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incendiary questions - cross-community session Country and other Geographic names Forum
by Susan Payne June 26, 2016

June 26, 2016

Dear co-chairs and staff. I am not sure whether you would like suggestions of “incendiary questions” for the cross community forum session? I do have a couple, which could spark lively discussion: Context is irrelevant – use of a personal name or a brand name, even if intended to identify the person or entity (eg Tata), should never be permitted if it matches a geographic term; Trade marks serve no public interest benefit; Is it a problem if 18 months after comments were submitted by the community in response to the proposal from the GAC’s working group on geographic names, those comments have not been addressed? Does it matter that the CWG-UCTN, the Subsequent Procedures PDP and the GAC might all reach different conclusions on the treatment of geo names? For the avoidance of doubt these are not necessarily my own views or those of my employer or clients – but intended to meet the “contentious ideas” criterion. Looking forward to an interesting meeting in Helsinki. Susan Payne Head of Legal Policy | Valideus Ltd 28-30 Little Russell Street London, WC1A 2HN, United Kingdom E: susan.payne(a)valideus.com<mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com> D: +44 20 7421 8255 T: +44 20 7421 8299 M: +44 7971 661175 From: ctn-crosscom-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Bart Boswinkel Sent: 10 June 2016 18:22 To: ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Agenda 13 June 2016, 20.00 UTC + note cross-community session Country and other Geographic names Forum Dear all, Please find included the draft agenda for the upcoming CCWG CTN call 13 June 2016, 20.00 UTC. 1. Welcome and roll-call 2. Discussion on outline of Country and other Geographic Names Forum a. Purpose b. Format c. Topics d. Communication & Outreach e. Next Steps 3. AOB 4. Closure Also included is a draft outline for the session in Helsinki. Discussion of this topic is the main agenda item. Briefing country /territory / geographic names forum in Helsinki. Please note the following The forum is no longer running in parallel with the Right Protection Mechanism session. Following discussions, the latter has been moved to Monday afternoon. - The session will move to the GAC room - Chair of the GAC (and others) expressed a need to be informed about the session asap. Goal/Purpose of the session The topic / theme should be very high-level. Proposed title is: "The eternal debate: country, territory and geographic names in the DNS" Moderator/facilitators TBD Use two moderators: ccNSO person and GNSO person. For their role see format. Note if the WG wants to go for two moderators, they need to be briefed properly and in time. This will need to start before the Helsinki meeting. Chair of the session: TBD Role of the chair: introduce the session, ensure timing etc. Summarize session at the end (action-items, main outcomes/conclusions, which would then feed into the work of the CCWG CTN If the moderators will be from the ccNSO and GNSO, it is suggested that the chair will be from ALAC. Format The chair would set the scene with regard to all of the various initiatives (Use of Study group report). No speakers on each (like the GAC group or even our WG) as that makes it too "heavy". After the high level is provided, the moderators take over and ask particular audience members (to be identified) to answer questions, and then invite the audience to share there views (The best analogy is the "Q&A" current affairs show in Australia - http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/) It is also intended to use the ADOBE Room to send questions to the moderators Topics to be covered We intentionally use contentious ideas (like strawpeople) - "all of the groups of ICANN must harmonize their approach to geo names", "country names belong to countries", "three letter codes are just that, and no country has presumptive rights to them". The more incendiary, the better. Second theme could be: “the need for a harmonized framework is overrated”. This would bring in SSAC, and others who have a concern about that the differences in policies: use different definitions, overlaps etc. Associated to this, the moderators should be given plenty of examples that the former Study Group used and that DO relate to the WG - .com, .cym, .cs (to show dynamics of the ISO 3166-1 list) The moderators should use a lot of audience voting and "temperature of the room" for example through the ADOBE voting tool or show of cards. Note, even a 1/3 positive, 1/3 negative and 1/3 unsure is still a good outcome, highlighting how divisive the issue is. It should be ensured that the session is NOT only about progressing the specific agenda of the WG. It is OK if the debate is more general than the WG's charter (hence title of the session) We need to formulate a "final message". We don’t know where the conversation will go and we must not steer it. But there needs to be a clear "and now what?" at the end. This could be something like “Is there a need for a harmonized framework”. Communication & Outreach 1. Discuss and inform the WG at the Monday call (co-chairs) 2. Who of the WG members will be present in Helsinki and attending the session? 3. Inform and invite community (in particular GAC). Prepare summary of session paper, after call Monday 13 June 20.00 UTC) 4. Post session summary on schedule Next steps 1. Invite and inform session chair and moderators ( 14 June) ( co-chairs/staff) 2. Briefing session with moderators and chair (16 or 17 June) (co-chairs/staff) 3. Additional briefing in Helsinki (Monday morning, assuming moderators and chairs will be in Helsinki) 4. Identify “members in the audience” with particular view/interest (co-chairs/staff/ members of the WG 5. Invite “members of the audience” and explain format (staff on behalf of the co-chairs) 6. F-2-F meeting co-chairs with moderators and chair

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Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat from Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs 13 June 2016
by Michelle DeSmyter June 14, 2016

June 14, 2016

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday, 13 June 2016 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-cwg-ctn-13jun16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-cwg-ctn-13jun16-en.mp3> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO: Annebeth Lange, .no Ron Sherwood, .vi Paul Szyndler (co-Chair), .au Mirjana Tasic, .rs Jaqueline Morris, .tt Laura Hutchinson, .uk Young-Eum Lee, .kr GNSO Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC (co-Chair) Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Susan Payne, NTAG Alexander Schubert, RySG Additional Members: Jaap Akkerhuis, ISO 3166 Expert Apologies: Heather Forrest, IPC (co-Chair) Colin O'Brien, IPC ICANN Staff: Brian Aitchison Bart Boswinkel Patrick Jones Steve Chan Joke Braeken Michelle DeSmyter ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/QxWOAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 13 June 2016 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the CWG-Use of Country and Territory Names as TLDs on Monday, 13 June 2016 at 20:00 UTC. Joke Braeken:Hello everybody! Alexander Schubert:Hello! Ron Dherwood:Hello All Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hello Evrybody Alexander Schubert:On the gNSO call today it seems that they wait for INPUT from US! Alexander Schubert:Question: Do we expect the group to give US input - or the other way aournd: We giving input to the gNSO? Alexander Schubert:OK Alexander Schubert:Great! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio levels are quite different ... might be an issue with the bridge Alexander Schubert:Microphone input in audio settings Susan Payne:thanks, Annebeth, the cards sound useful Annebeth Lange, ccNSO:Susan, we dont hear you Alexander Schubert:Seems two are speaking Laura Watkins (Hutchison):Agreed - cards sound like a really good way of getting an idea of the views in the room without requiring everyone to speak Susan Payne:THANKS, yes it does Susan Payne:I do have a comment - I think it will be easy to have an incendiary discussion.. Maybe harder to come out with agreed conclusions as we see even in the WG that opinions are very varied Susan Payne:But I do like the idea of the session Annebeth Lange, ccNSO:THank you, SUsan. Comment noted. Young-eum Lee:I will be in Helsinki Mirjana Tasic .rs:I will be there, and I will attend Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I am going to be there Alexander Schubert:I am attending Susan Payne:Me too Laura Watkins (Hutchison):I will be in Helsinki Alexander Schubert:When isthe 2nd GAC meting (regarding ISO alpha 3)? Alexander Schubert:Thanks! Alexander Schubert:Bye! Young-eum Lee:Thanks Alexander Schubert:Great! Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye, see you Laura Watkins (Hutchison):Thanks - see you in Helsinki! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):safe flights Susan Payne:thanks all. bye jaap akkerhuis:Bye all! Ron Dherwood:Bye all Joke Braeken:Thank you! bye all.

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meeting CWG-UCTN on 13 June at 20 UTC: informal notes and documents shared.
by Joke Braeken June 13, 2016

June 13, 2016

Dear All, Please find below the informal notes taken during the call of the CWG-UCTN on 13 June at 20 UTC. In attachment, you will be able to find the documents shared in the AdobeConnect Room during the conference call, namely: - Overview of all sessions relevant to the CWG-UCTN in Helsinki - Outline cross-community session “Country and other geographic Names Forum”, scheduled in Helsinki for Wednesday June 29, 2016. (15:15 - 16:45). Helsinki Hall Best regards, Joke Braeken Notes and Action Items: 1. Welcome and roll-call Chair: Annebeth Lange. Last conference call before Helsinki. Agenda topic: cross-community session “Country and other geographic Names Forum”, scheduled in Helsinki for Wednesday June 29, 2016. (15:15 - 16:45). Helsinki Hall 2. Discussion on outline of Country and other Geographic Names Forum Input from community needed Helsinki: new format, allowing for a broader debate where we bring together all discussions. a. Purpose b. Format Suggested Moderator: Brad White, however he is not available. To ensure impartiality, we see now a moderator from ccNSO and GNSO, to ensure diversity. Chair needed as well. Suggestion: Cheryl as Chair, representing ALAC. Members of WG are there to answer questions, and will not be chair nor moderator. Chair would do an intro, setting the scene. Why we are doing this, andthen over to the 2 moderators. They will introduce the panel. Will be asked specific questions by the moderator. c. Topics Intro by Paul Szyndler Contentious e.g. "All groups must harmonise their approaches." There are other examples too, to get feedback from the room, the phrases are intentionally controversial. Interactivity is important: cards distributed to sense the temperature in the room. Green: support. Red: objection, and yellow: neutral. This is not purely a session for us as a working group. But we are the facilitators. We are testing a new model. Meeting B is the policy forum. Broader understanding of what is going on, and accumulate all conversations we are aware of. Final message: needs to be a clear " and now what". The chair will note everything that happened during the session. ---- Alex Schubert said that GNSO is waiting for input from us. However, it seems we are waiting for input from others? Carlos mentioned that a different session was discussed in the Subsequent Rounds session. (Mo & Tue). Should we make sure that all different positions are being heard? Chair and 2 moderators need to be aware of all the different positions. We spoke for instance bilaterally to the GAC. the chairmanship of this group is also cross-community in nature. Essential that all of the views are heard, but that is part of the prep. session. Moderator can draw out a counterview if someone is monopolising the conversation with 1 particular view. Susan Payne. How do we ensure that we flash out all the different view points? Some people are less forthcoming. Annebeth mentioned that it is easy to use the temperature cards, to have a feeling in the room, without the need to speak through the microphone. Moderators need to be informed of the different viewpoints. Role of the moderators is to seek different members in the audience, and to as questions to particular people, to make this as interactive as possible, for as many people as possible. d. Communication & Outreach No great concerns about the format, thus we can start working on the outreach. Verifying who will be in Helsinki. Briefing paper that expands on the strawman questions. This would be sent out to the community, directly to stakeholders within particular groups. Staff and co-chairs will contact the moderators. Once confirmed, a briefing will be prepared and organised pre-Helsinki, and in Helsinki. e. Next Steps Chairs and Moderators to be defined. 3. AOB sessions in Helsinki dealing with geographic names 1. GAC protection geographic names Monday 27. 09:15 - 09:30 (hall A) 2. GAC 3-characters as TLDs Co-chairs of this WG are invited to attend. Tue 28. 12:00 - 12:30 (hall A) 3. Cross-community session on new gTLD subsequent procedures. 4. Country & geographic names forum. 4. Closure proceed with this plan. See you in Helsinki. Thank you! Joke Braeken ccNSO Policy Advisor joke.braeken(a)icann.org<mailto:joke.braeken@icann.org> Follow @ccNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ccNSO Follow the ccNSO on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ccnso/ http://ccnso.icann.org

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Agenda 13 June 2016, 20.00 UTC + note cross-community session Country and other Geographic names Forum
by Bart Boswinkel June 13, 2016

June 13, 2016

Dear all, Please find included the draft agenda for the upcoming CCWG CTN call 13 June 2016, 20.00 UTC. 1. Welcome and roll-call 2. Discussion on outline of Country and other Geographic Names Forum a. Purpose b. Format c. Topics d. Communication & Outreach e. Next Steps 3. AOB 4. Closure Also included is a draft outline for the session in Helsinki. Discussion of this topic is the main agenda item. Briefing country /territory / geographic names forum in Helsinki. Please note the following The forum is no longer running in parallel with the Right Protection Mechanism session. Following discussions, the latter has been moved to Monday afternoon. - The session will move to the GAC room - Chair of the GAC (and others) expressed a need to be informed about the session asap. Goal/Purpose of the session The topic / theme should be very high-level. Proposed title is: "The eternal debate: country, territory and geographic names in the DNS" Moderator/facilitators TBD Use two moderators: ccNSO person and GNSO person. For their role see format. Note if the WG wants to go for two moderators, they need to be briefed properly and in time. This will need to start before the Helsinki meeting. Chair of the session: TBD Role of the chair: introduce the session, ensure timing etc. Summarize session at the end (action-items, main outcomes/conclusions, which would then feed into the work of the CCWG CTN If the moderators will be from the ccNSO and GNSO, it is suggested that the chair will be from ALAC. Format The chair would set the scene with regard to all of the various initiatives (Use of Study group report). No speakers on each (like the GAC group or even our WG) as that makes it too "heavy". After the high level is provided, the moderators take over and ask particular audience members (to be identified) to answer questions, and then invite the audience to share there views (The best analogy is the "Q&A" current affairs show in Australia - http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/) It is also intended to use the ADOBE Room to send questions to the moderators Topics to be covered We intentionally use contentious ideas (like strawpeople) - "all of the groups of ICANN must harmonize their approach to geo names", "country names belong to countries", "three letter codes are just that, and no country has presumptive rights to them". The more incendiary, the better. Second theme could be: “the need for a harmonized framework is overrated”. This would bring in SSAC, and others who have a concern about that the differences in policies: use different definitions, overlaps etc. Associated to this, the moderators should be given plenty of examples that the former Study Group used and that DO relate to the WG - .com, .cym, .cs (to show dynamics of the ISO 3166-1 list) The moderators should use a lot of audience voting and "temperature of the room" for example through the ADOBE voting tool or show of cards. Note, even a 1/3 positive, 1/3 negative and 1/3 unsure is still a good outcome, highlighting how divisive the issue is. It should be ensured that the session is NOT only about progressing the specific agenda of the WG. It is OK if the debate is more general than the WG's charter (hence title of the session) We need to formulate a "final message". We don’t know where the conversation will go and we must not steer it. But there needs to be a clear "and now what?" at the end. This could be something like “Is there a need for a harmonized framework”. Communication & Outreach 1. Discuss and inform the WG at the Monday call (co-chairs) 2. Who of the WG members will be present in Helsinki and attending the session? 3. Inform and invite community (in particular GAC). Prepare summary of session paper, after call Monday 13 June 20.00 UTC) 4. Post session summary on schedule Next steps 1. Invite and inform session chair and moderators ( 14 June) ( co-chairs/staff) 2. Briefing session with moderators and chair (16 or 17 June) (co-chairs/staff) 3. Additional briefing in Helsinki (Monday morning, assuming moderators and chairs will be in Helsinki) 4. Identify “members in the audience” with particular view/interest (co-chairs/staff/ members of the WG 5. Invite “members of the audience” and explain format (staff on behalf of the co-chairs) 6. F-2-F meeting co-chairs with moderators and chair

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ISO 3-letter country codes
by Timo Võhmar June 3, 2016

June 3, 2016

Hello everybody, I am Timo from Estonian Internet Foundation the ccTLD of Estonia (.ee), fresh observer in this WG. We have had some thoughts on the 3-letter ISO country codes for some time already playing with an idea how to use it. The CENTR survey some time ago on the topic of releasing the 3-letter codes as gTLDs made us move a bit quicker and form our ideas to a vision. It was a suprise when we found out that 3-letter codes are not reserved currently for countries but for future use. When we replied to the CENTR survey we had an impression that countries just do not see the value in 3-letter codes for them selves - to avoid confusion for registrants and unnecessary competition on ccTLD level. So we were quite positive in our answers toward releasing the codes as unused resource. But everything changed for us when we found out that even countries cannot have these under any condition. I know we were not the only ones under this false presumption as this topic has not been much discussed before and I would like to give my contribution to this debate. For starters we think that current status quo of just holding back the 3-letter codes like any other such reserved lists (AGB etc) is not ideal. It is unused resource that is of value and after making the new gTLD revolution it seems logical to put these in use as well. But we do not support releasing the country codes as gTLDs as the first step. We support doing this in two steps - making the 3-letter codes available to countries and after everyone that has an idea or sees an importance in securing the domain for that particular country the rest of the codes should be made available to everyone in some future gTLD round. The reasoning for this is simple - generally 3-letter codes are more closely related to the country name than 2-letter codes. And this is a big risk for these ccTLDs for obvious reasons like false association. We do not see the .com example as a precedent for releasing all others as well - this is traditional gTLD, has well known meaning and should be considered as exception in this case. After the release of IDN country code TLDs there are now three letter ccTLDs out there as well so there is no clear differentiation between ccTLDs and gTLDs by looking at the number of letters in TLD. Furthermore some ccTLDs are operated as gTLDs (.me, .tv, .io etc). So this argument is no good as well. In short we see the two step release of 3-letter ISO country codes as an alternative to the current status quo, a compromise to break the stalemate and move things forward. All questions and comments are very welcome. Best Regards, Timo Võhmar Arendusjuht / Head of development Eesti Interneti SA / Estonian Internet Foundation www.internet.ee

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Pre-ICANN56 Policy Update Webinar Announcement
by Nathalie Peregrine June 2, 2016

June 2, 2016

PRE-ICANN56 POLICY UPDATE WEBINAR <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en#><https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en#><https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en#><https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en#><https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en#><https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en#> Please RSVP via this form<http://goo.gl/forms/NEFg46A88QnWK8Z33> by 10 June 2016. Remote participation details will be sent the week of 13 June 2016. The ICANN Policy Development Support Team will provide a Policy Update Webinar on Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 10:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC, in preparation for the upcoming ICANN Policy Forum in Helsinki. The purpose of the webinar is to summarize policy activities across the ICANN policy development community and briefing the community on the Cross-Community sessions taking place in Helsinki. Cross-Community Sessions Briefings: * ICANN Accountability & Cross-Community Working Group (CCWG) Update * Charter for the Cross-Community Working Group (CCWG) on the use of new generic Top Level Domain (gTLD) Auction Proceeds * Draft Framework of Principles for Future Cross-Community Working Groups * New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Policy Development Process (PDP) * Next Generation generic Top Level Domain (gTLD) Registration Directory Service (WHOIS) Policy Development Process (PDP) * Review of All Rights Protection Mechanisms in all generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs) Policy Development Process (PDP) Supporting Organizations & Advisory Committee Updates: * Address Supporting Organization (ASO) and Regional Internet Registries (RIR) Policy Development * Country Code Names Supporting Organization (ccNSO) * ICANN Operational Plan & Budget * Country & Other Geographic Names Forum * Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) * GNSO Review * Possible Modification of the WHOIS Conflicts with Local Law Procedure * At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and At-Large Community * Policy Advice Development * Next Steps on the At-Large Review * Activities at ICANN56, including Outreach and Engagement and Regional At-Large Organizations (RALO) Sessions * Government Advisory Committee (GAC) * 2-Character Labels and Country Names as Second Level Domains in New generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs) * Advice Effectiveness * Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation * International Governmental Organization (IGO) Acronyms Protections in New generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs) * Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC) Advisory * Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC) * Publications * DNSSEC Workshop The two sessions are duplicates, scheduled to accommodate different time zones. Each session runs for 90 minutes and will be conducted in English. The webinar will be conducted in Adobe Connect along with a dial-in conference bridge for audio. Participants will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of each session. During the course of the webinar, questions may be submitted using the chat function in Adobe Connect. Recordings of the webinars will be made available here<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/presentations-2012-08-27-en>. The Policy Development Support Team is always available to answer any questions via email at policyinfo(a)icann.org<mailto:policyinfo@icann.org>. Please RSVP via this form<http://goo.gl/forms/NEFg46A88QnWK8Z33> by 10 June 2016. Remote participation details will be sent the week of 13 June 2016.

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