September 2009 - NA-Discuss

Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn Sept. 10, 2009

Sept. 10, 2009

Sure, but allowing this to exist is a problem. Let's document it and publish it instead. ------------------------------------- Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... Garth Bruen gbruen(a)knujon.com http://www.knujon.com http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 Tentative Presentations: Global Cyber Security Expo http://cyberexpo.memphis.edu/ > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman > From: "John R. Levine" <johnl(a)iecc.com> > Date: Thu, September 10, 2009 9:04 am > To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen(a)knujon.com> > Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Evan Leibovitch > <evan(a)telly.org> > > > > If that is the case, we should also complain to the board about that... > > I don't think that would be productive at this point, since Frank serves a > useful cover function for them. > > R's, > John > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman > >> From: "John R. Levine" <johnl(a)iecc.com> > >> Date: Wed, September 09, 2009 6:25 am > >> To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> > >> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >>> I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of > >>> others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN > >>> Ombudsman. > >> Don't waste your time. The Ombudsman is a fraud (although he doesn't > >> think he is.) Take it directly to the board. > >> R's, > >> John

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
by Garth Bruen at KnujOn Sept. 10, 2009

Sept. 10, 2009

If that is the case, we should also complain to the board about that... > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman > From: "John R. Levine" <johnl(a)iecc.com> > Date: Wed, September 09, 2009 6:25 am > To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> > Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of > > others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN > > Ombudsman. > Don't waste your time. The Ombudsman is a fraud (although he doesn't > think he is.) Take it directly to the board. > R's, > John > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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7 September election for ALAC liaison to the ICANN Board
by Danny Younger Sept. 10, 2009

Sept. 10, 2009

Beau, according to the NARALO's election page: (1) "One or more candidates for the position of ALAC liaison to the ICANN Board Election to start 7 September; candidates are Alan Greenberg, Seth Reiss and Wendy Seltzer." (2) "Unaffiliated members of NARALO are to achieve consensus regarding how their collective vote is to be cast. Beau Brendler is the representative for unaffiliated members." I'd like to ask this preliminary question before we "unaffiliated" members begin to caucus: Knowing that the ICANN Board has already decided that in the near future there will no longer be an at-large liason to the board (as we will instead have an at-large director), does it really make sense to elect someone to what will undoubtably be a term of very short duration? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply extend the term of the incumbent in view of these particular and unique circumstances?

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Anonymity settings in Board Liaison balloting
by At-Large Staff Sept. 10, 2009

Sept. 10, 2009

Our apologies for leaving out an important point with respect to the balloting. You will notice that the vote settings are 'Not Anonymous'. The reason why the system is set this way is because if it was set to fully anonymous, it would not be possible to see a listing of those who have not voted until the voting was closed, thereby preventing us from reminding those who have not voted to do so. Your vote will not at any point be disclosed to anyone (unless you choose to forward the vote confirmation email the system sends to you after you vote to a third party). -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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ICANN Resolution 2009.08.27.15
by Danny Younger Sept. 9, 2009

Sept. 9, 2009

Dear all, Most likely you have all now seen this ICANN resolution: Resolved (2009.08.27.15) that the recommendation of the BRWG to add one voting director appointed from the At Large Community to the ICANN Board of Directors, and removing the present ALAC Liaison to the Board, is approved in principle for implementation. Staff is directed to identify all steps required to achieve the implementation of this principle, after issuing of the BRWG Final Report. The resolution is rather ambiguous and vague about what is the "At Large Community" and about who it is that does the appointing, and it says nothing about the process that will be used to arrive at an appointment (other than the fact that ICANN Staff will "identify" all the steps required). We need to start talking about this. Just as there were some problems associated with the original at-large elections, so too are there problems associated with appointment processes currently in use at ICANN -- it's no secret that the Nominating Committee process has resulted in quite a few appointments to the ALAC over the years that have turned out to be total duds. I'm of the view that first we need to have our prior NonCom reps explain to us what went wrong in their process so that we can try to avoid the same set of errors going forward. Secondly, I think that we need to devise mechanisms that are not limited to selecting people from only the existing ALAC and its RALOs but are broader based. Finally, I don't want to leave the process for selecting an At-Large director up to the Staff. We need to be the ones setting forth the plan and all the necessary steps involved. Your comments will be appreciated. regards, Danny

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Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
by Evan Leibovitch Sept. 9, 2009

Sept. 9, 2009

Hello fellow NARALOers, I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman. It's regarding the fact that ICANN regional meetings for registrars and registries are closed to the public, specifically the one that was recently held in Toronto. At first I thought this was simply an issue of notification -- that ICANN staff deliberately withheld meeting notice. I sent a message to the ALAC mailing list in this regard -- if you don't have the old mail you can find it archived at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/2009/… Today I found out that it was worse than that -- that an ICANN-savvy person, Richard Sexton, was at the meeting but forcably removed (ie, ICANN staff called security). The details on this are at Richard's website: http://rs79.vrx.net/works/observations/dns/events/icann/meetings/toronto/ I have received an email from Craig Schwartz, who ran the meeting, with a personal committment to do better in the future. I requested that such a commitment be made public but have not heard any response yet. Repeated emails and phone calls to Stacy -- and even a plea with Nick, when he was down in California, to ask her to call me, have been unanswered. The new knowledge -- that the only member of the public to show up at the meeting was forcably evicted -- makes this more than an error of omission, and significantly more serious than I originally alleged. I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice. I'm getting more angry about this rather than less. Right now my intent is to enlist the help of a few people here to help create the complaint, then to get it endorsed by NARALO, and hopefully other regions and/or ALAC. - Evan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
by Jean Armour Polly Sept. 9, 2009

Sept. 9, 2009

>100% on board with the complaint. Count me in, also Evan. Outrageous.

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Next NARALO call / Monday 14 September 2009 @ 1900 UTC
by At-Large Staff Sept. 8, 2009

Sept. 8, 2009

Dear All This is to remind you that the next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 14 September at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT/3 p.m. EDT). The agenda is currently being updated but participation information can be found on the following page: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?14%20September%202009 Please note that as requested by the NARALO community, there will be a NARALO Adobe Connect Training session 30 minutes prior to the start of the NARALO teleconference beginning at 18:30 UTC (11:30 a.m. PDT/2:30 p.m. EDT). To participate in the audio portion of this meeting, please dial into to the same Adigo telephone number as for the NARALO teleconferences (North America toll-free: 1-800-550-6865 dial in: 1638). The link to the Adobe Connect Training room as well as questions that will be answered during the call are available at: https://st.icann.org/naralo/index.cgi?14_september_2009_adobe_connect_briefi ng_session. Please feel free to add your questions to the wiki by using the comments section. If you require a dial-out for either call, please let us know at staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. Thank you Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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[Fwd: Toronto Regional Registry/Registrar Event]
by At-Large Staff Sept. 8, 2009

Sept. 8, 2009

Dear NARALO and ALAC Members: The email below may be of interest. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Toronto Regional Registry/Registrar Event Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:25:22 -0700 From: Craig Schwartz <craig.schwartz(a)icann.org> To: evan(a)telly.org <evan(a)telly.org> CC: Kurt Pritz <kurt.pritz(a)icann.org>, Denise Michel <denise.michel(a)icann.org>, Tim Cole <Tim.Cole(a)icann.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart(a)icann.org>, Stacy Hoffberg <stacy.hoffberg(a)icann.org> Dear Evan, Stacy Hoffberg shared with me your email about the recent gTLD Registry/ICANN-Accredited Registrar event in Toronto that included your request for a response from ICANN staff about the nature of the event. I hear your concerns and frustrations and agree that ICANN could have done a better job of sharing this information with the community. In the future, ICANN will post an announcement on our website with specifics about dates, times and locations of the regional events and make it clearer what purposes the meetings serve. The genesis of these events was the need for ICANN to share with its contracted parties information about how they could better understand different aspects of their agreements, to help ensure contractual compliance by them. The meetings don’t serve a policy-making function like the international ICANN meetings, a fact that may not be obvious from the postings made about them. These events involve a narrowly targeted audience and are not intended to be secret. As such, and in the spirit of transparency, the materials presented at the event have been posted for public information. May I say, perhaps belatedly but nevertheless sincerely, that we’re sorry we didn’t close the loop with you about your request to attend, especially after you helped provide advice on the venue for the meeting. We really do appreciate the help! If I may be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to call me at 202.429.2703; if you’d rather I call on ICANN’s dime, let me know and I’ll ring you. Sincerely, Craig _______________________ Craig Schwartz Chief gTLD Registry Liaison ICANN 1875 I Street, NW, Suite 501 Washington, DC 20006 Office +1 202.429.2703 www.icann.org -- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
by Beau Brendler Sept. 8, 2009

Sept. 8, 2009

Not good. Count me in. Beau Brendler -----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Sent: Sep 8, 2009 12:09 PM >To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: DarleneThompson <DThompson(a)gov.nu.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman > >Thanks for the quick answers from Danny, Darlene and Eduardo. I still >hope to hear from more of you. > >I've removed Stacy from the Cc list. She's now well aware of what's >going on. > >I've been to the Ombudsman's complaint form >(https://omb.icann.org/portal/complaint.php) It appears intended to >accept complaints from individuals, not organized bodies. And its form >doesn't seem to allow more than small spaces for details, so I might >just mail it to Frank directly. > >- Evan > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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