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FW: Option Paper - Grigori Saghyan
by Lars Hoffmann May 26, 2015

May 26, 2015

Dear all, Please find attached Grigori¹s response - I will compile this with any other submissions made for discussion during our upcoming call (details of which will be send out tomorrow morning UTC time). Very best wishes. Lars On 21/05/2015 10:38, "Grigori Saghyan" <gregor(a)arminco.com> wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA256 > >Dear Lars, >please find attached completed Option Paper. >With best regards, >Grigori Saghyan >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v2 > >iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVXZmTAAoJEBp2GIFI5NXciXEH/2JRIpHXJOw5scPdZYP3dIjq >Jezuu1NOAvTGu54F83iDwIdrdvuY7pan41uglp9O1lyMGl9Ie9MWImYrWZ/LkXWc >HQODp53PD5eppwgTm0+bkAYptIKkFEl+fNio0aTlsG+hD1G35eHrha8as1A+5ayz >/Av9nDDJSR02i+9pnaa2M66ix9cDIg1mf7uZykkqGRyDGunMWtYBLv0mL4dF9bwV >8Ow3tfe9jEr4S47Ec9ei+cxKiH4mjo8NVE1Cf+/JKkMrSCCjsbFnMe9MTL54EAkr >2Ta7WEFw9xF+dleHUAauOxtcg/0dDB7V5y9diDL2cJUvcSXAIEY8vK/8VP1b/fU= >=OMi5 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >

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Comparing 1 May and 15 may version Option Paper
by Bart Boswinkel May 19, 2015

May 19, 2015

Dear all, As promised at the call yesterday, please find included a comparison between the 1 May version and 15 may version of the Option Paper, Kind regards, Bart

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Scheduling - Please respond!
by Lars Hoffmann May 19, 2015

May 19, 2015

Dear all, Please take a moment to complete the doodle poll below to help determine the dates for our last (or last two) WG meetings before Buenos Aires. http://doodle.com/umz3kdix8fkzh3qs The poll closes: Wednesday 20 May 23:00 UTC. Many thanks Lars

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Updated version Option paper
by Bart Boswinkel May 16, 2015

May 16, 2015

Dear all, Please find included updated version of the Option paper ( version 15 May 2015). This version includes an update per the discussion on the previous call> Major changes: * Section 0 (purpose of option paper) has been expanded to clarify the goal of the paper, and explain the need for the introductionary sections. * Section 1 has been restructured, it now includes two suggested text frames: Frame 1, current practices for assigning two letter codes, and including entities into ISO 3166-1, this needs to be updated). Text frame 2 the current definition in AGB, the detailed description of the discussion on use of geographical names is now included in Annex B. This will need to be updated to reflect the discussions in 2009 and 2010 era use of country and territory names as gTLDs. * The drift of section 1 has changed as well, central them is the evolution of the use of geographical names, in particular country and territory names Kind regards, Bart

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 04 May 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine May 4, 2015

May 4, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 04 May 2015 at 11:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-review-04may15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>ay<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no (Co-Chair) Joke Braeken, .eu Mirjana Tasic, .rs Grigori Saghyan, .am Mary Uduma, ng GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr Jordi Iparraguirre ISO Jaap Akkerhuis GAC Olga Cavalli Brian Beckham – WIPO, GAC observer Tom Dale – GAC Secretariat Apologies: Sonigitu Ekpe, NCUC ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 04 May 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 4th May 2015 olga cavalli - GAC:helllo heather and nathalie Carlos Raul (GNSO):Good morning Nathalie Peregrine:Hello everyone, welcome! Heather Forrest:Hello Olga, Carlos, Nathalie Bart Boswinkel (staff):Hi All wil be dialing in in a minute Ron Sherwood:Hello everone Ron Sherwood:Good morning, Jaap olga cavalli - GAC:hi there is no audio is that ok? im on mute Heather Forrest:Olga - audio has started but we are waiting for others to join. If you have not heard anything up to now you might have an issue with the sound olga cavalli - GAC:i heard some voices but no audio now Heather Forrest:Hello everyone, thank you for joining today's meeting of the CWG. We will begin shortly - just waiting for Annebeth Lange, co-chair Nathalie Peregrine:@ Olga, did you hear people joining then? Nathalie Peregrine:Bart and Joke? Lars Hoffmann 2:@olga - would you like a dial out? olga cavalli - GAC:yes i did hear jaap but no audio now Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone. Do we have adobe audio? Nathalie Peregrine:@ olga, thanks for confirming Heather Forrest:Just to be clear - nobody is speaking right now but we will begin very shortly Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hello everyone olga cavalli - GAC:@lars in general adobe audio works better than telephone for me, lets see, if there are problems i will let you know and you call me Nathalie Peregrine:Jordi Iparraguirre has jojned the call Lars Hoffmann 2:@olga - sounds good. thanks olga Nathalie Peregrine:Grigori Saghyan is also on olga cavalli - GAC:hola jordi, Nathalie Peregrine: @ all, disturbance is coming from an AC mic, so please be sure to mute your mic (white arrow to the right of the mic icon at the top of the toolbar) Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth has joined the call Annebeth Lange, Norid:Sorry to be late, had some problems with the connection Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Heather seem to have her micofoon volume to high, causing distortion Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):This seems better Nathalie Peregrine:@ Jaap, Heather is connected via the phone, not the AC mic, I'm listening on both the bridge nd the AC room and hear no distortion, please join the audio bridge to improve the audio on your end. Bart Boswinkel (staff):24 April version Bart Boswinkel (staff):from Heather olga cavalli - GAC:@ lars i hear nothing please dial out to me 541148262530 Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Audio is better Nathalie Peregrine:@ Olga, we're dialing out to you now Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):I have a problem with quite some changes Heather Forrest:Jaap, please speak after Bart olga cavalli - GAC:i hear now thanks Annebeth Lange, Norid:Bart, I certainly agree with your comments Nathalie Peregrine:Cheryl Langdon-Orr has joined the audio bridge olga cavalli - GAC:@lars are there minutes of the meeting once finished? Lars Hoffmann 2:@olga - there is a recording and the MP3 Lars Hoffmann 2:yes - either you can send me edits - or you can edit with track changes and send me that version, i will then merge versions. Heather Forrest:Thank you Lars Heather Forrest:Thank you Lars Annebeth Lange, Norid:Bart, that would be very useful. Heather Forrest:Annebeth - we can't hear you Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth, you have not activated your AC mic Annebeth Lange, Norid:I am not on mute Nathalie Peregrine:please click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC toolbar Annebeth Lange, Norid:I am here, but you cannot hear me Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the audio bridge, you need to click on the telephne icon to activate your mic. Or please provide your nr and we will dial out to you Carlos Raul (GNSO):now Heather Forrest:Lars could we please scroll to definitions section Carlos Raul (GNSO):we may want ot move the main defintions to an annex Carlos Raul (GNSO):the "geographic" definitions Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):For a srange definiton, see page 15 Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):(I was slow as well finding the raise hand book) Carlos Raul (GNSO):We are talking about ICANN today Annebeth Lange, Norid:Our mandate goes beyond codes, as I see it, but country & territories originated from the codes in the ISO list. Carlos Raul (GNSO):we dont need to cover all, but certainly we have advanced BEYOND ISO in real life Carlos Raul (GNSO):agree with Annebeth Annebeth Lange, Norid:What we are discussing is the use of country & territory names (originated from the ISO list) used as TLDs. Annebeth Lange, Norid:The AGB excluded c & t names in different versions from this round. So what will happen with these names in the future? My understanding is that our mandate is to try to make it easier to find out what to do in the future. Heather Forrest:I agree, Annebeth Nathalie Peregrine:Mary Uduma has joined the AC room Carlos Raul (GNSO):Annabeth, on the other hand the AGB, allthough prtecting country names, it did expand on geography.... Mary Uduma:Hello All, was in Argentina Embassy for visa application. I am very sorry for joining the call late Carlos Raul (GNSO):and thats what we have to deal with Annebeth Lange, Norid:Yes, Carlos, but we only deal with what is excluded as c & t names. Not all other geographical names that actually were allowed, even if some of them needed support or non-objection. Carlos Raul (GNSO):exatly, thats what i mean by boundaries and we have to make clear that we are on a narrower track (WIPO definition maybe) than the AGB, by recognizing the differences on both definitions Annebeth Lange, Norid:In my view the WIPO definition is not wide enough Annebeth Lange, Norid:Carlos, only AGB Module 2, 2.2.1.4.1 Treatment of Country or Territory Names Nathalie Peregrine:Marketa has joined the AC room Carlos Raul (GNSO):lets expand it then Annebeth Lange, Norid:I think the confusion is that in the definition in the position paper it says Section 2.2.4.1 - not 2.2.4.1.1 Annebeth Lange, Norid:It is only 2.2.4.1.1 that should be included in our mandate and definition Heather Forrest:Annebeth - I see your hand, please speak after Olga Heather Forrest:Quite right Annebeth Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Good Call thanks everyoine Bye for now Carlos Raul (GNSO):6am in Costa Rica now Carlos Raul (GNSO):dont know if I cna go to bed again Cheryl Langdon-Orr:reasonable time all round :) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID) 2:3pm , but public holidays in Moscow Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye talk in 14 days then... Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye Jordi Iparraguirre:thank you. bye olga cavalli - GAC: thanks! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID) 2:thanks Everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you everyone Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Bye Bye. Mary Uduma:Bye All Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie, Bart, Lars Nathalie Peregrine:Good nifght Heather!

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Invitation to GAC
by Heather Forrest May 4, 2015

May 4, 2015

Dear Lars, In sending the details for our upcoming call on Monday, please could you include a reminder welcome to the GAC, making it clear that we invite not only GAC leadership but all interested GAC members. I understand from the recent email exchanges that Olga plans to participate; it would be helpful to have more GAC members on the call to hear the broadest possible range of views within the GAC. Many thanks and best wishes, Heather

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Monday's agenda
by Lars Hoffmann May 1, 2015

May 1, 2015

Dear all, Please find below the agenda for Monday’s meeting. Please note the change in time – the meeting will be at 11:00 UTC. Attached you find the latest version of the Options Paper. Many thanks and best wishes. Lars CWG Country and Territory Names, Monday 04 May, 11.00 UTC (other times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150504T11&p1=1440&ah=1> ). 1 WelcomeReview of latest version of Options Paper 2. Overview of Discussion so far 3. Review of latest version of Options Paper 3.1 Continuation of Substantial Discussion on Definitions 3.2 Continuation of Substantial Discussion on two-letter strings (Section 2 of Options Paper) 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB

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Updated Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 20 April 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine April 24, 2015

April 24, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 20 April 2015 at 06:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-20apr15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>apr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no Laura Hutchison, .uk Joke Braeken, .eu Mirjana Tasic, .rs GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Susan Payne, IPC ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 20 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 20 April 2015 Lars Hoffmann:Good morning all. Ron Sherwood:Good (very early) morning everyone Heather Forrest:Hello Ron and Joke, thank you for joining us. Heather Forrest:Sorry for the early hour, Ron - apparently there are big goings on in Costa Rica today involving Fadi and we tried to steer clear of overlapping with those activities Ron Sherwood:I do understand... zzzzzz! Heather Forrest:Welcome, Bart! Bart Boswinkel:Helloe everyone Heather Forrest:Thank you all for your timeliness - we'll wait 1 or 2 minutes to start to have another co-chair on the call Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Heather Forrest:Welcome, Maxim - thank you for joining the call today Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have adobe audio? Heather Forrest:I believe so but will let Nathalie confirm Nathalie Peregrine:Yes Maxim Nathalie Peregrine:I see you have activated your mic Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio test positive Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi all Bart Boswinkel:I am the call, but there is a lot of echo Bart Boswinkel:Both you an dLars Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no echo for me via AC atm Bart Boswinkel:resolved Ron Sherwood:No echo here on AC Carlos Raul:sorry Carlos Raul:here I Am Heather Forrest:great, carlos - thanks! Heather Forrest:We are just now getting started Carlos Raul:you go Heather pls Heather Forrest:ok Cheryl Langdon-Orr:scroll control?? Nathalie Peregrine:enabled Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth lange has joined the call Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am all OK with the BG part of the doc subject to the mnor edits and some format issues ( e.g. bottom of page 6) Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the Audio bridge, not has emabled her mic in the AC room Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Note Deffinittion is an orphanws from the table in my view of the doc... needs a page return pre that word... Heather Forrest:Noted, thanks Cheryl Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):refernece to 6 on 6th page needs URL to the previous document Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the net, and with the sound Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Bart a commin issue with readers of our previous docs../ is to bring in 'Common Use' terms (geo I admot) as "Territory" when we mean the LISTED ones... Annebeth Lange:I don´t think you hear me Cheryl Langdon-Orr:No we don't Annabeth Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm OK with the several terms used in the deffinitions lstr as Heather proposes and A BIG supporter of the Capitals for Deffined Terms use ;-) Annebeth Lange:Can you call me on 0047 959 11 559 Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the sound Annebeth Lange:So do you mean that the territories in the ISO list should be taken out, Heather and Carlos? Heather Forrest:Not quite, Annebeth - that we have 3 separate definitions Heather Forrest:1. Country names, 2. Territory names, 3. Country and territory names Carlos Raul:only in the third one we refer to the ISO list Heather Forrest:Understood, Bart - there are political issues here Annebeth Lange:It is not us deciding what is countries. When UN decide a new country, that will be on the ISO list Annebeth Lange:So I agree, this is politics Joke Braeken:I agree Annebeth Annebeth Lange:And we must remember that our WG is working with c & t names as TLDs, not only as gTLDs Joke Braeken:exactly Carlos Raul:I agree Annebeth, and we should treat them chronologically Carlos Raul:1st cctlds Carlos Raul:and then, get into the gTLD workd Carlos Raul:world Heather Forrest:quite right, Bart- the terminology has always been an issue here Annebeth Lange:So what then, do you mean with countries in your suggested list 1? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agreement from me on that Bart :-) Annebeth Lange:I agree strongly with Bart. RFC 1591 is the starting point. Annebeth Lange:No, it does not seem to work. COuld someone call me on 004795911559? Nathalie Peregrine:of course! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it is important to stick to established facts ... thus term geopolitical might be better to ommit Annebeth Lange:Carlos, yes, but it is the starting point for the countries and territories. The names of the countries and territories have gotten their code FROM their name Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is now on te audio bidge Heather Forrest:Thank you Nathalia Heather Forrest:Nathalie.... Nathalie Peregrine::) Nathalie Peregrine:Jaap Akkerhuis has joined the call Heather Forrest:Carlos - old hand or new hand? jaap akkehuis:Apologies for being late Heather Forrest:got it Heather Forrest:Welcome, Jaap. Thank you for joining us Carlos Raul:old hand Carlos Raul:sorry jaap akkehuis:The ISO standard has a definition what a country and territory is Carlos Raul:agree Carlos Raul:country and terrotyt according to ISO Carlos Raul:no regions Carlos Raul:Olga is here in Costa rica... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in 3166 'areas of geographical interest' and do we use 'areas of particular geopolitical interest' Carlos Raul:but busy with other stuff Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):? Carlos Raul:I just saw her Nathalie Peregrine:Mirjana Tasic has joined the call Heather Forrest:Welcome Mirjana Carlos Raul:2 or 3 letter Mirjana Tasic:Heloo, I am soryy I am late Heather Forrest:Lost me? Heather Forrest:Mute! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):geopolitical is fine since it is used by ISO Annebeth Lange:And when new countries are created, they will get a new 2-letter code Carlos Raul:introspection by Heather Carlos Raul:talking so herself Annebeth Lange:And a 3-letter code, and a 4-letter code Carlos Raul:2, 3 and 4 letter representation Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:And in my view, Carlos, they kind of identify the countries Annebeth Lange:I do not think new territories will be established - that is historical, probably Carlos Raul:iprefer the langugae of the ccNS Carlos Raul:O paper Carlos Raul:the codes REPRESENT country names Annebeth Lange:THat is OK, Carlos, as long as we agree Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather Carlos Raul:we agree Heather Forrest:Carlos - would you suggest we discuss this under the heading 'two letter strings'? Heather Forrest:Instead of 'two-letter codes'? Annebeth Lange:As we have talked about earlier, we have had .com from the start. I do not think Jon Postel then took the Comores 3-letter code. In the beginning it was clear that this meant COMMERCIAL, and because of that, no confusion Carlos Raul:in the ptions Carlos Raul:options Annebeth Lange:The problems giving away the 2-letter codes not assigned, is that we then makes it impossible for new countries to have "THEIR" 2-letter code Annebeth Lange:I think we clearly should deal with that in the options paper Annebeth Lange:I agree, Carlos Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:I understand, Heather, where we discuss the different solutions jaap akkehuis:When you start to talk about using non assigned codes one should really make a difference between top level domains amd further down the tree Carlos Raul:we are cler Annebeth Lange:I agree with Jaap Annebeth Lange:If Jaap, you mean that those not assigned could be "free". Annebeth Lange:That is OK, Heater, as long as it is covered Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have wording for the situation of "new ISO code created ' and gTLD is already in use? Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather jaap akkehuis:That is why one to make the difference between TLDs and below. Heather Forrest:I would assume that any of our recommendations as a CWG are conditioned on the current use of ccTLDs with a recommendation that this be reviewed at a future point if codes are used differently Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):with 4 letters ... it is not that simple ... how to estimate demand for new subdivisions ... country want additional detalization for some reasons ... totally unpredictable ... potentially blocks all 4 letters Heather Forrest:We are not in a position to guess at future ccTLD policy Heather Forrest:Whether something is confusing depends on its use - very difficult to pre-determine the outcome Bart Boswinkel:What makes it difficult are the IDNs Laura Hutchison:I would suggest that a precedent has already been set with countries using 2 letter codes as ccTLDs. This is understood by the end user. If we set up provisions/ protections for countries to use 3 or 4 letter codes then firstly this would create confusion for the end user as some 3 letter codes are ccTLs and others are gTLDs; and secondly, it makes for a very restrictive system that allows ccTLDs a "bigger slice of the pie" as Annebeth just said. Carlos Raul:of course Annebeth, and we should be cleqr on that Carlos Raul:excellent Annebeth Lange:Thanks, Laura, I am happy that I am not the only one having understood it this way Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we refer to historical reasons to protect all 2 letters Carlos Raul:I agree with Maxim Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and only of existing 3 and 4 letters? Bart Boswinkel:No none Carlos Raul:but only the assinged ones Carlos Raul:all happy Annebeth Lange:Maxim, there is also political reasons to protect here Bart Boswinkel:Yes I am Annebeth Lange:Fine Carlos Raul:Hope I can go back to sleep.....good nite. Next time at 3pm my time please Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks Everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you all Bart Boswinkel:Bye all Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye everyone Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone - great progress Mirjana Tasic:Bye jaap akkehuis:By everymone, agan apologoes Nathalie Peregrine:thank you! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much for all your support, Nathalie, Bart, Lars

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Attendance MP3 CTN meeting - Monday 20 April 2015
by Nathalie Peregrine April 20, 2015

April 20, 2015

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Cross-Community Working Group on Use of Country/Territory Names as TLDs meeting held on Monday 20 April 2015 at 06:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ccwg-unct-20apr15-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan><http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>apr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: ccNSO Ron Sherwood, .vi Annebeth Lange, .no Laura Hutchison, .uk Joke Braeken, .eu GNSO Heather Forrest, IPC (Co-Chair) Carlos Raul Guttierez, NPOC Maxim Alzoba, NTAG At-Large Cheryl Langdon-Orr ISO Jaap Akkerhuis Apologies: Susan Payne, IPC ICANN staff: Bart Boswinkel Lars Hoffman Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ctn-crosscom/ Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/X7XhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 20 April 2015: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the CCWG on Use of Country/ Territory Names as TLDs on the 20 April 2015 Lars Hoffmann:Good morning all. Ron Sherwood:Good (very early) morning everyone Heather Forrest:Hello Ron and Joke, thank you for joining us. Heather Forrest:Sorry for the early hour, Ron - apparently there are big goings on in Costa Rica today involving Fadi and we tried to steer clear of overlapping with those activities Ron Sherwood:I do understand... zzzzzz! Heather Forrest:Welcome, Bart! Bart Boswinkel:Helloe everyone Heather Forrest:Thank you all for your timeliness - we'll wait 1 or 2 minutes to start to have another co-chair on the call Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everybody Heather Forrest:Welcome, Maxim - thank you for joining the call today Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we have adobe audio? Heather Forrest:I believe so but will let Nathalie confirm Nathalie Peregrine:Yes Maxim Nathalie Peregrine:I see you have activated your mic Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):audio test positive Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hi all Bart Boswinkel:I am the call, but there is a lot of echo Bart Boswinkel:Both you an dLars Cheryl Langdon-Orr:no echo for me via AC atm Bart Boswinkel:resolved Ron Sherwood:No echo here on AC Carlos Raul:sorry Carlos Raul:here I Am Heather Forrest:great, carlos - thanks! Heather Forrest:We are just now getting started Carlos Raul:you go Heather pls Heather Forrest:ok Cheryl Langdon-Orr:scroll control?? Nathalie Peregrine:enabled Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thx Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth lange has joined the call Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I am all OK with the BG part of the doc subject to the mnor edits and some format issues ( e.g. bottom of page 6) Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is not on the Audio bridge, not has emabled her mic in the AC room Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Note Deffinittion is an orphanws from the table in my view of the doc... needs a page return pre that word... Heather Forrest:Noted, thanks Cheryl Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):refernece to 6 on 6th page needs URL to the previous document Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the net, and with the sound Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Exactly Bart a commin issue with readers of our previous docs../ is to bring in 'Common Use' terms (geo I admot) as "Territory" when we mean the LISTED ones... Annebeth Lange:I don´t think you hear me Cheryl Langdon-Orr:No we don't Annabeth Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm OK with the several terms used in the deffinitions lstr as Heather proposes and A BIG supporter of the Capitals for Deffined Terms use ;-) Annebeth Lange:Can you call me on 0047 959 11 559 Annebeth Lange:I have problems with the sound Annebeth Lange:So do you mean that the territories in the ISO list should be taken out, Heather and Carlos? Heather Forrest:Not quite, Annebeth - that we have 3 separate definitions Heather Forrest:1. Country names, 2. Territory names, 3. Country and territory names Carlos Raul:only in the third one we refer to the ISO list Heather Forrest:Understood, Bart - there are political issues here Annebeth Lange:It is not us deciding what is countries. When UN decide a new country, that will be on the ISO list Annebeth Lange:So I agree, this is politics Joke Braeken:I agree Annebeth Annebeth Lange:And we must remember that our WG is working with c & t names as TLDs, not only as gTLDs Joke Braeken:exactly Carlos Raul:I agree Annebeth, and we should treat them chronologically Carlos Raul:1st cctlds Carlos Raul:and then, get into the gTLD workd Carlos Raul:world Heather Forrest:quite right, Bart- the terminology has always been an issue here Annebeth Lange:So what then, do you mean with countries in your suggested list 1? Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Agreement from me on that Bart :-) Annebeth Lange:I agree strongly with Bart. RFC 1591 is the starting point. Annebeth Lange:No, it does not seem to work. COuld someone call me on 004795911559? Nathalie Peregrine:of course! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much Nathalie Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it is important to stick to established facts ... thus term geopolitical might be better to ommit Annebeth Lange:Carlos, yes, but it is the starting point for the countries and territories. The names of the countries and territories have gotten their code FROM their name Nathalie Peregrine:Annebeth is now on te audio bidge Heather Forrest:Thank you Nathalia Heather Forrest:Nathalie.... Nathalie Peregrine::) Nathalie Peregrine:Jaap Akkerhuis has joined the call Heather Forrest:Carlos - old hand or new hand? jaap akkehuis:Apologies for being late Heather Forrest:got it Heather Forrest:Welcome, Jaap. Thank you for joining us Carlos Raul:old hand Carlos Raul:sorry jaap akkehuis:The ISO standard has a definition what a country and territory is Carlos Raul:agree Carlos Raul:country and terrotyt according to ISO Carlos Raul:no regions Carlos Raul:Olga is here in Costa rica... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in 3166 'areas of geographical interest' and do we use 'areas of particular geopolitical interest' Carlos Raul:but busy with other stuff Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):? Carlos Raul:I just saw her Nathalie Peregrine:Mirjana Tasic has joined the call Heather Forrest:Welcome Mirjana Carlos Raul:2 or 3 letter Mirjana Tasic:Heloo, I am soryy I am late Heather Forrest:Lost me? Heather Forrest:Mute! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):geopolitical is fine since it is used by ISO Annebeth Lange:And when new countries are created, they will get a new 2-letter code Carlos Raul:introspection by Heather Carlos Raul:talking so herself Annebeth Lange:And a 3-letter code, and a 4-letter code Carlos Raul:2, 3 and 4 letter representation Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:And in my view, Carlos, they kind of identify the countries Annebeth Lange:I do not think new territories will be established - that is historical, probably Carlos Raul:iprefer the langugae of the ccNS Carlos Raul:O paper Carlos Raul:the codes REPRESENT country names Annebeth Lange:THat is OK, Carlos, as long as we agree Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather Carlos Raul:we agree Heather Forrest:Carlos - would you suggest we discuss this under the heading 'two letter strings'? Heather Forrest:Instead of 'two-letter codes'? Annebeth Lange:As we have talked about earlier, we have had .com from the start. I do not think Jon Postel then took the Comores 3-letter code. In the beginning it was clear that this meant COMMERCIAL, and because of that, no confusion Carlos Raul:in the ptions Carlos Raul:options Annebeth Lange:The problems giving away the 2-letter codes not assigned, is that we then makes it impossible for new countries to have "THEIR" 2-letter code Annebeth Lange:I think we clearly should deal with that in the options paper Annebeth Lange:I agree, Carlos Carlos Raul:right Annebeth Lange:I understand, Heather, where we discuss the different solutions jaap akkehuis:When you start to talk about using non assigned codes one should really make a difference between top level domains amd further down the tree Carlos Raul:we are cler Annebeth Lange:I agree with Jaap Annebeth Lange:If Jaap, you mean that those not assigned could be "free". Annebeth Lange:That is OK, Heater, as long as it is covered Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have wording for the situation of "new ISO code created ' and gTLD is already in use? Annebeth Lange:I agree, Heather jaap akkehuis:That is why one to make the difference between TLDs and below. Heather Forrest:I would assume that any of our recommendations as a CWG are conditioned on the current use of ccTLDs with a recommendation that this be reviewed at a future point if codes are used differently Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):with 4 letters ... it is not that simple ... how to estimate demand for new subdivisions ... country want additional detalization for some reasons ... totally unpredictable ... potentially blocks all 4 letters Heather Forrest:We are not in a position to guess at future ccTLD policy Heather Forrest:Whether something is confusing depends on its use - very difficult to pre-determine the outcome Bart Boswinkel:What makes it difficult are the IDNs Laura Hutchison:I would suggest that a precedent has already been set with countries using 2 letter codes as ccTLDs. This is understood by the end user. If we set up provisions/ protections for countries to use 3 or 4 letter codes then firstly this would create confusion for the end user as some 3 letter codes are ccTLs and others are gTLDs; and secondly, it makes for a very restrictive system that allows ccTLDs a "bigger slice of the pie" as Annebeth just said. Carlos Raul:of course Annebeth, and we should be cleqr on that Carlos Raul:excellent Annebeth Lange:Thanks, Laura, I am happy that I am not the only one having understood it this way Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we refer to historical reasons to protect all 2 letters Carlos Raul:I agree with Maxim Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and only of existing 3 and 4 letters? Bart Boswinkel:No none Carlos Raul:but only the assinged ones Carlos Raul:all happy Annebeth Lange:Maxim, there is also political reasons to protect here Bart Boswinkel:Yes I am Annebeth Lange:Fine Carlos Raul:Hope I can go back to sleep.....good nite. Next time at 3pm my time please Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks Everyone Ron Sherwood:Thank you all Bart Boswinkel:Bye all Laura Hutchison:Thanks. Bye everyone Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone - great progress Mirjana Tasic:Bye jaap akkehuis:By everymone, agan apologoes Nathalie Peregrine:thank you! Heather Forrest:Thanks very much for all your support, Nathalie, Bart, Lars

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Monday's agenda
by Lars Hoffmann April 17, 2015

April 17, 2015

Dear all, Please find below the draft agenda for Monday¹s call. Also attached is the Options Paper we will focus on the definitions section as well as the 2-letter codes. Have a good weekend and see you Monday. Very best wishes, Lars Draft Agenda CWG Country and Territory Names Monday 20 April, 06.00 UTC (other times <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CWG+Country+and+Te rritory+Names+-+WG+Call&iso=20150420T06&p1=1440&ah=1> ). 1. Welcome 2. Continuation of Substantial on Definitions 3. Continuation of Substantial Discussion on two-letter strings (Section 2 of Options Paper) 4. Confirmation of Next Meeting 5. AOB

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