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RIAA Foiled again By "Innocent Infringement" Defense
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

All, Seems to me that this RIAA saga has reached a level of the RIAA becoming a "Cyber bully" and therefore their Domain Name would seem to be a representation of a "Abusive Domain name. Time to take their Domain Down? Well I think so. Further, seems that the RIAA has demonstrated yet again it's decided lack of legal expertise. Small wonder eh? But they still can't seem to get the message. That being that their tactics and acumen in this area of law is less than professional or reasonable. I think I would elect to go to trial if I were the defendant or her lawyer. That way they have a chance of reducing even further the $200.00 and possibly can seek their own damages as well. http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/ NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In an interesting development in a Texas case against a college-age defendant who was 16 at the time of the infringement, the Judge has http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2008/08/innocent-infringement… denied the RIAA's summary judgment motion and ordered a trial of the damages even though the defendant admitted copyright infringement using Kazaa based on the 'innocent infringement' defense, which could reduce the statutory damages to $200 per song file. Relying on [2]BMG v. Gonzalez (PDF), the reasoning of which I http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-riaa-litigation-p… have criticized on the 'innocent infringement' issue, the RIAA argued that Ms. Harper does not qualify for the 'innocent infringement' defense, since CD versions of the songs, sold in stores, have copyright notices on them. In its http://beckermanlegal.com/Documents/maverick_harper_080808.pdf 15-page decision (PDF) the Harper court rejected that contention, holding that 'a question remains as to whether Defendant knew the warnings on compact discs were applicable in this KaZaA setting', since 'In this case, there were no compact discs with warnings.' Finding that there was a factual issue as to what the defendant knew or didn't know at the time of the infringement, the Court ordered a trial of the damages unless the RIAA agrees to accept $200 rather than the $750-plus it seeks per infringed song." Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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EFF Warns That Email Privacy Is In Jeopardy
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

All, Well yet again one of the IPC's favorite sons, the MPAA this time, has seen fit to be snoops and desires to snoop on your email via government assistance. But EFF is hopefully coming to the rescue. Good for them! Perhaps they should also get the assistance of the ACLU's Atty.'s as well. Is there any doubt that the MPAA like its twin the RIAA and their other Intellectual property paranoists need to be revoked from the IPC? No doubt in my and our members minds. I wonder if there is some way I can Enjoin this action? I do have a pending case! If so, I hope one of the EFF Atty's will contact me by phone or via Email. See: http://www.hothardware.com/ According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a http://www.hothardware.com/News/Electronic_Privacy_in_Jeopardy/ dangerous legal precedent has just been set that can potentially unravel existing federal privacy protections for e-mail and Internet usage. The http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/08/05 alert from the EFF is not just to sound a general warning, but it also takes the form of an Amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief, filed with the federal 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals, asking for the court's legal finding to be overturned... The findings of this case could become the foundation of a legal precedent upon which other similar cases can subsequently be based. If that were to be the case, then the unauthorized retrieving of e-mails from an e-mail server would not be considered a violation of the federal Wiretap Act, which will then open the door for government-sponsored snooping. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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More on/update to: BIND Still Susceptible To DNS Cache Poisoning
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

All, Well it seems that the ISC patch didn't do all that much. Typical. This is what happens when you have less than interested folks attempting to do security related fix's. Lets hope DHS gets on the ball and gets this noted soon! I am relatively sure ICANN won't. Yet, our BindPlus stands up to the test so far! >:) No holes here. I wonder how Berstein's is doing? See: John Markoff of the NYTimes writes about a Russian hacker, Evgeniy Polyakov, who has http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/technology/09flaw.html?partner=rssnyt&emc… successfully poisoned the latest, patched BIND with randomized ports. Originally, the randomized ports were never supposed to completely solve the problem, but just make it http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/08/195225&tid=172 harder to do. It was thought that with port randomization, it would take roughly a week to get a hit. Using his own http://tservice.net.ru/~s0mbre/blog exploit code, two desktop computers and a GigE link, Polyakov reduced the time to 10 hours. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Auctioning of new gTLD's response.
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

To whom it may and should concern, Interestingly enough, I personally agree with Vittorios arguments with why auctioning off new gTLD's is wrong, or in my own opinion, a very bad idea. See: http://forum.icann.org/lists/auction-consultation/msg00003.html What's worse coming from our members a bit at a time, is that they are of the belief, and I also feel rightly so, that setting this sort of precedent for implementing new gTLD's or IDN gTLD's is very bad as it sets up a pricing war akin to speculation as being done with oil futures. Such benefits only the wealthy or wealthy organizations, which does not promote good competition or realistic and fair ecommerce trade. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementationandauctioning model.]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

All, As an FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementationandauctioning model. Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:34:20 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: Hong Xue <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com>,NameCritic <namecritic(a)blogs.pn>,at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org References: <489DB449.9050507(a)vande-walle.eu><54535d540808091503k51f6fd61w9050270d7483197c(a)mail.gmail.com><008401c8fa80$a76ebf30$0201a8c0@namecritic> <54535d540808091829x456983e6t38f57633bd7d813f(a)mail.gmail.com> Hong and all, I would agree. But that's not the "ICANN Way", and never has been, and will not likely be unless or until they are forced to do so. Only DOC/NTIA can accomplish such, which is also not likely but does provide a ray of hope. ICANN needs/wants lots of $$. Auctioning off gTLD's or IDN gTLD's is a good way of accumulating a goodly sum in a fairly short period of time. My silent inside sources today have told me this is already a "Done Deal". The announcment was only to give the appearance that such is only now a consideration up for discussion/debate. A debate rat hole. Happy rat hole chasing/discussing/debating! >:) Hong Xue wrote: > What Chris said reminds me of the ALAC statement at the ICANN Public Forum: > ICANN should encourage the IDN gTLDs be run by the small-scale, > non-commercial and language community-base registries. But under the auction > model, these applicants will be simply out of the question. > > Hong > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:33 AM, NameCritic <namecritic(a)blogs.pn> wrote: > > > I couldn't agree more and in addition to that, ICANN's staff and BoD seems > > to think the only viable business plan for a registry or TLD owner is to > > sell domain names. What if a person has different goals or a business plan > > that is unique and not just money-motivated, yet they prove they can manage > > a TLD from a technical standpoint? > > > > They could be giving domain names away and it should not matter to ICANN > > and ICANN should not assume they know a good business plan from a bad one. > > It is not their function, nor is it their strong suit to evaluate business > > plans. > > > > Even those in the past who thought they were qualified to do so shot down > > business plans because they did not see them as a standard type of plan or > > one they thought would work. Take Xerox giving away their technlogy for > > computer interface or hewlett packard turning down the pc or IBM passing up > > opportunities in the software business. > > > > When ICANN puts itself into the position of having to approve the business > > plan of a prospective TLD owner, they put themselves in the liable position > > of having approved that business plan should it fail. If they do not approve > > someone's business plan, then they are restricting free enterprise and free > > trade by not allowing them to try it. > > > > ICANN's process of approving TLDs and putting prohibitive costs on the > > process is flawed and favors large business over small business. This is not > > fair to small business owners and those at ICANN know it. > > > > Years ago, the federal gov approved 60 million dollars to remodel houses in > > downtown Philadelphia. They told the city that they could have the money > > only if they also allowed small contractors to bid on those jobs rather than > > just the big companies. The city agreed. Then behind closed doors, after > > accepting the money, they decided to add a stipulation. That anyone could > > bid those jobs, but they would have to pay for all the materials and labor > > out of pocket and wait one year after completion to be reimbursed by the > > city. They knew full well this meant that small contractors would not be > > able to do so. > > > > ICANN, by charging such a high fee is barring small business owners from > > creating their own TLD while they tell everyoine it is open to everyone. > > It's a scam. > > > > Chris McElroy > > Dot SEO TLD > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hong Xue" <hongxueipr(a)gmail.com> > > To: <patrick(a)vande-walle.eu> > > Cc: <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementation > > andauctioning model. > > > > > > > > Thanks for drawing our attention on this paper. Given that the new gTLD > >> process embraces the IDN TLDs, the paper presents a very surprising, or > >> shocking view, on allocation of TLDs. If the paper is primarily on the > >> economic consideration, I wonder if the ICANN has any other consideration, > >> such as protecting cultural diversity and bridging digital divide, on > >> selection of new gTLDs (IDN gTLDs). As a governing body of a critical > >> Internet resources, ICANN should envisage the values that are more > >> important > >> and fundamental than the highest bidding amount. I echo what has been > >> precisely stated by Vittorio: > >> > >> Another wrong assumption is that monetary value is the only quantity that > >> counts.In fact, personally I think that the "value" of a TLD is mostly > >> connected to other factors. For example, one is how many final users of > >> the > >> Internet will ever use services located inside that TLD; another one is > >> how > >> strongly these people will feel attached to that TLD, i.e. whether the TLD > >> contributes to build any kind of "community identity" for an online group > >> of > >> people that presently does not have it; a third one is whether the new TLD > >> will spawn innovative uses of the DNS or enable innovative services. None > >> of > >> these is directly connected to monetary value, and it is quite disturbing > >> to > >> me that an organization like ICANN, which is meant to steward scarce > >> global > >> public resources in the interest of the entire community of the Internet, > >> still seems to have such a partial and narrow view of where the value of > >> the > >> Internet itself lies. > >> Hong > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Patrick Vande Walle > >> <patrick(a)vande-walle.eu > >> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >> > >> http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-08aug08-en.htm > >>> > >>> ICANN has published a paper from its contractor PowerAuctions LLC, > >>> regarding the use of auctions to award new TLD strings in case of > >>> contention. > >>> > >>> http://icann.org/en/topics/economic-case-auctions-08aug08-en.pdf > >>> > >>> I think it would be important that the At Large speaks up. The model > >>> proposed in the document is a purely capitalistic one. It is based on > >>> the assumption that all gTLDs are created to make as much money as > >>> possible. Smaller, community based TLDs seem quite difficult to launch > >>> in such context. > >>> > >>> The mere possibility of auctions will actually generate contention on > >>> some strings. The little guys wishing to establish a not-for-profit TLD > >>> will be outplayed by the wealthy ones. > >>> > >>> A public forum has been established at > >>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/auction-consultation/. > >>> Comments to auction-consultation(a)icann.org before 8 September 2008. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Patrick Vande Walle > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> At-Large mailing list > >>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>> > >>> > >>> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > >>> > >>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> At-Large mailing list > >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > >> > >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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[Fwd: [Fwd 6th no reason given to: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementationandauctioning model.]]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

All, Again yet another censorship sad comentary... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd 6th no reason given to: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementationandauctioning model.] Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:23:14 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: "matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org" <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>,Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org>,Cheryl Langdon-Orr <cheryl(a)hovtek.com.au>,GAC Rep <ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov> CC: DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep <aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov>,Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk>,Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com>,"ICANN Admin supp. Manager Karen Lettner" <karen.lettner(a)icann.org>,ICANN Dan Halloran <halloran(a)icann.org>,ICANN Kim Davies <kim.davies(a)icann.org>,icann legal <jeffrey(a)icann.org>,ICANN Marc Salvatierra <marc.salvatierra(a)icann.org> Matthias et., al., Ok, what is the reason? Do you just not like me? Ahhhhh, what a shame, eh? And additionally how childish. How does the ALAC ever expect to gain any respect for an significant number of users/stakeholders with this sort of childish behavior? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementationandauctioning model. Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:04:54 -0400 From: at-large-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To: jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Your message was rejected Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: [Fwd 5th no reason given to: Re: [At-Large] Moderation of Jeff Williams - ICANN - Jefsey]]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 9, 2008

Aug. 9, 2008

All, Another sad FYI... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd 5th no reason given to: Re: [At-Large] Moderation of Jeff Williams - ICANN - Jefsey] Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:18:44 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: "matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org" <matthias.langenegger(a)icann.org>,Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart(a)icann.org>,GAC Rep <ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy(a)seltzer.com> CC: DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep <aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov>,"ICANN Admin supp. Manager Karen Lettner" <karen.lettner(a)icann.org>,ICANN Dan Halloran <halloran(a)icann.org>,ICANN Kim Davies <kim.davies(a)icann.org>,icann legal <jeffrey(a)icann.org>,ICANN Marc Salvatierra <marc.salvatierra(a)icann.org>,ICANN Policy Staff <policy(a)icann.org>, Chris McElroy <chris(a)seo.pn> Matthias et., al., Ok, what is the reason? Do you just not like me? Ahhhhh, what a shame, eh? And additionally how childish. How does the ALAC ever expect to gain any respect for an significant number of users/stakeholders with this sort of childish behavior? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [At-Large] Moderation of Jeff Williams - ICANN - Jefsey Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:50:11 -0400 From: at-large-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To: jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com Your message was rejected Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Updates to New gTLD Program Implementation andauctioning model.
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 8, 2008

Aug. 8, 2008

Patrick and all, Yes this is a bad idea. It sets a bad precedent, that will be contentious for years to come. But as the lady of the evening once said, "Money walks, and BS just talks". What remains now in this context is, will the sluts prevail? Maybe .XXX will get another opportunity... Patrick Vande Walle wrote: > http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-08aug08-en.htm > > ICANN has published a paper from its contractor PowerAuctions LLC, > regarding the use of auctions to award new TLD strings in case of > contention. > > http://icann.org/en/topics/economic-case-auctions-08aug08-en.pdf > > I think it would be important that the At Large speaks up. The model > proposed in the document is a purely capitalistic one. It is based on > the assumption that all gTLDs are created to make as much money as > possible. Smaller, community based TLDs seem quite difficult to launch > in such context. > > The mere possibility of auctions will actually generate contention on > some strings. The little guys wishing to establish a not-for-profit TLD > will be outplayed by the wealthy ones. > > A public forum has been established at > http://forum.icann.org/lists/auction-consultation/. > Comments to auction-consultation(a)icann.org before 8 September 2008. > > -- > Patrick Vande Walle > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: Re: [At-Large] Moderation of Jeff Williams - ICANN - Jefsey]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 8, 2008

Aug. 8, 2008

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [At-Large] Moderation of Jeff Williams - ICANN - Jefsey Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:44:08 -0700 From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com> Organization: IDNS and Spokesman for INEGroup To: at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: Bill Silverstein <icann-list(a)sorehands.com>,GAC Rep <ssene(a)ntia.doc.gov>,DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep <aheineman(a)ntia.doc.gov>,Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> References: <C4C0E5D7.9DA1%staff(a)atlarge.icann.org><3F3E15DA767FE34598D8776192CA23A6046D510D(a)CUEXVS2.consumer.org><200808090636.m796a7FO005423(a)ns1.irnic.ir><13e529281e5b1cdd6f27dccf03ea090c.squirrel(a)mail.sorehands.com> <200808091024.1krPmY1Za3Nl36H2(a)mx-laughing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> JFC and all, ROFLMAO! How incessantly paranoid! You seed far too much credit to me, and far too less to reality. Besides I am only a messenger. So why shoot the messenger. What is important is the message(s). And indeed there is little or no difference between what is relevant to the Internet, especially DNS, and what is relevant to ICANN. Such was certainly not my idea, but ICANN's circa 1999. JFC Morfin wrote: > At 08:49 09/08/2008, Bill Silverstein wrote: > >Many of his recent comments have been relevant to the internet > >community, but not to the issues of ICANN. > > Would you mean there would be a difference ? > > jfc > > PS. I had actually two reasons to question Beau : > > - to understand if he was genuine when asking what non-American > really think about ICANN the biaised way he did (most do not mind the > USG, they mind the "stakholder"'s dominance). As several others, for > 8 years, I try to understand who "Jeff Willians" really _are_, what > is exactly their role and the wheight they carry in the Internet > community, who pays and inform them, who support or use them. This is > why I am always interested in the activists who are serious about > Jeff Williams, resurecting them once they have been dealt with, and > being unnecessarily rude (a way increase the attention). > > - to help ALAC to get real. If their mechanic cannot cope with "Jeff > Williams" there is a bug or a civilization issue : who is to be the > reference - the mechanic or the person. This is very important : if > ALAC choses to protect instead of improve the mechanic while the WSIS > consensus (including the USA) said that the Information Society had > to be "people centered, à charactère humain, centrada en la persona", > then we definitly know on which side people are to be. > > Let get real. If ALAC wants to be/stay as a stable community helper, > it must able to survive scores of Jeff Williams, from 200 national > ALAC communities in 250 languages. This means considering a similar > approach to ISOC which consider an adequate relational tool. It must > also consider an adequate structural architecture. The whole ICANN > problem everyone can observe through the IIC issue is the one that > the French GAC VP asked Peter Dungate Trush : > - you say that ICANN's structure adequately survived the last 10 > years and has just to be consolidated. > - some do not think it was adequate. > - how do you know that a centralized American English ASCII oriented > structure would be adequate to a Multilingual distributed Internet. > > If ALAC wants to really help ICANN, it must first to become "Jeff > Williams Proof" in English, then in French, in Chinese, and in 250 > national languages (ISO 3166) and then in 30.000 geolingual > environments (ISO 639-6 - LS640). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.ican… > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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[Fwd: [ga] FYI Fwd: Kaminsky on djbdns bugs]
by Jeffrey A. Williams Aug. 8, 2008

Aug. 8, 2008

All, Of course Joe and Kaminsky are correct and have been for years. Yet ICANN and the ISC have been unable or unwilling to do the right thing. Well that's a shame, a very huge shame indeed. We, took matters into our own hands as did Bernstein, and desinged our own BIND product. To date, no security holes recognized. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ga] FYI Fwd: Kaminsky on djbdns bugs Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:44:32 -0400 From: "Joe Baptista" <baptista(a)publicroot.org> To: Ga <ga(a)gnso.icann.org> FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joe Baptista<baptista(a)publicroot.org> Date: Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Kaminsky on djbdns bugs To: Erwin Hoffmann <feh(a)fehcom.de> Cc: dns(a)list.cr.yp.to Hi, On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Erwin Hoffmann <feh(a)fehcom.de> wrote: Hi, At 03:42 08.08.2008 +0000, D. J. Bernstein wrote: Kyle Wheeler writes: > That makes it easier for an attacker to guess the right number, but > only somewhat (your chances per-guess go from one in four billion to, > say, thirty in four billion). This criticism of djbdns seems > somewhat... well, specious. http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/forgery.html has, for several years, stated the results of exactly this attack: The dnscache program uses a cryptographic generator for the ID and query port to make them extremely difficult to predict. However, * an attacker who makes a few billion random guesses is likely to succeed at least once; * tens of millions of guesses are adequate with a colliding attack; etc. The same page also states bilateral and unilateral workarounds that would raise the number of guesses to "practically impossible"; but then focuses on the real problem, namely that "attackers with access to the network would still be able to forge DNS responses." Yes. I've posted years ago an URL to tinydns.org (originating from Security Focus) with a very careful analyis about the above topic Kaminsky claims now to be a new affair -- however, the link has been removed (I can post a copy of the article in PDF format on request). i'd be interested in seeing it. Most of what Kaminsky discusses is pretty old and well know - obviously except for the BIND guys (regarding DNS). The BIND guys know it. The BIND guys patch BIND every year. But it so half assed. How many versions of BIND have been published to address security issue. Answer - every single one. I've complained for years about this. Especially to the internet DNS pirates at ICANN. It goes no where. What pisses me off is that they have the resources to do a good job but don't. From their point of view it seems every BIND vulnerability is a marketing opportunity. It has been either an attempt to use the security issue to deny users access to port 53 or in this case an attempt to market a crappy protocol like DNSSEC - which is in my opinion an attempt by a technical community to give control of the root to the 13 root gods. Even worse; here in Germany on the Heise ticker, there es more confusion regarding MacOS an the missing dnslib patches from Apple (sailing on the waves of Kaminsky's 'discoveries'). The common misunderstandings about the roles of the stub-resolver, the dns-cache/full-resolver, and the dns-content-server seem to be persistent; in particular in spite of DNSSEC. regards. --eh. (The german reading folks may have a look in the 2nd edition of my book "Technik der IP-Netze" which explains DNS -- I shall translate that chapter into english and make in public available; any volonteers?) 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