00 UTC (60 Min): 1. Roll Call / Statements of Interest 2. Determine new WG Chair 3. Singapore Recap 4. Review of DMPM Charter tasks and WG approach 5. Review of Work Plan 6. Meeting schedule (alternating times (14 & 20 UTC) & cycle (Weekly or Bi-Weekly)) Thank you, B Berry A. Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 720.839.5735 mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb

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an announcement from Mikey -- i'm retiring from ICANN
by Mike O'Connor April 7, 2014

April 7, 2014

dear all, just a quick note to let you know that i am retiring from ICANN. right now. how about that? it’s spring here at the farm and i’ve realized that it’s time for me to redirect my attention to things closer to home and heart. as you can see by the number of mailing lists this note is addressed to, i’ve spread myself too thin. somewhere along the line i burned myself out. i never was very good at seeing this “burnout" thing coming. oops... as to the “immediately” timeframe — well, i’m burned out. which means that the prospect of ICANN-related work just leaves me cold. so rather than drag myself (and you) through some half-baked transition period where i do an even worse job than i’ve been doing lately, i’m just making a clean break of it. it will turn out fine. you’ll see. as of this note i’m setting down all the trappings. GNSO Councillor, ISPCP support, the working groups, all the leadership-development and newcomer-orientation projects. i’m not throwing them down, just placing them gently there for somebody else to pick up and run with. this is the place where i’m supposed to write about how i’ll miss you all. but i’m not going to do that. through the miracle of this Internet thing, i plan to stay connected to you and maintain all those friendships that have developed over the years. i’m just stopping the work, not the relationships. maybe some day i’ll even dip my toe back into a working group or two. but not right away. right now that goes on the Too Hard pile. here’s a link to a pictorial tour of the farm. http://www.aprairiehaven.com/?page_id=23369 see that bench? that’s where i’ll be sitting, thinking of you. come visit. Marcie and i will show you around. onward, mikey PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)

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Re: [Gnso-dmpm-wg] [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study
by Berry Cobb April 5, 2014

April 5, 2014

Team, While the concept of using baseline data to make better policy decisions before and after is relevant to our WG, I'd like to remind everyone that our scope is only within the GNSO (PDP, non-PDP). As you will recall the 2013 RAA was a negotiation between Registrars and ICANN. This should not prevent us from reviewing this as a use case, but likely any recommendations that extend beyond the GNSO will probably be considered out of scope. As second note, there are a few WHOIS accuracy studies that may be useful in acting as a baseline, as well as, ICANN's Contractual Compliance utilizes a tool that tests for random validation. Not having much familiarity with these, it is difficult to say they will be useful in the use case mentioned below, but it is a start. Additionally, there are implementation activities regarding the WHOIS Review Team recommendations, one of which is an online accuracy reporting system. It is out for public comment. Lastly, a good chuck of our near-term work will be to research and analyze previous efforts as use cases for what may have worked and what didn't. I will make sure this is added to the list. Thank you. B Berry Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) 720.839.5735 mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb -----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-metrep-wg(a)icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-metrep-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Theo Geurts Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 01:53 To: Pam Little Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org; gnso-metrep-wg(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study During my ramble i forgot to mention that this case is indeed a very possible study and could proof to be very valuable to the ICANN community since it is a hot topic. Regards, Theo Geurts ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Pam Little" <pam.little12(a)gmail.com> Aan: gnso-metrep-wg(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Verzonden: Donderdag 3 april 2014 07:05:49 Onderwerp: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study Dear WG Colleagues I thought this blog might be of interest: “Are Whois email checks doing more harm than good?” http://domainincite.com/16375-are-whois-email-checks-doing-more-harm-than-g… To me, it raises a number of questions relevant to this WG. For example: · Was there data used to support those WHOIS related changes reflected in the 2013 RAA? · If so, what was the data and the baseline? · How will effectiveness of changes be measured? · Who will be collecting the data to measure effectiveness? ICANN? Registrars? Law enforcement agencies (through the GAC) that advocated for those changes? At Singapore meeting, I heard comments about “regulatory impact assessment” . I do not recall such an assessment done before those changes were introduced. Anyone? Kind regards, Pam

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FW: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study
by Berry Cobb April 5, 2014

April 5, 2014

Hi All, I am forwarding this thread to the new DMPM list. Please be sure to use this mail list for all current discussions. Thank you. B Berry Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) 720.839.5735 <mailto:mail@berrycobb.com> mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb From: owner-gnso-metrep-wg(a)icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-metrep-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mouhamet Diop Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 08:49 To: Theo Geurts Cc: Pam Little; gnso-secs(a)icann.org; GNSO Metrics and Reporting Subject: Re: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study Hello , Thank to raise the concern but a third party is also introduce the Reseller concept (not a registrar, not a customer) ! It is really complicated to have the new RAA implemented, understood and accepted by all those parties involved. Many complaints stay on ground without any feedback to ICANN or the Registrar. So data are not collected from the Reseller !! And i think it will also part of our recommendation when and from where it become relevant to collect data , how often ? how reliable it would be? etc. Maybe ICANN 50 will bring more light and brightness to this dark environment. Mouhamet Diop 2014-04-03 8:14 GMT+00:00 Theo Geurts <theo.geurts(a)firstfind.nl>: Hi Pam, Not sure if any data was used, though the Registrar group did warn ICANN and the LEA's way in advance and frankly it didn't require any rocket science to predict the current evolving trainwreck. What we have not seen are the lawsuits from Registrants (no doubt they will come). - For years people are being instructed to ignore requests from parties that they have no knowledge about. - Email providers like gmail, yahoo etc mark these emails as spam. - Registrants have barely any knowledge about domain names, ICANN, Registrars are vague terms for Registrants. When it comes to metrics regarding this issue, the ball is now in the LEA's corner. Metric wise we now know that the verification places a huge burden on registrants and registrars and legit websites are being knocked off the internet. What we do not know is how many lives have been saved and how many crimes have been solved due to the this verification. As Fadi mentioned in Durban, the LEA's will have to come up with the info here and we will perhaps see those metrics at ICANN 50. Regards, Theo Geurts ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Pam Little" <pam.little12(a)gmail.com> Aan: gnso-metrep-wg(a)icann.org Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org Verzonden: Donderdag 3 april 2014 07:05:49 Onderwerp: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study Dear WG Colleagues I thought this blog might be of interest: Are Whois email checks doing more harm than good? http://domainincite.com/16375-are-whois-email-checks-doing-more-harm-than-go od#comments To me, it raises a number of questions relevant to this WG. For example: · Was there data used to support those WHOIS related changes reflected in the 2013 RAA? · If so, what was the data and the baseline? · How will effectiveness of changes be measured? · Who will be collecting the data to measure effectiveness? ICANN? Registrars? Law enforcement agencies (through the GAC) that advocated for those changes? At Singapore meeting, I heard comments about regulatory impact assessment . I do not recall such an assessment done before those changes were introduced. Anyone? Kind regards, Pam -- M. Mouhamet Diop CEO & CHAIRMAN Kheweul.Com - ICANN Accredited Registrar NEXT, an Innovative Consulting Company <http://www.kheweul.org/> http://www.kheweul.org - www.kheweul.com Tel: +221 33 821 29 39 Mob: +221 77 444 23 50 Skype: laminediop <https://www.facebook.com/pages/kheweulcom/440998055988654> Facebook/Kheweul.com <https://twitter.com/kheweul_sn> Twitter/Kheweul_sn ------------------------------- <http://kheweul.com/> KHEWEUL.COM SA Beyond Expected! Meilleur registrar africain 2013 (Nom de domaine - Hébergement - Site Web) Adresse: 79 Rue Joseph Gomis BP 7474 DAKAR - SENEGAL

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Fwd: PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session
by Mike O'Connor April 1, 2014

April 1, 2014

hi all, here’s an invitation to the open house we run once a month for people who are new to the working group process. hope to see some of you there. let Nathalie know that you plan to attend and she’ll send along the details for the teleconference. mikey Begin forwarded message: > From: Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org> > Subject: PLEASE RSVP Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session > Date: April 1, 2014 at 8:24:27 AM CDT > To: "tony holmes (tonyarholmes(a)btinternet.com)" <tonyarholmes(a)btinternet.com>, 'Mike O'Connor' <mike(a)haven2.com> > Cc: "gnso-secs(a)icann.org" <gnso-secs(a)icann.org> > > > Please forward to new members ! > Thank you! > > Glen > Reminder: Monthly GNSO WG Newcomer Open House Session > > These ongoing monthly sessions are for new GNSO WG participants to come together and discuss any questions they may have about GNSO Working Groups, procedures and/or processes. We know there is a lot of information to digest when you join a GNSO Working Group and these monthly meetings are an opportunity for newcomers and more experienced participants to meet in an informal setting without the pressure of “real work” that needs be done. > > The agenda is flexible. Mikey O’Connor will be ready with a standard set of materials if people would like to discuss them — you can download those materials here if you would like to review them in advance of the meeting. But do not feel constrained to that agenda. Feel free to submit questions, either in advance or at the beginning of the meeting, if there is a topic that you would like to explore in more depth . Providing useful answers to a wide range of questions is part of the reason why these meetings are being held. > > To allow for maximum participation in these calls, the proposed schedule is as follows: > > > Thursday 10 April at 12.00 UTC > Thursday 1 May at 20.00 UTC > Thursday 5 June at 12.00 UTC > Thursday 3 July at 20.00 UTC > Thursday 7 August at 12.00 UTC > Thursday 4 September at 20.00 UTC > Thursday 2 October at 12.00 UTC > Thursday 6 November at 20.00 UTC > Thursday 4 December at 12.00 UTC > > To convert to your local time zone, please see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. > > If you are interested to join the next meeting on 10 April or any of the future meetings, please let the GNSO Secretariat know (gnso-secs(a)icann.org) and they will send you the call details. If there are any specific questions you already have, or any overviews or introductions you think would be helpful (e.g. GNSO Policy Development Process or GNSO Working Group guidelines), please let us know in advance and we will prepare materials accordingly. Feel free to share this invitation with others that you think may be interested. > > We look forward to welcoming you at the next meeting! > > > > Glen de Saint Géry > GNSO Secretariat > gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org > http://gnso.icann.org > PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE: OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)

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GNSO Council resolution 26 March 2014
by Glen de Saint Géry March 27, 2014

March 27, 2014

Dear All, The GNSO Council at its meeting in Singapore on 26 March 2014 confirmed the Chair and Co-Chairs for the Data and Metrics for Policy Making non-PDP working group namely Mikey O'Connor (ISPCP) as Chair as well as Rudy Vansnick (NPOC), Jonathan Zuck (IPC) and Olevie Kouami (NPOC) as Co-Chairs. Further confirming that the GNSO Liaison for the Data and Metrics for Policy Making non-PDP working group will be Klaus Stoll (NPOC). Thank you, Kind regards, Glen Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org<http://gnso.icann.org/>

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DMPM Primer - Guidelines for Access to and Protection of Confidential Information
by Berry Cobb March 26, 2014

March 26, 2014

DMPM Team, Per our discussion in the DMPM Singapore session, Mikey asked the WG to review a framework for accessing and protecting confidential information that may help inform part of WG charter discussion regarding access to data from Contracted Parties in our Working Group process. Here is a link to the Community WIKI, and I've also included the attachment: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/20906098/DSSA%20-%20WG%20Co nfidentiality%20Guidelines%20-%2021%20April%202012.pdf FYI, we are targeting 8 April 2014 @ 21 UTC for our next DMPM meeting. Thank you. B Berry Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) 720.839.5735 <mailto:mail@berrycobb.com> mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb

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Proposed Agenda - DMPM for 27 March 2014 @ 08:00 local time to Singapore
by Berry Cobb March 26, 2014

March 26, 2014

WG Members, Please find below the proposed agenda for our DMPM session in Singapore on Thursday. Remote participation will be provided for those members who did not travel to Singapore. Proposed Agenda - DMPM WG Meeting - 27 March 2014 @ 08:00 Singapore (60 Min): 1. Roll Call / Statements of Interest 2. Introduction of Session 3. Review of DMPM Charter 4. General Discussion of WG activities and next steps http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/thu-dmpm Thank you, B Berry A. Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers 720.839.5735 mail(a)berrycobb.com @berrycobb

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