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Updated Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 20 April 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine April 24, 2015

April 24, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 20 April 2015 at 06:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-20apr15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>apr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no Laura Hutchison, .uk Joke Braeken, .eu Mirjana Tasic, .rs GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Susan Payne, IPC ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 20 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 20 April 2015 Lars Hoffmann:Good morning all. Ron Sherwood:Good (very early) morning everyone Heather Forrest:Hello Ron and Joke, thank you for joining us. Heather Forrest:Sorry for the early hour, Ron - apparently there are big goings on in Costa Rica today involving Fadi and we tried to steer clear of overlapping with those activities Ron Sherwood:I do understand... zzzzzz! Heather Forrest:Welcome, Bart! Bart Boswinkel:Helloe everyone Heather Forrest:Thank you all for your timeliness - we'll wait 1 or 2 minutes to start to have another co-chair on the call Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Heather Forrest:Welcome, Maxim - thank you for joining the call today Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have adobe audio? Heather Forrest:I believe so but will let Nathalie confirm Nathalie Peregrine:Yes Maxim Nathalie Peregrine:I see you have activated your mic Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio test positive Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi all Bart Boswinkel:I am the call, but there is a lot of echo Bart Boswinkel:Both you an dLars Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no echo for me via AC atm Bart Boswinkel:resolved Ron Sherwood:No echo here on AC Carlos Raul:sorry Carlos Raul:here I Am Heather Forrest:great, carlos - thanks! Heather Forrest:We are just now getting started Carlos Raul:you go Heather pls Heather Forrest:ok Cheryl Langdon-Orr:scroll control?? Nathalie Peregrine:enabled Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth lange has joined the call Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am all OK with the BG part of the doc subject to the mnor edits and some format issues ( e.g. bottom of page 6) Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the Audio bridge, not has emabled her mic in the AC room Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Note Deffinittion is an orphanws from the table in my view of the doc... needs a page return pre that word... Heather Forrest:Noted, thanks Cheryl Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):refernece to 6 on 6th page needs URL to the previous document Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the net, and with the sound Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Bart a commin issue with readers of our previous docs../ is to bring in 'Common Use' terms (geo I admot) as "Territory" when we mean the LISTED ones... Annebeth Lange:I don´t think you hear me Cheryl Langdon-Orr:No we don't Annabeth Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm OK with the several terms used in the deffinitions lstr as Heather proposes and A BIG supporter of the Capitals for Deffined Terms use ;-) Annebeth Lange:Can you call me on 0047 959 11 559 Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the sound Annebeth Lange:So do you mean that the territories in the ISO list should be taken out, Heather and Carlos? Heather Forrest:Not quite, Annebeth - that we have 3 separate definitions Heather Forrest:1. Country names, 2. Territory names, 3. Country and territory names Carlos Raul:only in the third one we refer to the ISO list Heather Forrest:Understood, Bart - there are political issues here Annebeth Lange:It is not us deciding what is countries. When UN decide a new country, that will be on the ISO list Annebeth Lange:So I agree, this is politics Joke Braeken:I agree Annebeth Annebeth Lange:And we must remember that our WG is working with c & t names as TLDs, not only as gTLDs Joke Braeken:exactly Carlos Raul:I agree Annebeth, and we should treat them chronologically Carlos Raul:1st cctlds Carlos Raul:and then, get into the gTLD workd Carlos Raul:world Heather Forrest:quite right, Bart- the terminology has always been an issue here Annebeth Lange:So what then, do you mean with countries in your suggested list 1? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agreement from me on that Bart :-) Annebeth Lange:I agree strongly with Bart. RFC 1591 is the starting point. Annebeth Lange:No, it does not seem to work. COuld someone call me on 004795911559? Nathalie Peregrine:of course! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it is important to stick to established facts ... thus term geopolitical might be better to ommit Annebeth Lange:Carlos, yes, but it is the starting point for the countries and territories. The names of the countries and territories have gotten their code FROM their name Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is now on te audio bidge Heather Forrest:Thank you Nathalia Heather Forrest:Nathalie.... Nathalie Peregrine::) Nathalie Peregrine:Jaap Akkerhuis has joined the call Heather Forrest:Carlos - old hand or new hand? jaap akkehuis:Apologies for being late Heather Forrest:got it Heather Forrest:Welcome, Jaap. Thank you for joining us Carlos Raul:old hand Carlos Raul:sorry jaap akkehuis:The ISO standard has a definition what a country and territory is Carlos Raul:agree Carlos Raul:country and terrotyt according to ISO Carlos Raul:no regions Carlos Raul:Olga is here in Costa rica... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in 3166 'areas of geographical interest' and do we use 'areas of particular geopolitical interest' Carlos Raul:but busy with other stuff Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):? Carlos Raul:I just saw her Nathalie Peregrine:Mirjana Tasic has joined the call Heather Forrest:Welcome Mirjana Carlos Raul:2 or 3 letter Mirjana Tasic:Heloo, I am soryy I am late Heather Forrest:Lost me? Heather Forrest:Mute! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):geopolitical is fine since it is used by ISO Annebeth Lange:And when new countries are created, they will get a new 2-letter code Carlos Raul:introspection by Heather Carlos Raul:talking so herself Annebeth Lange:And a 3-letter code, and a 4-letter code Carlos Raul:2, 3 and 4 letter representation Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:And in my view, Carlos, they kind of identify the countries Annebeth Lange:I do not think new territories will be established - that is historical, probably Carlos Raul:iprefer the langugae of the ccNS Carlos Raul:O paper Carlos Raul:the codes REPRESENT country names Annebeth Lange:THat is OK, Carlos, as long as we agree Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather Carlos Raul:we agree Heather Forrest:Carlos - would you suggest we discuss this under the heading 'two letter strings'? Heather Forrest:Instead of 'two-letter codes'? Annebeth Lange:As we have talked about earlier, we have had .com from the start. I do not think Jon Postel then took the Comores 3-letter code. In the beginning it was clear that this meant COMMERCIAL, and because of that, no confusion Carlos Raul:in the ptions Carlos Raul:options Annebeth Lange:The problems giving away the 2-letter codes not assigned, is that we then makes it impossible for new countries to have "THEIR" 2-letter code Annebeth Lange:I think we clearly should deal with that in the options paper Annebeth Lange:I agree, Carlos Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:I understand, Heather, where we discuss the different solutions jaap akkehuis:When you start to talk about using non assigned codes one should really make a difference between top level domains amd further down the tree Carlos Raul:we are cler Annebeth Lange:I agree with Jaap Annebeth Lange:If Jaap, you mean that those not assigned could be "free". Annebeth Lange:That is OK, Heater, as long as it is covered Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have wording for the situation of "new ISO code created ' and gTLD is already in use? Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather jaap akkehuis:That is why one to make the difference between TLDs and below. Heather Forrest:I would assume that any of our recommendations as a CWG are conditioned on the current use of ccTLDs with a recommendation that this be reviewed at a future point if codes are used differently Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):with 4 letters ... it is not that simple ... how to estimate demand for new subdivisions ... country want additional detalization for some reasons ... totally unpredictable ... potentially blocks all 4 letters Heather Forrest:We are not in a position to guess at future ccTLD policy Heather Forrest:Whether something is confusing depends on its use - very difficult to pre-determine the outcome Bart Boswinkel:What makes it difficult are the IDNs Laura Hutchison:I would suggest that a precedent has already been set with countries using 2 letter codes as ccTLDs. This is understood by the end user. If we set up provisions/ protections for countries to use 3 or 4 letter codes then firstly this would create confusion for the end user as some 3 letter codes are ccTLs and others are gTLDs; and secondly, it makes for a very restrictive system that allows ccTLDs a "bigger slice of the pie" as Annebeth just said. Carlos Raul:of course Annebeth, and we should be cleqr on that Carlos Raul:excellent Annebeth Lange:Thanks, Laura, I am happy that I am not the only one having understood it this way Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we refer to historical reasons to protect all 2 letters Carlos Raul:I agree with Maxim Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and only of existing 3 and 4 letters? Bart Boswinkel:No none Carlos Raul:but only the assinged ones Carlos Raul:all happy Annebeth Lange:Maxim, there is also political reasons to protect here Bart Boswinkel:Yes I am Annebeth Lange:Fine Carlos Raul:Hope I can go back to sleep.....good nite. Next time at 3pm my time please Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks Everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you all Bart Boswinkel:Bye all Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye everyone Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone - great progress Mirjana Tasic:Bye jaap akkehuis:By everymone, agan apologoes Nathalie Peregrine:thank you! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much for all your support, Nathalie, Bart, Lars

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 20 April 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine April 20, 2015

April 20, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 20 April 2015 at 06:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-20apr15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>apr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no Laura Hutchison, .uk Joke Braeken, .eu GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Susan Payne, IPC ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 20 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 20 April 2015 Lars Hoffmann:Good morning all. Ron Sherwood:Good (very early) morning everyone Heather Forrest:Hello Ron and Joke, thank you for joining us. Heather Forrest:Sorry for the early hour, Ron - apparently there are big goings on in Costa Rica today involving Fadi and we tried to steer clear of overlapping with those activities Ron Sherwood:I do understand... zzzzzz! Heather Forrest:Welcome, Bart! Bart Boswinkel:Helloe everyone Heather Forrest:Thank you all for your timeliness - we'll wait 1 or 2 minutes to start to have another co-chair on the call Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Heather Forrest:Welcome, Maxim - thank you for joining the call today Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have adobe audio? Heather Forrest:I believe so but will let Nathalie confirm Nathalie Peregrine:Yes Maxim Nathalie Peregrine:I see you have activated your mic Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio test positive Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi all Bart Boswinkel:I am the call, but there is a lot of echo Bart Boswinkel:Both you an dLars Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no echo for me via AC atm Bart Boswinkel:resolved Ron Sherwood:No echo here on AC Carlos Raul:sorry Carlos Raul:here I Am Heather Forrest:great, carlos - thanks! Heather Forrest:We are just now getting started Carlos Raul:you go Heather pls Heather Forrest:ok Cheryl Langdon-Orr:scroll control?? Nathalie Peregrine:enabled Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth lange has joined the call Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am all OK with the BG part of the doc subject to the mnor edits and some format issues ( e.g. bottom of page 6) Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the Audio bridge, not has emabled her mic in the AC room Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Note Deffinittion is an orphanws from the table in my view of the doc... needs a page return pre that word... Heather Forrest:Noted, thanks Cheryl Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):refernece to 6 on 6th page needs URL to the previous document Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the net, and with the sound Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Bart a commin issue with readers of our previous docs../ is to bring in 'Common Use' terms (geo I admot) as "Territory" when we mean the LISTED ones... Annebeth Lange:I don´t think you hear me Cheryl Langdon-Orr:No we don't Annabeth Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm OK with the several terms used in the deffinitions lstr as Heather proposes and A BIG supporter of the Capitals for Deffined Terms use ;-) Annebeth Lange:Can you call me on 0047 959 11 559 Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the sound Annebeth Lange:So do you mean that the territories in the ISO list should be taken out, Heather and Carlos? Heather Forrest:Not quite, Annebeth - that we have 3 separate definitions Heather Forrest:1. Country names, 2. Territory names, 3. Country and territory names Carlos Raul:only in the third one we refer to the ISO list Heather Forrest:Understood, Bart - there are political issues here Annebeth Lange:It is not us deciding what is countries. When UN decide a new country, that will be on the ISO list Annebeth Lange:So I agree, this is politics Joke Braeken:I agree Annebeth Annebeth Lange:And we must remember that our WG is working with c & t names as TLDs, not only as gTLDs Joke Braeken:exactly Carlos Raul:I agree Annebeth, and we should treat them chronologically Carlos Raul:1st cctlds Carlos Raul:and then, get into the gTLD workd Carlos Raul:world Heather Forrest:quite right, Bart- the terminology has always been an issue here Annebeth Lange:So what then, do you mean with countries in your suggested list 1? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agreement from me on that Bart :-) Annebeth Lange:I agree strongly with Bart. RFC 1591 is the starting point. Annebeth Lange:No, it does not seem to work. COuld someone call me on 004795911559? Nathalie Peregrine:of course! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it is important to stick to established facts ... thus term geopolitical might be better to ommit Annebeth Lange:Carlos, yes, but it is the starting point for the countries and territories. The names of the countries and territories have gotten their code FROM their name Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is now on te audio bidge Heather Forrest:Thank you Nathalia Heather Forrest:Nathalie.... Nathalie Peregrine::) Nathalie Peregrine:Jaap Akkerhuis has joined the call Heather Forrest:Carlos - old hand or new hand? jaap akkehuis:Apologies for being late Heather Forrest:got it Heather Forrest:Welcome, Jaap. Thank you for joining us Carlos Raul:old hand Carlos Raul:sorry jaap akkehuis:The ISO standard has a definition what a country and territory is Carlos Raul:agree Carlos Raul:country and terrotyt according to ISO Carlos Raul:no regions Carlos Raul:Olga is here in Costa rica... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in 3166 'areas of geographical interest' and do we use 'areas of particular geopolitical interest' Carlos Raul:but busy with other stuff Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):? Carlos Raul:I just saw her Nathalie Peregrine:Mirjana Tasic has joined the call Heather Forrest:Welcome Mirjana Carlos Raul:2 or 3 letter Mirjana Tasic:Heloo, I am soryy I am late Heather Forrest:Lost me? Heather Forrest:Mute! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):geopolitical is fine since it is used by ISO Annebeth Lange:And when new countries are created, they will get a new 2-letter code Carlos Raul:introspection by Heather Carlos Raul:talking so herself Annebeth Lange:And a 3-letter code, and a 4-letter code Carlos Raul:2, 3 and 4 letter representation Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:And in my view, Carlos, they kind of identify the countries Annebeth Lange:I do not think new territories will be established - that is historical, probably Carlos Raul:iprefer the langugae of the ccNS Carlos Raul:O paper Carlos Raul:the codes REPRESENT country names Annebeth Lange:THat is OK, Carlos, as long as we agree Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather Carlos Raul:we agree Heather Forrest:Carlos - would you suggest we discuss this under the heading 'two letter strings'? Heather Forrest:Instead of 'two-letter codes'? Annebeth Lange:As we have talked about earlier, we have had .com from the start. I do not think Jon Postel then took the Comores 3-letter code. In the beginning it was clear that this meant COMMERCIAL, and because of that, no confusion Carlos Raul:in the ptions Carlos Raul:options Annebeth Lange:The problems giving away the 2-letter codes not assigned, is that we then makes it impossible for new countries to have "THEIR" 2-letter code Annebeth Lange:I think we clearly should deal with that in the options paper Annebeth Lange:I agree, Carlos Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:I understand, Heather, where we discuss the different solutions jaap akkehuis:When you start to talk about using non assigned codes one should really make a difference between top level domains amd further down the tree Carlos Raul:we are cler Annebeth Lange:I agree with Jaap Annebeth Lange:If Jaap, you mean that those not assigned could be "free". Annebeth Lange:That is OK, Heater, as long as it is covered Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have wording for the situation of "new ISO code created ' and gTLD is already in use? Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather jaap akkehuis:That is why one to make the difference between TLDs and below. Heather Forrest:I would assume that any of our recommendations as a CWG are conditioned on the current use of ccTLDs with a recommendation that this be reviewed at a future point if codes are used differently Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):with 4 letters ... it is not that simple ... how to estimate demand for new subdivisions ... country want additional detalization for some reasons ... totally unpredictable ... potentially blocks all 4 letters Heather Forrest:We are not in a position to guess at future ccTLD policy Heather Forrest:Whether something is confusing depends on its use - very difficult to pre-determine the outcome Bart Boswinkel:What makes it difficult are the IDNs Laura Hutchison:I would suggest that a precedent has already been set with countries using 2 letter codes as ccTLDs. This is understood by the end user. If we set up provisions/ protections for countries to use 3 or 4 letter codes then firstly this would create confusion for the end user as some 3 letter codes are ccTLs and others are gTLDs; and secondly, it makes for a very restrictive system that allows ccTLDs a "bigger slice of the pie" as Annebeth just said. Carlos Raul:of course Annebeth, and we should be cleqr on that Carlos Raul:excellent Annebeth Lange:Thanks, Laura, I am happy that I am not the only one having understood it this way Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we refer to historical reasons to protect all 2 letters Carlos Raul:I agree with Maxim Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and only of existing 3 and 4 letters? Bart Boswinkel:No none Carlos Raul:but only the assinged ones Carlos Raul:all happy Annebeth Lange:Maxim, there is also political reasons to protect here Bart Boswinkel:Yes I am Annebeth Lange:Fine Carlos Raul:Hope I can go back to sleep.....good nite. Next time at 3pm my time please Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks Everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you all Bart Boswinkel:Bye all Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye everyone Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone - great progress Mirjana Tasic:Bye jaap akkehuis:By everymone, agan apologoes Nathalie Peregrine:thank you! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much for all your support, Nathalie, Bart, Lars

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Monday's agenda
by Lars Hoffmann April 17, 2015

April 17, 2015

Dear all, Please find below the draft agenda for Monday¹s call. Also attached is the Options Paper we will focus on the definitions section as well as the 2-letter codes. Have a good weekend and see you Monday. Very best wishes, Lars Draft Agenda CWG Country and Territory Names Monday 20 April, 06.00 UTC (other times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150420T06&p1=1440&ah=1> ). 1. Welcome 2. Continuation of Substantial on Definitions 3. Continuation of Substantial Discussion on two-letter strings (Section 2 of Options Paper) 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB

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Latest version
by Lars Hoffmann April 15, 2015

April 15, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached the latest version of the Options Paper that contains albeit edited Jaap¹s very helpful Q and A Document as part of the definition section. I would like to encourage you to go through the document and highlight any issues you wish to raise through track changes and/or on this email list. The agenda for next week¹s meeting will follow shortly. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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Monday's meeting cancelled
by Lars Hoffmann April 10, 2015

April 10, 2015

Dear all, Monday¹s meeting will be cancelled and postponed until Monday 20 April, 06 UTC (other times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150420T06&p1=1440&ah=1> ). An updated calendar invite will follow. Best. Lars

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 30 March 2015
by Terri Agnew April 9, 2015

April 9, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 30 March 2015 at 19:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-30mar15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>ar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Annebeth Lange, .no Mirjana Tasic, .rs Laura Hutchison, .uk Grigori Saghyan, .am Jacqueline Morris, .tt Ron Sherwood, .vi GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Colin O'Brien, IPC Susan Payne, IPC At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Joke Braeken, .eu ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Lars Hoffmann Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 30 March 2015: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 30th March 2015 Terri Agnew:Hi, this call will begin in 25 minutes Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok Carlos Raul (GNSO):no audio yet anyhow Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you terri Terri Agnew:audio is ready now Grigori Saghyan:Hello! Carlos Raul (GNSO):Hello Grigori Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Carlos Raul (GNSO):Hello Maxim Carlos Raul (GNSO):Question Carlos Raul (GNSO):waht does FAITID mean? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Faoundation Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Foundation for Assistance for Internet Technologies and Infrastructure Development Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):registry for .moscow / .xn--80adxhks Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok thank you Lars Hoffmann:hey everybody Carlos Raul (GNSO):hello Annebeth Lange:Hi Heather Forrest:Good morning everyone Annebeth Lange:I should say good evening, here it is 9 pm Jaap Akkerhuis:Hi All Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi All only in AC for a while while I am also in another call... Jaap Akkerhuis:21:00 here as well Terri Agnew:Welcome Colin O'Brien Heather Forrest:I would like to say a few words about the changed structure since this follows on our last meeting Jaap Akkerhuis:Patagonia is nowehere mentioned Carlos Raul (GNSO):ok Heather Carlos Raul (GNSO):you are next Annebeth Lange:Exactly. Patagonia is not a territory in the ISO 3166 sense Heather Forrest:I won't interrupt this point so let's finish on ISo 3166 first Annebeth Lange:Patagonia is more a region Annebeth Lange:Jaap, I agree Jaap Akkerhuis:Apologies for the old hand Heather Forrest:thank you, Annebeth - glad you are happy with the approach Terri Agnew:Jacqueline Morris has joined Jaap Akkerhuis:I'kk add a definition of the ISO 3166-1 list Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):lower left - we might need to chang Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes just muted Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):e all to letter -> all two letter Jaap Akkerhuis:There are multiple ISO lists Jaap Akkerhuis:The list also is the base for IDNs Jaap Akkerhuis:It determines what is eligible to goe to the fast track process Laura Hutchison:I agree with Annebeth. The status quo is very well establ.ished. Changing this would create confusion for end users. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):countries do not use digits ... but they might use it in the future Jaap Akkerhuis:No, as longs as you follow ISO 3166, digits are not used Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather, let us stay with the 2-letter codes for now Jaap Akkerhuis:There are also 4 letter codes in ISO 3166 (part 3) Annebeth Lange:I also agree with Laura, we should try to avoid creating confusion Terri Agnew:Ron Sherwood has joined Annebeth Lange:I agree, our mandate is for 2-letter and 3-letter codes Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agree also specify Jacqueline Morris:Agreed. Annebeth Lange:That will at least be very controversial, Heather, to go away from the ISO 3166 list Heather Forrest:apologies - that was a bit longwinded! Heather Forrest:I agree, Annebeth, and there may be technical issues Annebeth Lange:Remember what the AGB says about c & t names. Today c & t names and the extensions thereof are not allowed as gTLDs Heather Forrest:To clarify, my point was that in this discussion we should be considering the specific question: What should we do with 2-letter codes on the ISO 3166-2 list. Heather Forrest:In this context it does not make sense to be "moving away from lists" because the very question implicates the ISO 3166-2 list Heather Forrest:As I see it there are only 3 options: Heather Forrest:1. Status quo (reserve the ISO 3166-2 codes Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Annebeth Heather Forrest:2. Remove reservation Heather Forrest:3. ISO 3166-2 is qualified - not automatially reserved but there is some framework Annebeth Lange:I agree Annebeth Lange:If we can finish our discussion on 2-letter codes first, that would be good Laura Hutchison:I think that the list is from an external source is a good thing Annebeth Lange:As Icann has said before, it is not them decided what is a country or a territory, that is UN Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):reserving 2letter code for eternity is less pain than taking TLD code back ... Annebeth Lange:I agree with Maxim Annebeth Lange:And it will give new countries established in the future the same system as the old countries have today Jaap Akkerhuis:Since ISO taes codes back, maintaining TLDs for aver means serious conflicts in future Annebeth Lange:This is also bridging the digital divied Jacqueline Morris:Maintaining the TLD for eternity or reserving the code for eternity Laura Hutchison:I would agree. The list is managed by an external body that is better placed than ICANN to decide and manage the list. I would agree with Annebeth and Maxim about protection of codes for future countries. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and old codes have their own afterlife ... like .su and .uk Jacqueline Morris:I thought it wass reserving for eternity - that allows for reuse, just as ISO does Jacqueline Morris:since they maintain the list Annebeth Lange:That is true, Jacqueline, if a 2-letter code is "retired" and taken back to ISO, it might be given to another country in the future, I think - as a ccTLD. Heather Forrest:Can anyone identify additional benefits and burdens of status quo to add to our list? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):reuse of TLD after retirement and re-birth by another country ... cound be an issue of the future Heather Forrest:Good point, Maxim - this should go on the list Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):good example Mirjana Tasic:I thing that Iso 3166 2 letter codes which has been used cannot be reused for some period of time ( I think next 50 years? Heather Forrest:Confusion may become less an issue when we have a top-level with 1000 domains Jacqueline Morris:True... Annebeth Lange:But still, it is important that users know what is a ccTLD and what is a gTLD Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):only 5 years before the next use Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if I am not mistaken Heather Forrest:Annebeth - that line is already blurred by generic use of ccTLDs Heather Forrest:If you want to keep the line clear we have to require that ccTLDs are used only within the country or for country purposes Heather Forrest:Carlos rightfully points out .co and .nu as examples Heather Forrest:.md is another Annebeth Lange:But Jaap, the codes represent names of countries and territories. .no is understood as a representation of Norway, for example Heather Forrest:It would be interesting to do a global survey to see if users at this time differentiate ccTLDs and gTLDs Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we might not ask for restrictions on cctlds ... limiting their ability to use ccTLD the way they want is well outside of our hands Annebeth Lange:I know that some countries decide to use their ccTLD more commercially, but still, it is the local internat community that has decided that. Carlos Raul (GNSO):Heather, i drafted a survey idea just after our meeting with the gAC Lars Hoffmann:here is a short definiton of the codes. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/country_codes_glossary.… Carlos Raul (GNSO):lars Carlos Raul (GNSO):put it in the text please Carlos Raul (GNSO):in the definition lists Heather Forrest:I mean not a survey sent to governments but to internet users Carlos Raul (GNSO):I never send it out Lars Hoffmann:@carlos- will do that. Heather Forrest:Carlos - I don't disagree with you Jaap Akkerhuis:I have never said that the codes were used for statistical purposes Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Could we add wodring that possible dissolution of ISO 3166 and replacement with the next standard will cause the re-design of the document in a fast manner Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):? Jaap Akkerhuis:It was in the early drafts and very quickly yanked Heather Forrest:Given that we have the status quo we have to decide what to do with the status quo - and the status quo involves the ISO list Laura Hutchison:Theoretical question but does it matter what the list was developed for? Even if it was developed for statistical use, it is a reconised shorthand that links codes to country names? Jaap Akkerhuis:You wan to refer to the alpha-2 codes in Section 9 of ISO 3166-1 Laura Hutchison:so it serves a purpose for the use to define ccTLDs Heather Forrest:I agree with Laura in terms of our discussion about what t do with status quo Heather Forrest:If we believe we need to deal with other codes not on ISO list then we have to question the reasoning Annebeth Lange:You mean, Heather, that we should stop the possibility for new countries to have their country code? Carlos Raul (GNSO):we need to leave a possibility for new codes Carlos Raul (GNSO):by all means Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I agree - we need to avoid future issues with the removal of 2letter potential TLDs Annebeth Lange:We have to deal with the ISO list Heather Forrest:Thank you Carlos - a good summary Heather Forrest:Let's continue to work on the draft Heather Forrest:capture the comments from today Heather Forrest:and keep ging Annebeth Lange:And it is up to the local internet community in each country/territory how they will use their ccTLD, That is not up to us. Heather Forrest:Thank you Lars Heather Forrest:Let's revisit the time zones Heather Forrest:Carlos - this has been good, helpful robust discussion - well led Annebeth Lange:It is OK for me, the time of today. We have to take care of those having it too early in the morning Annebeth Lange:Thank you Carlos, for leading the call. Good work! Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you all Jaap Akkerhuis:I need to drop off, Bye! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):some of WG conduct doodle polls for the time of meeting (+-1.5 hours) Carlos Raul (GNSO):thank you jaap Carlos Raul (GNSO):very good work Lars Hoffmann:no problem cheryl. Heather Forrest:Thank you everyone! Susan Payne - Valideus:thanks Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye all Thank yu Annebeth Lange:THanks and goodbye Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanx Everybody! Lars Hoffmann:thank you - and have a good day/evening/night/morning everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you all goodbye Mirjana Tasic:Bye Jacqueline Morris:thanks - bye Heather Forrest:Enjoy your holiday, Annebeth

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