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Next meeting
by Lars Hoffmann June 5, 2015

June 5, 2015

Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week¹s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1> ). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 18 May 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine June 3, 2015

June 3, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 18 May 2015 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-18may15-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXz…> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>ay<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no (Co-Chair) Joke Braeken, .eu GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Colin O`Brien, IPC Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Robin Gross, NCUC Susan Payne NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis GAC Olga Cavalli Apologies: Jordi Iparraguirre ICANN staff: Marika Konings Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine Ozan Sahin ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 18 May 2015: Lars Hoffmann: Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on 18 May 2015 Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: Hi Lars! Ron Sherwood: Hi everyone Bart Boswinkel (staff): Hi All Nathalie Peregrine: Welcome! Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: how do I mute my phone? Nathalie Peregrine: *6 Nathalie Peregrine: and then *6 again to unmute, it takes a few seconds to work though, so we'll keep this in mind when you raise your hand Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: im on mute now thanks Heather Forrest: Hello everyone, thank you for joining the call. We'll get started shortly. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): Hello Everyone Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: hi has the document that was shown in the screen been sent by mail? Bart Boswinkel (staff): @ Olga Annebeth Lange, Norid: Annebeth here, can you hear me? Heather Forrest: Not yet Annebeth Bart Boswinkel (staff): Yes it was send Saturday Carlos Raul (GNSO): yes Annebeth Nathalie Peregrine: Please remember to ute your AC mics when not speaking Annebeth Lange, Norid: Awfully quiet out there. Cant hear you Heather Forrest: Can you hear Nathalie speaking now? Annebeth Lange, Norid: No Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): positove Annebeth Lange, Norid: OK now Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): connected via adobe Nathalie Peregrine: Annebeth, when this hapens, it's worth logging out and back into the AC room Nathalie Peregrine: Marika Konings is also on the call jaap akkerhuis: My Adobe connection is confused, I need to restart Nathalie Peregrine: Jaap, being on Firefox helps Annebeth Lange, Norid: Bad sound, Bart Annebeth Lange, Norid: Impossible to hear you, Barat Heather Forrest: Annebeth- it might be your end Heather Forrest: I hear Bart fine Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: there is noise Annebeth Lange, Norid: The sound goes back and forth, Bart Nathalie Peregrine: Please all mute your mics, the disturbance is coming from AC mics Carlos Raul (GNSO): the "corsica" TLD has just been released Nathalie Peregrine: Annebeth, we can dial out to you if you are having AC audio issues jaap akkerhuis: BAck on line. Stupid Adobe somtimes doesn;t honour the sound preferences Cheryl Langdon-Orr: 'formative years'... In like it :-) :-) :-) Annebeth Lange, Norid: You disappear, Bart Nathalie Peregrine: I hear Bart fine, so it is an issue with your AC audio Nathalie Peregrine: please close and re open the room Cheryl Langdon-Orr: best get a dial out Annebeth... that audio is stable Nathalie Peregrine: Annebet, please provide your nr via private message to me if you prefer Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: hi can comments be made to this document? if so which is Cheryl Langdon-Orr: good sound Jaap :-) Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: the due date? Heather Forrest: Sorry, Olga - not quite sure what you ean Heather Forrest: mean Nathalie Peregrine: Please remember to start your names for transcription purposes Nathalie Peregrine: *state Cheryl Langdon-Orr: all good. thanks Bart Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: Heather, just to know if members of the CCWG can comment on the new revised text Annebeth Lange, Norid: I am sorry, my net is awful tonight. The sound is falling out all the time. I haven't heard half of what has been said Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: thanks Heather Heather Forrest: Carlos - please comment Nathalie Peregrine: I have unmuted him Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I trust that is indeed well understood Carlos... our work is not over yet!!! Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: cannot hear annabeth Heather Forrest: Annebeth - we cannot hear you Heather Forrest: Can you hear me now? Cheryl Langdon-Orr: great :-) Susan Payne: agree, think very useful to do this Lars Hoffmann: @cheryl: notes and will amend for the next version. Lars Hoffmann: *noted Carlos Raul (GNSO): excel sheet Cheryl Langdon-Orr: so to assist in doing what Annabeth proposes can staff send us the table as an extract Annebeth Lange, Norid: Whendo Annebeth Lange, Norid: When do you need input, Lars, to have it on a document for our next week Carlos Raul (GNSO): so table can continue developing Carlos Raul (GNSO): but text comments should come in by June 1st Carlos Raul (GNSO): rotating times Susan Payne: So by this Friday? Carlos Raul (GNSO): morning for whom? UTC? Annebeth Lange, Norid: Next wednesday Susan Payne: ok thanks Annebeth Lange, Norid: UTC, Carlos Cheryl Langdon-Orr: we can but try... Carlos Raul (GNSO): please be reminded that we have now Olga on Board in terms of times, and we want to respect everybody's 6 hours of sleep between midnight and sunrise Cheryl Langdon-Orr: who gets that 6 hrs? certainly not if you live in the southern hemisphere @carlos not in ICANN work! thus the rotation / share the pain. being appreciated... Cheryl Langdon-Orr: you need coffee perhaps @Heather Annebeth Lange, Norid: I actually have a problem on the 1st June as I am in a CENTR meeting in Stockholm that I cannot avoid. Is it possible to have the meeting on the 2nd instead? Susan Payne: Do we know when our meeting will be in BA yet? Carlos Raul (GNSO): I mean 5 hours, because one of the slots used to start at my midnight, but it would be 3am for Olga. that's why we are all flying to Buenos Aires :)👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Susan Payne: thnx Lars Hoffmann: @annebeth - let's coordinate the timing on-list after the call. i can send out a doodle to schedule the two remaining pre-BA calls. Cheryl Langdon-Orr: can do the 2nd if it avoids other calls so OK for 1000-1100 UTC Annebeth Lange, Norid: Great, Lars Carlos Raul (GNSO): yes Carlos Raul (GNSO): ok Carlos Raul (GNSO): it was a comment to Olga Heather Forrest: We couldn't hear you, Carlos Heather Forrest: Let's try your sound again Carlos Raul (GNSO): yes I'm on a mobile, the problem is on my side Carlos Raul (GNSO): now I lost ALL audio Carlos Raul (GNSO): sorry Cheryl Langdon-Orr: good point @lars Carlos Raul (GNSO): missed Lars point Carlos Raul (GNSO): so please write it down Cheryl Langdon-Orr: great thanks @Olga Heather Forrest: @ Carlos - Lars asked whether the GAC WG was working on a definition of geographic and community names Carlos Raul (GNSO): ok Carlos Raul (GNSO): Daniel Carlos Raul (GNSO): go ahead Susan Susan Payne: I thinknCarlos is first Heather Forrest: yes Annebeth Lange, Norid: Carlos, we have not agreed in the group that this definition is what we end up with Carlos Raul (GNSO): it is a proposal yes Nathalie Peregrine: @ Carlos i have muted your mic to cut the echo Carlos Raul (GNSO): it is external, it is not a list, and it sets boundaries around country names Carlos Raul (GNSO): sorry Nathalie, I'm on a lousy mobile connection with an even lousier y Carlos Raul (GNSO): terminal Nathalie Peregrine: No worry Carlos! I just didn;t want you to think there was an issue Carlos Raul (GNSO): no prob Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): thanks everybody Carlos Raul (GNSO): old hand, sorry Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: bye thanks! Cheryl Langdon-Orr: good call thanks all... off to your well deserved coffee now @heather :-) :-) :-) bye! Lars Hoffmann: Thanks everyone. I will send an email with a reminder of deadlines etc. Annebeth Lange, Norid: Thanks everybody, and thanks to Heather for chairing the call! jaap akkerhuis: Good, by all Susan Payne: thanks, bye Heather Forrest: Thank you everyone Ron Sherwood: Bye everyone...

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19:00 UTC!
by Lars Hoffmann May 28, 2015

May 28, 2015

Dear all, I accidentally wrote the meeting will be at 20:00 please disregard. The next meeting will be Monday 8 June at 19:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1> ) Apologies Lars

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Potential Options
by Lars Hoffmann May 27, 2015

May 27, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached two more responses by Laura and Joke. Best wishes, Lars

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FW: Option Paper - Grigori Saghyan
by Lars Hoffmann May 26, 2015

May 26, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached Grigori¹s response - I will compile this with any other submissions made for discussion during our upcoming call (details of which will be send out tomorrow morning UTC time). Very best wishes. Lars On 21/05/2015 10:38, "Grigori Saghyan" <gregor(a)arminco.com> wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA256 > >Dear Lars, >please find attached completed Option Paper. >With best regards, >Grigori Saghyan >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v2 > >iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVXZmTAAoJEBp2GIFI5NXciXEH/2JRIpHXJOw5scPdZYP3dIjq >Jezuu1NOAvTGu54F83iDwIdrdvuY7pan41uglp9O1lyMGl9Ie9MWImYrWZ/LkXWc >HQODp53PD5eppwgTm0+bkAYptIKkFEl+fNio0aTlsG+hD1G35eHrha8as1A+5ayz >/Av9nDDJSR02i+9pnaa2M66ix9cDIg1mf7uZykkqGRyDGunMWtYBLv0mL4dF9bwV >8Ow3tfe9jEr4S47Ec9ei+cxKiH4mjo8NVE1Cf+/JKkMrSCCjsbFnMe9MTL54EAkr >2Ta7WEFw9xF+dleHUAauOxtcg/0dDB7V5y9diDL2cJUvcSXAIEY8vK/8VP1b/fU= >=OMi5 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >

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Comparing 1 May and 15 may version Option Paper
by Bart Boswinkel May 19, 2015

May 19, 2015

Dear all, As promised at the call yesterday, please find included a comparison between the 1 May version and 15 may version of the Option Paper, Kind regards, Bart

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Scheduling - Please respond!
by Lars Hoffmann May 19, 2015

May 19, 2015

Dear all, Please take a moment to complete the doodle poll below to help determine the dates for our last (or last two) WG meetings before Buenos Aires. http://doodle.com/umz3kdix8fkzh3qs The poll closes: Wednesday 20 May 23:00 UTC. Many thanks Lars

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Updated version Option paper
by Bart Boswinkel May 16, 2015

May 16, 2015

Dear all, Please find included updated version of the Option paper ( version 15 May 2015). This version includes an update per the discussion on the previous call> Major changes: * Section 0 (purpose of option paper) has been expanded to clarify the goal of the paper, and explain the need for the introductionary sections. * Section 1 has been restructured, it now includes two suggested text frames: Frame 1, current practices for assigning two letter codes, and including entities into ISO 3166-1, this needs to be updated). Text frame 2 the current definition in AGB, the detailed description of the discussion on use of geographical names is now included in Annex B. This will need to be updated to reflect the discussions in 2009 and 2010 era use of country and territory names as gTLDs. * The drift of section 1 has changed as well, central them is the evolution of the use of geographical names, in particular country and territory names Kind regards, Bart

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 04 May 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine May 4, 2015

May 4, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 04 May 2015 at 11:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-review-04may15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>ay<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no (Co-Chair) Joke Braeken, .eu Mirjana Tasic, .rs Grigori Saghyan, .am Mary Uduma, ng GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr Jordi Iparraguirre ISO Jaap Akkerhuis GAC Olga Cavalli Brian Beckham – WIPO, GAC observer Tom Dale – GAC Secretariat Apologies: Sonigitu Ekpe, NCUC ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 04 May 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 4th May 2015 olga cavalli - GAC:helllo heather and nathalie Carlos Raul (GNSO):Good morning Nathalie Peregrine:Hello everyone, welcome! Heather Forrest:Hello Olga, Carlos, Nathalie Bart Boswinkel (staff):Hi All wil be dialing in in a minute Ron Sherwood:Hello everone Ron Sherwood:Good morning, Jaap olga cavalli - GAC:hi there is no audio is that ok? im on mute Heather Forrest:Olga - audio has started but we are waiting for others to join. If you have not heard anything up to now you might have an issue with the sound olga cavalli - GAC:i heard some voices but no audio now Heather Forrest:Hello everyone, thank you for joining today's meeting of the CWG. We will begin shortly - just waiting for Annebeth Lange, co-chair Nathalie Peregrine:@ Olga, did you hear people joining then? Nathalie Peregrine:Bart and Joke? Lars Hoffmann 2:@olga - would you like a dial out? olga cavalli - GAC:yes i did hear jaap but no audio now Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone. Do we have adobe audio? Nathalie Peregrine:@ olga, thanks for confirming Heather Forrest:Just to be clear - nobody is speaking right now but we will begin very shortly Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hello everyone olga cavalli - GAC:@lars in general adobe audio works better than telephone for me, lets see, if there are problems i will let you know and you call me Nathalie Peregrine:Jordi Iparraguirre has jojned the call Lars Hoffmann 2:@olga - sounds good. thanks olga Nathalie Peregrine:Grigori Saghyan is also on olga cavalli - GAC:hola jordi, Nathalie Peregrine: @ all, disturbance is coming from an AC mic, so please be sure to mute your mic (white arrow to the right of the mic icon at the top of the toolbar) Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth has joined the call Annebeth Lange, Norid:Sorry to be late, had some problems with the connection Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Heather seem to have her micofoon volume to high, causing distortion Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):This seems better Nathalie Peregrine:@ Jaap, Heather is connected via the phone, not the AC mic, I'm listening on both the bridge nd the AC room and hear no distortion, please join the audio bridge to improve the audio on your end. Bart Boswinkel (staff):24 April version Bart Boswinkel (staff):from Heather olga cavalli - GAC:@ lars i hear nothing please dial out to me 541148262530 Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Audio is better Nathalie Peregrine:@ Olga, we're dialing out to you now Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):I have a problem with quite some changes Heather Forrest:Jaap, please speak after Bart olga cavalli - GAC:i hear now thanks Annebeth Lange, Norid:Bart, I certainly agree with your comments Nathalie Peregrine:Cheryl Langdon-Orr has joined the audio bridge olga cavalli - GAC:@lars are there minutes of the meeting once finished? Lars Hoffmann 2:@olga - there is a recording and the MP3 Lars Hoffmann 2:yes - either you can send me edits - or you can edit with track changes and send me that version, i will then merge versions. Heather Forrest:Thank you Lars Heather Forrest:Thank you Lars Annebeth Lange, Norid:Bart, that would be very useful. Heather Forrest:Annebeth - we can't hear you Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth, you have not activated your AC mic Annebeth Lange, Norid:I am not on mute Nathalie Peregrine:please click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC toolbar Annebeth Lange, Norid:I am here, but you cannot hear me Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the audio bridge, you need to click on the telephne icon to activate your mic. Or please provide your nr and we will dial out to you Carlos Raul (GNSO):now Heather Forrest:Lars could we please scroll to definitions section Carlos Raul (GNSO):we may want ot move the main defintions to an annex Carlos Raul (GNSO):the "geographic" definitions Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):For a srange definiton, see page 15 Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):(I was slow as well finding the raise hand book) Carlos Raul (GNSO):We are talking about ICANN today Annebeth Lange, Norid:Our mandate goes beyond codes, as I see it, but country & territories originated from the codes in the ISO list. Carlos Raul (GNSO):we dont need to cover all, but certainly we have advanced BEYOND ISO in real life Carlos Raul (GNSO):agree with Annebeth Annebeth Lange, Norid:What we are discussing is the use of country & territory names (originated from the ISO list) used as TLDs. Annebeth Lange, Norid:The AGB excluded c & t names in different versions from this round. So what will happen with these names in the future? My understanding is that our mandate is to try to make it easier to find out what to do in the future. Heather Forrest:I agree, Annebeth Nathalie Peregrine:Mary Uduma has joined the AC room Carlos Raul (GNSO):Annabeth, on the other hand the AGB, allthough prtecting country names, it did expand on geography.... Mary Uduma:Hello All, was in Argentina Embassy for visa application. I am very sorry for joining the call late Carlos Raul (GNSO):and thats what we have to deal with Annebeth Lange, Norid:Yes, Carlos, but we only deal with what is excluded as c & t names. Not all other geographical names that actually were allowed, even if some of them needed support or non-objection. Carlos Raul (GNSO):exatly, thats what i mean by boundaries and we have to make clear that we are on a narrower track (WIPO definition maybe) than the AGB, by recognizing the differences on both definitions Annebeth Lange, Norid:In my view the WIPO definition is not wide enough Annebeth Lange, Norid:Carlos, only AGB Module 2, 2.2.1.4.1 Treatment of Country or Territory Names Nathalie Peregrine:Marketa has joined the AC room Carlos Raul (GNSO):lets expand it then Annebeth Lange, Norid:I think the confusion is that in the definition in the position paper it says Section 2.2.4.1 - not 2.2.4.1.1 Annebeth Lange, Norid:It is only 2.2.4.1.1 that should be included in our mandate and definition Heather Forrest:Annebeth - I see your hand, please speak after Olga Heather Forrest:Quite right Annebeth Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Good Call thanks everyoine Bye for now Carlos Raul (GNSO):6am in Costa Rica now Carlos Raul (GNSO):dont know if I cna go to bed again Cheryl Langdon-Orr:reasonable time all round :) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID) 2:3pm , but public holidays in Moscow Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye talk in 14 days then... Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye Jordi Iparraguirre:thank you. bye olga cavalli - GAC: thanks! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID) 2:thanks Everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you everyone Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Bye Bye. Mary Uduma:Bye All Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie, Bart, Lars Nathalie Peregrine:Good nifght Heather!

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Invitation to GAC
by Heather Forrest May 4, 2015

May 4, 2015

Dear Lars, In sending the details for our upcoming call on Monday, please could you include a reminder welcome to the GAC, making it clear that we invite not only GAC leadership but all interested GAC members. I understand from the recent email exchanges that Olga plans to participate; it would be helpful to have more GAC members on the call to hear the broadest possible range of views within the GAC. Many thanks and best wishes, Heather

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