December 2014 - Gac-gnso-cg

Notes & action items from the last meeting
by Marika Konings Dec. 17, 2014

Dec. 17, 2014

Dear All, Please find below the notes and action items from yesterday's GAC-GNSO Consultation Group meeting. The next meeting has been scheduled for 6 January 2014 at 14.00 UTC. Best regards, Marika Notes 16 December 2014: 1. GAC Early Engagement in new PDPs: * Review of Issue Scoping Gac Quick Look Mechanism document (see attached) * Discuss which, if any, questions should be called out for further discussion by GNSO and GAC in Singapore * Consider using highlighted areas in the form of questions to respective groups * How to best present it to avoid information overload as not everyone will have been privy to the detailed conversations? * Consider selecting a test case in which this could be used. * Consider making the joint GNSO-GAC meeting in Singapore a working session to encourage debate * GAC CG members to review proposed timelines and comment on whether these are reasonable or whether a F2F meeting would be required to take a decision on recommendation of Quick Look Mechanism Committee - also a question to be put forward to the whole GAC in Singapore. * Some noted that as it merely concerns flagging, it may be possible to do this intercessionally. * Flagging at Preliminary Issue Report stage will allow the GAC to organize and prepare as deemed appropriate to provide substantive input to the PDP WG at a later stage of the processs. * Possible question could be: would a 20 day timeframe be sufficient for a quick look mechanism. * Consider whether there are other variations of current options a, b and c? * Consider adding questions to each row intended for GAC-GNSO input * Make sure that everyone understands that this is the beginning of the beginning - early engagement as a first step of a longer process of engagement in the PDP. Add step after 11 to make clear that this is just the end of the initial phase (issue scoping). 2. GAC-GNSO dialogue on ongoing topics o Any updates or requirements regarding the IGO/INGO ongoing coordination? * IGO coalition is engaging with NGPC as well as reviewing questions submitted by the GNSO IGO-INGO Curative Rights PDP WG o Do we need to develop a general proposal for this work track? * Charter highlights deliverables in relation to this area * Consider whether a flow chart or table should be developed for this area. Marika to work with Mason on a draft for the next meeting. Next meeting is scheduled for 6 January 2015 at 14.00 UTC.

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MP3 recording GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference Tuesday 16 December 2014 1400 UTC
by Glen de Saint Géry Dec. 16, 2014

Dec. 16, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference held on Tuesday 16 December 2014 at 1400 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-20141216-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-20141216-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, 6 January 2015 at 14:00 UTC. The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Government Advisory Committee Manal Ismail co-chair Egypt Suzanne Radell, US GNSO Council Brian Winterfeldt, Councilor David Cake, Vice Chair Avri Doria, Councillor GNSO Liaison to the GAC: Mason Cole Apology: Amr Elsadr, Councilor Jonathan Robinson, Chair ICANN Staff: Marika Konings Olof Nordling Glen de Saint Gery Karine Perset Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Public archives of the mailing list can be found at: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/ Thank you. Kind regards, Glen Adobe Chat transcript Marika Konings:Welcome to the GAC-GNSO CG meeting of 16 December 2014 Karine Perset:Hello! Manal Ismail:Hello can you hear me speaking .. Karine Perset:I can hear some clicking... Karine Perset:yes, can hear you Marika Konings:I can hear you Glen, but am not on the line yet Marika Konings:dialing in now Manal Ismail:I have a problem connecting my audio .. Manal Ismail:I only get one option which is to connect through a phone line .. Glen de Saint Gery:There should be another option Manal Ismail:yes normally there is but for some reason it doesn't show this time .. Manal Ismail:will try to dial in for the sake of time .. Suzanne Radell:If we put a hand up, does the Adobe audio kick in? Suzanne Radell:Hi everyone Marika Konings:That is stragne as it does show for me when I try. Maybe you can try to log in to AC again? Marika Konings:@Suzanne - you need to connect your audio by clicking the phone at the top of the screen and select 'connect my audio' Glen de Saint Gery:manal please send me your number and I will dial out to you Marika Konings:and then select 'use my computer' Suzanne Radell:Thank you, Marika; I didn't get the second option but happy to test it out once I need to chime in. Marika Konings:I see that I have the option to enable microphones, maybe that is needed for you to get the second option? Avri Doria:can microphone suppport be activated? Avri Doria:thanks Suzanne Radell:I do appear to have micro rights now, so thanks again. Marika Konings:@Suzanne -maybe the GAC-GNSO could agree to use this mechanism as a test case for the first Issue Report after Singapore? Marika Konings:@All - please mute your microphones / speakers when not speakiing Marika Konings:@Suzanne - I've muted your mic as it seemed to cause the interference Suzanne Radell:That sounds like a good idea, and I also agree with Manal to structure the exchange as a working session. Suzanne Radell:Brian, that is agood question and one we need to put to the GAC in Singapore. Suzanne Radell:Perhaps the question could be whether, with a "quick look" mechanism, a 20 day timeframe would be sufficient? Brian Winterfeldt:+1 Suzanne - that really is the question. Suzanne Radell:Good suggestion, Manal. Suzanne Radell:My mike is muted Marika Konings:@Suzanne - do you have an estimated timeframe for that process? Marika Konings:meaning responses to the questions from the GNSO PDP WG Suzanne Radell:I wish I had a firm date, but I do hope to wrap up the GAC-NGPC situation by the end of this week or beginning of next week. And then I can turn to the GNSO PDP WG questions. Marika Konings:Thanks Brian Winterfeldt:Happy Holidays all. Suzanne Radell:Thank you, Manal, and happy holidays to all! Karine Perset:Happy Holidays! Brian Winterfeldt:Thank you Manal. Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org

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Agenda for Tues. Dec. 16th cc ..
by Manal Ismail Dec. 15, 2014

Dec. 15, 2014

Dear All .. Here is the suggested agenda for tomorrow's, Tues. Dec. 16th , call: 1. GAC Early engagement in new PDPs, attached: o Issue Scoping and Quick Look Mechanism Annotated Cover (focus of this call's discussion) o Issue Scoping and Quick Look Mechanism Flow Chart (discussed last call) o ccNSO Triage Template (circulated as per members' request) o ccNSO Prioritization Process Flow (circulated as per members' request) 2. GAC-GNSO dialogue on ongoing topics o Any updates or requirements regarding the IGO/INGO ongoing coordination? o Do we need to develop a general proposal for this work track? 3. AoB Kind Regards --Manal

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Notes from today's meeting and information concerning ccNSO triage
by Marika Konings Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

Dear All, Please find below the notes and action items from today's GAC-GNSO Consultation Group meeting. As requested, you'll find attached the ccNSO triage template as well as process flow. Note that you can find the decisions based on the triage committee's recommendations here: http://ccnso.icann.org/about/council/decisions.htm. The next meeting has been scheduled for Tuesday 16 December at 14.00 UTC. Note that following that, meetings will be scheduled for Tuesday 6 January, 20 January and 3 February. Best regards, Marika Notes 02 December 2014: GAC Counterpart to the GNSO Liaison * Suzanne Radell to serve as the counterpoint / contact point for the GNSO liaison to the GAC * IGO/INGO Curative Rights to serve as a test case for GNSO-GAC collaboration / engagement GAC Early engagement in new PDPs * Review of flow chart * Would it be possible for the GAC to review preliminary Issue Report and provide substantive input within the timeframe of the public comment forum? Public comment forum typically runs for 21 + 21 days - although if no input is received or known to be forthcoming, it may close as well after 21 days. Would a F2F meeting be needed by the GAC to provide such substantive input in order to discuss and approve? * Relationship between triage and quick look - quick look mechanism can be used by triage committee as one of the options to deal with a request * Prepare a set of key questions derived from the flow chart that CG may take back to their respective groups * Could quick look mechanism be used by the GAC intersessionally or does it require a F2F meeting? * Are there triggers on the GNSO side that we could agree to - if the GNSO knows up front that there is a connection to national law or international law that GAC needs to be involved? Some of this information may be provided as part of the request for an Issue Report. * Quick look mechanism serves dual purpose - first of all puts GNSO on notice that GAC input is forthcoming while on the other hand it allows the GAC to commence preparation of substantive input * Trial period to use this mechanism following a review which may result in modifications as needed * Triage is for the GAC to consider although CG could include it as a suggestion looking at the ccNSO model * Send further information on ccNSO triage to CG * Could GAC input also be considered as part of the charter drafting input? If there is a DT to develop a charter, a member of the QL commitee could be invited to participate or input could be provided by the GNSO liaison to the GAC? * What are the implications of red, orange, green flags and what actions would need to be taken by GAC / GNSO? Expand on that in proposal. * Update flow chart based on points made and provide annotation / covering note that explains in further detail what the proposal is and how it is expected to be implementated. Include questions that need to be addressed and based on that input make further refinements and implement. * Provide information as well on how it would have looked like in previous PDPs - 'this is how it is meant to work in practice' GAC-GNSO dialogue on ongoing topics * Mason to send questions from PDP WG to Suzanna and Mark today - should also be sent to Thomas and loop in NGPC. Take into account that there are two different sets of considerations, even if subject is related (curative rights PDP and propection of IGO/INGO identifiers) * Not necessarily test case as PDP is already underway (so not early engagement) Next Meeting * Meetings confirmed for 3 February, 20 January, 6 January and 16 December. * Confirm closer to the date whether meeting on 3 February will be necessary. * Consider scheduling meeting around lunch time to encourage participation. Possibly on Sunday as part of the GNSO Working Session or alternatively on Monday.

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MP3 recording GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference Tuesday 02 December 2014 1400 UTC
by Nathalie Peregrine Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference held on Tuesday 02 December 2014 at 1400 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-20141202-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Government Advisory Committee Manal Ismail - co-chair - Egypt Suzanne Radell, US GNSO Council Brian Winterfeldt, Councilor Amr Elsadr, Councilor Brian Winterfeldt, Councilor Jonathan Robinson, Chair Carlos Raul Gutierrez, Councilor GNSO Liaison to the GAC: Mason Cole Apology: Avri Doria, Councillor Ana Neves, Portugal Mark Carvell, UK Karine Perset ICANN Staff: Marika Konings Olof Nordling Julia Charvolen Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Public archives of the mailing list can be found at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/ Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Chat transcript:

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Re: [Gac-gnso-cg] MP3 recording GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference Tuesday 18 November 2014 1400 UTC
by Winterfeldt, Brian J. Dec. 2, 2014

Dec. 2, 2014

Dear All, I want to take this opportunity to share a few thoughts on our ongoing discussions. I agree that we cannot and should not continue to discuss early engagement in the abstract only. In addition, I agree that there is room for the GNSO to take on a more proactive role in early engagement of the GAC. A clearly defined set of triggers on the GNSO side is certainly a possibility. While it is true that the GNSO would not want to decide for the GAC in all cases whether an issue is deserving of the GAC's attention, there will most certainly be instances where the GNSO might know upfront that GAC input would be necessary, such as issues on which the GAC has provided advice in the past and issues that unambiguously relate to treaties or national laws. By way of example, discussion arose during the November 13, 2014 GNSO Council meeting concerning the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms PDP Working Group Letter sent to Mason as GNSO Liaison to GAC. In the letter, the WG is proactively seeking Mason's assistance in engaging the GAC on certain issues raised by the GAC's Los Angeles Communiqué, namely, discrepancies between the GAC advice and the directives contained in the Working Group Charter. As I understand it, Mason is awaiting further instruction on how to proceed. This seems to me to be a great opportunity to refine and test the mechanisms we have been discussing for engagement and collaboration between the GAC and GNSO. In addition, there is one item that we did not discuss during the call this week but that I believe we should revisit - a GAC point person to serve as Mason's counterpart for day-to-day coordination. I may know one or two people who may be interested. In terms of planning for Singapore, I think it would be beneficial to have a face-to-face meeting of this group, perhaps in an informal setting over lunch. We can invite other members of our constituent groups along in an effort to generate greater support for the work of the CG. In a smaller, interactive setting, we may be able pinpoint more precisely the type and amount of information necessary for effective collaboration. I would be happy to reach out to Glen offline to determine the feasibility of planning the lunch. Thank you in advance for your consideration. I welcome your feedback on the above items. Best regards, Brian Brian J. Winterfeldt Head of Internet Practice Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 2900 K Street NW, North Tower - Suite 200 / Washington, DC 20007-5118 p / (202) 625-3562 f / (202) 339-8244 575 Madison Avenue / New York, NY 10022-2585 p / (212) 940.6762 f / (212) 894.5585 brian.winterfeldt(a)kattenlaw.com<mailto:brian.winterfeldt@kattenlaw.com> / www.kattenlaw.com<http://www.kattenlaw.com/> ________________________________ From: gac-gnso-cg-bounces(a)icann.orgOn<mailto:gac-gnso-cg-bounces@icann.orgOn> Behalf OfTerri Agnew Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:34:26 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) To: gac-gnso-cg(a)icann.org<mailto:gac-gnso-cg@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [Gac-gnso-cg] MP3 recording GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference Tuesday 18 November 2014 1400 UTC Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC / GNSO Consultation Group teleconference held on Tuesday 18 November 2014 at 1400 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-20141118-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Government Advisory Committee Manal Ismail - co-chair - Egypt Ana Neves, Portugal GNSO Council Brian Winterfeldt, Councilor David Cake, Vice Chair GNSO Liaison to the GAC: Mason Cole Apology: Amr Elsadr, Councilor Suzanne Radell, US Avri Doria, Councillor Jonathan Robinson, Chair ICANN Staff: Marika Konings Olof Nordling Glen de Saint Gery Karine Perset Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Public archives of the mailing list can be found at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/ Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Adobe Chat transcript: Marika Konings:Welcome to the GAC-GNSO CG meeting of 18 November 2014 Nathalie Peregrine:Brian Winterfeldt has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:David cake has joined the call Ana Neves:sure Ana Neves:still listening... Marika Konings:See http://ccnso.icann.org/about/council/decisions.htm for ccNSO decisions Marika Konings:You can see here the recommendation from the triage committee and the action taken by the ccNSO Council Marika Konings:Quickly skimming through it, it looks like that in almost all (if not all) cases, the ccNSO Council has followed the recommendation of the triage committee Marika Konings:OK, will do Ana Neves:keep the momentum is the motto, indeed... 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Agenda for Tues. Dec. 2nd cc ..
by Manal Ismail Dec. 1, 2014

Dec. 1, 2014

Dear All .. Here is a suggested agenda for our upcoming call, on Tues. Dec. 2nd: 1. GAC counterpart to GNSO Liaison to the GAC 2. GAC Early engagement in new PDPs (discussion of the flow chart prepared by Marika, attached) 3. GAC-GNSO dialogue on ongoing topics (IGO/INGO as a pilot) 4. Fixing dates of upcoming calls (based on doodle results) 5. AoB Please let us know if you have any comments .. Kind Regards --Manal

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