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3 letter questionnaire
by Lars Hoffmann Aug. 13, 2015

Aug. 13, 2015

Dear all, As agreed, here is the questionnaire for 3-letter codes. Please remember that this is meant as a feedback gathering exercise. We are looking to get as much input from you and your respective SO/ACs or SG/Cs as possible to inform our debate on this important and tricky issue. The deadline for feedback is set for 3 September, feel free to submit any feedback to the list before that date as it will provide input for our next call(s). If you have any additional questions/comments, please reach out to either Bart or myself and/or raise them on the list. Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars

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Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Feedback sought and update on next meeting
by Annebeth Lange Aug. 7, 2015

Aug. 7, 2015

Dear all, As one of the three co-Chairs Paul is referring to I strongly support this line of action. For us to arrive at the best possible solution for these difficult issues we depend on the members from the different stakeholder groups taking interest in how country & territory names in all variations should be used as TLDs in the future. Please let us hear your opinion. Kind regards, Annebeth From: Paul Szyndler <paul.szyndler(a)auda.org.au<mailto:paul.szyndler@auda.org.au>> Date: Thursday 6 August 2015 14:31 To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann(a)icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>>, "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Feedback sought and update on next meeting Thank you Lars and hello all, I proposed the cancellation of Monday's call given that our single agenda item was the approval of changes to the Options Paper and the solicitation of comments on the proposed questionnaire. This does not mean that I (or my three co-Chairs) do not welcome feedback, comments and challenges to the proposals. Rather, I think both the edits and the draft questionnaire are self-explanatory, so it is far more appropriate for everyone to read through the documents at a time that is appropriate for them and send comments back when they are ready. In return for clearing an hour in your collective schedules, I would very much welcome your comments and feedback by the deadline proposed by Lars. Regards, Paul From: ctn-crosscom-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ctn-crosscom-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2015 9:47 PM To: ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org> Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Feedback sought and update on next meeting Importance: High Dear all, Following our last call, you find attached proposed wording on 2-character codes on pages 20-21 of the Options Paper (attached). The text is in red. You will also find a proposed questionnaire on 3-character codes. Please provide feedback on both documents at your earliest convenience - regarding the questionnaire, please do send your feedback no later than Monday 10 August COB! Note, that this feedback is just about whether you agree with the wording of the two documents. A deadline on actual replies to the questionnaire will be sent out once the wording is finalised. Finally, in agreement with the co-Chairs we are going to cancel Monday's call. We will meet next on 24 August 2015 at 20:00 UTC (local times<http://tinyurl.com/ovywzbc>). Best wishes, Lars

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Monday's call: Adobe Connect - Note Pod Content from CWG Country and Territory Names as TLDs
by Lars Hoffmann July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

Dear all, Please find the notes from Monday¹s call below. Best wishes. Lars From: Adobe Connect Notifications <admin(a)adobeconnect.com> Reply-To: Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel(a)icann.org> Date: Monday 27 July 2015 22:36 To: Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel(a)icann.org> Subject: Adobe Connect - Note Pod Content from CWG Country and Territory Names as TLDs CWG Country and Territory Names, Monday 27 July 2015, 20:00 UTC 1. Welcome Apologies and attendance noted 2. Re-cap of Buenos Aires 2.1 Progress Report 2.2. Exchange with GAC members 3. Two-letter codes 3.1 Reminder of existing policy 3.2 Rationale for possible future 2-letter code policy framework 4. Planning ahead 5. AOB Re-Cap BA meeting Options paper on two-letter codes + draft progress report. Discussion focused on two-letter codes. Based on survey discussion of ideas. Engagement with GAC. Annebeth. Olga Cavalli (GAC, chair of WG) provided opportunity to present work of CTN. Work CTN was made more visible for the GAC Olga Cavalli: Focus on IANA Transition, hence less time to focus on CTN. Goal to complement, and avoid overlap. GAC Wg is working on best practices, examples of succes stories. Action staff: engage chairs of chartering organisations to send out letter to chair of GAC Action Olga: Review of defintions pending Co-chair of the CTN preparing note for the chairs of the ccNSo and GNSO Councils to chair of GAC to encourage broader participation of the GAC. Olga: invited other members to particpate. Notes competing efforts within GAC Two-letter codes Key part of the discussion BA, using survey to members of the CTN Discuss closure of this topic. Allocation of two-letter codes in ICANN seting reserved ccTLDs. Procedure in place for long time, also is refelcted int he policy Benfits: - external party determining what is and what is not a country - takes into account dynamic nature / changes If there needs to be a change, there needs to be a very strongs case to change current policy fundamentals Heather Forrest: Undertood direction of discussion to head this way Point as co-chair from GNSO. At this stage position of co-chairs as individuals, does not reflect position of GNSO Adoption of a exisitng and external standard, and policy justification Not based on this is how we do it, or undertadning of public ( needs extensive research) As co-chair propose to move forward, will not foreclose discussion Action staff: Summarize position, based on understanding of the discussion. Staff summary to be included in progress reprot, after it is refiend by the group 3-letter codes Start with developement of survey as was done with two-letter codes. Survey to memebrs to initiate discussion. Survey could be shared withbroader community through members -> members reaching out to their own communities, Goal: make work CTN knwon, works Action: staff and co-chairs to draft survey and start progress report AOB No topics Closre of call at 20 .35 UTC

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 27 July 2015
by Terri Agnew July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 27 July 2015 at 20:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ctn-27jul15-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXz…> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO: Annebeth Lange, .no Jordi Iparraguirre, ccNSO Council NomCom appointee Paul Szyndler, .au (Co-Chair) Mirjana Tasic, .rs Grigori Saghyan, .am Laura Hutchison, .uk Mary Uduma, .ng Sanna Sahlman, .fi Jacqueline Morris, .tt GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC (co-Chair) Susan Payne, NTAG Maxim Alzoba, NTAG Colin O'Brien, IPC At-Large: Cheryl Langdon-Orr GAC: Olga Cavalli, Argentina ISO: Jaap Akkerhuis Other: Nigel Cassimire Apologies: Joke Braeken, .eu Ron Sherwood, .vi ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew **************** Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 27 July 2015: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the Cross Community Working Group on the Use of Country and Territory Names as top-level domains on Monday 27 July 2015, 20:00 UTC. Carlos Raul:Good mroning Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone Annebeth Lange:Good evening from Norway Mirjana Tasic .rs:Good evening from Serbia Bart Boswinkel:Hi all Jordi Iparraguirre:good evwning from Catalonia Nigel Cassimire:Good day, from Trinidad and Tobago. Heather Forrest:Good early morning from Tasmania Paul Szyndler:Good morning Bart Boswinkel:Hi all Mary Uduma:Hello All Carlos Raul:go ahead Paul please Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:hi lars can you dial out to me? +54 11 4819 7979 Annebeth Lange 2:Hi Olga Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:hi Annebeth Terri Agnew:@Olga, will have op dial out to you Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:ok thks Sanna Sahlman:Good evening from Finland Terri Agnew:Colin O'Brien has joined Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:hi im in the p´hone bridge now! Terri Agnew:Jacqueline Morris has joined Terri Agnew:Cheryl Langdon-Orr has joined audio Heather Forrest:Not so eloquent this early in the morning! Annebeth Lange 2:You are always eloquent, Heather. Very well explained. Heather Forrest:Agree with what Paul just said - this is where we are now, does not completely foreclose future debate Carlos Raul:good point Annebeth Lange 2:Agree Carlos Raul:agree Nigel Cassimire:Agree. Laura Hutchison:I agree also. Sorry for being late to join. Mirjana Tasic .rs:Agree Jacqueline:+1 Sanna Sahlman:Agree as well Mary Uduma:+1 Terri Agnew:Laura Hutchinson has joined Terri Agnew:**spelling Laura Hutchison Heather Forrest:No concerns - happy to support this path forward Jacqueline:It sounds good to me Nigel Cassimire:No objection Susan Payne:that sounds sensible Sanna Sahlman:Good plan! Jordi Iparraguirre:ok Colin O'Brien:+1 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):sounds ok Laura Hutchison:sounds like a sensible approach. Terri Agnew:Locating line Terri Agnew:as a reminder, please mute when not speaking Annebeth Lange 2:In my view, this is a sensible way to move forward. CLO:all good Heather Forrest:Agreed Heather Forrest:Yes it is! Annebeth Lange 2:And I can join my guest again! Sanna Sahlman:I'll goto sleep...zzzz... :) Carlos Raul:Prosst Annebeth Jacqueline:Very well done. Thanks Jordi Iparraguirre:thanks, sounds a nice path forward Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:thanks paul Mary Uduma:Thanks All and Bye Susan Payne:thanks Jacqueline:Goodbye. Colin O'Brien:Bye all. Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye! Bart Boswinkel:Bye all Mirjana Tasic .rs:bye jaap akkerhuis:Thanks you all Nigel Cassimire:Great! Thanks. Bye. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all CLO:bye Heather Forrest:Bye all - have a good day/night

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Proposed Agenda for tonight's call
by Lars Hoffmann July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

Dear all, Please find below the suggested agenda for today¹s call. Best wishes, Lars --- > > > > CWG Country and Territory Names, Monday 27 July 2015, 20.00 UTC local time > <http://tinyurl.com/pf7mvys> > > Proposed Agenda > > 1. Welcome > 2. Re-cap of Buenos Aires > 2.1 Progress Report > 2.2. Exchange with GAC members > 3. Two-letter codes > 3.1 Reminder of existing policy > 3.2 Rationale for possible future 2-letter code policy framework > 4. Planning ahead > 5. AOB

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Monday's meeting
by Lars Hoffmann July 10, 2015

July 10, 2015

Dear all, Due to the absence of most of our co-Chairs it was decided to cancel Monday¹s meeting. The next meeting will take place on 27 July and invitations will be sent out in due course. Very best wishes and have a good weekend! Lars

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Meetings post ICANN53
by Lars Hoffmann July 2, 2015

July 2, 2015

Dear all, I hope you had a pleasant and uneventful return to your respective homes. To allow for a well-deserved break I suggest the following dates for our calls until ICANN54: Monday 13 July at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150713T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 27 July at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150727T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 10 August at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150810T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 24 August at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150824T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 07 September at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150907T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Monday 21 September at 20:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20150921T20&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) October 05 October at 05:00 UTC (local times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Use+of+County+ and+Territory+Names&iso=20151005T05&p1=%3A&ah=1> ) Of course, we can make changes to these as needed/requested. Dial-in details and agenda items to follow Very best wishes, Lars

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Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper
by Annebeth Lange June 23, 2015

June 23, 2015

Dear Nigel, Thank you for your note and welcome to our Group. We are very happy that you are interested in our work and would like to thank you for your constructive feedback. We will certainly add these to our collections of views on the issue of 2-letter codes. We would very much encourage you - as well as any of your fellow GAC members - to continue following our discussion and contribute wherever possible. Please note that we are meeting every other week for our conference calls and very much hope we can welcome you on these in the future. Very best wishes, Annebeth B. Lange - on behalf of the co-chairs of the Cross Community WG on the use of Country & Territory Names Annebeth B. Lange Head of Legal and Policy UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 c NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange(a)uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobile: +47 959 11 559 Annebeth B. Lange Fagansvarlig jus og myndighetskontakt UNINETT Norid AS C. J. Hambros plass 2 C NO-0164 OSLO annebeth.lange(a)uninett.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@uninett.no> Mobil: + 47 95911559 From: Nigel Cassimire <nigel.cassimire(a)ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int>> Date: Monday 22 June 2015 18:41 To: "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper Thanks for the invitation to today's CWG meeting which I attended as an Observer member of the GAC and which enlightened my understanding of the work of the group. I think the options paper is an appropriate way to record and structure the principles, findings and recommendations of the group and I would like to submit a few comments I was not able to make today before time ran out. 1. I support the idea of including in the options paper certain guiding principles for formulating ultimate recommendations e.g. standards-based references for county or territory names. I also advocate making or keeping "sufficiently clear differentiation" as one of these principles. 2. Two letter codes at the TLD level are universally recognised as country codes and this should remain so, notwithstanding a few instances where they might have been used for purposes other than country identification e.g. .TV. To do otherwise would be to diminish the branding efforts of the great majority of ccTLDs, particularly ones with strong brands like .ca, .br and .mx to name a few. 3. Incumbency has its privileges. The 2-letter TLDs as country codes is a part of the Internet eco-system that is widely understood and functioning well. It is quite likely that commercial interests with 2-letter brands could find (and already have) commercially acceptable and distinctive alternatives to a 2-letter TLD. 4. In making policy it is wise to keep in mind the average Internet user who is not as well informed as persons involved in ICANN processes. Regards, Nigel Cassimire Telecommunications Specialist [CTU Logo Full Name] 4 Mary Street, St. Clair, Port of Spain,Trinidad and Tobago. Tel: (+1 868) 628-0281 ext. 235 |Fax: (+1 868) 622-6523 |E-mail:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int> Website: http://ctu.int<http://ctu.int/>

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Re: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper
by Annebeth Lange June 23, 2015

June 23, 2015

Dear Nigel, Thank you for your note and welcome to our Group. We are very happy that you are interested in our work and would like to thank you for your constructive feedback. We will certainly add these to our collections of views on the issue of 2-letter codes. We would very much encourage you - as well as any of your fellow GAC members - to continue following our discussion and contribute wherever possible. Please note that we are meeting every other week for our conference calls and very much hope we can welcome you on these in the future. Very best wishes, Annebeth Lange (co-chair in the crosscom on c & t names) From: Nigel Cassimire <nigel.cassimire(a)ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int>> Date: Monday 22 June 2015 18:41 To: "ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>" <ctn-crosscom(a)icann.org<mailto:ctn-crosscom@icann.org>> Subject: [Ctn-crosscom] Principles / Objectives for Options Paper Thanks for the invitation to today's CWG meeting which I attended as an Observer member of the GAC and which enlightened my understanding of the work of the group. I think the options paper is an appropriate way to record and structure the principles, findings and recommendations of the group and I would like to submit a few comments I was not able to make today before time ran out. 1. I support the idea of including in the options paper certain guiding principles for formulating ultimate recommendations e.g. standards-based references for county or territory names. I also advocate making or keeping "sufficiently clear differentiation" as one of these principles. 2. Two letter codes at the TLD level are universally recognised as country codes and this should remain so, notwithstanding a few instances where they might have been used for purposes other than country identification e.g. .TV. To do otherwise would be to diminish the branding efforts of the great majority of ccTLDs, particularly ones with strong brands like .ca, .br and .mx to name a few. 3. Incumbency has its privileges. The 2-letter TLDs as country codes is a part of the Internet eco-system that is widely understood and functioning well. It is quite likely that commercial interests with 2-letter brands could find (and already have) commercially acceptable and distinctive alternatives to a 2-letter TLD. 4. In making policy it is wise to keep in mind the average Internet user who is not as well informed as persons involved in ICANN processes. Regards, Nigel Cassimire Telecommunications Specialist [CTU Logo Full Name] 4 Mary Street, St. Clair, Port of Spain,Trinidad and Tobago. Tel: (+1 868) 628-0281 ext. 235 |Fax: (+1 868) 622-6523 |E-mail:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int> Website: http://ctu.int<http://ctu.int/>

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Principles / Objectives for Options Paper
by Nigel Cassimire June 22, 2015

June 22, 2015

Thanks for the invitation to today's CWG meeting which I attended as an Observer member of the GAC and which enlightened my understanding of the work of the group. I think the options paper is an appropriate way to record and structure the principles, findings and recommendations of the group and I would like to submit a few comments I was not able to make today before time ran out. 1. I support the idea of including in the options paper certain guiding principles for formulating ultimate recommendations e.g. standards-based references for county or territory names. I also advocate making or keeping "sufficiently clear differentiation" as one of these principles. 2. Two letter codes at the TLD level are universally recognised as country codes and this should remain so, notwithstanding a few instances where they might have been used for purposes other than country identification e.g. .TV. To do otherwise would be to diminish the branding efforts of the great majority of ccTLDs, particularly ones with strong brands like .ca, .br and .mx to name a few. 3. Incumbency has its privileges. The 2-letter TLDs as country codes is a part of the Internet eco-system that is widely understood and functioning well. It is quite likely that commercial interests with 2-letter brands could find (and already have) commercially acceptable and distinctive alternatives to a 2-letter TLD. 4. In making policy it is wise to keep in mind the average Internet user who is not as well informed as persons involved in ICANN processes. Regards, Nigel Cassimire Telecommunications Specialist [CTU Logo Full Name] 4 Mary Street, St. Clair, Port of Spain,Trinidad and Tobago. Tel: (+1 868) 628-0281 ext. 235 |Fax: (+1 868) 622-6523 |E-mail:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int<mailto:nigel.cassimire@ctu.int> Website: http://ctu.int<http://ctu.int/>

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