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REMINDER - Call for Volunteers: .NGO Community Advisory Panel
by Alan Greenberg Jan. 23, 2017

Jan. 23, 2017

The Public Interest Registry (PIR), the operator of the .NGO and .ONG top level domains (see http://pir.org/products/ngo-ong-domain/) is looking for one person to represent the ALAC in its NGO Community Advisory Council. The Advisory Council provides important feedback and advice on issues relating to the NGO community ranging from policy considerations to the introduction of new services. The NGO Community Advisory Council plays a vital role in helping Public Interest Registry fulfill its mission. With .ngo domain users representing NGOs of varying size, sectors,scope and geography, it is important to have advocates in the Internet community who fully understand their needs as diverse service-based organizations. The Council continually lends its unique global expertise to help us meet those needs and strengthen our efforts in supporting NGOs worldwide. The Advisory Council meets Face-to-Face annually (generally in September) and via teleconference four times per year. To the extent allowed by PIR confidentiality rules, the successful applicant will be expected to regularly report to the ALAC on Advisory Council issues and if applicable consult with the ALAC. PIR has asked the ALAC to identify a number of candidates. Ideally, such candidates will come from an active At-Large ALS that has a proven record of engagement with the NGO community. Candidates should have notable leadership experience in non-commercial/civil society community and an acute understanding of the issues and policies that affect the NGO society. Candidates should submit their Expression of Interest detailing their experience, expertise and qualifications along with a statement that they have sufficient time and interest to fulfill the Advisory Council duties. The ALAC Appointee Selection Committee will review all EoIs and will select a small number which will be forwarded to PIR. The final selection on the ALAC Representative will be done by the PIR Nominating Committee. All EoIs must be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by Wednesday, 25 January 2017 at 23:59 UTC. Please use an e-mail Subject of: NGO Community Advisory Council. Alan Greenberg Chair, ALAC

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EXTENSION: CCWG Auction Proceeds - Call for Candidates
by Alan Greenberg Jan. 23, 2017

Jan. 23, 2017

THE DEADLINE FOR MEMBER APPLICATIONS HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO 23:59 UTC, THURSDAY, 26 JANUARY 2017. ================ This is a CALL FOR CANDIDATES in the At-Large Community for the ICANN Cross Community Working Group (CCWG) on New gTLD Auction Proceeds. The new generic top level domain (gTLD) Program established auctions as a mechanism of last resort to resolve the competition sets between identical or similar terms (strings) for new gTLDs Currently the fund contains over $230 million dollars (note that $132 million of this is related to an auction that is being disputed). The CCWG is tasked with developing a proposal(s) for consideration by the Chartering Organizations (those ICANN Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees that have adopted the CCWG Charter) on the mechanism that should be developed in order to allocate the new gTLD Auction Proceeds. That proposal will then be submitted to the ICANN Board. Note that the CCWG will NOT be deciding on projects to be funded, but rather on the mechanism to be used to allocate funds. MEMBERS As one of the Chartering organizations, the ALAC may name five people to be Members of the CCWG and presuming sufficient qualified candidates, our intent is to select one per ICANN region (based on citizenship as per ALAC membership). Full details of the CCWG may be found at <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2016-12-13-en>https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2016-12-13-en. Members must commit to actively participate in the activities of the CCWG. The estimated average workload will be no less than 3-4 hours per week. This means attending conference calls which will likely last 60-90 minutes per week (some of which will be held at inconvenient hours to accommodate world-wide participation) and mailing list participation. Past CCWGs have also formed sub-groups to divide the work. If this CCWG does so, that might increase workload. The total length of engagement is likely to be at least 1 year. The CCWG, any sub-groups it forms, and its mailing lists will all be conducted in English and all Members must be sufficiently fluent. There will be a Working Group within At-Large which will support our five CCWG Members, and all Members are also expected to participate in that WG as well. Members will also participate in any At-Large briefings and Webinars on the subject. Those interested in applying to be formally appointed to the CCWG Auction Proceeds by the ALAC should submit an Expression of Interest (EoI) including: * A resume (maximum three pages) * A statement explaining why they are interested in serving in this capacity and what skills or background they have which will help them in this CCWG. * A Declaration of Interests indicating any potential or actual conflicts. * A declaration that they can devote the time needed to participate in the CCWG and the associated At-Large WG activities. * Agreement that prior to the formal selection by the ALAC, they will attend CCWG meetings (see IMPORTANT NOTE at bottom of this message). PROCESS All EoIs must be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by Sunday, 22 January 2017 at 23:59 UTC. EXTENDED TO 23:59 UTC, THURSDAY, 26 JANUARY 2017 All applications will be reviewed in confidence by the ALAC Appointee Selection Committee (AASC) which will make recommendations to the ALAC on who to appoint. For AASC Membership, see https://community.icann.org/x/VwebAw. EoIs will be available only to the AASC and ICANN At-Large Staff. Based on an initial review of the EoI, a telephone/Skype interview of the candidates may be conducted by members of the AASC. IMPORTANT NOTE: The first meeting of the CCWG will take place on Thursday, 26 January at 15:00 UTC for 60 Minutes. Since the ALAC selections will not be done by then, ALL Applicants must either attend this meeting and subsequent meetings or listen to the recordings. Alan Greenberg Chair, ALAC

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December 2016: Input needed for the NARALO newsletter
by Eduardo Diaz Jan. 23, 2017

Jan. 23, 2017

@All: Please send me any images, brief updates, or event information (past, present, or future) that you would like to be featured in the December 2016 newsletter. Updates should be kept down to two or three lines. For event information please send me the pertinent event details or point me to a calendar so that I can pull it from there. I look forward to receiving and sharing all your news. Best, Eduardo -- *NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.

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WEBCAST MONDAY: State of the Net 2017 in Washington DC
by Joly MacFie Jan. 22, 2017

Jan. 22, 2017

Just packing up my kit to go and stream this. At least DC is not snowed in like last year! All the streams are embedded on http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8924 joly posted: "On Monday January 23 2017 the Internet Education Foundation (IEF) will host the 2017 State of the Net Conference at the Newseum in Washington DC. As the 115th Congress kicks off, attendees include some 300 congressional staff and other policymakers. Spe" [image: Livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/sotn17>On *Monday January 23 2017* the *Internet Education Foundation <http://neted.org/> *(IEF) will host the *2017 State of the Net Conference* <http://www.stateofthenet.org/sotn-17/> at the *Newseum* in *Washington DC*. As the *115th Congress <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress>* kicks off, attendees include some 300 congressional staff and other policymakers. Speakers include, from the Internet Society, Trustee *Jason Livingood*, North America Director *Mark Buell*, and Trust & Identity Program Lead *Steve Olshamky.* Other familiar names include *Milton Mueller*, *George Sadowsky*, *Gigi Sohn*, *Andrea Glorioso*, and *Susan Aaronson*. Congress will be represented by, from the House, Representatives *Suzan DelBene* and *Bob Goodlatte *and, from the Senate, Senators *Brian Schatz* and *John Thune*. The entire event will be webcast live on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/sotn17>*. *What: 2017 State of the Net Conference <http://www.stateofthenet.org/sotn-17> Where: Newseum, Washington DC When: Monday January 23 2017 9am-5pm EST | 14:00-22:00 UTC Agenda: http://www.stateofthenet.org/sotn-17/agenda/ <http://www.stateofthenet.org/sotn-17/agenda/> Speakers: https://stateofthenet2017.sched.com/directory/speakers <https://stateofthenet2017.sched.com/directory/speakers> Twitter: #sotn17 <https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23sotn15&src=typd>* Webcast *Plenary + Breakout1* - https://livestream.com/internetsociety/sotn17 (9am-5pm) *Breakout 2* - https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/sotn17 (12pm-4:30pm) * Breakout 3* - https://livestream.com/internetsociety3/sotn17/ (12pm-4:30pm) Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8924#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8924#comments> *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8924 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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Re: [NA-Discuss] MAILCARD Feedbacl
by Javier Rua Jan. 18, 2017

Jan. 18, 2017

I like it, although I would not describe myself as an American (or a Canadian, of course). I would delete the phrase "We provide advice that impacts all Canadians and Americans" or rephrase it to something integrating the wording in the NARALO website like -We provide advice that impacts all those "located in Canada, the United States or Puerto Rico" or something like "We provide advice that impacts all our North American region, from Canada to the US and Puerto Rico" Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua > On Jan 12, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (calderon.alfredo(a)gmail.com) Add cleanup rule | More info > Glenn: > > It looks fine! I liked that you included the runnerup slogan in the initial paragraph of the mailcard. > > Great job! > > Sent from my "iPad Air" > > Alfredo Calderón > Email: calderon.alfredo(a)gmail.com > Twylah: http://www.twylah.com/acalderon52 > Twitter: acalderon52 > Skype: Alfredo_1212 > Business card: http://myonepage.com/ acalderon > Scoop.it: http://www.scoop.it/t/aprendiendo-a-distancia > Blog: http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com > Twitter news: http://paper.li/ acalderon52 > >> On Jan 12, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry it was sent in error >> >> The SIDE TWO >> >> MANY VOICES, ONE INTERNET >> >> NARALO Is the voice of the Internet End Users in North America. We provide advice that impacts all Canadians and Americans. NARALO is a key part of ICANN’s multi-stakeholder model. Its members work on a variety of initiatives such as, policy advice development, outreach and engagement, training, capacity building, technology and accessibility issues. Members also partner and collaborate with other key Internet governance stakeholders. >> >> Make a Difference in how the Internet operates in North America, Come Join Us and with your help and engagement we can continue to improve NARALO and increase our voice within At Large. >> >> To learn more visit our website at naralo.org or email us at naralo-leadership(a)icann.org >> >> Note: It will have a NARALO LOGO as a watermark. >> >> Please comment on suggestions or edit >> >> Thanks >> G >> >> Glenn McKnight >> mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com >> skype gmcknight >> twitter gmcknight >> . >> >>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/NARALO+Mailcard+2017 >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> We need your feedback on the new NARALO Mailcard >>> >>> On side one is the NARALO logo, colour and welcome in three languages >>> >>> The reverse side has the information and call to action >>> >>> Here is the content >>> >>> >>> >>> Glenn McKnight >>> mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com >>> skype gmcknight >>> twitter gmcknight >>> . >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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REMINDER Deadline 4 days: Call for Candidates: Auction Proceeds
by ICANN At-Large Staff Jan. 18, 2017

Jan. 18, 2017

Reminder on the Call for Candidates for the CCWG-Auction Proceeds. All EoIs must be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by Sunday, 22 January 2017 at 23:59 UTC. == This is a CALL FOR CANDIDATES in the At-Large Community for the ICANN Cross Community Working Group (CCWG) on New gTLD Auction Proceeds. The new generic top level domain (gTLD) Program established auctions as a mechanism of last resort to resolve the competition sets between identical or similar terms (strings) for new gTLDs Currently the fund contains over $230 million dollars (note that $132 million of this is related to an auction that is being disputed). The CCWG is tasked with developing a proposal(s) for consideration by the Chartering Organizations (those ICANN Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees that have adopted the CCWG Charter) on the mechanism that should be developed in order to allocate the new gTLD Auction Proceeds. That proposal will then be submitted to the ICANN Board. Note that the CCWG will NOT be deciding on projects to be funded, but rather on the mechanism to be used to allocate funds. MEMBERS As one of the Chartering organizations, the ALAC may name five people to be Members of the CCWG and presuming sufficient qualified candidates, our intent is to select one per ICANN region (based on citizenship as per ALAC membership). Full details of the CCWG may be found at https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2016-12-13-en[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…>. Members must commit to actively participate in the activities of the CCWG. The estimated average workload will be no less than 3-4 hours per week. This means attending conference calls which will likely last 60-90 minutes per week (some of which will be held at inconvenient hours to accommodate world-wide participation) and mailing list participation. Past CCWGs have also formed sub-groups to divide the work. If this CCWG does so, that might increase workload. The total length of engagement is likely to be at least 1 year. The CCWG, any sub-groups it forms, and its mailing lists will all be conducted in English and all Members must be sufficiently fluent. There will be a Working Group within At-Large which will support our five CCWG Members, and all Members are also expected to participate in that WG as well. Members will also participate in any At-Large briefings and Webinars on the subject. Those interested in applying to be formally appointed to the CCWG Auction Proceeds by the ALAC should submit an Expression of Interest (EoI) including: * A resume (maximum three pages) * A statement explaining why they are interested in serving in this capacity and what skills or background they have which will help them in this CCWG. * A Declaration of Interests indicating any potential or actual conflicts. * A declaration that they can devote the time needed to participate in the CCWG and the associated At-Large WG activities. * Agreement that prior to the formal selection by the ALAC, they will attend CCWG meetings (see IMPORTANT NOTE at bottom of this message). CO-CHAIR The ALAC may also name a Co-Chair of the CCWG and the ALAC has indicated that it intends to do so. Applications are also invited to be the ALAC Co-Chair of the CCWG. The Co-Chairs play an administrative role only and do not participate in the substantive discussions of the CCWG. The time commitment of the Co-Chair is expected to be larger than that of a CCWG Member. Co-Chairs should have experience in chairing meetings and managing multi-cultural, diverse and potentially difficult groups. The EoI for Co-Chair should include all of the items required for Members. PROCESS All EoIs must be sent to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by Sunday, 22 January 2017 at 23:59 UTC. All applications will be reviewed in confidence by the ALAC Appointee Selection Committee (AASC) which will make recommendations to the ALAC on who to appoint. For AASC Membership, see https://community.icann.org/x/VwebAw[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_…>. EoIs will be available only to the AASC and ICANN At-Large Staff. Based on an initial review of the EoI, a telephone/Skype interview of the candidates may be conducted by members of the AASC. IMPORTANT NOTE: The first meeting of the CCWG will take place on Friday, 26 January at 15:00 UTC for 60 Minutes. Since the ALAC selections will not be done by then, ALL Applicants must either attend this meeting and subsequent meetings or listen to the recordings. Alan Greenberg Chair, ALAC

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Whither Outreach? (was Re: MAILCARD Feedback)
by Evan Leibovitch Jan. 18, 2017

Jan. 18, 2017

On 17 January 2017 at 16:53, gbruen(a)knujon.com <gbruen(a)knujon.com> wrote: > When Glenn and I looked at this a while ago we tried to focus on > populations getting the LEAST representation > . > >From my estimation,that would be Texans. Population 28 million, zero ALSs. > I wish we could focus on getting them engaged and not deciding which > imaginary line th > > ey're across. Turning wish to deed is possible -- and highly desirable -- but difficult. All the outreach and fellowships in the ICANN world are pointless if there's no coherent plan for how to engage this diversity once it's here. Maybe that planning should have been done BEFORE the outreach? It's my experience -- and we've already seen this with many of the first ALSs who have dropped out, gone dormant or stayed on the sidelines -- is that we're not very good at honestly explaining the context (and the limits) of what all these new voices will be able to affect once here. Many who are enticed by the promise of "have a say in how the Internet is run" are highly disappointed when they get here and see how small a corner of Internet governance is overseen by ICANN. What is different between this corner and others (ie, accessibility, censorship, net neutrality) is that this is where the money hangs out, this is the financially exploitable part of global Internet Governance that attracts the whores, speculators, cheats and investors. So it is ICANN that can pay for meetings and outreach projects that the IGF and ISOC couldn't dream of, even though the latter groups' remits are far more expansive and relevant to the public interest. Instead, we beckon this broad and wise coalition -- in theory, to advise on whether the world needs a thousand new top-level domains, or whether we must force domain owners to open sales to all domain resellers, or whether international organizations should be allowed to take domains using their acronyms off the open market. Or other things like that. And that's in the few good moments when we're not navel-gazing. Heck, we're nowhere near the deeper (and more critical) meta issues within ICANN, such as the balance between privacy and accountability (that is, should domain owners be able to hide their identity? Even if their domains are the source of fraud or hate or trolls?) These issues REQUIRE our thought and our input, and should be defining our collective role here. That's what the ICANN bylaws say we're here to do. And yet here we are, talking about mailcards, slogans, rules and procedures ... as well as how many new under-represented groups we can bring in so they too can talk about mailcards, slogans, rules and procedures. It's embarrassing, or at least it should be. Garth, this much is objectively measurable -- as NARALO's sheer numbers of ALSs have gone up, its leadership in At-Large policy analysis has plummeted. When I read in the At-Large Review about the intent to reboot (or even eliminate) the RALO/ALS model because of its lack of policy effectiveness, I felt the authors were staring right at NARALO for their rationale. (That said, most other RALOs are not much better.) Outreach is not enough, in fact at this point I would argue it's a harmful distraction. All that diversity of voice needs to be planned-for, enabled and encouraged to say something of value within ICANN, else the effort to bring it together is wasted. - Evan

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Revised Motion
by Glenn McKnight Jan. 18, 2017

Jan. 18, 2017

*REVISED MOTION* Hi Folks The previous email on the pending vote for the replacement for ALAN GREENBERG for the formal voting process had erronously included Eduardo Diaz who is not eligible since he is part of this year's current BCEC.. *In other words we will only have one person standing for the vote.* Here is the motion which will have a BIG PULSE arranged by staff to follow. This is only the motion. not the vote which staff will be sending in due course. Whereas: - Alan Greenberg is currently a Member of the ALAC from the North American Region and is a candidate for the ICANN Board seat 15 in the 2017 selection; - the ALAC Rules of Procedure (RoP) specify that under normal conditions, ALAC members constitute part of the Board Seat electorate; - the RoP forbid a candidate from being part of the electorate, but allow the RALO, by a formal vote, to identify a replacement for the purposes of the vote; - Evan Leibovitch has agreed to act in this capacity; *Do you agree that Evan Leibovitch act as a replacement for Alan Greenberg, in the event that Alan Greenberg is a candidate for Board Seat 15 at the start of the formal voting process.= Yes= Abstain* As usual, there will need to be a vote of the unaffiliated members in parallel with the ALS vote, but ending a day earlier to allow John to cast the unaffiliated vote. Thanks Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight .

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Re: [NA-Discuss] MAILCARD Feedbacl
by Javier Rua Jan. 17, 2017

Jan. 17, 2017

Ok, except that as Commonwealths, Puerto Rico and CNMI have attained a voluntary, consented, political status validated by the United Nations. http://www.anuariocdi.org/anuario3-capitulos-pdf/ACDI_V3_2010_JRua.pdf Also, as per the US State Department's Foreign Affairs Manual, 'Commonwealth' when used in connection with areas under the sovereignty of the USA that are not states of the Union, is the term that "broadly describes an area that is self-governing under a constitution of its adoption". None of the other territories have adopted their own constitutions. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua > On Jan 17, 2017, at 4:15 PM, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (johnl(a)iecc.com) Add cleanup rule | More info >> Currently despite our efforts the only locations outside Continental US >> and Canada we don't have a single US territory as a ALS. > > Sure we do: Hispanic Educational Technology Services and ISOC Puerto Rico. > > It's not surprising that you can't find ALS in the other territories, since they're all very small. There are about 3.5 million people in Puerto Rico. The rest are Guam with 165K, USVI with 104K, American Samoa with 55K, and CNMI with 53K. All the other insular areas are uninhabited other than the occasional scientific or military station. > > R's, > John > > PS: PR is called a Commonwealth, but that mans that it's an organized unincorporated territory, same as CNMI. > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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Re: [NA-Discuss] MAILCARD Feedbacl
by Javier Rua Jan. 17, 2017

Jan. 17, 2017

+1 Alfredo. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua > On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (calderon.alfredo(a)gmail.com) Add cleanup rule | More info > Glenn and all: > > I would stick with what is published at - https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/2266167 > > "NOTE: According to current the ICANN regional divisions, NARALO only comprises organisations and individuals located in Canada, the United States, and Puerto Rico. Anyone interested from Central America or the Carribbean would join LACRALO ." > > > Sent from my "iPad Air" > > Alfredo Calderón > Email: calderon.alfredo(a)gmail.com > Twylah: http://www.twylah.com/acalderon52 > Twitter: acalderon52 > Skype: Alfredo_1212 > Business card: http://myonepage.com/ acalderon > Scoop.it: http://www.scoop.it/t/aprendiendo-a-distancia > Blog: http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com > Twitter news: http://paper.li/ acalderon52 > >> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ok folks from PR it's time for you folks to step up. I asked for feedback I sent the copy for printing and now I get a counter opinion Can we settle this political self identification one last time. >> I am telling communication to hold off on printing until resolved >> >> >> G >> >> Glenn McKnight >> mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com >> skype gmcknight >> twitter gmcknight >> . >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:51 PM, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: >>>> This is the self identified view of all three of the PR reps that >>>> provided feedback on the card. >>> >>> I believe it, but it is not the view of the American reps, and PR is in NARALO because it is part of the United States. >>> >>> If we separately call out Puerto Rico, we *must* also call out the US Virgin Islands, Guam, Saipan, and American Samoa, since their status as part of the US is the same as that of Puerto Rico. This is not negotiable. >>> >>> R's, >>> John >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:06 PM, John R. Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like it, although I would not describe myself as an American (or a >>>>>>> Canadian, of course). ... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I really, really, do not want to get into this parochial political fight. >>>>> Puerto Ricans are US citizens, they have US passports, and they can travel >>>>> freely to and from the rest of the US just like any other US citizens. >>>>> >>>>> There are surely some Puerto Ricans who wish it were otherwise, but the >>>>> facts are what they are. PR is part of NARALO beause PR is part of the >>>>> U.S., not because of its physical location. Cuba and the Bahamas are >>>>> closer to the mainland US than PR is, but they're in the LAC region because >>>>> they're not part of the U.S. >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, if we're going to call out Puerto Rico separately, we >>>>> need also call out the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, Saipan, and >>>>> perhaps Hawaii, all of which are in NARALO because they're part of the U.S. >>>>> even though they're physically located in other regions. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for >>>>> Dummies", >>>>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >>>>> >>>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", >>> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly >> >> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------

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