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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Dominik, Evan, and all, I understood that the context to which you refer Dominik is one possible meaning. But not the only one. Still, my questions stand as relevant in any context, which is why I posed them in the manner in which I did. Users can only represent themselves as whom and what they are in the manner they are most familier with even if that manner is offensive to other users irrespective of context. Parsing or attributing context to a particular meaning in any language can be difficult, often misunderstood, and frequently malinged improperly. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: Jun 22, 2008 6:53 AM >To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com>, alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Jeff, > >Evan's wording is ok. I see it in the context 'what would happen if' in >connection with other posts on this thread. > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:09 AM >To: Dominik Filipp; alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >Cc: NA Discuss >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Dominik and all, > > I am not sure how the summit organizers could endanger the ALAC or the >RALO's any worse than they have endangered themselves already. I am >also clearly sure the statement on the ALAC review is significantly >flawed as to user participation and representation on the ICANN Bod as >it does not reflect the known users desires and reasonable rights via >the OECD declaration posted earlier, nor accomplish ICANN's mission re >the MOU. > >Again for OECD declaration see: >http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf >Note: I and our members fully support the principals of this declaration >and believe that it largely can and should apply to ICANN. > > Further I am more than a bit baffled by Evan's meaning by stating >"improper comments by some individuals". What "improper comments by >some individuals" is he referring to, and how could their be such >statements in the first place, unless he is just stating his own >personal opinion as if it were gospel or even actually authoritative to >stakeholder/users everywhere, which obviously such cannot be true? >Evan, can you clarify please? Please bare in mind that if you answer >directly, and regardless of your answer, casting false aspersions upon >others, however indirectly, is in and of itself often times considered >"improper" or not "appropriate" in legal parlance. >And if done so publicly is considered civil defamation. > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >>Sent: Jun 22, 2008 1:02 AM >>To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >>Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review >> >>Evan, >> >>I am not suggesting anything about At-Large itself let alone the >>importance of the summit. >> >>The only thing I am sugesting is a view how the summit organizers who >>could 'endager' the summit are looking at At-Large. That is what I have >>understood from the remark. >> >>To clarify my point further I am appending another remark from the post >> >>"the ensuing reaction to the report, might be grounds for staff and >>board to rethink support for the summit at this time" >> >>I am optimistic :-) >> >>Dominik >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:48 AM >>To: Dominik Filipp >>Cc: Robert Guerra; NA Discuss >>Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review >> >>Dominik Filipp wrote: >>>> that being that a negative response by At-large to the review could >>>> endanger the summit being ok'd >>>> >>> >>> Does it mean if At-Large baby will not be obedient it will be >>punished? >>> If so, I would then fully understand why the ALAC voted as it voted. >>> >>I think it is grossly unfair to suggest that most of the people here >are >>acting this way. Some of the stronger supporters of strong NARALO >>naction on this issue have also been key organizers of the Summit. >> >>IMO the Summit is a *necessary* activity of ICANN if it is to prove to >>outsiders (and especially the US government) that it at least is >>minimally serious about multi stakeholder involvement. If they can the >>Summit because of improper comments by some individuals, well than that >>doubly proves that ICANN does not really care about having an educated >>and active At-Large. I prefer to stay optimistic until proven >otherwise. >> >>- Evan >> >> >>------ >>NA-Discuss mailing list >>NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-list >s.icann.org >> >>Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>------ > Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Dominik and all, I am not sure how the summit organizers could endanger the ALAC or the RALO's any worse than they have endangered themselves already. I am also clearly sure the statement on the ALAC review is significantly flawed as to user participation and representation on the ICANN Bod as it does not reflect the known users desires and reasonable rights via the OECD declaration posted earlier, nor accomplish ICANN's mission re the MOU. Again for OECD declaration see: http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf Note: I and our members fully support the principals of this declaration and believe that it largely can and should apply to ICANN. Further I am more than a bit baffled by Evan's meaning by stating "improper comments by some individuals". What "improper comments by some individuals" is he referring to, and how could their be such statements in the first place, unless he is just stating his own personal opinion as if it were gospel or even actually authoritative to stakeholder/users everywhere, which obviously such cannot be true? Evan, can you clarify please? Please bare in mind that if you answer directly, and regardless of your answer, casting false aspersions upon others, however indirectly, is in and of itself often times considered "improper" or not "appropriate" in legal parlance. And if done so publicly is considered civil defamation. -----Original Message----- >From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp(a)dsoft.sk> >Sent: Jun 22, 2008 1:02 AM >To: Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> >Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Evan, > >I am not suggesting anything about At-Large itself let alone the >importance of the summit. > >The only thing I am sugesting is a view how the summit organizers who >could 'endager' the summit are looking at At-Large. That is what I have >understood from the remark. > >To clarify my point further I am appending another remark from the post > >"the ensuing reaction to the report, might be grounds for staff and >board to rethink support for the summit at this time" > >I am optimistic :-) > >Dominik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] >Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:48 AM >To: Dominik Filipp >Cc: Robert Guerra; NA Discuss >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Dominik Filipp wrote: >>> that being that a negative response by At-large to the review could >>> endanger the summit being ok'd >>> >> >> Does it mean if At-Large baby will not be obedient it will be >punished? >> If so, I would then fully understand why the ALAC voted as it voted. >> >I think it is grossly unfair to suggest that most of the people here are >acting this way. Some of the stronger supporters of strong NARALO >naction on this issue have also been key organizers of the Summit. > >IMO the Summit is a *necessary* activity of ICANN if it is to prove to >outsiders (and especially the US government) that it at least is >minimally serious about multi stakeholder involvement. If they can the >Summit because of improper comments by some individuals, well than that >doubly proves that ICANN does not really care about having an educated >and active At-Large. I prefer to stay optimistic until proven otherwise. > >- Evan > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Civil society/Internet users statement in Seoul to the OECD
by Brendler, Beau June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

Hello, folks. I realize we all have a lot on our own plates during Paris. However, I attach here the "Seoul declaration" of civil society and organized labor (and some groups representing individual internet users) from the OECD meeting last week. There were a few of our ICANN community colleagues there, including Izumi Aizu, Adam Peake, and Wolfgang Kleinwachter, and I was there. If NA RALO (or even the ALAC) chose to endorse this statement, it could do so. I have my own opinions about the statement itself. I do find it interesting that in some ways the "user community" that made this statement to the OECD has some similar concerns about how that organization accepts feedback from Internet users. The OECD structure seems to give the user community (referred to, perhaps unfortunately, as "civil society and organized labor") equal footing with the business constituency and the government constituency, at least in appearance. We can only guess how the ministers themselves weigh it, however. -----Original Message----- From: coalition-bounces(a)mailman.epic.org on behalf of Katitza Rodriguez Pereda Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 11:10 PM To: coalition(a)mailman.thepublicvoice.org Subject: [Coalition] The Seoul Declaration Please help us spread the word of the Declaration ------------------------------- Dear all, A diverse group of civil society groups have worked on a joint Civil Society Declaration to the OECD 2008 Ministerial on the Future of the Internet Economy, which is currently taking place in Seoul. It raises a number of issues of major importance to the civil society community and makes a number of recommendations to move us towards the future of the Internet that meets the essential needs of all the world's citizens. The declaration has been signed by (so far) EPIC, EFF, EDRi, IRIS, IT4Change, Public Knowledge, APC, and Consumers Korea, Jinbonet, and many individuals who are present in Seoul The full text of the Declaration is at: <http://thepublicvoice.org/events/seoul08/seoul-declaration.pdf> and set out in clear text below (apologies for formatting) The declaration is open for sign on by civil society organizations and individual CS representatives. If your organization / you are interested in signing on, please email Katitza Rodriguez Pereda of EPIC at katitza(a)datos-personales.org. Many thanks and all best, --- June 2008 1 "The Civil Society-TUAC Seoul Declaration" CIVIL SOCIETY - TUAC "THE SEOUL DECLARATION" TO THE OECD MINISTERIAL CONFERENCE ON THE FUTURE OF THE INTERNET ECONOMY Seoul, Korea 16 June 2008 This gathering of civil society organizations and organized labor at the OECD Ministerial Conference on the Future of the Internet Economy provides a unique opportunity to bring to the attention of the OECD Ministers assembled and the OECD member countries the concerns and aspirations of people around the globe, those who are on the Internet and those who are not. We thank the OECD and the Government of Korea for the opportunity to organize a civil society and labor event and to participate in the OECD Ministerial Conference. Civil society and labor together prepared a paper for the OECD and organized a conference "Making the future of the Internet work for citizens, consumers and workers." A wide range of organizations participated in this effort, and this Declaration builds on its results. A BROAD FRAMEWORK FOR THE FUTURE OF THE INTERNET ECONOMY The policy goals for the Future Internet Economy should be considered within the broader framework of protection of human rights, the promotion of democratic institutions, access to information, and the provision of affordable and non-discriminatory access to advanced communication networks and services. Compliance with international human rights standards and respect for the rule of law, as well as effective human rights protection, must be the baseline for assessing global information society policies. Economic growth should be for the many and not the few. The Internet should be available to all. We therefore call attention of the OECD to Ministers to the following issues and we make the following recommendations: * Freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is being violated around the globe by state censorship and by more subtle measures such as content filtering, privatized censorship and restrictions on so- called "harmful content." We urge the OECD to defend freedom of expression and to oppose mandated filtering, censorship of Internet content, and criminalization of content that is protected under international freedom of expression standards. * Protection of Privacy and Transparency, We reaffirm our support for the OECD Privacy Guidelines as a fundamental policy instrument setting out minimal requirements for the transborder flow of personal data. We recommend adoption of the recent policy guidance on RFID and Online Identity Theft as Council Recommendations. We call on OECD countries to adopt and enforce data protection laws covering all sectors, both online and offline, and to establish international data protection standards that are legally enforceable. We further urge member states to ensure fairness, transparency, and accountability for all data processing for border security, identification, and decision-making concerning individuals. * Consumer Protection. Trust and confidence are critical to the success of the Internet economy. The OECD should ensure that consumer protection laws are properly enforced and cover digital products to the same extent that other consumer goods and services are covered. We recommend that the OECD adopt the policy proposals on Empowering Consumers in Communications Services and in Mobile Commerce as Council Recommendations, and that the OECD member countries implement these recommendations. We support the OECD's efforts to facilitate cross- border enforcement of anti-spam laws and to develop effective online dispute resolution mechanisms. * Employment, Decent Work and Skills. We recommend that OECD Member countries promote learning and training opportunities for workers and address the technological and organizational change in the workplace. We further urge the OECD to lower the carbon footprint of the ICT industry and to promote compliance with core labor standards and the OECD Guidelines for Multinational Enterprises. * Promotion of Access to Knowledge. We support open access to government-funded scientific and scholarly works and endorse the OECD Principles and Guidelines for Access to Research Data. We support the OECD Recommendation for Enhanced Access and More Effective Use of Public Information. OECD countries should oppose extensions of copyright terms and private ownership of essential knowledge and cultural information that can be made available on the Internet. We recommend that the OECD undertake a study on the importance of copyright exceptions for education, libraries and archives, the disability community, and new innovative services. * Internet Governance. Internet governance structures should reflect democratic values and be transparent and publicly accountable to users. Global Internet policymaking should involve equal participation of all people, countries, and stakeholders. We call upon the OECD member states to support the Internet Governance Forum and to promote the multi- stakeholder process of the World Summit on the Information Society. * Promotion of Open Standards and Net Neutrality. Standards-making processes should be open and should encourage competition. This promotes innovation and development. We support the procurement policies that promote open standards, open data formats, and free and open software. We further recommend that the OECD Member Countries oppose discrimination by network providers against particular applications, devices, or content and preserve the Internet's role in fostering innovation, economic growth, and democratic communication. * Balanced Intellectual Property Policies. We urge the OECD member countries to maintain a balanced framework for intellectual property protection that is least intrusive to personal privacy, least restrictive for the development of new technologies, and that promotes creativity, innovation, and learning. We support the OECD Policy Guidance for Digital Content. OECD countries should oppose proposals that would deny individuals access to all Internet services and opportunities based on alleged copyright infringement. We are also concerned about the secrecy of the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement" (ACTA) treaty process and the possibility of policies that may limit legitimate business activity, the participative web, and e-government service delivery. * Support for Pluralistic Media. The Internet is a universal platform for innovation, growth, and the ability of people to express and share their views. New forms of media and new applications are emerging that challenge old paradigms and enable broader public participation. At the same time, dominant Internet firms are moving to consolidate their control over the Internet. It is vitally important for the OECD to develop a better understanding of the challenge industry consolidations pose to the open Internet. The OECD Policy Guidance on Convergence and Next Generation Networks provides a basis this work. * Inclusive Digital Society. The Internet should be accessible to all. OECD member countries should ensure that all residents have the means to access the Internet and should provide public Internet access, training and support. Particular attention should be paid to rural, remote and aboriginal populations, as well as the disability community. * Cultural Diversity. We support the efforts of the OECD to promote access to the full range of the world's cultures and to ensure that the Internet economy reflects the true diversity of language, art, science, and literature in our world. The deployment of International Domain Names should be a priority. PARTICIPATION OF CIVIL SOCIETY AND LABOUR This participation of civil society and organized labor reaffirms the role of all stakeholders in the Future of the Internet Economy. Now it is time to formalize this process. In 1998 civil society and labor urged the OECD Ministerial Conference in Ottawa to establish an Advisory Council, similar to the Business Industry Advisory Committee (BIAC) for business and the Trade Union Advisory Committee (TUAC) for labor. We said that this new Advisory Council should include civil society groups in such fields as human rights and democracy, privacy and data protection, consumer protection, and access to information and knowledge. We urge the OECD to establish now the Civil Society Advisory Committee. The creation of an OECD Civil Society Advisory Committee is necessary to help realize the democratic goals of inclusion, participation, transparency and accountability at the OECD. The OECD offers an important forum for the discussion of policies concerning the future of the Internet. We welcome this dialogue and urge the Ministers and members countries of the OECD to fully engage civil society and labor organizations within their own countries. In all decisions related to the Internet economy, we advise the OECD Ministers and the members countries to give particular attention to those indicators concerning literacy, education, and health. The success of the Internet Economy should be measured by the well-being of citizens, and not simply the extent of technology diffusion. *** Scanned

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Re: [NA-Discuss] [ga] Potential Danger Ahead for Registrants -- dot-info Abusive Domain Use Policy
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 22, 2008

June 22, 2008

George and all, Glad you swung in George ( of the jungle )! Must be a banana shortage amongst other food shortages in your neck of the jungle. >:) But more to the point, yes this is rather troubling indeed. And yes of course, registries like Verisign I am sure are watching very closely to see how ICANN responds and indeed may respond in kind. This request seems like a "Post-front-running" scheme to me... The real danger is that if approved, and/or practiced by afilias or other registries for political purposes to suppress speech, I am rather sure that the courts will need to be involved at some point to correct abusive registry practices such as this one could become or used for. However there is always an upside to this requests approach to dealing with abusive Domains, such as those the promote Child pornography, spam, and those that are frequently used for phishing purposes. Such a practice would relieve the ICANN staff from doing their oversight in this narrow but very important regard and at the same time send a message to other yet to be reveled or known abusive domain name registrants that they need to clean up their act, or face Registry damnation. But than again I thought that DMCA and LEA's and the courts is/are for addressing these abusive Domain name problems? If now these entities are not adequate as ACTA indicates, and perhaps the courts dockets are too inundated with filings as well as US-CERT.gov and IC3.GOV filed complaints are too numerous to address in a timely manner, than perhaps this request will act as a potential relief valve? -----Original Message----- >From: George Kirikos <gkirikos(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: Jun 21, 2008 3:50 PM >To: ga(a)gnso.icann.org >Subject: [ga] Potential Danger Ahead for Registrants -- dot-info Abusive Domain Use Policy > > >Hi folks, > >ICANN has posted a request by Afilias for a new registry service in >relation to "abusive" domains in dot-info: > >http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/index.html#2008007 >http://www.icann.org/registries/rsep/afilias-request-20jun08.pdf > >While in general the proposal is motivated by good intentions, the >devil is in the details. While most folks (including myself) probably >care very little about the .info TLD, my concern is that any bad >implementation in .info might be copied or used as a precedent in other >more important TLDs, in particular .com run by VeriSign. > >In particular: > > >"Pursuant to Section 3.6.5 of the RRA, Afilias reserves the right to >deny, **cancel** or transfer any registration or transaction, or place >any domain name(s) on registry lock, hold or similar status, that it >deems necessary, **in its discretion**;........" > >(emphasis added) > >I would be against giving VeriSign (if the model was copied to .com) >that discretionary power over my company's domains, especially the >"right to cancel." What exactly is "illegal"? In China, I'm sure there >are many things that are illegal that are perfectly legal in Canada, >the USA or the EU. Suppose a domain name gets hacked for a brief time, >and is temporarily used to serve up spam or malware, etc. That company >experiencing bad luck, having their site hacked, can then be put >totally out of business in the event that the registry operator, "in >its discretion," decides to cancel the domain name. > >Thus, I think concern should be raised that any implementation be very >conservative in order to protect the inherent right of registrants to >due process. The potential for harm in a bad implementation is >enormous, and companies and individuals could be put out of business if >a valuable domain name is taken from a registrant. > >Sincerely, > >George Kirikos >http://www.kirikos.com/ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] ALAC Review Draft is published
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

Bret and all, I and I am very sure most users and registrants are more interested in what is "Best for ICANN" than what is simply "Good for ICANN" given that ICANN is a service Corporation 501 c(3) California corporation with a defined and distinct duty to the community it serves which are the users and registrant-users. Registries and Registrars are a part of the service ICANN is required to provide accordingly. Further it is the users that ultimately PAY for the service ICANN is supposed to and required to provide. So frankly yet again, I don't believe that ICANN is even adaquately providing the service it is required to provide despite the good to execellent advise it has long now been provided to do so. -----Original Message----- >From: Bret Fausett <bfausett(a)internet.law.pro> >Sent: Jun 20, 2008 8:48 AM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ALAC Review Draft is published > >On Jun 20, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: >> The NomComm, like the people it selects, are accountable to nothing >> but >> an abstract notion of what is "good for ICANN". > >This is, in fact, the very guide that everyone uses when assuming an >official role within an organization, profit or non-profit. Officers >and Directors have a fiduciary obligation to act in the best interests >of the corporation. > >I suppose I'm having difficulty understanding what different >accountability mechanism you are recommending, because from my >perspective, everyone in an official ICANN position, from your >position as NARALO Chair all the way to the CEO and Chairman of the >Board, has an obligation to act for the "good of ICANN." That >obligation necessarily trumps any other obligation to any other body, >including one's employer, constituency, or ALS. > >That said, we can, and should in a healthy ICANN, have differing views >about what is "good for ICANN." > > Bret > > > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

Bret and all, Now you got it! Execellent approach! I do believe Robert attempted to do this very thing with his "Core Values" thread recently, but was chastized and rebuffed regarding the "Privacy" consideration. So this may also be a contentious approach as well, but in my view a far better approach none the less. Along this line one might want to review: Appeals Court Grants 4th Amendment Protection to Electronic Messages http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2008-06-19-privacy-work-commun… http://www.latimes.com/business/la-me-text19-2008jun19,0,933444.story And: Software Engineer First to be Sentenced Under Economic Espionage Act http://www.cybercrime.gov/mengSent.pdf http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/19/BARD11B9U7.DTL And: US Congress to Consider Eavesdropping Law http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/19/congress.wiretaps/index.html http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/FISAINTRO_001_xml.pdf ] And: NebuAd Comes Under Fire for Allegedly Violating User Privacy and Security http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Report-slams-US-advert-server-for-wi… http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art… http://www.freepress.net/files/NebuAd_Report.pdf -----Original Message----- >From: Bret Fausett <bfausett(a)internet.law.pro> >Sent: Jun 20, 2008 10:40 AM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >I might try a different approach. Rather than tearing down the >Westlake report, why don't we list those principals we believe most >important for the ALAC going forward? Remember, this is a review of >the ALAC, not a review of the Westlake report, so we should talk about >how we want the ALAC to evolve. What do we want for staff support, >funding, representation on the Board and SOs? > > Bret > > > >------ >NA-Discuss mailing list >NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic… > >Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >------ Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1(a)ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review
by Jeffrey A. Williams June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

Robert and all, Frankly it seems clear that the ALAC review was intended to devide users from different regions. The politics and games are a result of long standing lack of professional leadership of the ICANN staff and Bod. That reality can change, but without users and registrants driving for that change consistantly such a change will never fully be realized. -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Guerra <lists(a)privaterra.info> >Sent: Jun 20, 2008 3:14 PM >To: NA Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Draft NARALO statement on ALAC review > >Evan: > >a couple of quick comments : > >- I would focus comments just on the report, and be softer on the >language related to the selection of the consultant. >- agree with evan's comments - though there is a larger - political >issue worth considering. that being that a negative response by >At-large to the review could endanger the summit being ok'd >- a politically saavy person would not ouright reject the summit >proposal - but, instead place poisoned recommendations in the alac >review. the ensuing reaction to the report, might be grounds for staff >and board to rethink support for the summit at this time. After all - >our input - politics and games - should be expected. That is the >political reality that is ICANN. the at-large community needs to >think strategically and have a - strong voice to react to the draft. >otherwise, it could be used to divide us. > >- Should we have strong reaction to the report (and i'm supportive of >that), it would be preferable if we could get other at-large regions >to support us. That way, it wouldn't be jsut NA - but broader. > >- specifics : we should also include specific changes, that we'd like to see. > >that's all for now. let's continue this discussion face to face - and >virtually - as much of NA ralo can't make to paris. > >Robert > > >On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> wrote: >> >> NOTE: This is a draft, produced as a result of interest expressed in my >> earlier query of this list. Even though it says "reached by consensus", >> that of course will not be the case if we do not reach consensus. >> >> Please -- SOON -- offer changes of any kind as well as any other >> comments. If at least rough consensus is possible, I would like to have >> a final version ready for presentation by Saturday night. >> >> If it sounds to strong, or not strong enough, or you just don't like the >> tone, etc. please suggest changes. >> >> - Evan >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> NARALO, by consensus agreement, urges ALAC to take every measure >> possible to encourage rejection of the report of the 2008 ALAC review by >> the ICANN board and other members of the ICANN community. >> >> The ALAC Review process has been flawed from the initial choice of >> review consultants, which we believe may have adversely affected the >> independence of the review itself. Such suspicions appear to be >> warranted by the complete lack of consideration of the needs of At-Large >> in the reviewers' draft recommendations. While the report indicates we >> were heard, we were clearly not listened to. >> >> The logic behind the recommendation to deny At-Large voting membership >> on the ICANN Board is puzzling; even in its best possible interpretation >> the rationale emphasizes rigidity over good and responsible governance. >> >> Not only do the ALAC review recommendations fail to progress the needs >> of ICANN's At-Large community, they take a significant step backwards by >> requesting that an even larger proportion of ALAC than currently exists >> be composed of unaccountable, non-representative appointees of the >> Nominating Committee. The result is a real and visible reduction of the >> voice of the community for whom ALAC is supposed to speak. >> >> Indeed, most of the report's recommendations appear designed to deny the >> vision ICANN originally had for At-Large, to reduce the influence of >> At-Large within ICANN, to reduce transparency, and to obstruct community >> outreach. The review fails totally to address the fact that ICANN's >> relationship with At-Large is bi-directional. >> >> What is at issue is not only what the community must offer to ICANN, but >> also what ICANN _owes_ to the community of Internet users who have >> neither financial nor academic interest in Internet operation. >> >> For these reasons, we call upon ALAC and other members of the ICANN >> community to challenge the recommendations of the current ALAC review, >> as well as the very frames of reference upon which they were >> constructed. 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ALAC Review Draft is published
by Evan Leibovitch June 20, 2008

June 20, 2008

Well, folks, here it is. Summary of recommendations: http://icann.org/reviews/alac/alac-draft-summary-recommendations-13jun08.pdf Full report: http://icann.org/reviews/alac/alac-independent-review-final-draft-13jun08.p… Highlights: * Create two new ALAC positions, appointed by the Nominating Committee, both from Asia, to reflect that region's increased proportion of global Internet users * No other structural changes to ALAC composition * Give the existing structure a chance to work, but review the effectiveness of the RALO/ALS structure at the next ALAC review * Status quo regarding Board representation -- liaison with no vote * ALAC should establish an annual Statement of Intent as well as Strategic and Operational Plans * Increase in dedicated staff to one person per region * Increase the public comment period to allow ALAC more time to adequately respond to issues * More effective use of web-based tools to increase user participation; specifically, preference of wikis over mailing lists * Staff control over said web-based tools * Regular ALS compliance reviews There will be a workshop on the ALAC review held in the Paris meeting, and four people (Robert, Beau, Darlene and myself) will be representing NARALO there. While Wendy and Alan are not specifically there to represent us, they can still help advance our region's view. Comments -- especially specific "deal-breaking" issues -- are not only welcomed, they're _needed_ for us to play our role in shaping the future of ALAC. I urge you to read the report -- at very least the summary -- and at least understand the rationale for their recommendations before you state your case against them. :-) Please... even if you do not contribute regularly here, this is one of those pivotal times when we really do need to hear from everyone. Love it, hate it, mixed or neutral, we need your feedback this week! - Evan

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Improvement of the Win-Win relationship between the Staff and A-Large
by Thompson, Darlene June 19, 2008

June 19, 2008

Hi guys, See a portion of Frederic's message below. We really need to get this into ICANN ASAP. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca <mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca> ________________________________ From: Frederic Teboul [mailto:frederic.teboul@icann.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:07 PM To: Evan Leibovitch Cc: Thompson, Darlene Subject: Re: Secretariat Meeting: 24th of June Moreover and for your information, 5 out of 17 ALSes from NARALO have answered to our questionnaire entitled "Improvement of the win-win relationship between the Staff and the At-Large Community". Therefore, I would highly appreciate if you could please send a "strong" reminder to our ALSes community in order to answer to these questions as soon as possible, so we can take the information we receive, put it together, and then design a longer-term plan for At-Large. In this respect, please find attached the English version of our "call". Many thanks for your understanding and your responses, Frederic Frederic E. Teboul, Ph.D., MBA Manager for At-Large Regional Affairs Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Phone Number: +33 6 3487 0575 (France) & +1 310 578 8642 (USA) Email: frederic.teboul(a)icann.org AIM/iSight: frederic.teboul(a)mac.com Jabber: frederic.teboul(a)jabber.icann.org Skype: frederic.teboul On 17/06/08 18:34, "Evan Leibovitch" <evan(a)telly.org> wrote: Frederic Teboul wrote: > Hello Evan and I trust all is well with you. Hi there! > I am currently reviewing the meeting notes as well as action items of > previous secretariat meeting in order to prepare our next week's > meeting (24th of June): > https://st.icann.org/secretariat/index.cgi?24_june_2008. > > Please do not hesitate to provide me any feedbacks, advices and/or > requests concerning this meeting. Certainly on the agenda, as far as I am concerned, is RALO response the ALAC review. I cannot believe how damaging that report is to the public interest. - Evan

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FW: Regional Advice for ISOC NY
by Thompson, Darlene June 19, 2008

June 19, 2008

Hi all, The due diligence report on ISOC NY has been completed and is attached hereto. Now we need to get regional advice whether to approve this application or reject it. Please send your comments to me directly. They will be kept in confidence and any views expressed will be sent in by myself, keeping the sources confidential if such is desired. Thank you, D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca <mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca> ________________________________ From: At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:54 AM To: Evan Leibovitch; Thompson, Darlene Cc: At-Large Staff Subject: Regional Advice for ISOC NY Dear Evan, Dear Darlene, Please find attached the application and the Due Diligence form for ISOC NY. We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this application in your capacity as the regional Secretariat. According to our timeline for ALS applications we should receive the regional advice by July 7th. Please note that the regional advice should capture all the views held within your region. It does not necessarily have to reflect the opinion of the Secretariat. However, if the Secretariat does not receive input from your region and happens to know the applicant, you are of course invited to share your thoughts on the application. Thank you for your assistance. Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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