June 2015 - Ctn-crosscom - lists.icann.org

Meetings post ICANN53
by Lars Hoffmann July 2, 2015

July 2, 2015

Dear all, I hope you had a pleasant and uneventful return to your respective homes. To allow for a well-deserved break I suggest the following dates for our calls until ICANN54: Monday 13 July at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150713T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 27 July at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150727T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 10 August at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150810T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 24 August at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150824T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 07 September at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150907T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 21 September at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150921T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) October 05 October at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20151005T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Of course, we can make changes to these as needed/requested. Dial-in details and agenda items to follow Very best wishes, Lars

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Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper
by Annebeth Lange June 23, 2015

June 23, 2015

Dear Nigel, Thank you for your note and welcome to our Group. We are very happy that you are interested in our work and would like to thank you for your constructive feedback. We will certainly add these to our collections of views on the issue of 2-letter codes. We would very much encourage you - as well as any of your fellow GAC members - to continue following our discussion and contribute wherever possible. Please note that we are meeting every other week for our conference calls and very much hope we can welcome you on these in the future. Very best wishes, Annebeth B. Lange - on behalf of the co-chairs of the Cross Community WG on the use of Country & Territory Names Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange(a)uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 Annebeth B. Lange Fagansvarlig jus og myndighetskontakt UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 C NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange(a)uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobil: + 47 95911559 From: Nigel Cassimire <nigel.cassimire(a)ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int>> Date: Monday 22 June 2015 18:41 To: "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper Thanks for the invitation to today's CWG meeting which I attended as an Observer member of the GAC and which enlightened my understanding of the work of the group. I think the options paper is an appropriate way to record and structure the principles, findings and recommendations of the group and I would like to submit a few comments I was not able to make today before time ran out. 1. I support the idea of including in the options paper certain guiding principles for formulating ultimate recommendations e.g. standards-based references for county or territory names. I also advocate making or keeping "sufficiently clear differentiation" as one of these principles. 2. Two letter codes at the TLD level are universally recognised as country codes and this should remain so, notwithstanding a few instances where they might have been used for purposes other than country identification e.g. .TV. To do otherwise would be to diminish the branding efforts of the great majority of ccTLDs, particularly ones with strong brands like .ca, .br and .mx to name a few. 3. Incumbency has its privileges. The 2-letter TLDs as country codes is a part of the Internet eco-system that is widely understood and functioning well. It is quite likely that commercial interests with 2-letter brands could find (and already have) commercially acceptable and distinctive alternatives to a 2-letter TLD. 4. In making policy it is wise to keep in mind the average Internet user who is not as well informed as persons involved in ICANN processes. Regards, Nigel Cassimire Telecommunications Specialist [CTU Logo Full Name] 4 Mary Street, St. Clair, Port of Spain,Trinidad and Tobago. Tel: (+1 868) 628-0281 ext. 235 |Fax: (+1 868) 622-6523 |E-mail:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int> Website: http://ctu.int<http://ctu.int/>

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Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper
by Annebeth Lange June 23, 2015

June 23, 2015

Dear Nigel, Thank you for your note and welcome to our Group. We are very happy that you are interested in our work and would like to thank you for your constructive feedback. We will certainly add these to our collections of views on the issue of 2-letter codes. We would very much encourage you - as well as any of your fellow GAC members - to continue following our discussion and contribute wherever possible. Please note that we are meeting every other week for our conference calls and very much hope we can welcome you on these in the future. Very best wishes, Annebeth Lange (co-chair in the crosscom on c & t names) From: Nigel Cassimire <nigel.cassimire(a)ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int>> Date: Monday 22 June 2015 18:41 To: "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper Thanks for the invitation to today's CWG meeting which I attended as an Observer member of the GAC and which enlightened my understanding of the work of the group. I think the options paper is an appropriate way to record and structure the principles, findings and recommendations of the group and I would like to submit a few comments I was not able to make today before time ran out. 1. I support the idea of including in the options paper certain guiding principles for formulating ultimate recommendations e.g. standards-based references for county or territory names. I also advocate making or keeping "sufficiently clear differentiation" as one of these principles. 2. Two letter codes at the TLD level are universally recognised as country codes and this should remain so, notwithstanding a few instances where they might have been used for purposes other than country identification e.g. .TV. To do otherwise would be to diminish the branding efforts of the great majority of ccTLDs, particularly ones with strong brands like .ca, .br and .mx to name a few. 3. Incumbency has its privileges. The 2-letter TLDs as country codes is a part of the Internet eco-system that is widely understood and functioning well. It is quite likely that commercial interests with 2-letter brands could find (and already have) commercially acceptable and distinctive alternatives to a 2-letter TLD. 4. In making policy it is wise to keep in mind the average Internet user who is not as well informed as persons involved in ICANN processes. Regards, Nigel Cassimire Telecommunications Specialist [CTU Logo Full Name] 4 Mary Street, St. Clair, Port of Spain,Trinidad and Tobago. Tel: (+1 868) 628-0281 ext. 235 |Fax: (+1 868) 622-6523 |E-mail:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int> Website: http://ctu.int<http://ctu.int/>

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Principles / Objectives for Options Paper
by Nigel Cassimire June 22, 2015

June 22, 2015

Thanks for the invitation to today's CWG meeting which I attended as an Observer member of the GAC and which enlightened my understanding of the work of the group. I think the options paper is an appropriate way to record and structure the principles, findings and recommendations of the group and I would like to submit a few comments I was not able to make today before time ran out. 1. I support the idea of including in the options paper certain guiding principles for formulating ultimate recommendations e.g. standards-based references for county or territory names. I also advocate making or keeping "sufficiently clear differentiation" as one of these principles. 2. Two letter codes at the TLD level are universally recognised as country codes and this should remain so, notwithstanding a few instances where they might have been used for purposes other than country identification e.g. .TV. To do otherwise would be to diminish the branding efforts of the great majority of ccTLDs, particularly ones with strong brands like .ca, .br and .mx to name a few. 3. Incumbency has its privileges. The 2-letter TLDs as country codes is a part of the Internet eco-system that is widely understood and functioning well. It is quite likely that commercial interests with 2-letter brands could find (and already have) commercially acceptable and distinctive alternatives to a 2-letter TLD. 4. In making policy it is wise to keep in mind the average Internet user who is not as well informed as persons involved in ICANN processes. Regards, Nigel Cassimire Telecommunications Specialist [CTU Logo Full Name] 4 Mary Street, St. Clair, Port of Spain,Trinidad and Tobago. Tel: (+1 868) 628-0281 ext. 235 |Fax: (+1 868) 622-6523 |E-mail:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int> Website: http://ctu.int<http://ctu.int/>

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REminder
by Lars Hoffmann June 22, 2015

June 22, 2015

Dear all, Please remember our face-to-face meeting today in Retiro A (http://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/mon-ctn) at 13:00 UTC Below you find a reminder of the agenda and relevant documents are attached - please note that printouts of these will be available during the meeting. A copy of this email will go out to the GAC mailing list and please remind your colleagues that the meeting is open to everyone. Very best wishes, Lars Proposed Agenda Cross Community Working Group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as Top-Level Domains Monday 22 June 2015 1. Welcome 2. Presentation of achievements 2nd Progress Report (draft) 3. Discussion of Risks and Benefits for unrestricted use of two-character strings if not in conflict with an existing ccTLD or any applicable string similarity rules (ASCII) 4. Coordination with the GAC¹s effort on the protection of geographic other community efforts regarding country and territory names in the DNS 5. Roadmap to ICANN54 6. AOB

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Options Paper + Options on 2-letter codes
by Lars Hoffmann June 20, 2015

June 20, 2015

Dear all, In preparation for Monday¹s meeting in Buenos Aires (http://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/mon-ctn) please find attached the most recent clean versions of our Straw Man Options Paper and the overview document for 2-letter code options. A separate meeting invite, agenda and a first draft of the Second Progress Report will follow shortly. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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With AC chat Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 8 June 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine June 9, 2015

June 9, 2015

Apologies, AC chat added From: Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine(a)icann.org<mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 3:07 PM To: "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>" <gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-secs] Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 8 June 2015 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 8 June 2015 at 19:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-08jun15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jun>jun<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jun> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no (Co-Chair) Joke Braeken, .eu Jordi Iparraguirre, ccNSO Council NomCom appointee Paul Szyndler, .au (Co-Chair) Mirjana Tasic, .rs GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Susan Payne NTAG Griffin Barnett, IPC At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: none ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Patrick Jones Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 8 June 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on 8 June 2015 Jordi Iparraguirre:hi! Annebeth Lange, ccNSO:Hi Jordi Nathalie Peregrine:Please all remember to mute your phones and mics when not speaking, thank you! Bart Boswinkel:Dear all, Jaap and I will work on the text on procedure ISO 3166 MA on new entries into the list Nathalie Peregrine:Laura Hutchison has joined the call Susan Payne:my mike does not work sorry I will try to call in Lars Hoffmann:@susan - do you need a dial out? Joke Braeken:apologies : I missed the first few minutes, and had to dial in again. all fine now. Nathalie Peregrine:Young Eum-Lee has joined the call Lars Hoffmann:this is our meeting in BA: http://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/mon-ctn Susan Payne:hi I finally managed to dial in, sorry for delay. I will slot in at a suitable point Lars Hoffmann:thanks susan. Carlos Raul:blurring of the distintion and two separate governance regimes Laura Hutchison:Hi - sorry I don't have a working mic. I can see Susan's point but agree with Annebeth's point that in the few instances where the ccTLD is operated more as a gTLD then that is down to the individual country choice. I would agreed that it needs to be referenced in the paper as something that blurs the lines of the general definitions. Susan Payne:Paul, there is still a GAC group, it may be a new one but it has had at least one meeting Susan Payne:I take your point it may not havebeen so active however Paul Szyndler:Susan: I couldnt recall the name of the "umbrella group" that sat over the one that was addressing geo issues. I understand all of the "subgroups" have been escalated in status. But then, its all just mechanics..... Susan Payne:ah, I misunderstood you, sorry. I cannot recall name of the umbrella group either. Future round issues perhaps Cheryl Langdon-Orr:makes sense Lars Hoffmann:Here is the joint gnso-ccnso session.http://buenosaires53.icann.org/en/schedule/mon-ccnso-gnso-council Laura Hutchison: That sounds like a good suggestion from Lars. It also means that if we can't manage to get GAC engagement in the WG, then we could at least see if we could get some written suggestions and thoughts on the key issues. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:indeed Laura Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):apoligies, wrong time zone convertion Carlos Raul:coffee for Heather F. Young eum Lee:thanks Jordi Iparraguirre:ok, thanks and see you in BsAs! Susan Payne:Yes, safe trip everyone, see you in BA Mirjana Tasic .rs:bye jaap akkerhuis:Bye bye Cheryl Langdon-Orr:safe travels Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye Ron Sherwood:Bye all, Thank you Laura Hutchison:Thanks and see everyone in Buenos Aires

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 8 June 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine June 9, 2015

June 9, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 8 June 2015 at 19:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-08jun15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jun>jun<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jun> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no (Co-Chair) Joke Braeken, .eu Jordi Iparraguirre, ccNSO Council NomCom appointee Paul Szyndler, .au (Co-Chair) Mirjana Tasic, .rs GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Susan Payne NTAG Griffin Barnett, IPC At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: none ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Patrick Jones Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 8 June 2015:

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Agenda and Summary Document
by Lars Hoffmann June 5, 2015

June 5, 2015

Dear all, In preparation for Monday’s call you find below the proposed draft agenda. Attached you find a summary document that collates all comments submitted so far that will form the core of our discussion on Monday. Very best. Lars Proposed Agenda CWG on country and territory names as TLDs is scheduled Monday 8 June 2015 at 19:00 UTC (other places: http://tinyurl.com/owutcdz) 1. Welcome 2. Review of Comments submitted 3. Proposed outreach to SO/ACs for 3-letter codes 4. Agenda for BA 5. AOB

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Next meeting
by Lars Hoffmann June 5, 2015

June 5, 2015

Dear all, Apologies for the late email, but due to a number of scheduling issues we will cancel next week¹s call. Instead we will resume our calls on Monday 8 June at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150608T19&p1=1440&ah=1> ). A detailed agenda will follow. This also means, that there will be more time for participants to send back their views on the 2-letter code options. I have attached all documents received so far. In time for the next meeting I will send out a collated document. Please note, if you send a document please feel free to post directly to the list, I will collate it from there. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars

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