November 2015 - Ctn-crosscom

IMPORTANT Monday's Meeting deferred to 7 December
by Lars Hoffmann Nov. 27, 2015

Nov. 27, 2015

Dear all, Due to the fact that the ccNSO submission deadline is on Monday, the co-Chairs have asked to defer Monday¹s meeting by a week to 7 December 21:00 UTC. An invitation update will follow soon. Absent any objections, I suggest the next three CWG-UCTN meeting times as follows: 7 December 2015 21:00 UTC 21 December 2015 21:00 UTC 11 January 2016 21:00 UTC Best wishes Lars

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FW: Notes CWG CTN meeting
by Lars Hoffmann Nov. 25, 2015

Nov. 25, 2015

Dear all, Below you will find the summary of last week¹s call. Attached you will find updated versions of the responses submitted to-date. Please note that our next call is on Monday 30 November 2015 at 2100 UTC. 13:00 PDT, 16:00 EDT, 21:00 London, 22:00 CET, 05:00 Beijing, 08:00 Sydney for other places see: http://tinyurl.com/pnb2o4x Best. Lars From: Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 02:49 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Subject: Notes CWG CTN meeting Lars, Included notes from last Mondays call, please check if okay suggest you send them to the list Kind regards, Bart CWG Country and Territory Names, Monday 16 November 2015, 21:00 UTC AGENDA 1. Welcome Apologies: * Annebeth Lange * Jaap Akkerhuis * Laura Hutchinson 2. Re-cap of Dublin and reminder of work plan until Marrakech * Circulation of survey questions First time out send late August Reminders send. Last group was approached after the Dublin meeting. In person and generic reminders During Dublin and since, 5 comments received, from various communities Goal is to have internal views and circulate prior to Marrakesh Co-chair proposal: Send out as prelimanry report also include section around methodology. Comment: bundling together work on two and three letter codes, and then seek feed-back. Recognition major issue is country names, but before handling it send out prelimenary report to show methodology 3. Letter from Thomas Schneider, GAC Chair Background; ccNSO and GNSO chairs informed about concern of potetial overlap between work Geographic names and CTN WG. Positive:Issue identified, awareness has been raised Interpretation of letter response: Mandate of CTN is ISO 3166 list. GAC WG will focus on other Geographic names. Limited to ISO 3166. does that include names of countries? Names in different languages? Interpretation: Includes names as on ISO list Paul S: Does not read it as limiting or intentionally. Work deriving from ISO 3166 Suggests to park the issue until such time it hits that point ( around Marrakesh meeting), after dealing with 3 letter codes. Heather F. Concern: There are two groups on geographic names -> may result in different definitions. Deal with concern going forward. Clarity needed for future applicants. Other Questions? Cheryl: GAC's own work will proceed at its own pace. At th etime the work of GAC moves forward CTN will be able to negotiate mutually agreed terminology. It is early days of the GAC group. Paul S: Potential risk recognised by both CTN and GAC and hence potential to mitigate, as result of letter. 4. Confirm and Discuss input received on 3-character codes Heather: Comments received to date . ( 5 ), including from two law-firms ccTLD submissions to follow. Question: Does response need to be official? Official letter not needed, Seeeking input at this time. Time to digest the input received 5. Next steps in tabulating community input received to-date Lesson learned: Strategy on how to seek response: create a kind format. Challanges on input Next step; How to deal with comments, taking into account variety of format. How to deal woth it Carlos: Background paper and two-letter paper. In seeking public comment and working move forward on straw man. Use methodology of two-letter code Lars suggestion: Possibility creating sub-groups, staff could make a summary, Check by group. Bring in comments as much as possible. Carlos: Include comments in paper. Include as annexes/ Appendices. Need to maintain original source By and large responses with rationale. Create overview and cluster reasoning. CTN members to look at comments recevied and then discussion on how to include them. Discuss formal methodology at that time, and document it. Cheryl: Community expectation some form of archive how CTN has dealt with comment. Template approach used by CWG and CCWG Recommend on how to use column approach. Bring out rationale Tackle at next meeting? Create a sub-group ( self-identified) supported by staff to work on digesting the comment. 6. AOB and next meeting No comments

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Comments on last conference call
by Annebeth Lange Nov. 19, 2015

Nov. 19, 2015

Dear all, I am sorry that I couldn't participate in the conference call on Monday 16th. I had just returned from the US with the flu and was not able to do it. However, I have just read the transcripts and have some comments and suggestions. Regarding the distinction or borders between our work and the work in the GAC WG I had a long conversation with Thomas Schneider in Dublin. The way I interpret his view based on this conversation and the letter at least he as the chair is of the opinion that our WG is dealing with country & territory names deviating from the ISO 3166 list, in all forms, 2-letter and 3-letter codes and country & territory names. This is based on the distinction that was made in the AGB, Module 2, chapter 2.2.1.4, section 2.2.1.4.1 - Treatment of Country or Territory Names. The concern of the GAC is that this chapter does not give enough protection for geographical names outside what is deviating from ISO 3166. Examples is .amazon and .patagonia. So they want to extend the protection for geographical names in this category. See enclosed Module 2 for those who doesn't have it. Starting on page 2-16. Regarding the metrology forward to try to sort out the input on 3-letter codes: I agree with the points raised during the discussion. I want to refer you to a survey just received from CENTR Members. I enclose it, both as an input to the process, Lars, and also to have a look at the template Patrick Myles in CENTR Secretariat has made. In my view this format is clear and easy to understand and might be a pattern we could follow. I would really like to hear your view on this. Kind regards, Annebeth Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS P.O.Box 6979 St. Olavs plass NO-0130 Oslo annebeth.lange(a)uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559

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Policy Team Strategic Workshop 30 November - 4 December 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine Nov. 17, 2015

Nov. 17, 2015

Dear all, Policy staff will taking part in a Strategic Workshop from the 30th November to the 4th December 2015. Whilst minimum coverage of conference calls will be provided, please expect delays regarding email response time. If you do have an urgent request, please mark URGENT in the email title, so we can treat it as a matter of priority. We thank you for your understanding. Kind regards Nathalie _____________________________ Nathalie Peregrine Specialist, SOAC Support (GNSO) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org <nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org> Skype: nathalie.peregrine.icann

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Updated Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 16 November 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine Nov. 17, 2015

Nov. 17, 2015

With updated attendance, apologies to Ron Sherwood for leaving him out. ________________________________ Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 16 November 2015 at 21:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-16nov15-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXz…> On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov>nov<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO: Mirjana Tasic, .rs Sanna Sahlman, .fi Paul Szyndler, .au Grigori Saghyan, .am Ron Sherwood, .vi GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC (co-Chair) Susan Payne, NTAG Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Colin O'Brien, IPC Griffin Barnett, IPC At-Large: Cheryl Langdon-Orr GAC: ISO: Other: Apologies: Laura Hutchinson, .uk Jaap Akkerhuis Annebeth Lange, .no ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Marika Konings Lars Hoffman Patrick Jones Karine Perset Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 16 November 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Cross Community Working Group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains on Monday 16 November 2015, 21:00 UTC. Colin O'Brien:Hello everyone! Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Colin! Grigori Saghyan:Hello everbody! Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome all! Ron Sherwood:Hello all Sanna Sahlman:Good evening from Finland! Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hello everybody Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Carlos! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlos, we have a dial out set up to your cell, as you are in the AC room, will you still be needing it Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlos, all good, I see your dial out was successful! Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO:heather that way forward sounds fine to me... Carlos Raul (cel):txs Nathalie Lars Hoffmann:letter is in the AC room. and you should be able to scroll through. Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO:agree with Paul on this... Carlos Raul (cel) 2:good forecast by Paul Griffin Barnett:Not sure if Brian Winterfeldt and my commetnts were included? Griffin Barnett:I still don't see our comments included in the table Karine Perset:The GAC is likely to be able to provide a response by end of month... Lars Hoffmann:please send to lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Heather Forrest (GNSO co-chair):Griffin, we'll circulate your comments on the list again after this call. Susan Payne:Most people have answered the questions I think? Where they didn't doirectly do so could we extract the answers from their responses and then have an additonal column for other ccomments? too much work? Griffin Barnett:Thanks Heather...I also noted it to Lars and he said he would update the table Susan Payne:sorry, I don't have voice enabled Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 @Susan Sanna Sahlman:I agree with Susan Carlos Raul (cel):ok Carlos Raul (cel):we (co chairs) go over all comments until next meeting Sanna Sahlman:Good point Cheryl. I would like to see all comments/answers on one dokument/list. Colin O'Brien:That sounds good to me Heather. Susan Payne:yes, I think it makes sense to see what we receive in next couple of week and make ourselves familiar with them Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it looks to be a good idea Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all Colin O'Brien:bye all Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye Griffin Barnett:thanks all Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO:thanks everyone... bye for now...talk soon... Grigori Saghyan:bye all Susan Payne:thank you. bye all Ron Sherwood:Thank you everyone, Bye until next time Sanna Sahlman:Bye, bye and good night!

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 16 November 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine Nov. 17, 2015

Nov. 17, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 16 November 2015 at 21:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-16nov15-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXz…> On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov>nov<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO: Mirjana Tasic, .rs Sanna Sahlman, .fi Paul Szyndler, .au Grigori Saghyan, .am GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC (co-Chair) Susan Payne, NTAG Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Colin O'Brien, IPC Griffin Barnett, IPC At-Large: Cheryl Langdon-Orr GAC: ISO: Other: Apologies: Laura Hutchinson, .uk Jaap Akkerhuis Annebeth Lange, .no ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Marika Konings Lars Hoffman Patrick Jones Karine Perset Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 16 November 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Cross Community Working Group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains on Monday 16 November 2015, 21:00 UTC. Colin O'Brien:Hello everyone! Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Colin! Grigori Saghyan:Hello everbody! Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome all! Ron Sherwood:Hello all Sanna Sahlman:Good evening from Finland! Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hello everybody Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Carlos! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlos, we have a dial out set up to your cell, as you are in the AC room, will you still be needing it Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlos, all good, I see your dial out was successful! Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO:heather that way forward sounds fine to me... Carlos Raul (cel):txs Nathalie Lars Hoffmann:letter is in the AC room. and you should be able to scroll through. Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO:agree with Paul on this... Carlos Raul (cel) 2:good forecast by Paul Griffin Barnett:Not sure if Brian Winterfeldt and my commetnts were included? Griffin Barnett:I still don't see our comments included in the table Karine Perset:The GAC is likely to be able to provide a response by end of month... Lars Hoffmann:please send to lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Heather Forrest (GNSO co-chair):Griffin, we'll circulate your comments on the list again after this call. Susan Payne:Most people have answered the questions I think? Where they didn't doirectly do so could we extract the answers from their responses and then have an additonal column for other ccomments? too much work? Griffin Barnett:Thanks Heather...I also noted it to Lars and he said he would update the table Susan Payne:sorry, I don't have voice enabled Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 @Susan Sanna Sahlman:I agree with Susan Carlos Raul (cel):ok Carlos Raul (cel):we (co chairs) go over all comments until next meeting Sanna Sahlman:Good point Cheryl. I would like to see all comments/answers on one dokument/list. Colin O'Brien:That sounds good to me Heather. Susan Payne:yes, I think it makes sense to see what we receive in next couple of week and make ourselves familiar with them Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it looks to be a good idea Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all Colin O'Brien:bye all Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye Griffin Barnett:thanks all Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO:thanks everyone... bye for now...talk soon... Grigori Saghyan:bye all Susan Payne:thank you. bye all Ron Sherwood:Thank you everyone, Bye until next time Sanna Sahlman:Bye, bye and good night!

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TODAY's CTN meeting
by Lars Hoffmann Nov. 16, 2015

Nov. 16, 2015

Dear all, As a reminder, in coordination with the co-chairs, please find below an updated agenda for today¹s call. Attached are again the same documents I sent last week (updated as of Thursday 12 November). Best. Lars Draft Agenda. CWG-UCTN Monday 16 November 2015, 2100 UTC (other places) <http://tinyurl.com/qcjwosc> 1. Welcome 2. Re-cap of Dublin and reminder of work plan until Marrakech 3. Letter from Thomas Schneider, GAC Chair 4. Confirm and Discuss input received on 3-character codes 5. Next steps in tabulating community input received to-date 6. AOB and next meeting From: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, 12 November 2015 at 16:56 To: "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org> Subject: FW: CTN meeting Dear all, In preparation for Monday¹s call, please find attached three documents: 1. Overview of the submissions to date on 3-character codes Questions 1-4 2. Overview of the submissions to date on 3-character codes Questions 5-7 3. Submission by ALAC which due to its format did not fit¹ into the overview documents. Note that the ALAC response had not yet been submitted to the Group so please do consult it. The overview documents are also available on the Wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/4xXxAg In addition, I propose the following draft agenda for Monday: CWG-UCTN Monday 16 November 2015, 2100 UTC (other places) <http://tinyurl.com/qcjwosc> 1. Welcome 2. Re-cap of Dublin and reminder of work plan until Marrakech 3. Review and discussion of submissions to-date (see documents attached) 4. AOB and next meeting Best wishes, Lars From: ICANN Policy Calendar <PolicyCalendar(a)icann.org> Date: Monday, 9 November 2015 at 23:42 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org>, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel(a)icann.org>, Marika Konings <marika.konings(a)icann.org>, Berry Cobb Mail <mail(a)berrycobb.com>, Glen de Saint Géry <Glen(a)icann.org>, Gisella Gruber <Gisella.Gruber(a)icann.org>, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org>, Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org>, "ntfy-ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org" <ntfy-ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org>, Karine Perset <karine.perset(a)icann.org> Subject: CTN meeting Dear All, The next meeting of the CWG on country and territory names as TLDs is scheduled onMonday 16 November 2015 at 2100 UTC. 13:00 PDT, 16:00 EDT, 21:00 London, 22:00 CET, 05:00 Beijing, 08:00 Sydney for other places see: http://tinyurl.com/qcjwosc A calendar invite for this call will be sent in a few minutes. If you do NOT receive it directly, please use the ical attached to this email. ADOBE CONNECT Room : https://icann.adobeconnect.com/cwg-country/ <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/cwg-country/> If you require a dial-out, please email me with your preferred contact number. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ____________________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: CTN For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the call. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dial in numbers: CountryToll NumbersFreephone/ Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 55-11-3958-0779 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CROATIA 080-08-06-309 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-203620800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 36-1-700-8856 06-800-12755 INDIA BANGALORE: 91-80-61275204 INDIA MUMBAI: 91-22-61501629 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 ITALY ROME: 39-06-8751-6018 800-986-383 ITALY TORINO: 39-011-510-0118 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7878-2631 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-6868-2631 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG352-27-000-1364 8002-9246 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO GUADALAJARA (JAL):52-33-3208-7310 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MEXICO CITY: 52-55-5062-9110 001-866-376-9696 MEXICO MONTERREY: 52-81-2482-0610 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 1800-111-42453 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 ROMANIA 40-31-630-01-79 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-250800-002066 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 TURKEY 00-800-151-0516 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES8000-35702370 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM:44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER:44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702

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FW: IPC Response to CCWG on Use of Country and Territory Names as TLDs
by Lars Hoffmann Nov. 10, 2015

Nov. 10, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached comments submitted by the IPC. Very best wishes, Lars From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> Date: Monday, 9 November 2015 17:42 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Cc: Heather Forrest <Heather.Forrest(a)acu.edu.au> Subject: IPC Response to CCWG on Use of Country and Territory Names as TLDs Lars, I am pleased to submit the attached responses from the Intellectual Property Constituency for the consideration of the CCWG on Use of Country and Territory Names as TLDs. Respectfully Submitted, Greg Shatan President, IPC

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FW: [ccTLDcommunity] Questionnaire CCWG Use of names of country and Territories: 3-letter codes
by Lars Hoffmann Nov. 9, 2015

Nov. 9, 2015

Dear all, please find below responses form the .pl registry operator. Very best. Lars From: Roman Malinowski <Roman.Malinowski(a)nask.pl> Date: Thursday, 5 November 2015 05:30 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Subject: FW: [ccTLDcommunity] Questionnaire CCWG Use of names of country and Territories: 3-letter codes Dear Lars, In refer to the set questions, please see my comments below in this note. I think, that You should know, that my experience with ICANN and domain industry is rather short one; just a couple of years. The presented comments have been formed mainly in refer to the messages presented on the attached slides, however I should add that my understanding of ISO 3166 is not only in context of domains. Best regards, Roman. Roman Malinowski Head of DNS Department | NASK | www.nask.pl mobile +48 692 158 947 | tel +48 22 380 85 06 ul. Wawozowa 18 | 02-796 Warsaw | Poland From:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org <mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org> [mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org <mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org> ] On Behalf Of Bart Boswinkel Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:31 AM To: ccnso-members(a)icann.org <mailto:ccnso-members@icann.org> ; cctldcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org <mailto:cctldcommunity@cctld-managers.org> Cc: Lars Hoffmann; ccnso-council(a)icann.org <mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org> Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Questionnaire CCWG Use of names of country and Territories: 3-letter codes Dear all, Please find included a request for input from the cross-community working group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains (CWG-UCTN). Please respond to lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org <mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org> (also included in the cc). Closing date is 30 November 2015. The questionnaire is a follow-up from the presentation Annebeth Lange (.no) and Paul Szyndler (.au) gave at the ccNSO meeting in Dublin. Their presentation can be found here: https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/tue-ccnso-members/presentati on-ctn-20oct15-en.pdf <https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/tue-ccnso-members/presentat ion-ctn-20oct15-en.pdf> . Kind regards, Bart Boswinkel -------------------- Dear all, As you may be aware, the ccNSO and GNSO Councils have chartered a Cross Community Working Group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains (CWG-UCTN). The objective of the CWG-UCTN is to review the current status of representations of country and territory names, as they exist under current ICANN policies, guidelines and procedures. In addition, the Group has been asked to provide advice regarding the feasibility of developing a consistent and uniform set of definitions that could be applicable across the respective SO's and AC's for country and territory names as top-level domains. Please note that the scope of the WG is strictly limited to: · Representations of names of Countries, Territories and their subdivisions listed on or eligible to be listed on the Alpha-2 code International Standard for country codes and codes for their subdivisions (ISO 3166-1), (Names of Country and Territory). Other geographical indicators, such as regions, are excluded; · The use of Country and Territory names as Top Level Domains. The use of Country and Territory names as second or other level is excluded. The CWG-UTCN has divided its work into three work stream: 2-letter codes, 3-letter codes, and full names of countries and territories; currently the Group is starting its discussion on 3-letter codes and it is on this issue specifically that your feedback is being sought at this time. Please note that the community will be given ample opportunity to comment and provide feedback on all other issues in due course. To help the CWG-UCTN in its discussion on three-character codes, you will find below a number of questions; it would be very helpful to the Group if you could provide feedback on some or all questions raised. Please do not hesitate to supply any additional comments you may have on three-letter codes, as long as they are within the scope of work of the CWG (see above). Please send your comments to Lars Hoffmann (lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org <mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org> ), who is part of the CWG¹s staff support team, by Monday 30 November 2015. If you cannot submit your input by that date, but you would like to contribute, please let us know when we can expect to receive your contribution so we can plan accordingly. Your input will be very much appreciated. With best regards, Heather Forrest, GNSO (Co-Chair) Carlos Gutiérrez, GNSO (Co-Chair) Annebeth Lange, ccNSO (Co-Chair) Paul Szyndler, ccNSO (Co-Chair) Questions by the CWG-UCTN on 3-character codes with regard to the use of country and territory names as top-level domains 1. In future, should all three-character top-level domains be reserved as ccTLDs only and be ineligible for use as gTLDs? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? No, they should not, however all 3-character names listed in ISO tables are to be maintained in line with ISO rules and policy. This question is general one and somewhat misleading; my understanding of this project is that we are not in position to break down the ISO eligibility rules and create our own on Internet with regard the 3-character names. 2. In future, should all three-character top-level domains be eligible for use as gTLDs as long as they are not in conflict with the existing alpha-3 codes from the ISO 3166-1 list; i.e. the three-character version of the same ISO list that is the basis for current ccTLD allocation? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? Yes, they should, however we have to have in mind that the 3 character names listed in ISO tables ( not only limited to ISO 3166-1) relate to the names of currencies, the names of languages, etc. The eligibility should be maintained in line with ISO established policy. In general there is no need to design a policy which may limit Internet development. 3. In future, should three-character strings be eligible for use as gTLDs if they are not in conflict with existing alpha-3 codes form the ISO 3166-1 list and they have received documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant government or public authority? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? It would be reasonable to answer shortly by saying yes, they should. I think, that would wise to keep in mind that many governments in fact are not in position to predict the future of its states; please refer for instance to the example of former Yugoslavia or Africa where we can see many new countries ³born² in Africa, etc. What would be the value of the mentioned permission? For how long will it be valid? With that rule in mind, for sure, someone in the future would have to decide what is at higher value by weighting an commercial interest vs. the interest of a new nation for instance? Do we really consider, that our legitimate is sufficient? and could prevail the one by UN? As already mentioned, the ³ delegation ( free) for assignment by ISO² 3-character names shall be handled by ISO. In addition, we can see that, there are many 3 character names which most probably will be never used by ISO; and I do believe that ISO knows that and keeps the list. I think, that these 3-character names should be allowed in naming of the top level domains. 4. In future, should there be unrestricted use of three-character strings as gTLDs if they are not conflicting with any applicable string similarity rules? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? In order to be consistent with the rules and policies we have already got I would vote for the unrestricted use, however the definition of the meaning of ³ unrestricted² in this context has to be set first. Having in mind the understanding of intention presented above, I found this question as general one. 5. In future, should all IDN three-character strings be reserved exclusively as ccTLDs and be ineligible as IDN gTLDs? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? I do not think so, however there is some idea behind. First of all we are not sure about the future regarding IDN; it is complex technology which can cause Internet less stable or even partially unstable. I think we need more research and better analysis; otherwise, I think that we do not have enough knowledge to build any theoretical project and set the rules. The question is: do we have to decide just now? What is a reason behind for making a decision even if it would be wrong in the future? ( as our today¹s knowledge is not sufficient enough..?). In general, the rules applied should be as presented above. 6. In future, should there be unrestricted use of IDN three-character strings if they are not in conflict with existing TLDs or any applicable string similarity rules? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? As above, it would be good to have the unrestricted use, however the definition of the meaning of ³unrestricted² in this context has to be set first. 7. Do you have any additional comments that may help the CWG-UCTN in its discussion on three-character strings as top-level domains? In general, we should do our best and avoid of creating the artificial barriers driven by unjustified reasons and curb Internet development, however I think that the planning process in projects should follow the set polices and ISO rules first; I do think, that we have not got a legitimate position to change the UN policy and maintain any new one. Doing differently, I think that simply sooner or later the projects will fail, and the team will be busy with huge load and unproductive work. The known rule first come first served in this context is note the one we should focus on first.

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FW: [ccTLDcommunity] Questionnaire CCWG Use of names of country and Territories: 3-letter codes
by Lars Hoffmann Nov. 9, 2015

Nov. 9, 2015

Dear all, please find below responses form the .hk registry operator. Very best. Lars From: Jonathan Shea <jonathan.shea(a)hkirc.hk> Date: Thursday, 5 November 2015 21:25 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org> Subject: RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Questionnaire CCWG Use of names of country and Territories: 3-letter codes Hi Lars, Below please find our replies to the questions raised. 1. In future, should all three-character top-level domains be reserved as ccTLDs only and be ineligible for use as gTLDs? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? <JS> Yes, all country and territory 3-character TLDs should be reserved as ccTLDs only and be ineligible for use as gTLDs. Otherwise, confusion and wrong perception will be caused to Internet users as to whether the 3-character TLD or the 2-character ccTLD is the true official representation of the country/territory. Also, the basic difference between ccTLD and gTLD is that a ccTLD represents country/territory and gTLDs are for generic terms with no geographic connotation. 2. In future, should all three-character top-level domains be eligible for use as gTLDs as long as they are not in conflict with the existing alpha-3 codes from the ISO 3166-1 list; i.e. the three-character version of the same ISO list that is the basis for current ccTLD allocation? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? <JS> Apart from the 3-character codes on the ISO 3166-1 list, there may be codes or strings which are 3-character or longer which are commonly accepted/used for specific countries or territories but not on the ISO list. These should be ineligible for use as gTLDs too. Otherwise gross misunderstanding and confusion will be caused on which ones of these are the ones truly representing the country/territory. 3. In future, should three-character strings be eligible for use as gTLDs if they are not in conflict with existing alpha-3 codes form the ISO 3166-1 list and they have received documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant government or public authority? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? <JS> This is ok. But all ccTLDs should be consulted rather than only those which are thought to be relevant. 4. In future, should there be unrestricted use of three-character strings as gTLDs if they are not conflicting with any applicable string similarity rules? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? <JS> This is not sufficient. See answers to Q1, 2, 3 above. 5. In future, should all IDN three-character strings be reserved exclusively as ccTLDs and be ineligible as IDN gTLDs? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? <JS> All IDNs which are official names or commonly known names of countries or territories, irrespective of their length (number of IDN characters) should be reserved exclusively as ccTLDs. 6. In future, should there be unrestricted use of IDN three-character strings if they are not in conflict with existing TLDs or any applicable string similarity rules? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? <JS> This is not sufficient. See answer to Q6 above. 7. Do you have any additional comments that may help the CWG-UCTN in its discussion on three-character strings as top-level domains? <JS> Nil. Regards, Jonathan Shea HKIRC (.hk ccTLD) From: cctldcommunity-bounces(a)cctld-managers.org [mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Bart Boswinkel Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2015 5:31 PM To: ccnso-members(a)icann.org; cctldcommunity(a)cctld-managers.org Cc: Lars Hoffmann; ccnso-council(a)icann.org Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Questionnaire CCWG Use of names of country and Territories: 3-letter codes Dear all, Please find included a request for input from the cross-community working group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains (CWG-UCTN). Please respond to lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org (also included in the cc). Closing date is 30 November 2015. The questionnaire is a follow-up from the presentation Annebeth Lange (.no) and Paul Szyndler (.au) gave at the ccNSO meeting in Dublin. Their presentation can be found here: https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/tue-ccnso-members/presentati on-ctn-20oct15-en.pdf <https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/tue-ccnso-members/presentat ion-ctn-20oct15-en.pdf> . Kind regards, Bart Boswinkel -------------------- Dear all, As you may be aware, the ccNSO and GNSO Councils have chartered a Cross Community Working Group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains (CWG-UCTN). The objective of the CWG-UCTN is to review the current status of representations of country and territory names, as they exist under current ICANN policies, guidelines and procedures. In addition, the Group has been asked to provide advice regarding the feasibility of developing a consistent and uniform set of definitions that could be applicable across the respective SO's and AC's for country and territory names as top-level domains. Please note that the scope of the WG is strictly limited to: · Representations of names of Countries, Territories and their subdivisions listed on or eligible to be listed on the Alpha-2 code International Standard for country codes and codes for their subdivisions (ISO 3166-1), (Names of Country and Territory). Other geographical indicators, such as regions, are excluded; · The use of Country and Territory names as Top Level Domains. The use of Country and Territory names as second or other level is excluded. The CWG-UTCN has divided its work into three work stream: 2-letter codes, 3-letter codes, and full names of countries and territories; currently the Group is starting its discussion on 3-letter codes and it is on this issue specifically that your feedback is being sought at this time. Please note that the community will be given ample opportunity to comment and provide feedback on all other issues in due course. To help the CWG-UCTN in its discussion on three-character codes, you will find below a number of questions; it would be very helpful to the Group if you could provide feedback on some or all questions raised. Please do not hesitate to supply any additional comments you may have on three-letter codes, as long as they are within the scope of work of the CWG (see above). Please send your comments to Lars Hoffmann (lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org <mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org> ), who is part of the CWG¹s staff support team, by Monday 30 November 2015. If you cannot submit your input by that date, but you would like to contribute, please let us know when we can expect to receive your contribution so we can plan accordingly. Your input will be very much appreciated. With best regards, Heather Forrest, GNSO (Co-Chair) Carlos Gutiérrez, GNSO (Co-Chair) Annebeth Lange, ccNSO (Co-Chair) Paul Szyndler, ccNSO (Co-Chair) Questions by the CWG-UCTN on 3-character codes with regard to the use of country and territory names as top-level domains 1. In future, should all three-character top-level domains be reserved as ccTLDs only and be ineligible for use as gTLDs? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? 2. In future, should all three-character top-level domains be eligible for use as gTLDs as long as they are not in conflict with the existing alpha-3 codes from the ISO 3166-1 list; i.e. the three-character version of the same ISO list that is the basis for current ccTLD allocation? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? 3. In future, should three-character strings be eligible for use as gTLDs if they are not in conflict with existing alpha-3 codes form the ISO 3166-1 list and they have received documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant government or public authority? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? 4. In future, should there be unrestricted use of three-character strings as gTLDs if they are not conflicting with any applicable string similarity rules? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? 5. In future, should all IDN three-character strings be reserved exclusively as ccTLDs and be ineligible as IDN gTLDs? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? 6. In future, should there be unrestricted use of IDN three-character strings if they are not in conflict with existing TLDs or any applicable string similarity rules? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of such a policy? 7. Do you have any additional comments that may help the CWG-UCTN in its discussion on three-character strings as top-level domains?

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