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Survey extended to July 31st
by Glenn McKnight July 25, 2012

July 25, 2012

Hi All As reported in our last NARALO conference call we have had only 18 people who have fully completed the survey and the answers but we don't discernible pattern despite the statistical insignificant numbers. I asked Matt if we could have a banner ad on ICANN's main site with the hope that it may fetch some more attention. The survey has been extended until 31 July. The survey can be accessed via the following links: - NARALO-EN: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XPZ967N - NARALO-ES: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NYPM8L7 - NARALO-FR: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NY5XKQX Thanks Glenn -- Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight Http://www.globalcatalysts.com http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Conference Call Attendance!
by Carlton Samuels July 24, 2012

July 24, 2012

Hey Darlene: I'm following the discussion and just to contextualize your note, let not your heart be troubled. Instead, take pride in 10-14 people regularly - regularly! - on a telecon! This, from a 22-member RALO! To compare, my own RALO has 37 ALS. We set the quorum for a teleconference to a bottom feeding 8. And I can't tell you how many times we struggle to have a quorate telecon. You can well imagine how this works without an understand of what consensus decision-making means, in practice. ...and why this idea that my job - in a voluntary association! - ought to be akin that of a priest leaves me cold! - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 AM, <na-discuss-<na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:19:35 +0000 > From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? > To: Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com>, NA-Discuss Discuss > <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Hey Avri, > > We regular,y get 10 - 14 people on our conference calls. If you can > suggest a way to get more I would love to hear it! > > D > > Darlene A. Thompson > CAP Administrator > N-CAP/Department of Education > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > ________________________________________ > From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Avri Doria [ > avri(a)ella.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:36 PM > To: NA-Discuss Discuss > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? > > Hi, > > Doesn't this mean we really need to do outreach to the ALS that form the > RALO to make sure that at least those organizations that have heard of > ICANN and joined a RALO, are frequently invited into the discussion? And I > know it isn't easy. > > We seem to have 22 ALSes in NARALO. How many participate in meeting? in > votes? > > > avri > > > On 19 Jul 2012, at 14:01, Bob Bruen wrote: > >

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Call for volunteers - 'thick' Whois PDP Drafting Team
by At-Large Staff July 24, 2012

July 24, 2012

Call for Volunteers for Drafting Team to develop Charter for thick¹ Whois PDP WG Introduction At its meeting on 14 March 2012, the GNSO Council initiated a Policy Development Process (PDP) on thick¹ Whois (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions#20120314-1 <http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions#20120314-1> ). Following a short delay, the GNSO Council decided at its last meeting that a group of volunteers should now be convened to draft the charter for the PDP Working Group, which is to be approved by the GNSO Council. Task of the Drafting Team The Drafting Team will be tasked with developing a charter for the PDP Working Group on thick¹ Whois¹. The elements of the Charter should include, at a minimum, the following elements as specified in the GNSO Working Group Guidelines <http://gnso.icann.org/council/summary-gnso-wg-guidelines-06apr11-en.pdf> : Working Group identification; Mission, Purpose and Deliverables; Formation, Staffing and Organization, and; Rules of Engagement. The proposed charter will be submitted to the GNSO Council for its consideration. Volunteers If you are interested to participate, please send an email to the GNSO Secretariat (gnso.secretariat(a)gnso.icann.org <mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> ). You will be required to complete a Statement of Interest in order to participate. Background Information on the Issue For the generic top-level domain (gTLD) registries, ICANN specifies Whois service requirements through the registry agreements (ICANN 2009 Registry Agreements) and the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA). Registries satisfy their Whois obligations using different services. The two common models are often characterized as ³thin² and ³thick² Whois registries. This distinction is based on how two distinct sets of data are managed. One set of data is associated with the domain name, and a second set of data is associated with the registrant of the domain name. A thin registry only stores and manages the information associated with the domain name. This set includes data sufficient to identify the sponsoring registrar, status of the registration, creation and expiration dates for each registration, name server data, the last time the record was updated in its Whois data store, and the URL for the registrar¹s Whois service. With thin registries, Registrars manage the second set of data associated with the registrant of the domain and provide it via their own Whois services, as required by Section 3.3 of the RAA 3.3 for those domains they sponsor. COM and NET are examples of thin registries. Thick registries maintain and provide both sets of data (domain name and registrant) via Whois. INFO and BIZ are examples of thick registries. The GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on thick¹ Whois at its meeting on 22 September 2011 noting that the Issue Report should not only consider a possible requirement of 'thick' WHOIS for all incumbent gTLDs in the context of IRTP, but should also consider any other positive and/or negative effects that are likely to occur outside of IRTP that would need to be taken into account when deciding whether a requirement of 'thick' WHOIS for all incumbent gTLDs would be desirable or not¹. The Final Issue Report was submitted by ICANN Staff on 2 February 2012 (see http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois/final-report-thick-whois-02feb12-en.pdf <http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois/final-report-thick-whois-02feb12-en.pdf> ) and in this report a number of issues are outlined that will need further consideration should a PDP proceed. The staff recommendation notes that staff has confirmed that the proposed issues are within the scope of the ICANN policy process and the GNSO and notes that it is reasonable from the staff¹s perspective to expect that further investigation of thick¹ Whois for all gTLDs would be beneficial to the community generally, as it would allow for an informed decision by the GNSO Council as to whether thick¹ Whois for all gTLDs should be required or not. Recommended Reading for Volunteers * Final Issue Report on Thick¹ Whois (http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois/final-report-thick-whois-02feb12-en.pdf <http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois/final-report-thick-whois-02feb12-en.pdf> ) * GNSO Working Group Guidelines, including charter guidelines (http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf <http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf> ) *********** Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [NA-Discuss] NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 69, Issue 31, Another Statement of Interest
by Seth M Reiss July 23, 2012

July 23, 2012

Dear NARALO I would like to join Garth in running for the open chair position that has consumed so much debate of late. I represent one of the original ALS', the Intellectual Property and Technology Section of the Hawaii State Bar Association, and have since NARAOLO was first convened in Puerto Rico in June 2007. I have attended a handful of meeting since then including the At Large Summit held in Mexico City in 2008. I have served as one of ALAC's representative to the recently completed WhoIs Review Team. I am currently serving as an ALAC selected representative to the New GTLD Review Group. While I do not believe I have any conflicts of interest, I will disclose that I am a WIPO domain name dispute panelist for which I get paid approximately $1,000 two to three times a year. I am in private practice and represent individual and small businesses, and occasionally a large business, primarily in intellectual property and technology law related matters. If I were to serve you as your chair, my personal agenda would be to promote constructive communications within the group and between NARALO and other ICANN governance bodies. I am posting my statement of interest here as I understand there is no other page for this purpose. I would encourage others to join Garth and me in offering to play the important role of NARALO chair in furtherance of good ICAAN governance. Seth Reiss -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:11 PM To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 69, Issue 31 Send NA-Discuss mailing list submissions to na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at na-discuss-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NA-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Conference Call Attendance! (Carlton Samuels) 2. Re: Conference Call Attendance! (Avri Doria) 3. Re: Voting None of the Above Re: ? (Thompson, Darlene) 4. Re: Conference Call Attendance! (Thompson, Darlene) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:16:13 -0500 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Conference Call Attendance! To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Message-ID: <CAOZQb9QNGkS_Bb4NjQ9168jYT-6mEG4CqqMnfFbPNS=RCTLR6g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Darlene: I'm following the discussion and just to contextualize your note, let not your heart be troubled. Instead, take pride in 10-14 people regularly - regularly! - on a telecon! This, from a 22-member RALO! To compare, my own RALO has 37 ALS. We set the quorum for a teleconference to a bottom feeding 8. And I can't tell you how many times we struggle to have a quorate telecon. You can well imagine how this works without an understand of what consensus decision-making means, in practice. ...and why this idea that my job - in a voluntary association! - ought to be akin that of a priest leaves me cold! - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 AM, <na-discuss-<na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:19:35 +0000 > From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? > To: Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com>, NA-Discuss Discuss > <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Hey Avri, > > We regular,y get 10 - 14 people on our conference calls. If you can > suggest a way to get more I would love to hear it! > > D > > Darlene A. Thompson > CAP Administrator > N-CAP/Department of Education > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > ________________________________________ > From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Avri Doria [ > avri(a)ella.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:36 PM > To: NA-Discuss Discuss > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? > > Hi, > > Doesn't this mean we really need to do outreach to the ALS that form > the RALO to make sure that at least those organizations that have > heard of ICANN and joined a RALO, are frequently invited into the > discussion? And I know it isn't easy. > > We seem to have 22 ALSes in NARALO. How many participate in meeting? > in votes? > > > avri > > > On 19 Jul 2012, at 14:01, Bob Bruen wrote: > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:37:52 +0200 From: Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Conference Call Attendance! To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> Cc: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Message-ID: <33867721-2C28-4096-B378-F5EADA8A1463(a)ella.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi, I think that ratio is rather good. And I asked because I did not know. Carlton: I do not understand the reference to priests. But then again I do not understand the differentiation people are making between a job one does for money and one that one does as a volunteer. I always thought I need to bring the same level of devotion to both - if anything, perhaps even a bit more goes to the volunteer job because I am doing it because I think it is needed and I want to and not just because someone is giving me money. And no, please before anyone jumps at me defensively, this is not meant as either a VolunteerBash or a StaffBash*. avri * An aside: is it possibe to disagree with or criticise a member of ICANN staff without being accused of StaffBashing? On 22 Jul 2012, at 21:16, Carlton Samuels wrote: > Hey Darlene: > I'm following the discussion and just to contextualize your note, let > not your heart be troubled. Instead, take pride in 10-14 people > regularly - regularly! - on a telecon! This, from a 22-member RALO! > > To compare, my own RALO has 37 ALS. We set the quorum for a > teleconference to a bottom feeding 8. And I can't tell you how many > times we struggle to have a quorate telecon. > > You can well imagine how this works without an understand of what > consensus decision-making means, in practice. > > ...and why this idea that my job - in a voluntary association! - ought > to be akin that of a priest leaves me cold! > > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 AM, > <na-discuss-<na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:19:35 +0000 >> From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> >> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? >> To: Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com>, NA-Discuss Discuss >> <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> Hey Avri, >> >> We regular,y get 10 - 14 people on our conference calls. If you can >> suggest a way to get more I would love to hear it! >> >> D >> >> Darlene A. Thompson >> CAP Administrator >> N-CAP/Department of Education >> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 >> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >> Phone: (867) 975-5631 >> Fax: (867) 975-5610 >> dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >> ________________________________________ >> From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ >> na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Avri Doria [ >> avri(a)ella.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:36 PM >> To: NA-Discuss Discuss >> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? >> >> Hi, >> >> Doesn't this mean we really need to do outreach to the ALS that form >> the RALO to make sure that at least those organizations that have >> heard of ICANN and joined a RALO, are frequently invited into the >> discussion? And I know it isn't easy. >> >> We seem to have 22 ALSes in NARALO. How many participate in meeting? >> in votes? >> >> >> avri >> >> >> On 19 Jul 2012, at 14:01, Bob Bruen wrote: >> >> > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------ > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:45:28 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? To: Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy(a)gmail.com>, NA-Discuss Discuss <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Message-ID: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03E06AB2(a)IQALUITMX07.nunavut.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Keiren, I think that you have everything pretty much right but I think from what I've seen on the list is that rather than complaining for you to chip in - which I believe you are doing. I would like to hear from the group as to what people might want you to document first but I think that Garth gave one very good suggestion. D I would like to hear other's opinions on Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Kieren McCarthy [kierenmccarthy(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:35 PM To: NA-Discuss Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? I think it may be worth recapping what has happened in the past week (which is why I perhaps mistakenly started trying to engage again with NARALO). * The (former) chair sent an aggressive email to a member who said he was going to stand against him in the chair election. It was sent to the mailing list by mistake. * The secretariat complained on the same mailing list that she was being bullied by the chair * Chair and secretariat then publicly exchanged insults and formally complained to ICANN's Ombudsman. * The chair resigned. * A member (myself) asked some basic questions about the organization's outreach work. They were met aggressively by another elected representative, and then backed up by the secretariat. * There are four positions up for election and only one person is standing for each. Recruitment for more people to stand appears to have been confined to the same mailing list on which all the unpleasantries of the past week have played out. Sorry to be provocative but which of these positive achievements would you like me to document first? My basic point is: Physician, heal thyself. Kieren On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com < gbruen(a)knujon.com> wrote: > Yes, we need more of a front-facing presence but before we can > publicize and recruit we need to have purpose and define meaning. > Which is why I ask that the focus be placed on documenting positive achievements first. > > > ------------------------------**-------------------- > From: "Kieren McCarthy" <kierenmccarthy(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:36 AM > > To: "NA-Discuss Discuss" > <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.**icann.org<na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.o > rg> > > > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss]Voting None of the Above Re: ? > > Hi Garth, all >> >> So here's the thing. If elected to a key post in a grassroots >> organization, being asked questions like: how many members do you >> have, how many subscribers, what level of engagement -- should be an >> opportunity to demonstrate effectiveness (especially when seeking >> re-election) and the answers should be immediately accessible. >> >> If asked about a Facebook page, or a Twitter account, or a report of >> the recent meeting which is the organization's entire reason for >> existing, then the answers should already be known and easily >> provided, perhaps with a certain amount of pride. >> >> This basic level of commitment by elected representatives is the >> foundation on which other things can be built. If there is such a >> foundation and if questions from members are seen as a positive and >> useful form of engagement, then you will find that not only I but a >> lot of other people would be willing to help out, to do work (without >> insisting on being paid for it), and to promote the organization. >> >> >> Kieren >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com < >> gbruen(a)knujon.com> wrote: >> >> Kieren, I think your critique of what needs to be done is correct >> but >>> there is difference between saying "this must be done by you" and >>> "this must be done and I will do this part of it" among a group of volunteers. >>> >>> We're all aware of the weak volume of participation, and this can be >>> fixed. >>> >>> What can't be denied is the quality of participation. The expertise >>> and dedication among this group is remarkable. Before joining >>> At-Large I was running my volunteer effort with success in specific >>> areas. But since working with At-Large that success has improved and >>> I've had the honor of helping others within the group with various efforts. >>> >>> We've made positive policy changes and gotten the attention of the >>> board, staff and "others." Registrars regularly lurk on this thread >>> along with anonymous (NON)At-Large support ICANN staff. That's >>> pretty shocking and wouldn't happen if we were not having an impact. >>> No one inside the inner circle would care what we said otherwise. >>> >>> If you can use your far-reaching voice to highlight the success of >>> this group it would help get new interest and support for existing >>> initiatives. >>> Interview some members and document what they do, so then readers >>> will see how their Internet problems could also be addressed. >>> >>> -Garth >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------****-------------------- >>> >>> From: "Kieren McCarthy" <kierenmccarthy(a)gmail.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:40 AM >>> To: "NA-Discuss Discuss" >>> <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.**ic**ann.org<http://icann.org> >>> <na-discuss(a)atlarge-**lists.icann.org<na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann >>> .org> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? >>> >>> Well I think you've both just answered the question as to why there >>> are >>> >>>> so few people engaged in NARALO. >>>> >>>> Kieren >>>> >>>> [from mobile device] >>>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:50 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" >>>> <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Very well said. >>>>> >>>>> D >>>>> >>>>> Darlene A. Thompson >>>>> CAP Administrator >>>>> N-CAP/Department of Education >>>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 >>>>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 >>>>> Phone: (867) 975-5631 >>>>> Fax: (867) 975-5610 >>>>> dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca >>>>> ______________________________****__________ >>>>> From: >>>>> na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-**l**ists.icann.org<http://lists.icann. >>>>> org> >>>>> <na-discuss-**bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.**org<na-discuss-bounces >>>>> @atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> >[ >>>>> na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-**l**ists.icann.org<http://lists.icann. >>>>> org> >>>>> <na-discuss-**bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.**org<na-discuss-bounces >>>>> @atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> >] >>>>> >>>>> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch [evan(a)telly.org] >>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 2:20 AM >>>>> To: Kieren McCarthy >>>>> Cc: NA-Discuss Discuss >>>>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? >>>>> >>>>> On 19 July 2012 12:39, Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *At the risk at getting embroiled in pointless name-calling, John >>>>> I think >>>>> >>>>> you are demonstrating precisely the mindset that is behind the >>>>> reason >>>>>> that >>>>>> only one person is standing for each of the four positions.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kieren, you *are* getting embrolied in pointless name calling. >>>>> >>>>> Funny that you suddenly seem so interested in At-Large issues when >>>>> it comes to our internals. We've been active in promoting >>>>> end-user sensibilities in WHOIS, gTLD, trademark, >>>>> internationalization and other issues. I've personally been trying >>>>> -- practically begging, since before Prague -- to get you to even >>>>> LOOK at the R3 white paper At-Large has produced, an >>>>> broadly-crafted attempt to make ICANN more representative of (and >>>>> accountable to) the world at large. You've been WAY too busy for that. >>>>> But >>>>> not too busy to gawk at an unfortunate personal issue, and pass >>>>> judgement on a consensus process that seems to work for most. Like >>>>> most decision-making systems, it's imperfect. But it does result >>>>> in NARALO members' initiating more than its share of ALAC policy >>>>> initiatives, and still being the one of the only regions with a >>>>> formal acceptance of participants who aren't part of an ALS. >>>>> >>>>> And yet... Rather than focus on the substance of what we're >>>>> actually trying to say -- which you have completely ignored to >>>>> date -- you seek to dwell on the "what gives you the right to say >>>>> it?" approach. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry there wasn't any tabloid fodder for you on Monday (the first >>>>> NARALO call you've attended ... ever?). No meltdown. Not even >>>>> raised voices. >>>>> Just >>>>> talk about policy, planning for the Toronto meeting, and ensuring >>>>> the everyone who had something to say on our internal issues was >>>>> heard, Smoothly run and ended on time. But judging from your >>>>> takeaway comments, Plan B appears to be focusing on why At-Large >>>>> doesn't function more like Amway. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *So here are some questions:* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Really? REALLY? >>>>> Are you really asking volunteers to provide the research that you will >>>>> then >>>>> turn around and sell to others? >>>>> And then complain that we don't have enough time for <insert your pet >>>>> issue >>>>> here>? >>>>> >>>>> If your questions are intended to discover holes in ICANN's At-Large >>>>> outreach strategies, you'll have an easy time of it once you do the >>>>> research. If your intentions are indeed constructive, you're welcome to >>>>> join us in advocating At-Large growth through anywhere near the kind of >>>>> resources that ICANN expends to grow its pool of registrars and TLDs. >>>>> But >>>>> the tone just appears as building a case for diverting our limited >>>>> volunteer resources away from understanding and shaping the ICANN >>>>> labyrinth, and towards recruitment. No thanks. >>>>> >>>>> My ALS (and a number of others) was discovered and brought in by Jacob >>>>> Malthouse, an ICANN staffer whose job it was to go out and engage >>>>> members >>>>> of the public who'd never heard of ICANN -- let alone cared about it -- >>>>> and >>>>> convince them to get them involved. Jacob's job was difficult; too bad >>>>> you >>>>> can't ask him about it because his position no longer exists, so it's >>>>> no >>>>> surprise the job isn't being done anymore. NARALO has made proposals to >>>>> duplicate this task using volunteers instead of staff, but our request >>>>> to >>>>> get even basic expenses covered for this project has been turned down >>>>> for >>>>> two (or it it three?) years in a row. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *These are basic questions, basic steps for a grassroots organization. >>>>> >>>>> And they all cost $0.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How sad that you consider volunteer time to be worthless. Mine isn't. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Evan >>>>> ------ >>>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.**ica**nn.org <http://icann.org>< >>>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-**lists.icann.org<NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>>> > >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.****org/mailman/listinfo/na-****discuss< >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.**icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-**discuss<https://atla rge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------ >>>> NA-Discuss mailing list >>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.**ica**nn.org <http://icann.org> < >>>> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.**icann.org<NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>>> > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.****org/mailman/listinfo/na-****discuss< >>>> https://atlarge-lists.**icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-**discuss<https://atla rge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------ >> NA-Discuss mailing list >> NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.**icann.org <NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.**org/mailman/listinfo/na-**discuss<https://atla rge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss> >> >> Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org >> ------ >> >> ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:09:29 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Conference Call Attendance! To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com>, "na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Message-ID: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03E06B11(a)IQALUITMX07.nunavut.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Carlon! I thought our stats were pretty good, myself. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:16 PM To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Conference Call Attendance! Hey Darlene: I'm following the discussion and just to contextualize your note, let not your heart be troubled. Instead, take pride in 10-14 people regularly - regularly! - on a telecon! This, from a 22-member RALO! To compare, my own RALO has 37 ALS. We set the quorum for a teleconference to a bottom feeding 8. And I can't tell you how many times we struggle to have a quorate telecon. You can well imagine how this works without an understand of what consensus decision-making means, in practice. ...and why this idea that my job - in a voluntary association! - ought to be akin that of a priest leaves me cold! - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 AM, <na-discuss-<na-discuss-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:19:35 +0000 > From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1(a)GOV.NU.CA> > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? > To: Avri Doria <avri(a)ella.com>, NA-Discuss Discuss > <na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Hey Avri, > > We regular,y get 10 - 14 people on our conference calls. If you can > suggest a way to get more I would love to hear it! > > D > > Darlene A. Thompson > CAP Administrator > N-CAP/Department of Education > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > dthompson(a)gov.nu.ca > ________________________________________ > From: na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > na-discuss-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Avri Doria [ > avri(a)ella.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:36 PM > To: NA-Discuss Discuss > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? > > Hi, > > Doesn't this mean we really need to do outreach to the ALS that form the > RALO to make sure that at least those organizations that have heard of > ICANN and joined a RALO, are frequently invited into the discussion? And I > know it isn't easy. > > We seem to have 22 ALSes in NARALO. How many participate in meeting? in > votes? > > > avri > > > On 19 Jul 2012, at 14:01, Bob Bruen wrote: > > ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss End of NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 69, Issue 31 ****************************************** ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5147 - Release Date: 07/22/12

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Voting None of the Above Re: …
by Avri Doria July 22, 2012

July 22, 2012

On 15 Jul 2012, at 14:07, Alan Greenberg wrote: > At this point, unless I missed something, we have just one volunteer for the position starting at the end of the AGM, so if that does not change, the past practice would be to acclaim the winner. I Presume there will be a discussion this Monday on whether to try to formally fill the position in the interim, or follow a more ad hoc process. Although I don't have a vote, and could not even make the last meeting, and thus really have no standing in this topic, I have to say that I would not be able to vote in an election where there was just a single candidate for an office without such an option - and will recommend to the voter in my ALS that he not do so. Now others have offered that this is a reasonable option, but I disagree, as that removes someones ability to vote. If the only way I can vote no is to not vote, my vote has been removed. Aside: Even on local elections, if there is only one candidate, I write in "None of the above." because I beleive that having a choice is more important in the democratic process than any particular choice If people hate the idea of a none of the above option, perhaps we need a write in option. As for the vote versus the consensus, i think this favors the few who actually attend the meeting and does not draw in the rest of the membership. While I think picking an interim chair by consensus of those present is an OK thing, I really think that voting is necessary for leadership positions - otherwise it is always the active few that makes the decisions - shutting out the rest of the membership. No wonder they don't really care about what goes on - it is a 'make the meetings or else' world. One of the major accusations people have about ICANN politics is that it is all done by self-selected cliques. This feeds into that mentality. avri

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Withdrawal for Nomination for Secretariat
by Glenn McKnight July 20, 2012

July 20, 2012

Hi All I am formally withdrawing from the self-nomination for NARALO Secretary but I will self nominate myself again for NOMCOM. As I mentioned in passing the NomCom process has been quite challenging this round due a host of reasons that I am not able to disclose. It's critical that the NomCom members understand that ALAC is important in the Stakeholder model and our voice has the community interest at heart and as the NARALO member I have made extra efforts to educate the various members and ALAC members too that we need to project a professional image and presence in the decision making process. A couple of weeks ago this would not be my choice but upon reflection I think my contribution is important to keep the balance. Thanks for the support Glenn -- Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight Http://www.globalcatalysts.com http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com

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To all - this situation
by Garth Bruen at Knujon.com July 20, 2012

July 20, 2012

If this has indeed gone to legal/ombudsman there should be NO FURTHER discussion of it here. This of course includes the two parties but anyone else in NARALO commenting on it or attaching the history to replies. I would encourage everyone to not feed speculation and let the appropriate mechanisms address it.

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Reminder / WEBINAR - SSAC 54 Report on the Domain Name Registration Data Model
by At-Large Staff July 19, 2012

July 19, 2012

PLEASE CONFIRM DIAL-OUT REQUESTS to At-Large staff at:staff@atlarge.icann.org. Dear All, Further to the Doodle poll, the Webinar on the SSAC 54 Report on the Domain Name Registration Data Model is scheduled on Friday 20 July 2012 at 19:00 UTC. This Webinar is aimed at explaining the report to enable more informed input into the draft ALAC statement <https://community.icann.org/x/4RIQAg> . For other times: http://tinyurl.com/ch9tcqo The draft agenda and call details are available at: https://community.icann.org/x/FBYQAg Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/ssac54/ This call will be held in English and Spanish. If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at:staff@atlarge.icann.org. Thank you. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org On 17/07/2012 13:27, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > Dear All, > > The At-Large community is invited to join a Webinar on the SSAC 54 Report > on > the Domain Name Registration Data Model. This Webinar is aimed at > explaining > the report to enable more informed input into the draft ALAC statement > <https://community.icann.org/x/4RIQAg> . > > Please complete the attached Doodle poll to find a suitable date: > > http://www.doodle.com/mg99eh6kmgeghwvp > > If you require interpretation for this call, please note the language next > to your name on the Doodle poll - example: "name" + (ES) or > (FR).Interpretation will only be provided if there is sufficient demand. > > This Doodle poll will close on Tuesday 17 July 2012 at 20:00 UTC; date and > time will be confirmed shortly thereafter as well as interpretation. > > Thank you. > Regards, > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie > Peregrine > ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------ >

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: …
by John R. Levine July 19, 2012

July 19, 2012

>> With a $0 budget. Get real. > That's incorrect. It is not a $0 budget. You're right, it's a $0 budget for the RALO members. The ALAC is valuable to ICANN to provide the impression that it is less captured by contracted parties than it is. If ICANN thinks it's in its interest to have more organizations join the NARALO, ICANN should spend its money to recruit them, which to a modest extent it does. It is definitely not the job of the existing members to spend our time and money to go find more suckers^Whighly engaged organizations. R's, John

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Re: [NA-Discuss] Withdrawal of nomination for Secretariat - and NomCom Renewal Glenn McKnight
by Carlton Samuels July 18, 2012

July 18, 2012

This is a recommendation to the ALAC that I would be happy to support when the time comes. On top of his other skills in use for our community, Glenn is definitely an asset to the At-Large on NomCom. It makes good sense to keep him working for all of us. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:16:02 -0400 > From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [NA-Discuss] Withdrawal for Nomination for Secretariat > To: na-discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Hi All > I am formally withdrawing from the self-nomination for NARALO Secretary > but I will self nominate myself again for NOMCOM. > > As I mentioned in passing the NomCom process has been quite challenging > this round due a host of reasons that I am not able to disclose. It's > critical that the NomCom members understand that ALAC is important in the > Stakeholder model and our voice has the community interest at heart and as > the NARALO member I have made extra efforts to educate the various members > and ALAC members too that we need to project a professional image and > presence in the decision making process. A couple of weeks ago this would > not be my choice but upon reflection I think my contribution is important > to keep the balance. > > Thanks for the support > > Glenn > > -- > Glenn McKnight > mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com > skype gmcknight > twitter gmcknight > Http://www.globalcatalysts.com > http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com > > > ------------------------------ > > >

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