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The internet in Cuba
by Eduardo Diaz Aug. 10, 2013

Aug. 10, 2013

Of possible interest... * http://laredcubana.blogspot.com/2013/08/alba-1-undersea-cable-background.ht… * -ed -- *NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.

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NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 11 June 2012 @ 19:00 UTC /Canceled
by Beau Brendler Aug. 10, 2013

Aug. 10, 2013

Colleagues, Due to a conflict that I cannot immediately resolve, the NA teleconference for today has been CANCELLED. I would recommend that we reschedule for next Monday. Regards, Beau -----Original Message----- >From: At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> >Sent: Jun 11, 2012 7:15 AM >To: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org>, NA-Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER/ NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 11 June 2012 @ 19:00 UTC > >Dear All, > >The next NARALO teleconference is scheduled for Monday, 11 June 2012 at >19:00 UTC > >For other times: http://tinyurl.com/d7ww2k4 > > The agenda (TO BE UPDATED) and call details can be found at: >https://community.icann.org/x/hgAQAg > >If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: >mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >Thank you. > >Regards, > >Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie >Peregrine > >ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC > >E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Operating Procedures for discussion at NARALO meeting on Monday
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 10, 2013

Aug. 10, 2013

Attached are a red-line and a clean version to be discussed at the NARALO meeting on Monday. There are only a small number of changes from the previous version (this time in purple): 13. Make it clear that the sentence on tie-breaking is for the ALAC member (the subject of the entire paragraph). 16. Grammar correction "participates IN online discussions" 17. Remove a redundant "submitting". This and older drafts can be found at https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+ROP+Review++2013. Alan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 9, 2013

Aug. 9, 2013

I can live with it with or without the change (although I would keep the "normally" I added. The change only allows the Chair to bypass the process of trying to reach consensus... At 08/08/2013 01:16 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Actually, in almost all of these cases there were multiple people >considering the positions. In the conversation leading to consensus, >some dropped out to enable a single consensus candidate. > >Where no such consensus was possible between the people considering >running and other NARALO members, there was a secret vote. > >I still don't think this point needs changing. Secret votes still >happen, but the region is enabled (and indeed is encouraged) to use >consensus where possible. > > > >On 8 August 2013 10:40, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >Evan, were there ever cases where there were more candidates than >slots and consensus was used? Alan > > >At 08/08/2013 04:34 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >>On 6 August 2013 10:15, Alan Greenberg >><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca > wrote: >>At 06/08/2013 08:31 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: >> >> >>#12 refers to ALAC members being chosen by a rough consensus >>process. This has never been done. It has always been done by a >>voting process. The rough consensus wording should rather be used >>for routine decisions. >> >> >>I am happy to make such a change if there is such a will. >> >> >>I wouldn't say never. >> >>NARALO's first two non-ALAC reps -- Robert and Beau - were chosen >>by consensus, no vote was ever taken. I believe that Gareth's >>selection as well as my first, were also done that way. >> >>I would prefer to keep the option so to allow for the flexibility. >> >>- Evan > > > > >-- >Evan Leibovitch >Toronto Canada >Em: evan at telly dot org >Sk: evanleibovitch >Tw: el56

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 9, 2013

Aug. 9, 2013

At 06/08/2013 08:31 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: >Nice job, Alan! > >I would also offer the following: > >#4 Only mentions English and French - Spanish should also be included. I also note that what is there is not actually correct, in that with very few exceptions, we have not translated anything (the Operating Principles) were among the very few I could find). I'm not saying that is good, but that is the reality. I would suggest that this section is not causing us any IMMEDIATE OPERATIONAL problems, and that when we do a re-write, we replace it with something that is both realistic and accurate, and adheres to the current ALAC/ICANN rules and policies. As such it will require more discussion than we want now to get these "fixes" in place. >#12 refers to ALAC members being chosen by a rough consensus >process. This has never been done. It has always been done by a >voting process. The rough consensus wording should rather be used >for routine decisions. I am happy to make such a change if there is such a will. >#16. If an ALS loses its voting status, how can it regain it through voting? This is something that we should fix, as cleaning up of ALAS status should be a high-priority issue. Can you offer a quick fix? One that comes to mind is that at the one year point they are notified and have one year to fix or we mark inactive and recommends decertification. Alan >Thanks! > >D > >Darlene A. Thompson >CAP Administrator >N-CAP/Department of Education >P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 >Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >Phone: (867) 975-5631 >Fax: (867) 975-5610 >dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >________________________________________ >From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan >Greenberg [alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca] >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:10 PM >To: NA-Discuss >Subject: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO Operating Procedures > >I offer the following draft of the reviser NARALO Operating Procedures > >In summary, I have changed: >- a number of things we noted before as problems but never fixed >- the tie-breaking which triggered this revision >- other important things I found along the way. > >All of our documents are BADLY in need of revision. This is NOT that >effort, but I have tried to fix the really serious issues and >particularly ones that have caused us problems in the past. > > >In detail by section number: > >7. Adding the possibility for a shared Secretariat, which already >implied in section 8 by the "person(s)". As far as I can find, we >have no "language requirements", so I deleted the reference to it. > >9. That is primarily where the ALAC Member responsibilities now >reside (or pointed to by RoP). > >11. Removal of the term "Statement of Interest" which now has another >meaning. Nominations is what this process is referred to in ALAC >docs, and in fact, that is what actually happens except in the rare >self-nomination case. > >12. Goes with above. > >15. Currently, only a rep of a true ALS can vote to alter the >Operating Procedures. The representative of unaffiliated members was >accidentally omitted. This fixes that. > >16. Since we say that selections should largely be by consensus, this >fits better than just counting votes which might not happen. > >17. Again removing a mis-used "Statement of Interest" and making the >process clear. I also made it clear how you lose unaffiliated >membership. I removed what is essentially an implementation issue >that did not belong in the rules and added a tie-breaking rule >patterned on that in 13. > >19. The new rule for tie-breaking in a Chair or Secretariat election. > >20. To counteract section 12.9 of the Procedure for Meetings which >says we vote like LAC, with weighted voting balancing countries. > >21. Fix the many discrepancies among documents. > >Comments? > >Alan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Monday's Meeting/Teleconference
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 9, 2013

Aug. 9, 2013

We need 70& of active ALSs, so may not be possible on a call unless we have really good turnout. But would be nice! Alan At 08/08/2013 10:22 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >Is in the plan to vote or reach concensus on the ROP? > >-ed > > >On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Garth Bruen <gbruen(a)knujon.com> wrote: > > > All, > > > > Due to the on-going election and pending changes to our ROP, the agenda for > > our monthly call will be focused on moving these concerns forward. I > > apologize for the disruption of our normal activities but these are > > obviously critical issues. > > > > I will be sending out a brief of the ROP changes. I suggest everyone become > > familiar with them. > > > > -Garth > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > Garth Bruen > > gbruen(a)knujon.com > > > > 617-947-3805 > > http://www.knujon.com > > Chair of ICANN At-Large North America (naralo.org) > > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > > The Death of the Internet: > > http://astore.amazon.com/knujocom-20/detail/1118062418 > > Blog: > > http://www.digitalcitizensalliance.org/cac/alliance/blog.aspx?ident=garth > > Twitter: @Knujon > > > > > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > > > > > >-- >*NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is confidential and/or >subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named >addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, >disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by >mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately. >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 9, 2013

Aug. 9, 2013

Within ALAC, we have moved to all other personnel-related vote being secret. NARALO is not obliged to follow suit, but that is really the question in my mind. I would suggest that the rule be changed to say that in cases where there are more candidates than slots, it is the call of the chair whether to attempt consensus or go strain to a vote. Would that work with everyone? Alan At 08/08/2013 10:40 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote: >Evan, were there ever cases where there were more candidates than >slots and consensus was used? Alan > >At 08/08/2013 04:34 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >>On 6 August 2013 10:15, Alan Greenberg >><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >>At 06/08/2013 08:31 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: >> >> >>#12 refers to ALAC members being chosen by a rough consensus >>process. This has never been done. It has always been done by a >>voting process. The rough consensus wording should rather be used >>for routine decisions. >> >> >>I am happy to make such a change if there is such a will. >> >> >>I wouldn't say never. >> >>NARALO's first two non-ALAC reps -- Robert and Beau - were chosen >>by consensus, no vote was ever taken. I believe that Gareth's >>selection as well as my first, were also done that way. >> >>I would prefer to keep the option so to allow for the flexibility. >> >>- Evan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 9, 2013

Aug. 9, 2013

Evan, were there ever cases where there were more candidates than slots and consensus was used? Alan At 08/08/2013 04:34 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >On 6 August 2013 10:15, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >At 06/08/2013 08:31 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: > > >#12 refers to ALAC members being chosen by a rough consensus >process. This has never been done. It has always been done by a >voting process. The rough consensus wording should rather be used >for routine decisions. > > >I am happy to make such a change if there is such a will. > > >I wouldn't say never. > >NARALO's first two non-ALAC reps -- Robert and Beau - were chosen by >consensus, no vote was ever taken. I believe that Gareth's selection >as well as my first, were also done that way. > >I would prefer to keep the option so to allow for the flexibility. > >- Evan

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Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 8, 2013

Aug. 8, 2013

At 08/08/2013 03:01 PM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: >I recommend to add Spanish as a third language in #4 and add at the >end (as it was suggested before) the words "as appropriate" so it >will read as follows: > >"4. The NARALO will be multilingual from its inception. Public >documents will be produced in English, French and Spanish as appropriate." I dropped the "as appropriate" along with the suggestion to add Spanish as not being absolutely essential to this revision. In fact, for the next full rewrite which we need to do soon, the section on language needs to be altered to make sure it is in line with ICANN and ALAC policy. So my preference is to side-step it now and get on with the revision that are necessary to fix particular problems. >In #17, delete the word "submitted" after the words "...an affirmation...". Good catch! Thanks. >And just for curiosity: in #13 where it says that the Chair will >break the tie: Will the fact that there is a tie be known to >everyone before/after the Chair casts its vote? We have to make sure >that only the chair knows about the tie otherwise everyone will know >the final Chair's vote. Agreed. But since that is not a need for this year (where we have already selected an EXCELLENT ALAC Member) let's presume we will either fix it in time for next year, or the Chair and staff will have the good sense to do it anyway. Alan >-ed > > >On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. > >12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for >elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 >allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have >been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. > >16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their >active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not >allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can >request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC >would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in >NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. > >Last call for additional issues? > >Alan >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ > > > > >-- >NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential >and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of >the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you >must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have >received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete >this message immediately.

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Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
by Alan Greenberg Aug. 8, 2013

Aug. 8, 2013

At 08/08/2013 02:12 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >Doesn't the second sentence of #13 contradict #19? No, as 13 is only for ALAC seats and 19 is for Chair/Secretariat. >In any case I still prefer the original form of #13; if you like add >the word "secret" before "vote" but I'm not sure what is broken in >this specific spot that needs fixing. That NARALO has used consensus >more often than other regions is IMO a feature, not a bug, and >needless synchronization with other regions for its own sake is not >a worthwhile goal. As noted, I can live with the old form. The new version just explicitly gives the Chair the ability to make a judgement call and stay within the rules. >I thought were were going for a minimal set of changes to >accommodate problems specifically raised by the current voting >situation; anything beyond that should be off the table right now. Someone raised the issue and I responded. Happy to back it out. It is a bit past what we NEED to do now. Alan > > > >On 8 August 2013 12:48, Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. > >12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for >elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 >allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have >been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. > >16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their >active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not >allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can >request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC >would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in >NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. > >Last call for additional issues? > >Alan >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list ><mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > >Visit the NARALO online at <http://www.naralo.org>http://www.naralo.org >------ > > > > >-- >Evan Leibovitch >Toronto Canada >Em: evan at telly dot org >Sk: evanleibovitch >Tw: el56

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